Thing is both times under Lucas' direction made sense. In episode 3 he was intentionally deforming himself so he could gain sympathy from the senate. And in ROTJ he didn't electrocute himself, he was zapping vader to try and kill him so he wouldn't get yeet. JJ Abrams has no excuse.
@@War450 your ROTJ example makes sense but using his deformed figure as a means to gain sympathy with the Senate is more of a tactic after the fact rather than an initial reason. IDK maybe there’s some book material out there I’m not aware of the elaborates on how Palpatine was thinking of how to play off his fight with Mace Windu to the Senate mid fight with Mace Windu holding a lightsaber over him.
@@Splinter_Fritz It wasn't JUST the senate, it was Anakin too. In the moment he was playing up to Anakin "I'm too weak, please, don't kill me" as he's all deformed and burning. So the first time he zap'd himself it was intentional strategy to win both Anakin and the senate to his side, the second time he did it was an attempt to kill Vader and save his own life. Disney writers are so creatively bankrupt they couldn't figure out WHY Palpatine zap'd himself and just decided to go for a third time without any of the actual story to justify it.
@@War450 I always thought of it as him trying to zap Windu at first, not noticing he could deflect his force lightning, but then rolling with it when he saw he could use it to his advantage somehow, like appearing weak to Ani and playing up his injuries to the Senate
According to the leaks Disney wanted to get away from the controversy of The Last Jedi and make a movie that unified the fandom And they did exactly that - they unified everyone in hatred
Star Wars Episode IX in a nutshell: Rey needs to find the way to Papatine, but to find the way she needs the way finder, but to find the way finder she needs to find a dagger, but she needs help finding a way to the dagger, and once she finds the dagger that helps her find her way to the way finder, she finds that she needs to find someone to find out what the Sith message says, but 3PO won’t translate, so they need to find their way to someone who can…. Also Finn yells a lot.. *REYYYYYYYYYYY!!!*
I love how in the clone wars anakin never met grievous even once in seven seasons because of one dialogue line but in the sequels they straight up ignore major plot points constantly and contradict themselves every second sentence
For real, it should have been in this video; Palps was like "fulfill your destiny and strike me down" to which she says no... only for him to go like "so be it" and then she ends up killing him anyway free of consequence... Absolutelly pathetic writting, who would have even come up with that logic?
@@krixtorei the entire trilogy feels like it was written by a student who goofed off the entire time their essay was due and had to write the whole thing in an hour
@@ninjafrog6966 It feels like a first draft where the author constantly changed his mind what was supposed to happen scene-to-scene but instead of making it make sense in future drafts, he just turned that one in.
I would throw the whole Sequel trilogy in there but especially TLJ. That dumpster fire must be studied in schools as an example of a script that's so fundamentally broken. It snaps at the slightest touch and actively wastes times with stuff that goes nowhere or disrespects the lore/characters.
My “favorite” part about this movie is that scene where Rey touches a dagger that killed at most two people and starts freaking out *WHISLT HOLDING A LIGHTSABER THAT SLAUGHTERED A ROOM FULL OF FRIGHTENED CHILDREN* Meanwhile in Jedi Fallen Order, Cal has a fucking seizure as soon as he touches Trilla’s Lightsaber and blacks out for a while. JJ really couldn’t let the ginger have his own thing, Rey had to have it too
This movie is so dumb. If Palpatine _didn't_ commit suicide then Rey destroyed him, like he wanted her to to transfer his essence. If he committed suicide, then it's part of his plan as he's beaten death before. So either way TROS makes Palpatine win. Cool
@@mcboat3467 Yeah, but You know nobody will be interested in continuing Rey's story unless they make her the villain or have it to where throughout a possible next trilogy that she becomes the Villain although that wouldn't work unless you had other interesting villains and characters to fill the void of two movies. I think it can be done as long as fans and the actors would agree to it and not be forced to
Remember kids, when the story lets you down and you think there’s nothing left to enjoy in your favorite franchise... Look for the memes, memes will always be with you, you can trust them and they won’t let you down...
