The Rise & Fall of Carthage 

Me too

I did not understand the joke

Tyre and Carthage is basically and ancient version of England and America

​@@indiekiddrugpatrol3117the difference is britain didn't become conquered

True...+ some Greek opinions

It’s crazy how I see Tunisia in almost every video (antiquity, romans, islam, crusade, ottomans, ww2....) of every history channel, a country I didn’t know it even exists 6 months ago..

@@faubourglincoln Planet Tatouine is in Tunisia and you don't know Tunisia? 😂

@@faubourglincoln You should visit sometime

Historians are able to tell the difference between what happened and what Rome wants us to believe. There was a Greek historian that traveled with Hannibal, whose sources were used by Polybius and Livy and others.

Anytime I come across and account of a library being destroyed in the sacking of a great city, I always get a little bit sad. There could have been SOOO much knowledges tucked away in those writings, but it’s gone forever

very true

I got this feeling the first time I heard that the Spanish destroyed all kinds of writings from the Inca and maya

Strange how when Rome is sacked, it's a tragedy, but when Carthage is destroyed barely anyone seems to care.

@@septimiusseverus343 all the while carthage is actually more civilizational nation.

Matthew Aislabie so be it! we’re all semitic after all

Carthage was indeed founded by a Phoenician queen but it wasn’t a Phoenician empire! It was mostly Amazigh/Berber and even Hannibal Barca was of Amazigh descent.

@@iammathieuaoun Carthaginians are European, not Phoenicianwww.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2016-05-ancient-dna-phoenician-carthage-european.amp

@@nizz32niz Carthagenians and all ancient Africans were black and brown people of those lands

@@rawenab2126 Carthagenians were native black and brown Africans,NOT CAUCASIANS

Ajami you’re a fucking weeb

@@jensjensen9035 Yes.

Ajami Trade includes more than just goods and materials, it includes knowledge and ideas. In all likely hood, Carthage imitated Rome’s style of government.

@@zoch9797 🤡🤡🤡 Carthage existed before Rome Rome copies Carthage and greece gouvernement rome copied carthage navy force copied carthage luxury

Not really because that was their goal for Rome and still is for the west.

Urinal splashguard? or crocyamaka? “Still is (their goal) for the west” Lol Get a fucking grip man.

Careful to not "victimize" Carthage. Remember that in the second greco-punic war they massacred and enslaved almost the entire population of prosperous Sicily. No nation or culture is immune to disgraceful actions in all history of mankind.

I think the point Urinal made is that both Rome and colonial powers for the last maybe 600 years did the same thing in deliberately erasing the history of places they colonized - which is undebatable and only gets cemented more every year that documents get declassified.

hey they brought it upon themselves. Start shit get hit

For whatever reason, english speaking countries love to potray Carthaginians as west Africans. Which gives off completely distorted view. They were enstranged cousins of Hebrews.

🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳Tunisia

@@OkurkaBinLadin how were Canaanites and Jews related? Weren't they a separate people of the levant before the arrival of the Israelites?

@@ab5680 they share the same dna

No, they're repeating the same old historical mistake. The Cartaginians were NOT a Phoenician (=Canaanite) colony. They were only trading partners with the phoenicians. Phoenicians settled only in the Levant. Josephus made it clear that the northern African colonies originated in Epher son of Midian son of Abraham from his wife Keturah who were originally from north western part of Arabia!

How would we know any of Hannibal's quotes. Was he writing letters to the Romans? Probably legends.

Actually it's a wrong quote mate, this is the original one : "Let us now relieve the Romans of their fears by the death of a feeble old man." And here is the source : www.englishclub.com/ref/esl/Quotes/Last_Words/Let_us_now_relieve_the_Romans_of_their_fears_by_the_death_of_a_feeble_old_man._2721.php

"My family, the House of Scipii, are beloved of the gods. A proud boast, but true all the same. In return we have served Rome, ruled well, led her armies to glory; it has cost us dearly, despite the love of the gods. Sometimes the hatred of men is stronger. Our dead lie in many graves, put there by Carthaginian swords...and a few Greek ones. Even Roman blades have taken Scipii lives; that, we do not forget, or forgive. So, now our time has come. The spirits of the dead cry out for blood. I will lead our family in this undertaking. The gods will grant us vengeance. When Sicily is Roman, when Carthage is crushed, when the other Roman families are gone, when the world is mine...then I will stand before the gods and be worthy of their love. And worthy to rule Rome!" House Scipii for life!

Awesome comment!!! What or who is RTW???

@@someorclad9738 And awesome comment from you too!!!

