I would have to say Jordan and Scott make an excellent tag team. It is good to see them present the well executed design/engineering choices as well as those that could be "better executed" to put it kindly. Gold star for you guys!
It shows there isn't the usual accountant interference normally taken to the point of overall total control, to the detriment of the product, but they need a LITTLE more "interference", or Rivian may not succeed. The most important thing is cost comparison analysis between different options &/or how easily different manufacturing options are to change out, further down the road if problems occur.
Nicely done, Scott and Jordan. Very informative, with the right amount of explanation for non-engineers. Not sure if you work from a loose script and practice the hand-offs -- you probably don't have time for that -- but the flow and interplay are terrific. Props to the camera person for keeping it steady, properly aimed, and in focus. All of that is not easy when the guys are crawling around the vehicle and pointing out shiny items at different distances. This is one of the best tear-down videos I've seen.
Ever wonder why it’s called a dashboard? Dash is an old noun and verb that describes the dirt that was “dashed” off of horses’ hooves as they pulled carriages. A panel was made to block the debris for the driver. Anther interpretation is it block wind when horse is “dashing” as in running fast
The correct term for what Scott was pointing to is FIREWALL (he did state that it "used to be called firewall, but is now called dashboard". I disagree. The dashboard is the structure over the instrument panel extending forward to the interior base/bottom of the windshield.
@@johnbuchman4854 I’m just speaking to the etymology of the word dashboard/dash (often people refer to the instrument panel as the “dash” too, not just the horizontal covering). I’m not saying what he pointed out isn’t or wasn’t called a firewall for the whole history of ICE vehicles. I know that the firewall isn’t the dashboard. Them talking about names of things evolving, like calling the firewall a dash panel now, made me remember when I questioned, “why is a dashboard even called a dashboard?”, and looked it up.
Is "shotgun" also taken from the horse-and-carriage days? When I was growing up we'd always call "shotgun" for the front seat and it was because back in the days someone would ride in front and carry a shotgun to prevent robberies.
@@mjlee177 indeed it is! And in the word shotgun itself. It’s called “shot”gun because it’s a gun that shoots round pellets called “shot”, originating from the fact that all early firearm projectiles were round balls as opposed to the more modern bullet shape. The word shot itself comes from an old German word that sounded similar. It just meant basically any projectile that was meant “to shoot“
Very interesting video. I thought we'd come across the most relaxed member of the Munro team in Jordan, but now Scott appears so relaxed he's almost horizontal. And it makes for great communication and conversation of the subject. Clearly, you show how the Rivian R1T is in a manufacturing evolution. Well done guys.
Nice of Sandy & Cory give chance to the behind the scene experts do the videos..Way to Go Munro Live.. Might grow in having their own channels in the future.
Geez, ton of areas for galvanic corrosion of the aluminum. Many locations where combo of water, road salt/chemicals, steel/aluminum will combine for corrosion. Excellent free transfer of hard work based Munro IP. Thank you for helping us consumers know the inside scoop.
" Not working thru the joint process is an extremely nice way to say.......I can't say it" Is that aluminum foil tape and sealer? Having worked for over 40 years in the automotive industry that maybe ok for a recall repair but not production. I heard it in your voice....you know what I mean. Thank you for another outstanding video. Your being kind to Rivian is understandable.
Still crazy how many flak Tesla got for minor things like rubber door seals and a home depot door ridge for a 12V battery rail and then you see crap like this being used and nobody bats an eye.
The more I watch Munro, the less likely I am to buy something that I cant see in the this detail. I love to see the build quality on something that no one not even a mechanic let alone the consumer would ever see. Thank you guys for posting these reviews, the manufacturing side of the product is awesome, like a more nerdy How its Made.
More importantly, if Munro aren’t taking it apart, it’s so aged in its design it’s probably not worth considering. Nobody wants a VW Golf benchmarking anymore. 😂
Interesting point. 20 years ago I looked inside a crash damaged Audi A4. The design was state of the art in its day that filtered down to todays Golf etc. I was stunned by the amount of bolts holding the Bulkhead/A post/dashboard together. It was solid enough but a huge weight in fasteners alone. Not to mention the factory labour to install everything. My “cheap” little Fiat is 10 years old has a tubular steel fabrication behind the bulkhead which seriously stiffens the A post area. The bare structure hidden by a plastic dash cover retained by relatively few screws.
