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The Richard Bushman Interview 

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This week's guest is Richard Bushman, who is simply one of the most important scholarly voices ever in the Latter-day Saint tradition.
Of course, Richard has been interviewed many times over the years, and we wanted to make sure that we covered new ground while asking for his perspective on some of the questions that have propelled and perplexed us throughout our faith journey.
So in this very wide-ranging conversation, Richard spoke about his own early journey from agnosticism to faith; why learning history, and learning from history, are so important; the revelatory process, including his experience giving many patriarchal blessings; the legacy of Rough Stone Rolling, and even why he wants to live in a world where there could be such a thing as gold plates.
Richard received his AM, AB, and PhD in the history of American civilization from Harvard University. Through the years he has taught at Harvard, BYU, Boston University, the University of Delaware, and Columbia. He married his wife, Claudia Lauper Bushman, in August 1955, and together they have four sons and two daughters. He’s written many books, including, of course, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling, which has been called “the crowning achievement of the new Mormon history.” Richard served a mission New England and Atlantic Canada, and his Church callings over the years include seminary teacher, bishop, stake president, and stake patriarch.
Richard is also the co-founder and Chairman of Center for Latter-day Saint Arts, a project that is incredibly important to him; you’ll hear him discuss in the episode why he believes that art is the next frontier for the Church, and why he’s so excited about what’s to come. The Center will be having a large festival in 2024; to stay up to date with that project or to donate, head to centerforlatterdaysaintarts.org.

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@carolarmga544
@carolarmga544 Год назад
Thank you Richard Bushman. You are a beacon of hope to me. I suffer from the curse of curiosity. I search for the real truth. I am grateful for your willingness to create a path of finding what is true. When I suggested in a Gospel Doctrine discussion that we move away from teaching our children to say "I know the Church is true", I felt an emotional stoning. It is hard to be an outlier. But I love the Savior and His Father and that holds me.
@michaelmulcady8717
@michaelmulcady8717 Год назад
1. Not sure that we need to use Brother Bushman as the "standard" for how we express testimony. I rather doubt he would ask us to do that. His journey is his, not ours. His manner of expression is his, not ours. 2. Testimony is a witness, and must be honest and real. Do we know something or not. If we do, then be bold to say it. If not, don't say it. 3. We might be careful not to encourage children or anyone to just "say" things. That is why the church counsels parents not to whisper words for a child to repeat in a testimony meeting or even Primary. 4. Brother Bushman is an exceptional disciple/scholar, however, I suspect he would encourage us to express that Christ is our beacon, and to be wise in follwowing the counsel of living Prophets & Apostles. We appreciate our increasing wealth of scholarship in the church, but as Elder Maxwell would advise, discipleship should prevail, and Brother Bushman asserts the same early in this interview.
@carolarmga544
@carolarmga544 Год назад
@@michaelmulcady8717 Thank you Brother Mulcady. I humbly bow to your superior insight and wording.
@michaelmulcady8717
@michaelmulcady8717 Год назад
@@carolarmga544 🤣hardly, and that is the issue, to avoid modern day "Priestcraft". Richard is just the opposite. Humble, self aware, and teachable.
@nextooperfect
@nextooperfect Год назад
My son and I and others use the word "understand" regularly, and "know" CAN also have its appropriate place. Even science is "given to understand." Truest of scientists are focused more on what they don't "know" than on what they do. I recall an experiment done in outer space that "disproved" what was "known" by science about equilibrium as related to the inner ear of a humans in the previously done experiments. And the more any of us "know," the more we discover we don't "know." It comes with the territory of true education.