@@SiriusDraconis RTW = Rome Total War. One of the best strategy games there is my man. back during the glory days of western games (now its JRPGs and Japanese games, as it always was and is but I'm getting off topic). Not sure if it will run on modern systems though, but you can always give it a try. If Rome Total War won't run, there are guides to get it to run if I'm not mistaken. If it still won't run, then try the sequels, Rome Total War 2 and Attila Total War. Not as great as Rome Total War, but eh, you get what you get.

@@someorclad9738 Thanks a bunch... I actually have the Rome total war collection on steam. I bought it the same time I bought civilization 5. Unfortunately, for me, I was still playing Kanes Wrath and Starcraft 2 and then my PC completely crashed and I never got to play them.

Their chief weapon was surprise. Surprise and fear. And a ruthless force of elephants.

Caleb Hines haven’t Hannibal ravaged Italy for years, element of surprise is long gone by that time

@@caleb-hines Hi, Hannibal didn't have so many elephants after the Alps

"But a plague can only do so much." John Cena: *"Are you SURE about that?"*

The Black Plague disagrees

Well, the Spanish Flu did its thing, yet it was not a factor for voting for Hitler. Plagues are so horrible yet how they impact a society is very different every time.

Coronavirus disagrees

Noah The Celt though that connection is dubious I think it’s possible that some settled there from Galatia, and were hired by Herodias and other judean officials for guard work, which makes me wonder if Gauls fought for the Jews during the first Roman siege of Jerusalem...

pokezee king-wolf though I don’t agree with saying everyone was originally european or whatever, you shouldn’t be anti-eurocentrist either, if we go the opposite route we may completely ignore or misinterpret historical people and events... like in the example of celts in the Middle East as we’ve been talking about, it’s not a huge leap to think they had their own settlements or designated region in the area.

Apep ' the Greek Ptolemies brought them in as elite warriors and guardsmen

@Noah The Celt ...... The celts and the greeks were black.... So whats your point. There was no opression of egyptians.

@Noah The Celt ..... Thats hilarious! Where is that peer reviewed study of "white" celts? Let alone in egypt? Ireland is ERIland. Dont bet ridiculus

History repeats itself over and over.

patrick Gideon..Also,the great majority of Carthagenians were native black and brown Africans

Agreed

Well, the topic is well established history that he's summarizing. Carthage and the Phonecians often get glossed over in high school and introductory college historical surveys because we know less about them, compared to Egypt, Greece and Rome, for example. But there are other cultures of this same time period which get even less attention.

Exactly, the ruins as we see it today are the results of the destruction made by the arabs.

There is still one building standing, and some artifacts, graves, ect...

@@SeptimiusAfer240 Exactly! The city was completely destroyed in 698, more specifically when the Arab General Hassan ibn al-Nu'man al-Ghassani ( in the name of the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik), conquered the Roman/Byzantine province of Africa Proconsularis ( which was called Ifriqiya by the Arabs).

i'm tunisian and i went to what used to be the spot of the city ... u can see the black layers in the walls which refer to the fires of the roman distraction of the city

@@hannibalbarca8411 Nice! I wanna visit the ruins of Carthage someday. Tunisia has a rich history.

There were only berbers, egyptians and colonists from the Levant and Greece in Northern Africa at the time, the arabic conquests are an entire millenia later As for the Romans they didn't look like Jerry the cashier from Northern England, people were mostly fairly tanned especially during eras prior to ours

@a chinese Muslim Seriously!! 😅 Arabs didn't even rank as "civilization" on that time

@a chinese Muslim You are ignorant racist filth, go get an education and don't bother with videos that are meant for decent people.

@a chinese Muslim I can see who IS crying 😂

@a chinese Muslim The carthaginian empire was mostly consisted of amazigh, canaanites, iberians and some gauls. And if you look at how most modern semitic and amazigh peoples look like today they're pretty much white.

Probably

@Charles Lee Ray to qoute eddie bravo: look into it bro

@Charles Lee Ray they traded with people along the West african coast

@Noah Big boy There's a really cool video from the channel voices of the past that describes Hannos exploration of Africa.

There also must be some integration with the Amazigh peoples, who have lived in that region since ancient times.

Impossible

The United States?

Too many differences and growing commercial competition all over the Mediterranean. Impossible

@Lord Voldemort The Carthaginians were not assimilatable. They would have worked to undermine the Empire from within.

