The RV Battery Has Evolved: Stop Wasting Money on Battle Born Lithium 

It's not necessarily "wasting" money. Battleborn is a US based company. Their factory is ~20 minutes from my house. I know people who work there. It's not necessarily a "waste" to support a local company that you know will take care of you over throwing money overseas. Is it more money? Yeah, but that's why I drive an American car. I try to support businesses that have good working conditions for Americans.

Wil Prouse loved this battery and gave it a great review. Said it was well suited for RV and mobile applications.

Competition is good. It helps keep prices down. That looks too much for my needs but I am glad to see it entering the market.

That Anderson connector is extremely common for electric warehousing equipment such as forklifts. Great for the ability to quickly connect or disconnect a battery.

Looks like a very good product. Thank you for the video.

That giant Anderson power-pole connector is quite common on electric forklifts in factories

Great on batteries thank you Brian and Ben for explaining about the batteries on how long they last.

There been recently a big change in trolling motor batteries. The price is about half of what it use to be. Some now have bluetooth, low temp rprotection and 500A surge, etc... Love it. In factt I just bought a 100AH and it was cheaper than what I paid for a 55AH battery 4 years ago. And it is in the size 24 format.

OH DANG...this is gonna shake up the Lithium Industry. Amazing power/price on these. And options. Hopefully they will quickly drive down the competition prices. Solar cells are already pretty affordable. This could be a game changer for solar-lithium systems in general.

I am an engineer that designs power electronics. For fun, I designed and built a large portable LiFePO4 system for my RV. The component cost was a fraction of Battle Born an still probably 50% less than the battery in this video....which shows how they have a business. Obviously, not everyone wants to design their own BMS and management software like I did, so this is a great choice in that it is complete and affordable with all the features needed for RV use.

Love the build quality, Saw Will Prowse open it up... high end for sure. QUESTION: Plans for 48V 100Ah in similar casing? Changing over in a marine enviroment

What is your recommendation for storing Lithium rv batteries when not in use during cold winter months?

The Andersen plug is showing up more and more on RVs as a way to more quickly charge battery banks from tow vehicles given lithium batteries can take a higher and faster charge. The standard 7 pin is just not enough to fully charge a large battery bank while driving. I’ve seen videos and articles of people charging a 600+ ah system in 90 minutes of their tow vehicle. That is a sweet configuration.

Hey Brian - Special thanks for your well thought out vids, and for introducing us to new, game-changing tech. I was literally mapping out a (used) Tesla battery upgrade for my rig, when I happened across your Epoch reviews. This battery seems to deliver all that the Tesla has, and so much more, without bridges, patches, or voided warrantees. Based on your reviews, I snagged 2 of the 12v 460ah batteries, and I used the Black Friday promo code to get an additional15% off. Sweet deal!!! I'm also hoping to do an assisted DIY with Ben from Catalyst Connected Living, and already dropped him an email on his site to hopefully work something out when we head to Florida next month for the Tampa Super show. Again, many thanks!

Question on a class a currently running agm chassis bat and two reg lead deep cells what else is needed to replace the house with this one? I heard alternator should be changed as well as the converter.

Whew, thanks for this video! I was just about to buy FOUR battleborn gamechangers for my van. On your comparison, you need to add $100 to the BB is you want them heated, which is even more!

We can't find the video on that battery installing the small trailer where is it please😊

It's great and I hope they are make more of these solutions

Have any of the builders of these batteries got past the issue of cold charging issues? I live in northern Illinois and the Lithium batteries do not charge below 32'f. I know they have battery heaters, but that also drains the batteries as well. It gets to -14f/-18'f in the winter here.

Brands will always lead the way and higher prices to recover their research and development. Then the copy cats can begin at typically much lower prices. Happens across most industries.

Anderson connectors are designed for high-amp applications. You can have large cables but if the disconnect or connectors between them don't make good contact and can't support the required amperage then you'll have problems. Anderson connectors solve that issue. As for these Epoch batteries... I would like to buy one or 2 for my next build unless a much lighter solid state battery comes out in the meantime which compares in price & performance.

