Excellent guide! Thank you Wudijo. I've always wanted to play traps with DH again (ever since it was a thing a thousand years ago!), and finally here we are!
Many, if not all casual players wanted the Natalya build to stay as per initial PTR. Many enjoyed S27 DH Impale build and preferred it over GoD for not having to press HA every second. Maxroll team was strongly against it and Blizzard listened to their feedback. Thank you 😥
Come on, I'd even pressing a button for primary fire on GoD Dh is too much for you, why do you even play this game? Not every DH build needs to be another "press one button" build...
@@MrEgally Necro has multiple Death Nova builds. Monk has multiple WoL builds. Why does DH have to have a single “spin to win build”? I love the game as a casual player. New Natalya set during PTR was something many people would play in S28. The way it is now - NO ONE will play it. Is this something you really wanted???
@@dejanlaketic you talk about Wol Lod and wol sunwuko, you talk about tragul Nova and Lod nova. So only one set is for the skill you mentioned. But with strafe the build loses its identidy. We had God, then impale Spin to win, this season God spin to win is better then ever. So why another spin to win set... Monk does not have 2 sets that must use Wol. I like the Natalya the way it is. I like to press more then one button
@@MrEgally the Firebird wizard set can use 3 different skilss, also Meteor can be played 3 different ways, 1 is cold meteor, 1 is star pack and 1 is firebird meteor, you heard anyone complain about them? Strafe got 1 build to play it and you're mad and don't want another variant?
This spec would make more sense if you could actually place caltrops to your mouse location. As it is right now, basically a melee DH, it is not at all appealing. Dh class is not particularly tanky and doing damage in this manner is just so damn clunky!
Spare a thought for console players with a joystick and no obvious way to precisely target things. Example: playing Necro with a golem, where you need it to collapse into a pile of corpses just where the enemy stands. What actually happens? The golem jumps randomly and collapses on the wrong part of the map. Every. Damn. Time.
agree but i luv spin to win , but enjoy ue and maras just so weak , did a 140maras UE only 125, lod 120, god 135 , when i seen nether as a skill i got excited but learned it was to fire off the traps sux , i played both ball lightning and nether tent in s6 luv it, this build is traps sin nat sin lol
Builds and gameplays should be smooth and fun, and it is the exact oposite of what i feel using Natalya's spike trap build. I wont blame anyone, i just wont use it and play wizz instead, meteors are great, or maybe Death nova necro. No reason to fight for d3 anymore, with D4 at the door and right after PoE 2.
The patch notes didn't state that the nats spin to win was an accident. It says in the notes "AFTER" listening to feedback the devs wanted to move away from the God build. Clearly the original idea was intentional. The question everybody is raising is who did they listen to. You may have the opinion it was thousands of players. Others have the opinion blizzard decision was dominated by the professional streamers. I don't like being gaslit.
Well luckily you weren't being gaslighted. No one manipulated you into questioning your sanity. No need to blow this out of proportion. You're speculating, just like everyone else who isn't a Blizzard dev. It's not the first time Blizz devs have claimed that they listen to community feedback. It's also well-established that Blizz devs rarely listen to feedback. Evident in their numerous poorly thought-out decisions over the years in multiple games, including d3.
@@doryfishie2 bro it isn’t that serious it’s a old ass game they messed up build u wanted to play big deal just play something else, and stop acting like you are some kind of victim
This build still feels like a clunky Explosive Palm build with extra steps. I have nothing against how good it can be in terms of pushing or supporting, but to me at least, it doesn't seem that fun. All it does it play into the trap-setting fantasy but I see people getting sick of it fast, especially post-season.
I just hope with the altar and the buffs that UE and/or Marauders can accomplish 150. Never cleared a 150 and was hoping Nats would get me there, but I cannot stand this playstyle - I remember the devs talking about wanting to preserve the "fantasy" of the classes and I don't know what about standing still in melee range spamming traps in the same area repeatedly says Demon Hunter/Valla lol.