@loriargyle5965
@loriargyle5965 6 месяцев назад
I feel very similarly to you Carol. I didn't want my boy to be baptized at 8 bc I thought he should be older and have the missionary lessons first before making that decision, so that it would mean more for him. But I ended up only holding it off by 6 months because... I guess I caved. I DID do the discussions with him first and asked him a lot of questions about what he wants, but I didn't wait as long as I had intended. I was actually afraid at that point that I wasn't letting him do what he wanted and if the Church really is what we believe it is, it's not good to not let your boy be baptized when he's asking to. Ha. Hard balance, right? Don't want to allow brainwashing, but also don't want to damage our childrens' chances at faith if we don't raise them in faith. Anyways, I don't think we should say 'we know' for anything that we don't know (which is almost everything in this life), and I encourage more nuanced discussion from my kids, etc. Sorry this is getting long - all this to say I would enjoy talking with you! And I wouldn't have resisted your comment in class :)
@MelanieRC1
@MelanieRC1 4 дня назад
Really enjoyed listening to this, the questions and insights. I love the reflectoi on timeliness - and I think now more than ever we need to enable access to quality factual information and trust our people to be able to work through and reconcile our own history. Thank you Richard Bushman for being a beacon of goodness for all of us.
@JamesKruithof
@JamesKruithof 14 дней назад
I have just ordered Rough Stone Rolling. I love the father son perspective you reveal, thanks Richard Bushman. I love reading Saints. The narration hasn't changed but expanded and strengthened the original more simple narration. We always knew that Joseph was shocked when he reached out to tough the plates when his motives were not right. Now with the treasure seeking reference it actually strengthens the validity of the original narration.
@bbbarham6264
@bbbarham6264 Год назад
One reason people are unaccepting of mistake of top leaders is because top leaders themselves are unwilling to publicly admit mistakes (like the priesthood ban and it’s supporting doctrines.) Edward Kimball, son of President Kimball, said “We pay lip service to the prophet's fallibility, but when you come down to specifics, we can't think of any incidents where a prophet was wrong.”
@leem3299
@leem3299 Год назад
Richard is what I needed growing up in the church. Honest, non pushy, not threatening, logical and kindhearted. The first I heard of him was warnings about his book - for of all things being honest. I never knew how much I was missing that until I heard how Richard answers questions. He actually answers questions to the best of his ability, doesn't belittle the questioner, doesn't get dramatic or overbearing. I'm a fan. Thank you
@boraxtbold25
@boraxtbold25 Год назад
It would be good to see an interview with Hannah Stoddard as well.
@HarbonIncFilms
@HarbonIncFilms Год назад
Always delightful to listen to Richard's many insights. Also wonderful job done interviewing him, with thoughtfully asked questions that brought the best out of Richard's mind. It is a long time ago since I first read RSR, but still consider it as the most important book I have read on LDS history. Thank you for taking the time to make this podcast.
@jbailey1898
@jbailey1898 Год назад
Tim, I feel exactly as you do about Rough Stone Rolling. It was a source of wisdom and support during my faith crisis journey. Oddly enough, I learned of Brother Bushman's works while listening to an interview he did with John Dehlin. Not only did I begin to study Brother Bushman's words, but I researched the sources he cited, both pro and con. And, like you, I would never trade the testimony and faith in God that I have gained through this process. God has spoken to me and taught me. My journey has served me and my family-who would have known that when my daughter came home from her mission in 2022 feeling broken with scrupulosity, I was able to share all my research with her and help her rebuild her faith (the Lord also guided us to a treatment program at the OCD and Anxiety Treatment Center). This has been one of the most beautiful blessings of my life. I'm so deeply grateful to God for his guidance. Brother Bushman will always have a special hero's place in my story, my family, and my heart.
@user-ux3vb5zg1p
@user-ux3vb5zg1p 10 месяцев назад
Loved the podcast all things are possible with God his ways are not our ways and the church has the most beautiful fruits especially in the temple
@ijn2252
@ijn2252 Месяц назад
I know this wasn't the main thing you were talking about, but as a fellow sufferer of scrupulosity my heart goes out to you and your daughter. It's a devastating experience at the extreme end and makes reconciliation with faith so challenging.
@nathangale7702
@nathangale7702 Год назад
Great interview. I've never run across a scholar that I agreed with on everything he had to say until now. Will have to read more of Bushman's work.
@dagneytaggart407
@dagneytaggart407 Год назад
Fabulous man of good. Thank you! So inspired and informed.
