The Return Of Subtle Cheaters... (feat. Ayrun) 

Have you experienced anything recently in your games?

Cheaters are the biggest losers on the planet.

It's always so strange to see a survivor move just a *little* too quickly, but still question whether or not they're cheating.

I love how easily you obliterated his friends at the end trying to save him, you could have easily beat them at the end if you weren't more curious about him cheating.

Holy fuck a flick brother at 6:28

The worst about facing subtle cheaters is questioning yourself and that you might be doing something wrong, especially when you see hope or spring burst

I can understand if they win a bunch of 50/50s, but bro matched your speed. Like what. And you were running every loop tight and efficient.

I really liked how Spooky brought in a survivor main buddy of his to duplicate the chases and *really* showed how the chases should’ve gone had the cheating not been present. Very well presented and said by both parties.

If you look carefully, you saw his model disappear for like half a frame going around corners and he'd suddenly be further away. It was like an auto speed boost when out of sight

That you couldn't catch him while using both haste addons after hatchet hits + Batteries Included makes it super obvious

Oh yea that player was cheating. Right from the start as you enter killer shack. Played it off smart to not show it but you could see it.

The ENTIRE rock chase is so suspicious. I swear to god at one point you can literally see him speed up on camera. 4:36 ish.

BRO there's no way! The beginning a shack?! That was pretty sussy

That very first survivor was INSANELY obvious and I don't even play the game. Just from what I've watched, with no doubt, if you were at 115% speed there for any amount of time? He should have been caught with a vanilla melee, much less a throw. The fact that he did a full lap and made that window in time after dodging the throw? Physically impossible, straight-up.

I was survivor in a match against what I think was a Pig on chapel map (I'm in no way high MMR) and I had basically been the weaker person on my team. I saw pig entering chases on the HUD but i never saw her injure any of the other survivors, so she effectively tunneled me the whole game since I was the only one she could even injure in chase. I got downed right at end game on death hook and my team was trying to get me up and also cleanse noed. I was playing with a Kate, Nea, and Mikaeyla. The Kate was making no noise at all and I just felt like she moved fast. The Kate ended up getting downed right before noed was cleansed (Doors were open and the timer maybe had 30 seconds left, both doors were across the map, the rest of us were injured.) I started running to a door and see the other survivors running to the other door. I can see Kate laying on the ground, and the HUD showed her recovering in chunks of time rather than progressively getting full, then I watch her on the ground teleport to the middle of the map and then out the exit gate. The other survivors were on console but me and the killer were on PC. I asked the killer in chat if their game was glitching and said that I saw the Kate teleport out the door. They said that they tried multiple times to go for the other survivors and said that they would be right on the Nea's ass only to round a corner and see her make huge distance, nowhere near enough time to use sprint burst or lithe - recover - then use it again. They said the only reason they tunneled me was to see if I was SWFing with them and try to force them to expose their cheats, which Kate ended up doing. I have played enough and had maybe a handful of killer's cheat but never really noticed it when playing with survivors (I main survivor and am not good enough at killer to telling when a survivor is subtle cheating.) But I already find killer to be super stressful and can't imagine how infuriating and confusing it would be to play against subtle cheaters. I also noticed a lot of tik tok streams and yt videos of people advertising cheating pop up more and more. I saw it once but then I started to notice multiple popping up daily, and BHVR straight up tells you that you can only report in game cheats from your matches, and they can't/won't investigate cheats reported outside of that.

Ayrun is the go-to survivor professional. I think he throws chases sometimes just to make things interesting lol. I honestly think he could go 90% of his matches untouched. Would be interesting to see him play a "no perk" streak, playing at 100% Ayrun capacity. @SpookyLoopz, you're not crazy, Killer is muscle memory to you at this point. Just like uncanny valley, it's apparent when something is "a little off."

I think the worst thing about these cheaters is that even after being shitty enough to use cheats, they're still some of the most toxic POS's post game.

I can't count how many times I'm like "Are they faster or am I trying to blame something else for losing the chase?" lol. The uncertainty is what drives me nuts.