Yes. A different route would have been to say that traps were auto-laid but only by X or Y skill (with Strafe not being one of them). For me, at least, the manual trap use is fine. I think the build just needs tuning and polishing. I guess that won't come until season 29 though.
Strafe was never a part of Natalya’s, people just use it because it’s an efficient skill, and guess what? Even with the manual traps people continue to use strafe to detonate them (it kind of reminds me of the controversial bazooka wizard playstyle of just tapping a channeling skill instead of actually channeling them), so that’s amusing to see just how hard this rework failed.
You and other streamers and the maxroll team as a whole are responsible for these changes and you know it. You and Raxx are the two that impacted this build the most. Whether or not it's the most powerful build in the game, it objectively is not fun to play and doesn't fit in with the DH class fantasy AT ALL. Even other popular DH streamers hate this build, lmfao.
Zei's doesn't seem to be super helpful in this build. I was testing Gogok and it seemed to work well. It appears that triggered traps do not despawn, so with high attack speed you can layer explosion chains, ie- keeping your placed traps at 10 while they are exploding. At least it felt pretty good to me, I'm not much of a theorycrafter. There's probably a good AS breakpoint worth looking into then using maybe Bane or something. Thoughts?
Up to GR 112 with this build. Still trying to finish the altar and this build definitely helped a ton. It has a high learning curve for sure but once you get it, it absolutely rekts. No augments and under 1k paragon so I'm hella pleased
I'm not unhappy that is no longer a spin-to-win build, I'm unhappy that is no longer an auto-trap ranged build. You guys know you could use ANY skill to place auto-traps right? right? Strafe was NEVER mandatory, and if blizzard does not want to allow more than one build that uses strafe (because GoD forbid that, excuse me for the bad pun), the most obvious, simple fix was just to make it so channeling abilities didn't proc auto-traps. Now we have a manual trap build WITH STRAFE IN IT. This is one of the worst playstyles I've seen in d3 for a while, kinda reminiscent of tapping disintegrate with bazooka wizard back in the day instead of channeling it, you know, like a channeling skill... I'll sure be skipping DH next season unfortunately.
@@jasonc55063 I actually tried this on PTR instead of strafe - obviously slower for farming, but it was super fun feeling actually. Piercing arrows rune and everything just exploded. Really wish something like that had been explored...this is so clunky that I will probably just go Tal Rasha Meteor for a push build, or Blood Nova on Necro...I was super excited for the Nat's rework too. Now just disappointed.
This i why i could never have a youtube channel… I would be smashing my keyboard screming att people writing comments like that 😂 and your so calm… 😂 as always! Thaaanks for everyone you do 🎉🎉🎉
its not spin to win its vault to win. grab danettas set + omryn's chain less damage but fully t16 capable. gameplay feels so much smoother. oh and vault action shot has good synergy with that resource passive from seasonal altar.
Wudi, we love you, but can you please explain to us how ANYBODY that didn't want another strafe build is now happy with yet another worse strafe build? Seriously, am I taking crazy pills? Before you pressed strafe to set traps, now you press strafe to trigger traps? Hello??? Who wanted this? Seriously, who? Imo this is a huge L for DH this league.
That baffles me as well, it's just like bazooka wiz all over again, tapping a channeling skill to deal damage instead of channeling it. I guess people don't mind that much if you just spin in place for half a second? Sure you can overlook it, right? lmao
Well, I’d argue that this isn’t a Strafe build. He goes into more detail later, but it essentially sounds like Strafe is only there for non seasonal play due to a combination of factors. It allows you to walk unhindered through enemies and it’s one of the cheaper Hatred spenders. The traps require you to use a spender in order to proc them, so it makes sense to choose the cheapest option available with the best utility. During Season 28, he made it sound like you have a few other options due to some of the seasonal theme bonuses. He mentions this basically when discussing his video footage being without the seasonal buffs and points out how low his hatred is even just using Strafe.