@nextooperfect
@nextooperfect Год назад
From the beginning of humanity, the Israelites were not the only communities who have been called upon to wander in their wildernesses for generations in order to help them (and those around them) let go of more familiar cultural traditions. All generations of time must, in some way or another, walk and walk and walk and occasionally run in order to get momentum to take the necessary leap across the chasms between where they are and where they need to be. Methinks.
@joostvandegoor150
@joostvandegoor150 9 месяцев назад
I think I have heard and watched this episode five times now, and I still find it very interesting and very helpful. Many thanks for this.
@maxward1660
@maxward1660 10 месяцев назад
One thing that has helped me a ton is that I have known so many exceptional men who are LDS - dad, bishop, mission president, friends, my doctor, my therapist.
@annroe1088
@annroe1088 Год назад
Wonderful podcast. I loved it. Bushman has a great mind and the host asked great questions.. Thank you I learned a lot to ponder about.
@millerkdm
@millerkdm Год назад
Long ago, when I read “Rough Stone Rolling”, I had almost the opposite reaction from Aubrey’s. Because I see myself as incomplete and sinful, it gave me hope that God has been able to use the talents of incomplete and sinful prophets. This has led me to believe that perhaps I too might have something hidden away somewhere deep and lost that I can offer. Brigham Young too was severely flawed (read any scholarly biography to see this, or just think about polygamy, race, etc. Arrington's might be the best of the bunch), but perhaps also there was nobody else on earth who God could use to save Mormons from extension. When looking at the past, it is hard to not see it through our "modern" eyes, and we will most certainly be seen as primitive 200 years from now. As for Aubrey’s concern about Joseph Smith secretly marrying a 14-year-old, I agree that is concerning to learn how truly flawed Joseph really was. But perhaps we can give him a little bit of a break by noticing that the morals of our time do not line up perfectly with those of past. For example, when I was doing genealogy indexing of marriages, I was flabbergasted to see how many 14- to 16-year-old girls got married in the 40’s and even up through the 70’s. Furthermore, Joseph married Mary, a young girl who was likely between the ages of 12 to 16. And when I first learned of this from a Mormon scholar at a BYU class, he continued by stating that it was more likely than not that Mary was at the younger end of this range when she married Joseph. So, there is that. Not everything needs to be about us. Also, regardless of what you believe of the historicity of biblical prophets, it is true that those who wrote about them saw them-all of them-as flawed. Think about God’s good one Noah; the head of the one and only family God decided to save. How good was Noah? Well, he cursed his son Ham and all Ham’s progeny simply for finding him naked and drunk in his tent. I find the flaws of good people, particularly prophets comforting. It gives me hope. Finally, even though I am on the outside looking in, I am currently reading Christian Kimball’s “Living on the Inside of the Edge: A Survival Guide”. I recommend it for any struggling but striving to stay in the Mormon church.
@christopherjones2669
@christopherjones2669 Год назад
Most outrageous thing in Rough Stone Rolling is Joseph's poverty and his parent's poverty, and this is eye-poppingly alarming today, in a society, that worships power, pleasures and popularity, and many in church, on both coasts, have worshiped the university since the 1960's, namely the most corrupt institutions.
@doa2758
@doa2758 Год назад
I feel encouraged Richard Bushman's statement of faith, "I feel deeply grateful . . " in contrast to "I know ...". Indeed I do feel as well deeply grateful and full of hope.
@georgiaborn6236
@georgiaborn6236 Год назад
Thank you for this....love, love, love!!
@ludiusprime
@ludiusprime Год назад
Thank you Brother Bushman for RSR. It opened my eyes to understanding the Prophet and his *real* mission beyond just “restoring the Church”
@garycobia3700
@garycobia3700 Год назад
I love Richard Bushman, thank you for such an amazing interview!
@nextooperfect
@nextooperfect Год назад
A pedestal is a lonely place to be. I wrote a poem about this shortly after President Kimball voiced out loud after Conference that he was "going to go home and do better."
@SamAntone
@SamAntone 8 месяцев назад
When the subject of "Joseph marrying a 14- year-old" comes up, it should be clarified that Joseph didn't ask for the marriage. It was the girl's father that asked Joseph, and it wasn't really a marriage; it was a sealing. And the girl lived with her family after the ceremony.
