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The S-Tank in Ukraine?! 

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It keeps popping up, the question that asks how the S-Tank would handle itself in Ukraine and if the Ukrainians would benefit from having S-Tanks fightng the Russians in the current war. So, I figured I would offer my opinions on this matter. So here it is.
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@Bathtubcrocodile
@Bathtubcrocodile 9 месяцев назад
We have one in the Military Museum in my hometown. I think it looks amazing and it was a really cool achievement in it's time. I also saw one live when I was a kid at a military show. They ran over a volvo with it. Great times. And because I'm a nerd at heart I recently picked up model kit building for stress relief and the Strv103B in 1;35 scale is my first build.
@lordphullautosear
@lordphullautosear 9 месяцев назад
The only disadvantage I see with the S-Tank is that it can't roll forward while firing to the sides.
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 9 месяцев назад
A matter of definition... * Since only the TC's MG can fire to the sides that doesn't impede forward movement. * When using the main gun to engage targets that were spotted out towards a side the tank will face the enemy and can't move sideways, but that's the typical behavior no matter if a tank has a turret or not since no tanker wants to expose the larger and less protected side towards the enemy.
@badcam70
@badcam70 9 месяцев назад
The S-tank is scrapped all 300 of them excep some ten examples in museums around the world.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 9 месяцев назад
It was designed for its time. In Ukraine it would be at best a resource drain and at worst a death trap. It would be something else unique to look after that doesn't share parts or training with anything else. Unless modernised versions could be built that would fit Ukraine's needs.
@MultiNike79
@MultiNike79 9 месяцев назад
You helped Hitler too :) It didn’t help him. Why do you think the Russians will forget your help in the Nazi genocide?
@valdisfilks9427
@valdisfilks9427 9 месяцев назад
Most tanks today as we see in Ukraine are targeted, hit and destroyed from above. From drones, missiles etc. Since this tank was designed to protected itself from the sides/front and not from above, it may not be very useful. Also, the large number of different tanks, IFVs in Ukraine requires large amounts of resources, stocks, support/engineering/maintenance training. Can Ukraine support and maintain another tanks variation? However, additional firepower is always useful in Ukraine.
@SdKfz173
@SdKfz173 Месяц назад
Theoretically it could be used in the second line, providing firesupport to other tanks, IFVs and infantry while staying hidden. As you said, cages are easier to fit on it (longer ones) and a camonet on top of it, and it would be easier to hide. In those tests mentioned, the only drawback it had, was groundpressure. It was higher even if it weighs less due to the shorter tracks. Building new ones with new materials and technology would be good, but it wouldnt be worth it. The purpose would be limited.
@petergrandien1440
@petergrandien1440 9 месяцев назад
The S-Tank makes more sense on the modern battlefield than MBT nowadays does. Slabbing more and more armor on a vehicle is both costly and makes the vehicle slower and break-downs probably more likely. Face it, a MBT needs to resist 12kg mines, top drone attacks, dual warhead man portable missiles. Frontal SABOT rounds. Also mobility kill equals kill (drones arrive after 10 min and finish it) SA - Situation Awareness and Intelligence data will be the next king on the battlefield, behind that, cost effectiveness and minituralisation. The old S-tank might not have the two first in its current form, but it surely has the two later but SA/INT is just a matter of installing modern computers and sensors. Possibly also installing a drone "hangar". The 90mm gun could also be modified to fire missiles for a range of different targets. Even making it able to engage UAVs
@xMorogothx
@xMorogothx 9 месяцев назад
Tanks are obsolete
@petergrandien1440
@petergrandien1440 9 месяцев назад
@@xMorogothx So you think Light-Tanks AKA IFVs are obsolete?