100 percent cheating. You were 120 with bloodlust and couldn't catch up 🤣

You still played extremely well against those cheaters/cheater, especially with the flick at the side of the house 6:28

That's so cute, it had a vibe of: Aaron, dude, tell me: am I an old man or is thus guy cheating? How do you kids do this?!

Over the past two weeks I’ve gone against 10 cheaters, 9 subtle cheaters and 1 blatant cheater who also has attacked people and their IP. It’s scary how many cheaters are in the game now and my biggest advice for people who think people are cheating is make a situation where they have to BLATANTLY cheat or do what spooky did and review your own game. Hope everyone stays safe from cheaters

As a killer main, this is so validating. As Wraith, I played a game against a P100 Ash who, on death hook, I couldn't catch for the last 5 mins of the game.

I was pretty sure with that shack chase but what cinched it for me was when you chased him at main and he rounded the corner into the house. He so clearly sped up right there.

faced a claudette who was moving like 120% speed and thought i wouldn't notice it.

I think Coconuts RTS pointed it out. Adding perks to the game that semi simulate subtle cheating was a pretty dumb idea. Since it ultimately let them hide the fact ever so slightly, that if you aren't paying attention you miss it or just assume something. Sad to see them returning, but it isn't anything new. The ban hammer just wards them off for a while, but they always come back

I also had an encounter with a cheater liek two weeks ago, i was playing billy and i hit some really great curves, and then the guy started hardcore cheating, becasue he thought i was also hacking (idk if there are hacks to curve better, thats what he said i was using), but i still managed to kill him, so he just tped out, send the recording to bhvr and now hes banned, now i can brag that my billy is better than cheaters (kind of, he still got out but not in a legit way)

It’s crazy how the average survivor would never be able to actually catch onto these sorts of subtle cheats, it only takes some of the way more experienced and hardened players who can recognise shady play styles and unusual situations like these 💀

Before he got the hit tanked on this pallet at around 4:30 he was 100% faster than you around the loop - you literally close 0 distance its very obvious hes toggled there

that chase 4:25 was what sealed the deal for me. after you landed the hatchet you get your addon speed plus you get batteries included. and after he greeds the pallet it looks like he definitely speeds up 4:35 . and then the speedup before the window at 6:49

I can be bad as survivor but can you imagine being this kind of loser? Can you imagine have this mindset? I can't. Cheaters are in a whole other level of low

Hello Mr. Loopz, I browsed through your RU-vid video catalog and couldn’t help but notice you have just 1 video of The Artist. She’s a great “A-tier” killer and I think it would be a blast to watch you play different builds with her. Thank you for your entertaining content!

kind of insane that the entire team was desperately trying to save him too, clearly complicit

I love how you brought Ayrun in the analyze and investigate lmaoo

It was obvious at shack when you threw a hatchet by the hook. Your throw was based off pure muscle memory of knowing he either gets hit or goes wide, and then you saw him already around the corner and the hatchet blow up on the hook. Your face said it all right then and there

That was PERSONAL 😂 6:28

Most annoying cheater interaction has to be that lagswitch forced server disconnect vulnerability

the amount of times this happened to me and just thought i was bad dude...

4:26 the way he ran a whole lap around the rock and almost overtook you as soon as he's behind cover 😂

6:28 Dude , that was nasty . He was so casual with it like “yeah i do this on a daily”

I’ve had a few games where stuff like this happens but I end up doubting myself more often than not.

Dude, I had a cheater in my game a few years ago while playing on Lerys and I was chasing a survivor as trapper and this guy looped me for 5 gens without getting hit. He always had a perfect distance and I never seemed to catch up even when we ran out of pallets. Never looked back or held check spots and no one was near by and this was before nft and when I checked his perks I didn't even see bloodpack. I was so confused, but what made it worse was he was paired with a ttv, but he wasn't live. I was confused af but I still think about it to this day and sometimes it pulls me away from the game to hesitate and think alot of people are cheating. I'm not saying I'm perfect because I've definitely been ran before for 5 gens (because of great teamwork and body blocks), but there is no way in hell I didn't get a hit in.

That Aryun stuff was so informative. This was such a great video and showing of cheaters

I love how ayrun coached you in the ways of survivor so you know what to look for and he even taught you a tech for infinite shack looping.