@EI-Capitano
@EI-Capitano 3 месяца назад
I'm happy to have found this video. I've been searching for honest, sincere, and direct support with LDS church questions. Thanks for putting this podcase together!
@leem3299
@leem3299 Год назад
I respect RB a lot, but I've been thinking, there's quite a contrast between how much he cares about himself being a good person, and how much leeway he's ok giving to the most powerful men in his world. If he held the powerful to the same high standard he holds himself, then what? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it's making me think.
@jerry_phillips
@jerry_phillips Год назад
I thought Brother Bushman did a great job of presenting a work that appeals to those interested in the secular history and also those members of the church that have had a sanitized version of history. In the end it gave me a greater love and appreciation for Joseph Smith. I feel more connected to his humanity.
@maryannstout7600
@maryannstout7600 5 месяцев назад
I appreciate this interview with Bro. Bushman. Thank you.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
The question is does Richard understand the vision that Leonard Arrington had for church history?
@user-ux3vb5zg1p
@user-ux3vb5zg1p 10 месяцев назад
Enjoyed the podcast God works in mysterious ways his ways are not our ways all things are possible with God
@joetaylor8687
@joetaylor8687 9 месяцев назад
I haven't read Rough Stone Rolling, but in the January 2019 Edition of the Ensign, Dallin Oaks indicates that the book is declaring that the Book of Mormon is contending that rather than being a haven for freedom, America is really supposed to essentially be a habitat for a theocratic dictatorship. I've read the Book of Mormon, and I never got that message at all. If you have access to that edition of the Ensign, go back and take a look at Oaks' article. I think a lot of people are saddened, dismayed, and even shocked that so many of their "mainstay" traditional values, policies, and ideas are becoming rarer and rarer with each passing day.
@davidzentner5247
@davidzentner5247 3 месяца назад
If Oaks is right then Richard Bushman is somewhat prophetic given the Church's hellbent diatribe in support of "religious liberty". That also falls nicely in line with the new GOP and MAGA Mormons goals in support of Christian Nationalism. God help us all if the GOP prevail come next November.
@joetaylor8687
@joetaylor8687 3 месяца назад
@@davidzentner5247 Horse pucky. The liberal / Democrat / woke platform is exactly what fits Satan's agenda perfectly. Squalor, crime, decadence, predators, parasites, politicians, perverts, maladjusted, malicious, misfits, etc., etc. God help us if we DON'T get some sanity, safety, solvency, and sovereignty back in this nation, if we have any hope of survival.
@florwood
@florwood Год назад
Thanks for the interview. I remember going to the visitor center at Joseph Smith's birthplace about 12 years ago. They had a wall with all the books written about Joseph Smith. The senior missionary firmly and proudly indicated that it did not include Rough Stone Rolling, because it was not faith promoting enough. It surprised me, because RSR was a landmark in my faith development.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 9 месяцев назад
I love fragile faith. Great descriptive phrase. But does that mean questioning exploratory faith? Faith does not get excluded or desecrated. Central focus. Healthy phrase. Thanks!!!!!
@bruceboehlen7616
@bruceboehlen7616 5 месяцев назад
thank you for this. all three of you. i am one of those who seek a little more truthful and fuller view of Christ's doctrine. and i feel so alone.
@faithmattersfoundation
@faithmattersfoundation 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for commenting, Bruce! I’m sorry that you’ve felt alone, and I’ve felt that way too at times. You might enjoy a lot of the episodes on our podcast. You can find them here on RU-vid, or on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Sending love to you! -Tim
@cinnamondan4984
@cinnamondan4984 Год назад
I love Richard Bushman and the Church.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 9 месяцев назад
Richard Bushman national treasure.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 21 день назад
But R B. Has to be allegorical. Okay basic. If Eden in Missourri why the church selling off Missourri Eden ? Okay.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 21 день назад
Historical BOM???? Reallh Ruchard??????