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance coming back after a decade with it's M E M E S; for example: "Doktor, turn off my cringe inhibitors." "What? Th- this is madness!" "Just do it!" *groans in pain* "Cringe... this is why I fight..."
So anakin after all the suffering and pain died for nothing Grandmaster luke became a coward Grogu is probably dead Rey palpatine is rey...... Skywalker And we have to consider it's canon Ok
Disney really succeeded with the rise of skywalkers goal. For the first time sequel trilogy fans, original trilogy fans, and even prequel fans. All came together in perfect unity Of absolute hatred against the rise of skywalker
The galaxy when Leia asks for help in a small but crucial battle: “No, you’ve lost our trust. We’re done losing our lives for you” The galaxy when some ex-player space hobo asks for help: “LETS GOOOOO!! WHAT, WE GOTTA NAVIGATE SOME INSANE MAELSTROM TO THE STAGING WORLD OF THE SITH AND FIGHT PALPATINE HEAD ON?? PSSSHHHH, NO BIGGIE!!!”
One of the biggest criticisms of the prequels was too much politics. This time around they said no politics at all. They just assumed the fans were stupid and these things didn't need to be explained.
Only theory I could possibly come up with as to how THAT happened is this: Lando and Chewie went to the Core Worlds and issued an ultimatum. Either EVERYONE in the freaking galaxy goes to "Exticle" to fight, or else each and every one of them would suffer "dire consequences". Whether that meant Chewie ripping arms off, or Lando dropping his pants and "doing the Kessel Run" on everybody. And their plan was to do that to everyone they were asking for help. Every. Last. One.
Don't forget that Disney paid $4 billion (yes, with a "B") for Star Wars, but didn't spend a dime on: 1) mapping out their trilogy 2) putting Luke, Leia, and Han in a single scene together 3) listening to Mark Hamill when he said "this isn't my Luke" 4) any level of script quality control If you ever thought you were bad at your job, at least you're not Kathleen Kennedy.
You're wrong. These people are extremely good at their job. Their goal was never to profit from a now dead franchise, but to kill it was their original aim all along. They are destroying every cultural element that gives sane people hope.
@@dondeestaCarterI thought you were going to say that Disney was constantly interfering with it like they did with Wish (if that's even what happened I'm not too well informed on it)
I think most people who hate on the prequel are just jumping on the "prequels we're bad" band wagon/mob mentality. Especially younger ones who already have a predisposition to view them as bad because of what others have said. There are many strong points with some awesome stuff in the prequels. i think the two biggest complaints is Jar Jar Binks and Anakin's acting. (I hate sand) . But there are SO many cool things brought into the SW world thanks to the prequels.
I mean the prequels aren’t great either - saying one thing has problems doesn’t negate the fact the other thing does as well. The prequels were more unified in their vision though - they had good ideas but poor execution - but in the last movie tied everything together decently so they come off slightly better. The sequels also had some good ideas but were disjointed because two people wrote them and they didn’t have a plan so they come off as worse.
The Sequel Trilogy is what happens when you feed all the Expanded Universe & post-ROTJ novels to an AI and then ask it to generate a new Star Wars story.
If they can de-canonice so many Star Wars Legends that fans love and a thousand times more interesting, why cant they de-canonice something fans hate and was rushed and not planned. They didn't even know who Rey was from the very beginning
Disney trilogy is not made for the fans, but for the casual viewers, because it brings them more profit. Someday they will grow their own fanbase which will eat any garbage created by Disney
The biggest disappointment is the The Last Jedi ended in a way that allowed for literally any story to be told going forward. There were no constraints, JJ and co. could wrap this story up in whatever way they wanted. And still...we got The Rise of Skywalker... This dogshit was the story they decided to tell...