Ayrun's explanations are so helpful!😊

yeah, I got one the other day playing Myers made sure to tombstone him first so he couldnt have any fun. loser unironically waited the whole match just to try and defend the fact he wasn't cheating in the endgame chat.

so my favorite part of this is during the figure 8 segment you just see him zooming like quadruple time. I remember seeing this stream and noticing it a little but this time it just stuck out so bad. Also from the Ayrun portion, that check point portion literally has made me last significantly longer in chases it's kind of silly. So thanks to him for that piece.

I love the Dbd streaming community, like so many of you know each other and have such a great and fun to watch and helpfull relationship

Jesus, I know that most of the time a teammate won't realize that someone is cheating, but it always pisses me off more when the team is HELPING the cheater than just dealing with the cheater by themselves. But yeah, I've been running into cheaters, too, most noticeably for me being wall hacks against my Sadako. Choy did a video just a little bit ago saying that, currently, we're going to be seeing an influx of hackers start coming into the game, and I believe him. Hopefully BHVR's banwave comes sooner this time then it did last time DbD had a cheater epidemic.

You cant believe how much i appreciate big streamers doing subtle cheating showcase. These psycho gaslighters ruin so many games for m1 folk.

The tell for me for these kinds of cheaters is the no-hesitation always correct looping decisions, never stopping at check spots, and the general inability to catch up to them.

I just love how Ayrun knows everything about the game

I think walls for sure because of the slow vault inside as you were at the “most committed” place entering the house. To play devil’s advocate, around 1:29 it sounds like you lose chase and it’s mixed up in the alert sounds. During the 4:35 rock loop Batteries Included was more off than on. It only seemed to “blink” on around the pallet. You and Ayrun are DbD vets, I trust your judgement and appreciate the measured approach going into this.

I used to be a killer main, but I've gotten so many cheaters that I've just given up. BeHaviour needs to fix their crappy anti-cheat.

4:30 bro was chasing you for a hot second 😂

So at 7:35 you can clearly see him pick up speed as he goes around the corner. He zips for a very brief moment. So he breaks LoS and starts using his speed hack but he did it too soon at that moment.

I usually play survivor and the subtle killer cheaters are becoming more frequent as well. Nothing more obvious then when running Distortion and yet they somehow know exactly where I am. Some will run revealing perks and use that as an excuse, even when I still have active tokens. And the solo Q survivors that cheat do it more blatantly, it's fucking sad that this shit keeps going on.

6:30 was some 200IQ move. Guy didn't see that coming lmao

That flick on Renato at the house was INSANE my dude

Im convinced on the speed but im also sure he was running a wall hack or something that always let him see your aura. How tight he played your double backs on the shack at the end just doesnt seem possible otherwise.

Ayrun is an amazing content creator and is a huge part of the dbd community. love seeing these two legends to the game collab‼️‼️

I remember watching this live and everyone going wild 😂

A sable had me losing my mind the other night. I got her in back to back matches where the same strange things happened twice. She seemed to be using sprint burst which I tried to put down to animation bugs, seemed to be far too fast and seemed to know exactly how to loop me most of the time. It was very similar to your match. When I saw it happening twice in a row, I knew they were cheating.

That hatchet shot round 6:30 was pretty smooth my dude!

3:54 I choked while eating and coughed so bad I woke up my roommates 😂

It was the loop at around 4:25 that sealed it for me- he lapped you around the bush-rock thing. Like nearly 100% looped you to the point that he would have been chasing you .

The flick on him after nea picked him up was BUTTER

This happened a month or two ago now. I was playing as the unknown in Hawkins lab. And this survivor who i would leave cross map, would suddenly show up right in front of me while chasing someone. And they never stayed down, even with no one around to pick them up. They would also heavily lag my game

6:27 spooky you can’t be that vicious with the axes

Love the video and what you showed. This is sadly the reason why I left DBD months ago and won't come back until BHVR does something about this. I've really enjoyed the game but the toxic cheaters is just not worth it anymore. Plenty of other fun games to play instead.

the Renato is running a lunar new year box, but since they skipped lunar new year this year, that toolbox has never been in his bloodweb on Renato so pretty obv save file cheats which usually come hand in hand with other cheats.

you're both my favorite dbd streamers! love the collab

Looking at the blood patterns at shack, he definitely was hitting some sort of speed boost where you turn the corner and see the hook. @1:18 you can see where his blood picks back up after he boosted.