Not tried it yet, but from reading around I'm hearing people say that you *want* the spikes & caltrops to drop at your feet . . . I think Raxx says as much in his video on the re-re-work . . . so this is OK for us console plebs who can't actually *aim any of our skills*? Or not? Gather density, stand in the middle (hmm), dps mechanic, profit? Plenty of people on Reddit bemoaning this re-re-work for consoles. One poster ["peterpaulreubens"] had this to say: "My one hope is that Omryn’s Chain and Danetta’s can provide enough Caltrops to make it not suck, and that Vaulting with Danetta’s will actually trigger the Spike Traps. Still that sounds like a just-for-shits-and-giggles T16 build than a serious contender"
I hadn't tried this set before. For S29, in order to get the wings I used it on my DH. After playing D1 - D4 all these years, I'm still to see a crappier gameplay. But thanks for the guide.
I don't feel like you are being honest with yourself on the amount of weight they put on your feedback in terms of this. There was an extremely vocal minority that was upset with another spin to win while most were fine with a different flavor of it. I am not actually too upset that they changed it but it was 100% due to you and the other CCs being a part of that very vocal minority. Normally you speak for us with most of your feedback but I feel that you were not speaking for us at all on this one but you were listened to anyway. Doesn't matter much I guess and thanks for the guide but please at least be honest with yourself and us about what happened here. YOU didn't like a different variety of spin to win and YOU were listened to. You also put in ludicrous hours testing that I never do so it is fine if your voice is what they listen to but this one came down to the preferences of you and other CCs.
yeah you're right very disingenuous of them. I was super looking forward to spinning to winning in a slightly different way the changes dampened my excitement immensely and I'll openly blame them for it, they stole a little piece of my happiness and that's not ok.
Some people downed 150 solo non-season on Asian servers. They use Evasive Fire/Hardened & Spike Trap/Custom Trigger, but their paragon is too high to estimate the result properly.
Sad that the 6p bonus “25% chain explosion” is not visual in the UI. Maybe it can’t cause of the “duration” of the effect. If they put on the UI, we just should see a number growing during 1/4 seconde then disappear 😅 Cause of that, I can’t say if the dble explosion from the weapon or the triple spark from the lightning rune is triggering more 6p bonus chain reaction 🧐 Wudi mathematic master. I count on you to do this tests and say us about that 🤪
I like the new Natalya rework, but my only issue is that I thought it would be an S tier build, it would be if they change the 10.000% spike trap damage to 12/15.000%.. thanks for the effort
Use Vault for moving around fast. Omryn's belt drops caltrop when you vault. Vault fast around until you hit elite mob, lay traps vault out lay's caltrop. Hit with your Hatred spender to trigger away from pack. Everything dead. Vault to next group, occasionally you will need to drop some traps in trash mobs to keep your discipline up. Trash mobs die without a caltrop laid. Natayla Slayer and Demons demise in weaponnslots. Cube Canon bolter, Omryns belt, grandeur. Aughild helm and shoulder, Guardians belt and bracer. Rest of slots Natayla's. Will have one ring slot and Necklace. I am using elusive and squirts.
getting the hang of this set. turns out the Custom Trigger with Evasive fire feels better. you spam and hold the key to spam laying of traps because it's so fast especially with Speed Pylon, and the DPS is insane. Evasive fire with backflip feels better to stay distance from melee attacks. However, the game play does not feel good or has little impact despite the damage. S28 indeed is less than other seasons as they probably working on D4
Thanks for this guide, and all your content in general. It will be interesting to see how this does once people get some practice and familiarity with it. I really like that it has a pulling ability. I wonder if we are underestimating the effect of that. I think it's unfortunate that the power level is not higher. This is *the* new build for this season and it would be have fun if it was insanely OP. and competitive with the top builds. I guess the problem is that they have killed the lightning rune (intentionally or otherwise), and that if that worked the build would have a lot more baseline damage. Also, you are right, of course, that Blizzard are the developers of this game and if people don't like a change to it, they should complain to Blizzard and not attack streamers who are as entitled to their opinions on the game as anyone.