@StefHall
@StefHall Год назад
I love all your podcasts. You guys have helped me in sorting out so much. I sure appreciate you and all you do! ❤
@wade0921
@wade0921 Год назад
Dear Richard, just a simple question….having been a Latter Day Saint all my life, born under the covenant, baptized when eight, mission, married and sealed in the temple, do I really need to read it to be fully aware of the fact that “nobody’s perfect.” I already know that Joseph was a Mason…doesn’t bug me, used divining rods to look for treasure…doesn’t bug me, married a 14 year old, got over it through a little research. Many religions teach their people to live the 10 Commandments, or live by the golden rule….be good people, but I think the LDS religion has more to offer in the bigger picture. Now, should I read it or not…..it’s just over on my wife’s nightstand….lol ( it was my dad’s copy, and it didn’t throw him, he has notes in it too, he was a big reader).
@pietrosammaciccia5522
@pietrosammaciccia5522 9 месяцев назад
Thank you Brother Bushman
@christopherjones2669
@christopherjones2669 Год назад
I know the Church is divine; it is okay to be creative with how we say things; I know the Church is needed; I know the Church is beautiful, I know it is full of truth, etc. I know in Matthew 10:40 the Lord says He only accepts people who accept His human leaders, which is easy compared to accepting our own families, friends, professors, co-workers and bosses.
@sdfotodude
@sdfotodude 10 месяцев назад
Faith matters when the truth doesn't.
@coreynasfell1095
@coreynasfell1095 8 месяцев назад
Curious to me that he authored a book about Joseph Smith but prefers not to have "intrusion" revelatory experiences. 🤔 “A person may profit by noticing the first intimation of the spirit of revelation; for instance, when you feel pure intelligence flowing into you, it may give you sudden strokes of ideas,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith (1976), 151). I have not read this book and there were some things mentioned in this interview that make me cautious. For those who have read it, what value did it provide for you?
@fabiankempazo7055
@fabiankempazo7055 Год назад
at 17min - my personal problem is: I just do not believe in magic since there is no historical reliable proof of any
@littlebigband2010
@littlebigband2010 Год назад
It’s amazing but I don’t share the same opinion of Brother Bushman that most in the comments do. I think his book has taken away so many away from the church that it’s impossible for me to tell how I really feel. Suffice it to say that his Book has done so much damage to this church and after a careful examination of it. There is Historical falsehoods in that book. 😢
@christopherjones2669
@christopherjones2669 Год назад
Number one reason, in my view, people leave the faith, is they, (the people leaving) no longer believe in the New Testament.
@littlebigband2010
@littlebigband2010 Год назад
@@christopherjones2669 most people leaving any faith are leaving for atheism.
@giuliom3564
@giuliom3564 29 дней назад
​@@littlebigband2010 And where are the historical falsehood in that book????
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
The church being true is that it has living apostles and prophets. It has authoritative ordinances that are binding in this world and the next. Joseph Smith himself told those of other faiths to take the truths they had and come receive a fullness of truth. What he didn’t say is that other religions have no truth.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
@@gordianknot9595 This isn’t gambling nor Pascal’s wager. This is about truth that is knowable. One can know that the Book of Mormon is true through the Holy Spirit. Pascal’s wager is terrible because it doesn’t take revelation into account. It starts with the premise that we cannot know if there is an afterlife or what is necessary for salvation.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
@@gordianknot9595 Your question holds a false premise. That is in relation to tangible evidence. So the Book of Mormon is figment of my imagination? It is a book that I can physically hold in my hand. The debate is over it’s origins. On the one hand you have it coming forth through the Gift and power of God. On the other hand you have it coming from the cunning genius of Joseph Smith, or the luck of Joseph Smith, or through conspiracy of a few men. You have view of the Hebrew theory , the Solomon Spaulding theory and others. A few evidences against The Book of Mormon in the past had been proven to be false. Previously the idea of records being written on golden plates was considered crazy and bogus, but then what do we find? We find other nations with records that where written in gold. The name Alma was a source of criticism since the character in the Book of Mormon was male. The experts said this was evidence of the ignorance of Joseph and of him being a false prophet. The Hoffman forgeries lead many out of the church who’s ultimate faith was in what could be felt, touched, and seen. The experts said the forgeries where authentic, but Bruce R. Mcconkie said in general conference that if the lord was