Well in my opinion it was The Last Jedi that ruined the trilogy. Destroyed Luke's character, killed off Snoke who was actually interesting, the space casino arc which was nonsensical, Leia being blasted into space then using the force to fly, hyperspace kamikaze, no depth given to any of the main characters and its the second film of the trilogy, it's all just terrible. I don't entirely blame JJ for bringing Palpatine back because with Rian Johnson killing off the biggest villain, he didn't have a whole lot to choose from.
@@verbalkint4258 Snoke is biggest villain? Kylo was always intended to be the main villain, same as Vader in the OT. And Rey and Kylo were given a ton of character development (maybe too much) so at least a few of the main characters got development. Just sad Finn didn't get the same treatment
I remember walking out of the theater in December of 2019 feeling pretty happy, and that while it wasn't perfect it was still pretty good. It wasn't much later I went back and re-watched the original trilogy again and realized "holy shit...all three of the new films are so terrible!" And not in a good/bad way like the prequels, that have a lot of unintentional comedy, I mean just bad. Sure, some of the visuals in the new ones are breath-taking, but when you take that away, you're left with an empty husk of a story inside of a pretty shell. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go re-read the legends comics about Jason Solo etc., to remind myself what could've been.
TFA was actually pretty good imo. I just liked it as a “set up” film to what would be better films. But after episodes 8 and 9. TFA is just unwatchable because of what happens in 8 and 9.
@@sokit2em it definetly set up a few good points, but in some ways it also wrote the whole sequel trilogy into a corner, for example, Rey being too powerfull to begin with. But then, the Kylo, Finn, Snoke, Pow, etc etc stories could have gone literally anywhere, hell even Rey being so powerfull could have been fix if you think about it. Such a shame how it all ended
I love that just yesterday I thought "man, it was fun to make fun of how bad the sequel trilogy was. sad that all videos about it are old now" you read my mind and delivered 😂
Weird how Palpatine could never stop shooting lightning. Like in ROTS, he couldn't stop shooting lightning at Mace even every single bolt is deflected back into his face. And in ROTJ, how he shoots it randomly into the air rather than running away from Vader.
I never thought bout this probably coz when you’re getting electrocuted the muscles tend to cramp and make it hard to move but honestly that just sounds too weak of an explanation for the ol mighty palpatine lol
I'd adding this video to my favourites just for mentioning that throwing Ben's lightsaber into the ocean was a f-ing bad idea. On top of, you know, wiping out all the Skywalkers, in a story they just decided to call The Skywalker Saga no less... Awesome editing too OMG (just like your other videos by the way)
@@monmothma3358 Ah another prequel hater, the prequels were decent movies. You can't tell me you didn't enjoy Darth Maul, Jango Fett, the clone army, Count Dooku, Yoda vs Palpatine, Anakin vs Obi-wan and the fall of the jedi order. Honestly Revenge of the Sith is one of the best Star Wars movies of them all friendly on who you ask.
@@Ace_of_Horns Glad you enjoy them. Actually, I'd say I'm a sequel hater, and a prequel disliker. That is, I like a lot of the ideas of the prequels. Such as a dictator wannabe tricking people into electing him, and someone turning bad out of fear of loss. Lucas had some great ideas and visions, he was just horrible at executing them. He hadn't directed a movie since 1977. Storytelling and dialogue were beyond horrible. What Disney did, however, was worse. Those movies have better acting and effects. Dialogue at least sounds human. But there were no visions whatsovever, no road map, no story they wanted to tell. They just wanted to make Star Wars because they could, and to cash in. There is just no excuse for that. It's baffling.
@@monmothma3358 Prequels are literally the best star wars movies but ok. And they definitely have a better and more interesting story than "haha white robe blue sword gud black robe red sword bad"
Five phrases to fix this movie - 3po remembers prequels, key plot point - Finn and Jenna lead stormtrooper revolution - Rey saves ben with senate powers, sacrifices - Anakin vs Sidious - Ben Skywalker
Other than C3PO expressly having his memory wiped in Ep3 the rest of it definitely works. I have 1 phrase to fix Rise: Have RJ come back to do Episode 9 instead of JJ.