It was super effective as a ZDH hybrid for a duo 150 with a wizard. I suggest dropping Hot Pursuit for High GRs for Thrill of the hunt and slow enemies 80% with multi shot. It gave me the ability to freeze anything attacking the wizard and then pulling it back into the pile. Even more crowed control lol Even just freezing them to make a safe walking path
They never should have nerfed GoD DH by nerfing the 9th Ciri Satchel. This build looks like shit...kinda defeats the purpose of playing a DH having to play slow and methodical
"150 clear somewhere around paragon 2k, in the first 2 days".....i've been playing since season 16, alternating normal and hc and the best i have non season (added all seasons together) is 1.88k paragon
He's talking about the tryhard botters, which is pretty much all the streamers and half the player base. They bot their crafting materials to roll best legs while they sleep / afk off stream. Ever see any of the big streamers do bounties? Rax himself recently said on a video that he knows nothing about bounties (because he never has to actually run them himself). Shortest path to making the gear you need is re-forging legendaries which requires bounty mats.
Also, I've played since Beta, finished every season journey. I always have fun with my friends and have only reached 1600 Paragon once in a season. My max paragon non season now is just over 3k. I've never botted but have finished under 500 on leaderboards a few times.
I like this build a lot. Finally a build that isn't just press 1 button and run. Barb whirlwind, GoD DH, Manitou WD. This at least uses all buttons placement, thought. Is strife still being used or a different take with a primary skill?
I'm surprised the build doesn't hit harder and doesn't have more toughness considering how close you have to be to things and how much less you attack groups of monsters (I mean think of UE and GoD where you are attacking many enemies m, multiple times a second from across the screen). Really informative video as usual Wudijo.
Let’s stop pretending. Blizzard screwed it up badly. New Natalya is melee build for range class and it’s bad no matter how u look at it. Even Wudi has problem to enjoy it in this video. Instead of hype of the season we have flop of the season before season even started.
@@dakodaarmstrong5 It´s a game dude jaja it has to be fun to play, and the build its not really that hard to play, just boring PD: Skill? in diablo 3? LOL u just farm paragon lvl, thats all
@@CristinasWoW there is still skill in low paragon pushes when going for rank 1 first that’s what’s fun Having an easy build that just uses 1 button isn’t fun it’s boring
and guys imagine this, someone from Blizzard playtested this version of " Clunky Natalia" before and they still decided to relase it in this form. I wonder how this approval proccess looks like from the Blizzars Kitchen side.
What's up with the top DHs using 3 piece GoD+Nat+Crimson doing 2 min GR150s with like no augs no gems barely 1400 para? Exploiting or something else? I don't see any videos about it
This is a bit late but yes it was an exploit I believe. I think there was an exploit with 2 piece shadow’s that gave a flat 6000% damage increase just for wearing the pieces and not fulfilling the bonus’s requirement of having a melee weapon equipped. I’m a new player and I’ve noticed that myself a few days ago as I started to see the leaderboards for the first time and I saw these unaugmented builds with the incomplete set bonuses
@@dakodaarmstrong5 Standing in place while spamming a single skill in the exact same location on repeat doesn't sound challenging. It's just a stat/gear check w/ little to no strategy.
@wudijo Wouldn't the math be 25% more than the previous blast = 245% damage on the last one and not only 225%? Just in case you've done some spread sheets :)
they could have done it like the WoL monk, set the trap and then use a generator or spender to trigger, caltrop to group up WoL had the same thing with the bell last season and you see nobody complains about it
That is BS. People are not unhappy that it's not spin to win, they're unhappy that it's clunky and requires too much setup just to do damage. There are plenty of good non brain dead builds that people enjoy. Tal Rasha and Blood Nova are proof of that. Nobody wanted to play a ranged, movement heavy character like DH that has to be stuck in melee range planted in place. It's just a bad build now.
"It's just a bad build now" my brother in christ it's literally the best DH build. It's not anyone else's fault that you can't figure out how to play it
@@iamme625 Who cares if it's the 'best' build? Nobody but the tryhards are going to play it now because of the unnecessary skill ceiling. Blizzard has plenty of recent reworks of sets that aren't spin to win but are still fun to play. Doing a rework of a set that is going to end up largely ignored was just a waste of their time. It's a bad build.