here he would say that the succession letter from Hoffman was false. He died and was never validated by science until after his death. The forgery was traded by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with the RLDS church who had some of the history of the church which fell into their hands earlier. So the church traded authentic history for a fake forgery. The lords had in getting back it’s church history was pulled off perfectly. At the same time members of the church were tested on where their faith was put. Those who had faith in Jesus Christ and revelation stayed in the church and were latter validated by science. The list goes on. Everyone puts their faith in something or someone. I put my faith in Christ and his revelations. I hold that true religion and true science will in the end line up.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
@@gordianknot9595 We don’t know the font size of the gold plates, if they are comparable to other records. Nor the difference between reformed Egyptian and regular Egyptian. There their are other false comparisons made by academia like comparing translation in the classical sense with translation through the Gift and power of God. We don’t fully know how that process took place. Their are other evidences besides the Book of Mormon. The Church has the structure of the church that Christ set up. For some reason some who believe in the Bible don’t believe in modern apostates and prophets or the structure set up by Christ as taught in the Bible. Other evidences of the restoration are miracles which are not found lacking in church history or modernly. In the restoration we also learn the true nature of God. The roles Christ, Heavenly Father, and Holy Ghost play in relation to each other. The trinity is the result of influences from Hellenism and the great apostasy. They say they worship God, but that He is unknowable. While the Bible which they supposedly believe in teaches that to know God and Jesus Christ is eternal life. If true (and it is) then to not know God and Jesus Christ is damnation.
@joetaylor8687
@joetaylor8687 9 месяцев назад
Oh yeah? Supposedly in the "First Vision" (the version most often quoted and published) he was told that the other sects were an abomination, and none of them were right.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 9 месяцев назад
@@joetaylor8687 They are abominations since none of them can perform authoritative salvific ordinances. They lost the knowledge of the true nature of God because of this. For it is in the ordinances that the true nature of God is made manifest. We read in the book of John that life eternal is to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent. Do those of the trinitary belief know God? They do not for in the very creed itself it declarers that God is unknowable. By the standards of the bible then it is found that those who follow after the trinitarian notion cannot have enteral life. Is this belief not dross in metal or an abomination in a gospel surrounded by much truth? it is abominable. The Church is a vehicle through which we deliver authoritative ordinances and knowledge necessary for salvation.
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 21 день назад
Isnt this the same Bushman that said lds church should change n̈arrative. Who saw these plates????????
@Gideonslc
@Gideonslc Год назад
Yes, the 14 year-old age of Helen Mar Kimball and others is quite disturbing, but it's a bit of a softball. From the D&C 132 study guide the story with the Partridge and Lawrence sisters is probably the most damaging. The Partridge Sisters lived with the Smith's as Foster daughters. Joseph married them without Emma's knowledge kept the marriage hidden until Emma somehow seemingly suggested the marriage. They then repeated that marriage "for Emma's sake," and pretended like it was the first time before Joseph "Honeymooned," with one while Emma slept alone that night. Weeks later Emma sends them all packing and it's but a couple weeks later again when D&C 132 is "revealed." The emotional/spiritual manipulation with the women of polygamy is negligible when compared to the level of deception of Emma... 🙄🙄
@user-ux3vb5zg1p
@user-ux3vb5zg1p 10 месяцев назад
I know the church is true by the holy spirit bushman said he doesnt like saying it because it might make people feel inadequate he didnt say he didnt think its true he testifys the truth in other ways
@christopherjones2669
@christopherjones2669 10 месяцев назад
Should be more outrage with how poor the Smiths were; nothing else compares in RSR with tragedy of New England winters and sad, prolonged, living conditions in that era. Everything else is easy to explain.
@MelindaLBrown1830
@MelindaLBrown1830 2 месяца назад
It's interesting to me when we watch other people ask questions, the interviewer should ask one question then hear the answer. There's not a lot of listening going on here; a lot of pontificating.
@faithmattersfoundation
@faithmattersfoundation 2 месяца назад
Thank you for the feedback, Melinda -Tim
@sdfotodude
@sdfotodude 10 месяцев назад
Is the church really "good"? It seems ashamed of itself.