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
1) the s tank had a 105mm gun, not a 90mm. 2) it has a very time and labour intensive repair and manintenance requirement, especially for the engines and hydraulics. 3)it's slow by modern AFV standards 3) it's existing top armor is only 40mm face hardened RHA. 4) it has no thermal optics 5) It only exists in a couple of dozen examples, of which no more than a handful are in drivable condition and the others are likely not possible to restore to a drivable state even if desired as they have been gutted and displayed as static monument vehicles for almost 30 years. All of the other Strv 103 hulls were sold as scrap and cut apart in the great 2003-2010 defense desintegration...
@xMorogothx
@xMorogothx 9 месяцев назад
@@petergrandien1440 yes
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
​@@xMorogothx no.
@CommissarMitch
@CommissarMitch 9 месяцев назад
ITS THE CHEESE WEDGE!
@flash7355
@flash7355 9 месяцев назад
2 S tanks that can even roll around in the world one is in Arsenalen museum.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
And one in Hässleholm, but that one has a broken turbine.
@mixmashandtinker3266
@mixmashandtinker3266 9 месяцев назад
They have one at Bovington Tank Museum in UK as well.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
​@@mixmashandtinker3266 but is it operational?
@Christiane069
@Christiane069 9 месяцев назад
Thanks again for this video. Even Sweden gave up the concept.
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 9 месяцев назад
My second comment: Around 14:40, paraphrasing: "Adding armour, and thus weight, to Strv 103 would be a good thing." No, it wouldn't! It needs to keep the power to weight ratio up and the (already fairly high) ground pressure down in order to stay mobile.
@SonnyKnutson
@SonnyKnutson 9 месяцев назад
Also it has very short track length so it's already quite poor at moving around in muddy terrain or over trenches etc.
@Sir_Godz
@Sir_Godz 9 месяцев назад
so cool
@FPfreddyyy
@FPfreddyyy 9 месяцев назад
I mean it is possible but unrealistic. The cv90 120 would be a much better choice.
@SimonOster-jc8iz
@SimonOster-jc8iz 9 месяцев назад
Möjlighet att bygga om den till en drönar-tank?
@petergrandien1440
@petergrandien1440 9 месяцев назад
Jag håller med, utveckla sedan AI och låt 5st operera i grupp på egen hand med olika funktioner. Drönar-tank, missil konverterad tank, Klassisk 90mm kanon, infanteri-stids tank, befäl och ingenjörs tank
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
Med vilka vagnar då? I hela landet finns det bara sex-sju stycken, inkl 0-serievagnen som står monument på Ravlunda och den avbeväpnade misslyckade minröjningsvagnen som står på museumet i Skillingaryd, och av de sju är det bara två jag vet är körbara, men ingen har underhållit laddautomaten eller andra stridssystem på minst 24år och turbinen är kass på den ena... Av alla andra S-vagnar vi hade skänktes ungefär lika många till utländska museum men resten är skrotade sen Bildts, Perssons och Alliansens försvarsslakt.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
Varför ta en gammal krånglig vagn till det när man kan bygga om terrängbilar istället? Eller om man nu vill ha en stridsvagn, gamla Leo1or
@SimonOster-jc8iz
@SimonOster-jc8iz 9 месяцев назад
@@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Kanske möjligt att använda som fjärrstyrd ingenjörstank.
@SimonOster-jc8iz
@SimonOster-jc8iz 9 месяцев назад
@@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone Allt kokar ner till kostnad och tillgång på resurser. Om Ukraina fick x antal s-tanks. Skulle vara spännande o se vad dom använde dom till.
@ryelor123
@ryelor123 9 месяцев назад
People must not have been very smart in the past if they said a tank that can't deal with mines is perfect in every way.
@Anonymous-zu7dh
@Anonymous-zu7dh 9 месяцев назад
don't we like have a whopping total of 1 S-tank in running condition at the Arsenalen museum. We have at least a handful more to my knowledge..... as static displays. And who knows what their condition is like, I'm going to guess bad, if you want it for anything else than a display piece.
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
One at Hässleholms museum can drive using the piston engibe, but the turbine has stopped working.