@@iamme625 You are a parrot and nothing more. You parrot what these people say yet Dieoxide tested this for hours on stream and also agree's it's a bad build that isn't fun. Among MANY MANY MANY other non streamers. So nah, parrot
I'm for sure not good enough to play this optimally, but I'm gonna give it a go and see if I can at least play it competently as I'm bored of the GoD Hunger build
@@demonguard Indeed. And there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a melee DH style. This build may need more toughness buff though. The 75% from the 4 piece is perhaps not enough.
Same tbh the new alter doesn't interest me because it changes nothing about the game. New sets new play styles interest me. Now this set is awkward I'm not really that interested in the season as much because this was the only NEW game change.
if you explode the traps while keeping putting them you have a chain explosion with all the traps that never ends until you stop puting traps, you dont have to stop every 5 traps, right?
Again, thank you for your bad feed back on the Nat's set. NOBODY wants to play this melee range DH that's incredibly clunky. We would have much preferred it remain another spin to win build but NOOO, you and the other pros didn't think we would want that. Well you were wrong. Luckily my two other favorite classes are #1 and #2. I was looking forward to playing a DH this season but it's outclassed by Wizard/Necro and the only viable pushing build for DH is still Marauders. Talk about boring.
Wudi doesn't develop the game, it's not up to him what gets added or changed. God, diablo players are the whiniest bunch of people ever. If nats had stayed a spin to win build you would've complained about it either outclassing GoD and making it irrelevant or the other way around.
@@iamme625 Yes, he is not a developer, but Maxxroll is constantly sending data, opinions and evaluations to Blizzard. (which also included the statement that no one wants S2W Natalya) Many of these were adopted. Especially since "accidentally" Wudi suggested exactly what happened now or said several times live in the stream - GOD buff and lay manual traps. And I think it's unlikely that the majority didn't want an S2W because 90% of the comments from all streamers are negative about the new Natalya and the fall of the S2w. Even in the Blizzard forum, the majority is against the new Natalya and the elimination of the S2w. Looking at all of this, one wonders if Blizzard listened to the community or the howls of the 2% hardcore players and a few Diablo streamers.
Great Video and great Statement. Even tho I don't think you needed to explain yourself since blizzards decisions are not something you have any control over. People are just mindlessly hating cause they wanted yet another spin to win build for no reason. And for those who argue, it's bad now cause it's clunky, just don't play it then. There are some people who enjoy the variety in builds and playstyles. Do I say this is the best the set could have been gmaeplay wise? No. But get the stick out of your rares and stop blaming the CC for your unhappiness. The CC's you are now throwing your hate towards are the exact same people who hold your hand through every single season, promote this game to the people and overall create a community for this game. Please don't take these hate comments too personal mista strimma, the majority who remains silent is more than thankful for everything you have done for the community.
So disappointed with how season28 has turned out with sets. They could've done something really unique here and with the other builds that have fallen behind but it honestly feels like the design is pretty lazy and hasn't been play tested much at all. I do however love the Danetta's playstyle and was hoping they would've done something to include that set in the pushing builds. Also Uliana's desperately needed just something this season, like damage is increased by X amount if you have 5 targets or fewer.
here, my first time playiung new Nats and its annoyingly twonky. Heack of a nasty starting set compared to God and Marauder. Also just waaaay to much clicking, going to get Carpal i know.
really odnt understand your videos and guides sorry, there are 3 videos with this build and each of the videos and d3 planner have different 1-2 skills and skill builds /positions Therefore you are running something else on video and putting different stuff to d3 planner - what is the point ?
All streamers didn't want a new spin-to-win build, but now they all don't like the re-make. So, what do you want actually? You are making great things for the community, we are so thankful, unfortunately you as community leaders should not act personally, you should not want sth that you like to play, unfortunately...