I have been studying solar system for a long time trying to get a knowledge of understanding. Please note I'm not an engineer in anyway and quite often I'm just wrong . So understand I'm not saying anything is wrong with this well constructed system, but trying to understand from my point of knowledge. Noticed you had a Vicktron product .Yea I like there products as well. The charge controller 150/70 amp unit to me would seem to case clipping. I hope I used that word correctly but your panels would produce power at a point that your charge controller would have reach it maximum charge input . So any additional current would not be used or stored. I think I would consider using maybe two of the same charge controllers, so much so if you add more panels as well . I have seen that 2 400 watt solar panels caused clipping connected to a 50 amp charge controller. I have also seem a 220 watt solar panel that was rated at 24vdc have an output up to 36 to 38vdc. This is the reason that I think I could be right. I wish I had the equipment in front of me so that I would not possible be making a fool out of myself but I do not . I believe as a charge controller reached clipping the temperature would also increase very high as well . This would effect the total output wattage as well of the charge controller , but again my option at this point . What can I say this is a really great put together system . I'm thinking of putting something close to this in my own RV. I guess the problem is I would like to do it myself. So not like a lot of other people I have to study and ask questions and I'm thankful for you time. A few other question if you would not mind ? Thinking you said the Vicktron Quattro has 50a output. Does it have 250v single phase ? If not with one inverter can this be achieved with two inverter with a output current of 50 a per leg ? Also you stated that the vicktron servo GX up loaded to Vicktrons Dashboard then could be viewed from your smart phone. The question why wasn't this information incorporated into the Quattro its self ? I can guess this equipment is made in China. I do not like the fact that another country know where I'm at all time and how much power I'm generating. Plus the fact this leaves it open for hacking. I know Vicktron has a secured site but its not Vicktron USA I worry about personally myself . Does the Quattro have a generator start/stop function . I can only guess yes since you ran the wires already, but again you could put in a separate modular to do this as well . Thank you for your time so much Jeff. P.S I tried to reply at five2go.com/discord but just never had much luck with A.I. type reply myself it has to be me and my 8 bit brain.

Thank you, FYI I have lived off grid for 21 years, am on my third solar 48 Volt system with a lead acid battery pack, batteries cost $20,000 in 2016.......after eight years with the lead acids new batteries are daily on my mind......thank you for this video, the world of batteries is certainly getting very interesting with the prices coming down........four of these Epoch batteries will be less than half the cost compared to 2016.....wonder how the lithium batteries will actually age??

That connector is used widely in the tow truck industry. It’s how we connect our jumper cables when boosting someone. They work great

Anderson Power Poles are universal. You can put those connectors on your existing system to make it easy to disconnect for maintenance.

I have 2 marine batteries on my travel trailer. Can I substitute those for this one?

It is an interesting product. I ended up going with sun fun kits for my class b rv. Two batteries....total of 600 amp hours. 2,300 for the two. Yes you can build your own but in this case i wanted a usa company that could help me with warranty and support. It also fits into my existing battery holders under the rv. Works very well. Has all the same features. Lower price per kWh. But it is not one unit like this one. As others note...and ive built 8 batteries on my own...if you want you can build your own with grade a everything for much less. I am building 12 volt units, in a nice box, using eve 304 grade a cells, 200 amp bms with bluetooth and heating for 600 dollars....just shy of 4,000 watts...so...call it 15 cents.

Holy Moly! I have six 270’s from BattleBorn and would switch in a heartbeat if I could…..

Use the Anderson connector cable for a battery disconnect and get another to connect to your buss bar because you will need to up-size the buss bar for this battery's output capability

that plug is for lift trucks like the one Home Depot has in their store it plug in to a charger

ANDERSON POWERPOLE CONNECTORS are a standard in most portable/Emergency installations. They are not Marine specific and are not waterproof. They are used anywhere a connections must be connected and disconnected on a regular basis. ex. Jumper connections to car batterys and the like.

I am building a system myself. These are nice, but I am having trouble looking past the 12v 100 amp Power Queen batteries at $220 each.

You can get 100ah batteries from Power Queen for less than $270 each. That means 500ah for $1350. That’s a lot less than $2,000.