Sandy - This is such a great early-stage BIW instructional video that it might allow you to consider delaying some tear-downs until the plant has gotten to mass-production - esp the CyberTruck! (You could refer back to this one for anyone wanting this background.) When you get to the CT on the rack, I hope you’ll compare its rear suspension w/ the Ram 1500 in your video comparing it so favorably w/ the Chevy & Ford trucks! My son has that 1500 - seeing its suspension up close, wow, “A thing of beauty is a joy forever.” 😂
Great job gentlemen! Every time I watch these videos, it makes me want to tear down a car before I buy it. However, the dealership may not appreciate it. LOL. I hope that everyone at Monroe and Associates has a safe weekend. Take care. :)
I miss Sandy’s “negitive” view, or call it critical view. I'm not seeing the “pushback” Sandy has. My focus with this comment is to encourage Monroe and Associates professionals to objectively see, and pushed back at the same time. Love your work !!!
I feel like recently Sandy is pushing back less and less anyways. I do miss that critical standpoint too. Tesla does a lot of good things, but they also still do many things wrong. Let's assess those and discuss about it.
Great BiW video, very interesting. As someone who lives in salt country, I'm pretty concerned with some of the water incursion and rust considerations on the frame. I would have loved a little bit more focus on the foil tape(?!) sealed with butyl/tar that were pointed out in the video, and a few more I saw around the C-pillar that were skipped. Is it me or is that pretty surprising to see on a production vehicle? I'd love for an eventual teardow of an R1T after a year or so to see if these have been addressed with running changes.
Nice review. If I can say one thing I wish you covered is how you think Rivian should improve their product at the same time; it is a nice educational addition.
Jordan nailed it, after watching Munro Live I'll never look at OEM cars as being perfect from the factory. Seems like over the years OEM's have become quit clever in hiding mistakes and giving you bud light in a champagne bottle.
Lol….. hiding what!? And also how does it help them to hide something!? This is a truck and trucks actually are made to be modified so your comment is wrong!!!
Great team. It would be nice to trace the bed covers travel as it retracts. I wonder if the equipment tunnel is designed to help with the travel and / or maintenance.
These are fun to watch, Munro has an amazing crew who have all the technical expertise but are also very good at presenting on camera! That glob of glue looks like an afterthought but I guess it doesn’t have any affect for the user. What is hidden, it doesn’t exist I guess 😀
Rivian has been showing off videos of trucks on the course at their facility that drive through an atificial "pond" that gets to about 4 feet deep or so. So a comparison to "typical" vehicles probably is not appropriate. This was designed and built to be a semi-amphibious vehicle so that explains why they were so methodical with their sealants. As far as Cybertruck goes... by the time a Cybertruck actually rolls off the line, Munro will probably have to get a second Rivian to tear down to compare them.
Tesla is going to surprise the critics in 2023. It took nearly 4-years but it’s finally going into production next year. Elon finally stopped fiddling with the final design and specifications.
@@mini2nut67 or rather: 1) they finally have enough batteries at low enough cost and high enough quality to do the Cybertruck and Semi, 2) there was more demand for Model 3 and Y than expected so it made sense to scale up their production and delay the introduction of the CT and Semi.
It will be interesting if Rivian takes a hint like Tesla did and adapts to the input you've given. The chassis/body hads the same basic issue of being way too many parts combined that makes for inevitable inaccuracies in assembly. If they could take a page from Tesla's playbook with a Giga Press and turn those hundreds of parts into a casting or two... they'd have a much more accurate chassis/body that is stronger and lighter and would cost less to built in the long run. Iguess this will work if you are only planning on building 10's of thousands of vehicles per year, but if they plan on millions, they have a long way to go.