0:50 Even just watching this scene where Poe has green and red flashes zipping past his cockpit yet outside there isn’t a single shot being fired gets me irritated. It’s like they were too lazy to even think about what was going on on screen but HURR DURR FLASHY LIGHTS must make it good, right?
0:15 So... uh... my takeaway from this is that the Original Trilogy is Rebel propaganda, obviously it did not occur as shown since Death Star II was not completely pulverized in an explosion... … … Yeah, that's my takeaway from this.
Not sure what part of Da WaEfinder annoyed me more: Putting all that time and effort into getting it because there's only 1 of 2 in existence obtainable only for that mega fleet to get there just fine anyway or the fact that the key to it's location was a dagger, that predates the story by a long ass time and was apparently also made into a map that lined up to debris of the death star.
2:08 I didn't realize she was holding the dagger and was confused thinking, isn't that the point she's trying to get across? Oh wait, the dagger. (I've only seen all the sequel trilogy in once in theaters each (well, twice in theater for TFA).
@@om3gared66 no jedi in any film or show has ever been shown to levitate. They are able to use the force to move other objects but fly themselves? Never.
My friend was like “I don’t think I saw that one what happened?” My response “what didn’t happen?” And then I tried to explain what happened and we both started laughing uncontrollably as I went over the plot points
Writers and directors just love making random prequels/sequels to Sci-Fi franchises that end up ignoring all the Lore or messing up the universe in some way.
"Will hyperfans talk about it online, keeping the perception Disney wants?" "Yes." "PUT IT IN, OH MY GOD PUT IT IN" Why do I see an energetic powerful trailer and hope yet again for a good movie? I want to see competent filmmaking again. Not a studio that strategizes for sustained popularity via a toxic social media fanbase.
Yeah! We've seen palpatine force choke people before in like Clone wars I think when he fights maul and Savage along with I think Starkiller as well if I'm not mistaken
Fun fact: not only this movie is against all the themes, rules and stuff made by the first two trilogies, and has no complete sense, but it's also full of errors and fails (i mean if we consider the movie itself as if it was the only film in the saga), for example: - in episode 8 rey's lightsaber was broken by rey and kylo, but it was never fixed - kylo's tie was stolen by rey on the death star, so how did he get out of the planet? - Palpatine's plan is not clear and has no sense at all - The last army of destroyers was commanded by one single radar... Now if we consider everything wrong with this movie this text would be 100k lines long xd
My favorite part was when the wayfinder, an object much older than deathstar 2, perfectly predicted the shape of the wreckage and position of the observer.
Well... No, Papatine only had the super star destroyers by the end of episode V So about 30-50 years old only Does this make sense? No, but it’s in the books and guides and stuff, which aren’t worth buying unless you want a comedy
Really doing anything after RotJ was never going to work. The EU tried that already to mixed success. Star Wars is at it's core a fantasy series, and Episode 6 was the 'happily ever after' ending the story was building up to. The Sequels are just unimaginative cash-grabs that coast by heavily on nostalgia for the OT. The equivalent of those DtV Disney sequels.
I didn't think the EU were too bad. Uneven, but I enjoyed a lot of them. Though they couldn't have made those stories into film (because the actors were too old), it could have been a lot better than what we got.
I think The Last Jedi is the best thing we got from the ST. It could have been a good trilogy if Rian helmed all 3 as it would have been his vision from beginning to end.
You wanna know a true flaw of Episode 9 that I don’t see brought up much, Kylo Ren somehow managed to fly to Exegol in an Imperial Tie Fighter that’s canonically not built with a hyperdrive.
Instead of the lightsaber, Kylo should have destroyed his mask at that part, it would have been just as effective at showing him turning from the dark side.
- MOOOOM, I building the protocol droid for you, do you want me to download a Sith translator program for you? - Yes Anakin. - Do you want the droid to change voice when it talking the Sith stuff? - Yes, thank you, and make the eyes glow red. - It comes from the Sith App Mom.