Anderson plugs allow your alternator to charge your batteries while driving. It will only work if you wire your alternator to charge it.

The sound is really low on this video. Would this battery fit below the stairs in our Class C RV?

what kind of test have you done on this battery

I would love to know your thoughts on the peel and stick walkable solar panels that have came out?

Definitely interesting. Definitely better than battleborns. Gonna install one next week and see how it works out.

By all accounts, Battle Born makes really good batteries. While others have dropped prices, BB hasn't and they aren't cheap. These seem like good batteries. but there are less expensive options also, especially if DIY.

is this something that would potentially replace the Generator on a coach?

is the wire pure copper? or just copper clad alu wire? what does the inside of this battery look like? has Will Prouse looked into this unit?

The battery in this video can you put four of them in Ceres and come up with 48 volts? I know not all lithium batteries have that ability

Is a Victron smart shunt still needed with one of these, or is that functionality built into this battery?

I saw the Victron inverter installed laying down on its back, NOT RECOMMENDED FOR best air flow and keeping it cooler, it should be installed upright.

I'm moving on to 48v batteries.

460Ah Capacity 300A Max Continuous Discharge (500A 30s Discharge) 230A Max Continuous Charge (300A 10s Charge) Hmmm.. I see conflicting specs on the website. Is it 230 or 300 continues? Continues discharge is very important for big inverters. In some cases 2 smaller batteries in parallel are better.

I know you guys were just spitballing but worth noting the specs. If you’re staying at 12v, max is 4 in parallel. Just in case someone has thoughts of going really big, food for thought.

It's a blast to learn new things. I think I was born a half a century to soon.

I bought my battle born batteries a little over 2 years ago and I understand what your saying about the current prices but, I must say my batteries have been great and no problems ever 😊 there are a lot more choices now so I would recommend doing a lot of research.

Will the internal heater work well enough to mount this outside the camper and if so how low can you go on the outside temps?

Hey I love this product and would love to see your friends 48vdc system. Great price with super options love the package that it comes in. I'm thinking will install my system in 2 months and would need 4 of these batteries. I have a 40' class A and would like to never have to worry about shore power and yes I have an 8kw diesel generator.. I like the fact at 48vdc only one step up is needed to 110vac. Have you done anything with the Vicktron 250/50 ?

Forklift connections on those cables

Wow. Wish this had been available 2 years ago. I have too much invested in my current system. This is a Game Changer!

Does this battery have any UL certification. Safety design review.

The price of these batteries keeps falling , just bought 2 more 12v 100ah lifepo4 batteries $300 each 😮😊😊

How many life cycles is the expectancy

Why not wait until this new product has a TRACK RECORD. The Battle Born people have earned their reputation.

Any issues puttingbin series to get 24v ?

Sounds good but I think more testing needs to be done.

Could you use these batteries to power your home and how many can you connect together?

What do you guys think about the new Sodium Ion batteries coming soon?

How accurate is that battery monitor, really? At least when being charged by solar panels in a real world setting.

What makes this better than the $1000 EG4 400Ah battery? IP, heating and 60 extra Ah. Anything else to highlight? Thanks!

This is a game changer.

Holy shnikes- Epoch batteries seriously has a sweet line up!

Interesting it is a very similar size and form factor and connectors even to the Renogy Rego 400. It’s on sale for $1649 but regular $1999 as I recall. Now I’m curious if they’re both buying these from the same factory in China. The Victron connection whoever did the extra work for that is a huge plus to this battery assuming it was done well. Unfortunately, these guys don’t seem to have a Canadian distributor so only good for the US at the moment. Will start to keep an eye on these guys, thanks for the heads up!

what is the BMS max charge and discharge? max number in parallel? max number in series?

The 105 AH actually looks affordable for me. It’s twice what I’d pay for my regular AGM, but i go through AGM batteries A LOT. It would be nice to have some kind of blind testing though, i hesitate to trust completely in people that have a referral link. I will look into it further and come back here if i order

Anyone still buying battleborn is just 100% uniformed. Besides all the lfp batteries out there that are way cheaper you can just easily build your own. I just bought 3 lfp modules at 43kwh each. They need a little modification to make them 51.2v but for 12,000.00 dollars and some diy I got 2500ah! Never going to buy a "brand" battery ever again.