Curious if you have any thoughts on the glass roof. I see reports that customers are having issues with the roof cracking and issues with the roof breaking under what seems like minimal force.
I would like to see you guys make comparisons of the Rivian Computer Unit in comparison with the Tesla model Y or Model S computer unit on your next video 👍👍👍
@@deahelkcunklaer2180 Yes, I got that email too...hopefully next year. We did a tonneaulectomy to remove 3 stuck panels and open the back entirely. That's works for us until they can get the new design to us.
Hi guys . Wow nice surprise the two chaps talking in-depth actually I wasn’t shure they would work well to But what a surprise❤ congratulations fab team work . Love how they say to camera man hear get in there look . I would give your show today 90% cos would of been 100% can we honestly explain two different metals namely steel and alloy how they are fixed and how a oem are maitagating early corrosion as I now two different metals touching is bad .. have mentioned this in the past please 🙏🏾 🙏🏾 would you do a mini ep about this I guarantee that your views would love thanks again . By the way the Rivian stripped down really honestly doesn’t look a strong structure but it is am shure 🎉❤🙏🏾🪫🔋⚡️🙌🏾🫶🏽✌🏾🤜🏽
Yikes! I can see why they are having trouble with cost. The gear tunnel door is ridiculous and the massive hinge assembly??? Yes, the firewall mounted devices will be fun to install.
Per the excessive use of sealers.... it is probably because this vehicle is *INTENDED* to be able to be a semi amphibious vehicle. Their testing course at their facility includes a section where the vehicles drive through what looks like at least 4 feet of water. So the comparison to typical vehicles is probably not appropriate here. And maybe a comparison to other amphibious or semi amphibious vehicles is more appropriate.
Don’t be shy in saying like and subscribe: Munro is making a business investment in this, saying like and subscribe is just sales. If every ethical business was shy to do sales, they’d all go bankrupt
Hey guys, Can you comment on the sound dampening materials that were used to sound dampen road and engine noise. The vehicle has a relatively loud Engine whine in the cabin and road noise dampening is not that great.
Thanks, Scott and Jordan. Very informative. Like Smarter Than You, I too am wondering what vehicles you may be saying have a thousand inches of sealer versus three thousand. I ask because the R1T does have a pretty aggressive wading spec. I'm not sure, but I'm remembering 43 inches. When you say that vehicles of the same type as the R1T have one thousand inches of bead, are they spec'ed at 43 inches or thereabouts of wading depth?
Sorry Sandy but this is what I expect watching "Munro Live" not that Bad one on EV Design as you would say that is a piece of "CRAP" (LOL)! To Jordan & Scott GREAT JOB really enjoyed the video!
Lol are you a kid!? This is a truck not a hideous sedan! Trucks are also made to be modifiable! Therefore a casting or other nonsense large single part ruins everything tbh!
That’s also exactly how vans works! They have many different sub components but offers about dozens of different configurations possible! You’re welcome.
Hi Jordan , has the convention fire Wall has we known it in ice vehicles moved to the fire flooring in A Ev vehicles to protecting occupants in the event of battery fire ?
There is already a number of layers of metal between the battery and the occupants, in which way are you interpreting the risk of fire from the battery?
@@userscott did you notice that the model Y and model 3 body in white have no floor before the batteries pack is installed, so technically the structure batteries pack formed a fire barrier from the passenger compartment.
Great informational vid..Can you comment in general for full size trucks (ICE or EV) what would be the implications (manufacturing, compromises in other areas..) of having a reclining back seat(s) in all these vehicles.. It baffles me that this option is not available in 2022 for Crew Cab trucks. Maybe the Cybertruck will be the exception. Btw those orange straps holding the Rivian cargo tunnel are from Harbor Freight..
"seems trite, but when the Cybertruck (Elon Musk/Tesla) comes into production, and you guys can get ahold of one to breakdown, i think that would be the most interesting comparison between old (ice)(galvanized steel) and new (ev)(stainless steel)(structural battery pack/giga casting front+rear frames) trucks. Pretty sure Elon will eliminate 500 to 1000 of those pesky spot welds (from those infinite pesky spot welding robots)(heck, lots less parts too!)"