It's an interesting theory, given the phoenicians commerce ability you may have seen caesar invading a britain that was fully mapped out or the establishment of a rome/carthage city state on the indian continent to facilitate trade. You may also have a 4 class system emerge of merchants, soldiers, farmers and slaves. Given the disputes that rocked the roman republic before Caesar though it's quite likely that the rome carthage alliance would have fallen apart to the infighting as someone like Sulla would have been after the Carthaginian wealth to their own gains. (much like why rome wanted to take command of the trade Carthage had in the first place.) Piracy would likely been non existent so caesar wouldn't have been captured on his way to Rhodes and he may have been a scholar not a general he became. Rome would have likely expanded east around the black sea and up the Don and Danube rivers much before they went after Gaul. I think if they did survive a close alliance for time they would have expanded more like the European powers did in the early americas only settling areas with great wealth or area's close to major waterways and then only pushing away from those places slowly. The romans were a bunch of pretty weak sailors as a whole and an alliance would have changed that as water traffic would likely have stymied the romans preference of road building. Likely the romans would have eventually taken over the Carthaginians in some way but a merchant class of Phoenicians may have been absorbed into the roman system in some manner.......

Manos Chiotou my man !

Did the Romans spread salt to carthaginians agricultural lands in order to destroy them , we shall never know

@@kacizoubir7920 ofc it's a legend, there's no evidence that backs it up nor deny it xD but the city was damn well burnt to the very ground

Smart comment

@@aladinbenterzi1315 Romans throw salt to Carthaginian farms,so your comment is accurate

lol, a few years later, they started growing it again. making Tunisia the most wealthiest region in the Mediterranean.

Fun fact: Carthaginian Canaanite language is mutually intelligible with Hebrew. Yes, modern Israeli Hebrew.

@@irfannurhadisatria2540 Todah for lightening me heart. It’s a beautiful lingo like your own! Reminds me of The Byrd’s singing, “And we’ll all go together, to pick wild mountain tyme, a long the purple heather, will ye go lassie go?”

so i'm your favorite general i guess ? 😂

Lord Voldemort True, he had a great phoenician name

@Lord Voldemort .. i actually did xD watching now, not regretting it

@Lord Voldemort thank you, he-who-must-not-be-named!

@Sa- Jdoub - You're right in the sense that Utica is the Latin version of the name, Ityke in Greek transcription, 'TQ in Phoenician (meaning as you say, "old" most likely). However the city was destroyed in 700 and never rebuilt. So it should come from that window between the Punic Wars and the Christian Diocese of Utica.

"Utikan" can also be used to say someone to leave in a rude manner

@@LuisAldamiz Atik (Archaic pronunciation 'Atiq) still means "ancient" in Hebrew, and the two languages were very close, so I think that's pretty good reference.

@@Mrkabrat - But not the primary use, normally you use something like "pikutara!" for that. "Utikan" is like Spanish "el quinto pino", not sure if there's an English equivalent.

@@LuisAldamiz Ive heard it used as "Utikan hemendik!" , the equivalent of "Piss off" in english. Ive never heard it used as "Its far away", and im a native speaker. Maybe its an old basque expression

Carthage = Ghiscari Empire Rome = Valyrian Empire

Qarth is the one based on Carthage (Qart-Hadchet)

@Lord Voldemort Ops, my mistake

@@mezzoedbey3802 Valyria is a mixed case with a heavy influence from Greece. It is regionally identical both with the Greek peninsula of Chalcidice and the southern coast of Peloponnese. Have a read here also, www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4et1d3/spoilers_agot_i_found_the_realworld_valyria/ for some more information. Both cases have historical corroboration when we consider that Ghiscari represents a great power of Essos (or Asia). In the case of Peloponnese, it could be their expedition towards Troy during the Bronze Age, or their defeat of the Persian Empire mainly by Peloponnesians ( upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Map_Greco-Persian_Wars-en.svg ). Then with Chalcidice (in Macedon), we have the case of Alexander the Great's expedition towards much of Essos (or Asia) and the total defeat of the Persian Empire.

@@mezzoedbey3802 The Valyrian Freehold is basically like the Roman Republic but with dragons.

They are closer to arabic

@@ibrasoso8668 Not true, this language is twin sister of Hebrew.

@@jonathanrotem251 bro you speak semetic language or u just talking ???

@@ibrasoso8668 I do, but you can just look up a semitic family tree. Hebrew and Pheonician were the closest, less close to Aramaic, and even more distant to Arabic.

@@ibrasoso8668 Hannibal said "shalom" when he came over the alps, get over it

Oh hey Avery, just saw you at the cold war video

@Lord Voldemort I didn't get the reference, so thanks for that.

Avery the Cuban-American clam down we don’t want to unleash such power upon them

Delende est Cartago.