@Irvingdector
@Irvingdector Месяц назад
I can not trust this guy when John Dehlin promotes his books.
@giuliom3564
@giuliom3564 29 дней назад
So you are very closed-minded
@Sewbasic1
@Sewbasic1 Год назад
Why do members have to find out some of the difficult history from a book like this instead of directly from the correlated materials or top leaders of the church. Also, why was some of the historical material covered in the book considered anti-mormon lies not so long ago? Why do the top leaders need this book to refer to to get the history out when THEY should have been talking about this the entire time? That's why so many are hurt and leaving.
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
Read Faith Crisis and Faith Crisis Behind Closed Doors. Get a different perspective.
@Sewbasic1
@Sewbasic1 Год назад
@Andrew Durfee I'm open to many perspectives and will look into your suggestion, however, your reply does not validate that the perspective I wrote my above questions from is just as valid and deserves answers.
@Sewbasic1
@Sewbasic1 Год назад
@Andrew Durfee And again, you are using other people, not the top 15, to defend Mormonism and its history. This is exactly what I was talking about in my first comment. Plus, where is the peer review on anything that these books have to offer? Only believing members tell the truth about their own church's history?? Do you give the same credence to other religions? Jehovas Wittenesses? Scientologists?
@andrewdurfee3896
@andrewdurfee3896 Год назад
@@Sewbasic1 Actually the material was debated in the past. Hugh Nibley for example wrote No ma'am, That's Not History in response to Brodie's No Man Knows My History. Not everything that has gone through Deseret Book has been approved of by the brethren nor the means through which it was pushed through done in honesty. Leonard Arlington didn't want any "Holy Ghosteres" working with him in the history department. In a sense if the Church Historian changes church history then he becomes a back door prophet and can have the living apostles and prophets as the fall guys. I wouldn't hold Judas Iscariots view of Christ in high regard. Academia holds that we should hold Judas Iscariot with as much regard as Jesus and the twelve apostles. So with that same mindset the testimonies of those who wanted to destroy Joseph Smith and hated him should be held equally with those continued with where faithful and did not apostatize. Now the Prophets and Apostles were guilty of choosing sides. I have received a witness from God that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, therefore, I going to testify that I know this and am picking the side that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. What has happened now is that every source is to be considered equally valid.
@Sewbasic1
@Sewbasic1 Год назад
​@Andrew Durfee All sides and perspectives are valid. Just because you believe you have had a witness from God, does not mean my perspective is invalid. My relationship with God is mine, just as yours is yours. I was just asking questions that deserve answers or at the very least, honest discussion.
@Man-jf6lz
@Man-jf6lz Год назад
I love Richard, but these interviewers are horrible. I'd rather listen to someone scratch a chalk board. They talk way too much, beg the question, and stutter around their own thoughts. Tough listen.
@TimChaves
@TimChaves Год назад
So much of this is right! Sorry 😭
@glenyoung1337
@glenyoung1337 Год назад
@@TimChavesIgnore the tactless critics. I thought you did a wonderful job asking thoughtful, interesting, and helpful questions. I’ve thought the same thing in other episodes as well. Your ability to articulate my own thoughts and questions has impressed me on multiple occasions. Thank you for all you do. Please keep it up.
@TimChaves
@TimChaves Год назад
@@glenyoung1337 Thank you Glen 🙏
@marquitaarmstrong399
@marquitaarmstrong399 21 день назад
Larger purpose is money
@quintinadair
@quintinadair 2 месяца назад
This old self proclaimed "intellectual" Bushman, has been blown out of the water by the young people at the Joseph Smith foundation. Hannah Stoddard has the data and the facts to back up the truth. Bushman takes the simple-minded, naive acceptance of all people in history that were both angry and jealous of the young Prophet,... Joseph Smith .
@phoenixfireclusterbomb
@phoenixfireclusterbomb 2 месяца назад
Tell yourself a lie long enough you’ll believe the lie. Sorry, we need serious answers. Its never comfortable realizing all your hard work and life was a lie.
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