I'm finding myself asking "why's this guy so fast?" a bit more in dbd lately lol

Noticed a couple killers lately were i thought .. Damn he caught up quick has to be rapid brutality or save the best ... but nope . Also quiet a few billys running around with silent saws but no muffler add on . Btw love ayrun throwing that survivor tutorial out there

The review with Ayrun was extra helpful

I love that people have been so brainrotted by "they're not cheating you're just bad" that they can have 10,000 hours in a game, see a guy run at 115% speed and still be like "Hmmm, I'm not sure, maybe they added something to the game that makes this kind of speed possible". Like it's somehow become an entire genre of content for DBD to look at people gliding across the floor and being like "hmmm, but was he actually cheating though"

The quickest way to get a survivor on the shack (Even with the pallet up) is to double window jump and unless they mained loop-cheese you'll often catch them running back to the window.

“Bloodlust management” good god I really don’t know this game like the pro players

That was actually informative too lol. I didn't know that about bloodlust and ive been playing killer for 1k hours lol

i've been dealing with these kind of mfs like almost every match, theres always that 1 guy who gains so much distance when vision is blocked

I had this happen with Chucky on Midwitch, a map that the survivors chose. I thought I was losing my mind, because for 5 gens I couldn't catch up. It was like 2 weeks since I played Chucky last and instead of calling out on certain players, I thought I got rusty. Seeing this made sense why they chose Midwitch and it's not just that one match, it feels like every other match I get subtle cheaters. I just started playing killers again thinking I could skill up, but I ended up quitting DBD completley after the Tome was over. Luckly the next tome characters aren't the ones I'm interested in, so this decision is easy, but I'm just losing the will to play at this point. How can I learn playing killers when I can't even do an estimation of what is viable as my next move, when one match I'm playing ok and next I get dominated, because I can't even guess at this point is it my skill or is someone cheating? I feel like DBD is turning me intentionally into THOSE players who always complain, yet I cannot deny I am right nor wrong. So instead of turning into THAT player, I'd rather stop contributing to DBD as a whole.

I know this video was about subtle cheaters, but Ayrun’s shack trick at the end was so great to learn! Will be implementing that in my games now lol

This happened to me on swamp vs a claudette as Pyramid Head. They had walls and movement speed , I chased them for 2 minutes around the top floor of main. I seen them once .... only blood trails after the first hit. Think they had perma quick and quiet as well...They even had the audacity to give me the 4k in the end and said "check your corners" 😂😂

Happened to me the other day. I was at bloodlust tier 3 and couldn’t catch up even though she was running in a straight line. It sucks when they’re all toxic and calling you stupid with their friends in the chat and make u question if your just bad.

Ran into someone with walls yesterday, we were on opposite sides of shed as Onryo and they still knew which way I was moving.

And Meanwhile, your chat helps with the gaslighting 4:13 lol

On occasion it feels like some survivors seem to take longer to catch up to than they should

3:55 Interesting specimen. The Renato was in my live stream today.

Normalize exposing cheaters and letting anyone who runs into them know to report them

Running a haste build and seeing a survivor speed away is the funniest way to catch a cheater XD

I have many instances where survs are faster than normal when I play killer and I'm like that's sus, and I've had my own fair as a surv too, like insta save from killer after doing 2 skillchecks.

I have seen a lot more when playing survivor at night. A random Ada with no sprint burst running at 200% to sabo hooks, a Dwight instantly escaping after the killer hits him on endgame,etc.

I was back revving with 3 stack PWYF Bubba and this speed hacker made sooo much distance while everyone else just got melted lol

3:40 ish you can tell there's some 105% action happening. Very upsetting, luv u spooky❤

That bonus at the end was super interesting

well the idea to test it is great! try to use same killer with same perks next time.

Great video! Just subscribed!

I once ran into someone who had hope and they were going hope speed all game. And then tried to call me out for aimbotting even though I couldn't hit them all game because of their cheats

It's so bad it feels like there's at least one every other match