M H ignorant

Thank you! Cheers!

Aren't you Arabs

@@wankawanka3053 we are a mix between amazigh(berbers) and arab but we speak arabic and carthage was part of our history

I remember it well.

Oliver Burkill good times

All I see is a salt pile.

Beautifully salty.

That murex smell, mmmmm good.

Thank you :)

Hey, at least we're flag buddies 🤣 🇭🇺🇮🇹

His explanation with darkened areas according to who lives there helps a lot.

What’s this language??

@@gurzil6682 the alphabet and the language is Carthaginian And canaanite known as "phoenician" used by Carthaginian And canaanite

@@adimsfromthea828 Thank you for the information ⵜⴰⵏⵎⵉⵔⵜ ⴰ ⵎⵉⵙ ⵜⵎⵓⵔⵜ ❤️

@@gurzil6682 no problème Brother

@@adimsfromthea828 what do you do to type these alphabets. Also not all canaanites use this alphabets only the phoenicians.

They were semitic

@@iverstylen5829 but isn't ancient north african were caucasoid

@@scarymonster5541 Yeah, mostly but not entirely

@@iverstylen5829 k

@@scarymonster5541 Claiming ancient north Africans as Caucasians is and shows immence ignorance on this subject

Phoenicia (Canaan) 🌲🇱🇧❤️

@@theredstonesword9293 Carthage has nothing to do with the Phoenicians

@@nizz32niz it seems you are either high on crack or have no historic knowledge. The Phoenicians founded Carthage. Punic is a descendant of the Phoenician language. The Carthaginian pantheon is derived from the Phoenician pantheon. And Carthaginian culture is mostly a mix of Phoenician with some Berber. Also, if they are not related explain why the Phoenicians refused to conquer the Carthaginians when the Persians were trying to use them to conquer Carthage? And why Carthage paid tribute to Tyre for such a long time.

@@theredstonesword9293 The tomb of Carthage was discovered, and they found the body of a young man. They analyzed the DNA. They discovered a different reality. Here is the article.www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2016-05-ancient-dna-phoenician-carthage-european.amp

@@nizz32niz I already know about the young man of Byrsa and it is easily explainable. Since that haplogroup is found in Iberians and Carthage conquered parts of Iberia they must have mixed with them thus explaining the man inheriting that haplogroup, and also the haplogroup of only one man does not determine the ethnic group of all the Carthaginians. For example 5% of the Lebanese population has Crusader dna, does that make Lebanese Europeans? Of course not. And also, the article calls the man a Phoenician.

It was likely independent development. Sparta likewise had two "kings" supervised by council of elders.

@Noah The Celt Yes, i'm tunisian. But this is not a carthaginian flag, but a berber amazigh one. The letter ⵣ is the symbol of the indigenous people of North Africa, the Amazigh, who are also called berbers. The flag of Carthage however has the sign of Tanit on it. The phoenicians have assimilated with the local people after many centuries and had a shared culture in all domains, like agriculture, fishing, writing, etc. For example, Septimus Severus was an emperor of Rome who was a punic, with both phoenician and amazigh origins. Sadly today tunisians consider themselves as arabs, because they make a confusion between linguistic identity and ethnic identity.

@Noah The Celt As a celt, do you consider that there is this kind of identity crisis in Scotland ? Fun Fact: our national beer in Tunisia is named Celtia

@Noah The Celt Thank you very much for your response

@@SeptimiusAfer240 even if there exist "arabized berbers" who belive they are ethnics arabs (mostly because of modern pan-arabism) that dosen't mine there no arabs in tunisia the poeople that bring "arabization" (maghrebi cultural group) to the region where mostly these hilalians and maqil arabs tribes in there migrating invasion (later defeated by the almohads berbers) so just like the "pheonician" they might have left some of there ancetrey in the region even if great part of population is of berbers ancestry

@@TheSonny3333 Exactly, i could never deny this

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I only know this from Total war rome : carthage campaign omg the nostalgia

@Charles Lee Ray Carthage was miles ahead of Rome during this time . Rome didn't even know how to construct proper seagoing ships and had to steal Carthaginian designs . The Romans achieved very little by themselves , most of their inventions and achievements they stole from other peoples .

@@saltyshanker Does that make them better than other peoples then? They learned to adapt and use other peoples technology against them?

@@Eluxor it makes them Borg.

@@saltyshanker gouvernement and République by Carthage luxury by Carthage navy by Carthage tactique Scipio afric-anus stealed the tactique of Hannibal agriculture techniques by Carthage all Rome have its from Carthage in no way rome is better then Carthage