Nonsense!!! You mean the cybertruck will be just like a model 3 a totally unmodifiable truck!? Wtf!!!!!! Trucks have always been made to be super easy to modify that’s why you see a Toyota hilux converted into RV, 6x6 or for many other applications like ambulances…….
Less parts means totally riubbish vehicle! How are trucks guys going to cut/weld and modify it!? Not everyone wants a pickup truck/pavement princess with castings…..
@@alanmay7929 see umm... i was talking about simplifying the manufacturing process (engineering standpoint), not adding/deleting the ability to add personal modifications. Single pieces are always stronger thank spot welding a thousand galvanized steel parts with 10,000 spot welds. Don't take it personally. If that gigacasted part saves a thousand lives, maybe you might retract that criticism.
@@jaydeister9305 I don’t take anything personally I just look at the history of things! All those new EVs are going to get old one day or maybe exported to foreign countries like always and tell me how people are going to repair/maintain those cars with single giant parts!? There is a reason why those old cars are still on the roads because ease of repairs and mods.
The Honda Ridgeline and essentially every passenger car are the same. Flats are now pretty rare, so unloading for access isn't that big a deal. It may even be easier to unload the bed than to get underneath for the traditional under-bed spare.
@@keithmiller4168 several of us with kids who bought these trucks before seeing them in person. The leg room is quite bad and reflective of a psudeo back seat in sports cars for kids.
When you watch this it is crystal clear WHY even a minor fender bender will cost you a cool $41,000. We see no real consideration in this design for the kind of dings and damage a real truck out in the wild and on the streets will face. They keep using "beefy" and "reinforcement" but ANY hit of even a small kind will result in a massive amount of repair to fix. This is not remotely a rugged work or off road vehicle...,besides the now well known serious limitations of any kind of EV ....
Um Urso ou um tigre ou um leão e os maiores como rinoceronte, hipopótamo, elefante, o boi almiscarado ou búfalo americano, o alce, o calibu, se forçarem essas colunas as entortariam elas não aguentariam um choque ou um empurrão o que me dizem!!!
It's lighter than the Lightning although it is more of a mid sized truck compared to the Ford. Still can't get around the weight of a battery pack to give 300 plus miles.
@@ohger1 of course rivian is going to refine their design and use more aluminum just like others. You totally forgot that the hummer EV weights 9000lbs
You wear were careful, not say it. Rivian R1T body is horribly bad engineering. That body has hundreds of patches, brackets, weldings etc. If you compare that body with Tesla Y, it has at least 100 times the number of parts. It must be very expensive to manufacture and very slow to build. Body + frame doesn't make it any better. It is strong, but very complicated.
The ford f series trucks can be easily modified into an RV, bus, ambulance, rescue vehicles, overlanding rig…… and traditional ICE trucks can have auxiliary fuel tanks for tousands of mile of range
@@markplott4820 Tesla lacks any innovation since they made the model 3 from 2017. Then just came out with concepts while scamming customers. Collecting deposits for products that won't be released.
Munro team seem to work well with each other. Many engineers sometimes difficult to work in team with compromises. Everyone seems to have great personalities. Great summary review
It is interesting to compare the R1T BiW to an early Tesla Model 3. I give Rivian props for good execution on an early unit of a low production volume vehicle. Rivian seems to have fewer assembly gaffes compared to Tesla. Though I will say 3,000 linear inches of adhesive is a lot.
The gear-tunnel with the "overengineered" lids shall add immense torsional stiffness to the body. The stiffness of the bay-doors and the conical mating with the tunnel is crucial for this.
Great video! Thanks Scott and Jordan. Given the size of the pickup market Rivian still has time to polish details to be well placed in the market. Probably never going to see one in the right hand drive market but who knows, with Toyota still asleep this is always going to turn heads.
Thanks Scott and Jordan and the videographer - with steady hands. Good communications and solid engineering design details and methods of producing the drop tub beneath the storage floor.