Thanks guys, i love you ❤Scam artist people are everywhere and should be punished. Keep up your great work. You remind me of Scotty Kilmer auto mechanics guy on RU-vid. Keep it simple and safe. 🙏🏼🙏🏼

that's a great idea for simple, quick, convenient rv installation. HOWEVER!!! I can say it's nearly 2x more expensive than you can do with lithium server rack batteries, 400ah 12v is around 1100$

This is cool, but it isn’t cheap. You could get two 200ah of a different brand for half this cost. You would have to buy some accessories, but it wouldn’t cost $1000 extra to add them.

LiFePO4 is the way to go for an RV battery. It can sit fully charged and not degrade like the earlier LiPO batteries.

Interesting, I just replaced my battery for $109.27 from Autozone on my 2019 28' TT. The original battery lasted 6 years based on its manufactured date. I can run everything except AC for about 58 minutes. I am trying to understand why a $2k battery for some of these rigs? I guess I am just missing it. Now I don't have solar panels on my trailer. Is this what it's for? I am just trying to understand the use of this thing...

Maybe a crazy question but does this run a solar system on an RV

I wonder how I could use this on a moose hunting trip. It would be nice to have power without a generator making noise.

Wait til grapheme batteries get in production. Much higher charging rates and low temperature profiles. Plus better environmental issues.

There must be a price war going on. Since EV's have pulled back on manufacturing all those lithium batteries need to go somewhere. I bought 4 - 12 volt 280 AH batteries from Eco-Worthy. For $1999. I went to 24 volt so I have a 480 AH battery bank. They are about the 8d size and they will fit in the battery compartment of many Class A's out there. I also saw a 12 volt 300 AH for $500. I almost bought a new set of T105's and decided to look at lithium again. Bought through Amazon. Supposedly my battery has a 200 amp BMS but it has no controls on the battery. Thanks for the video.

Is there any off gassing?

My friend told me Lithium battery prices will go down over time. Battle Born is too expensive in my book. My concern is my internal charging system built into the camper is not designed to charge a lithium battery.

But does it have a built in fire extinguisher?

I am not smart when it comes to batteries - Why can't I just get rid of my Deep cycle 12V RV battery (Grand Design Imagine 2670MK) and set this one on the mounting brackets, hook up the cables and be on my way? i understand the size difference and I would need a new mounting bracket or stand, or whatever that is called. (I do not have solar) Do I really need to change the cables? Do I really need to install the monitor inside? Couldn't I just use the app?

Wow! $2k for almost 500 aH

I put my batteries inside to protect from both theft and temperature.

do they make one for a fifth wheel? Or do I need to replace my terminals because your posts are far apart?

May just buy a solar generator has a inverter to they can give you over 2000 watts for a microwave and fridge all i really need daily. May run a tv sometimes to play video games better. All in a small box. And solid state lithium is used more smaller space. Us3 12 volts if i can. Rv tv are more expensive.

Just what I been looking for. A battery with more wires coming out of it.

Do they offer 24/48 volts?

Their prices are high too. I may weight on sodium....

Where is this battery manufactured?

Has anyone taken one apart to see the components they are using?

So how do you recycle this at the end of its life?

I like the 460 ah... But it's way too big!! For my class c. I need to do something my 2 agm batteries are toast!!

Thats $0.348 per Watt Hour - not a bad price

How many batteries can you put into succession (paraell)?

That thing is gigantic. It will never fit in truck camper battery boxes. Two Battleborns fit in my truck camper battery box. I bought them long before all of the other made in China Lithium batteries existed.

Wow 97 lbs, that's great. My 4 6-volt FLA batteries weigh a combined 268 lbs. That's impressive, great engineering.

Looked up the cycle life… only 3600 cycles? Most companies are doing 5-6000? Maybe that’s the savings?

That is not the new battery coming out. The new one is calcium ion. No lithium in the new battery.

I would rather get 2 Power Queens 1 2.8V 300Ah 200BMS or 3 P.Q 12.8V 200Ah 200Bms before I get that. 11-30-23