@luisalizondo4973
@luisalizondo4973 9 месяцев назад
This was a very good tank!
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 9 месяцев назад
Third comment: I agree with your conclusion that it's not an option, or at least not a good one, for Ukraine, given the current circumstances. I do not agree with your reason why though: Strv 103 could have been a great option, as described below in this post, but as is there are just to few of them in good enough condition to make it worth while from a logistical perspective. The support organization required to maintain half a dozen (or less) very special tanks just isn't worth it! From a strategical and tactical perspective a larger number of strv 103 could probably do a lot if they were a modernized variety of the 103D version. That's the REMOTE CONTROL version! With a modern sensor suite and properly EW hardened a bunch of those could lead an assault straight through a mine field without risking the lives of any crew members. Those that make it through can then really cause trouble for the enemy.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
If they were a good option they would not have been taken out of service
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
​@@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone the thing is, the remote control version failed due to, at the time, electronic reliability issues. Especially on the unarmed mine flail variant, the cameras and the electronics of that time just couldn't be made reliable, accurate or protected enough to sustain direct hits even when the hull survived iirc.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
Lets not pretend that the 103 was dome kind of wonderwaffen. Its gun had become outdated (we intended to go from 105mm to 140mm for a reason) and its lack of a turret was a drawback by the 1980s (which is why we wanted a turret for our next tank).
@paaaatrika
@paaaatrika 7 месяцев назад
This tank has been retired for like 30 years with most of them scrapped..
@frankschmidt2303
@frankschmidt2303 9 месяцев назад
Do a video about the Mine Kafon Drone !
@knusern666
@knusern666 9 месяцев назад
S stands for Sneaky. It gets around
@johnnylind973
@johnnylind973 9 месяцев назад
There are no S tanks , they got scrapped long ago .
@FRIPPE_THE_GREAT
@FRIPPE_THE_GREAT 9 месяцев назад
If it would be deployed it's game over for Russia...
@portmoneul
@portmoneul 9 месяцев назад
Sooo, you are saying that the tank needs a 40mm autoturet to shoot drones and infantry and things. Mines are a btch tho.
@frankschmidt2303
@frankschmidt2303 9 месяцев назад
Give away the drawings and let the Ukraine do their own updates.
@frankschmidt2303
@frankschmidt2303 9 месяцев назад
A winter tank. No mines in the snow 😉
@Joffboff-do1nn
@Joffboff-do1nn 9 месяцев назад
That romour is BS... There are no S-tanks left. Except a very few museum peices - of with most of them dosen't work.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
Didnt watch the video, did ya 😅
@Jonsson474
@Jonsson474 9 месяцев назад
If there were any Strv 103 left (as far as I know they are now all scrapped), they could actually have served as radio controlled and unmanned tank drones. This idea has been around for a long time but has never really been realised. I think the low profile and light frame would have been perfect for this.
@SdKfz173
@SdKfz173 9 месяцев назад
There are some left in museums. One of them is 20 km from my position. @@Jonsson474
@SonsOfLorgar
@SonsOfLorgar 9 месяцев назад
​@@Jonsson474 they tried to do that in the 1990ies and failed.
@Jonsson474
@Jonsson474 9 месяцев назад
@@SonsOfLorgar That was way before there was functional drone tech around. Today it’s a different story as technology has moved forward.
@petruSarac
@petruSarac 9 месяцев назад
You need better sound on your videos. Cheers!
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
No problem. Are you willing to pay for it? 😉😁
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 9 месяцев назад
I have a couple of comments, starting with no 1: At 2:24 you talk about gun stabilization and that it wasn't a thing, but is required for shooting accurately while moving. Both of these claims are wrong! Gun stabilization was a thing already in WW2, with the Sherman having a for its time pretty good stabilizer (though claimed to be a bitch to learn how to use properly). Just about all post war tanks had gun stabilizers, but none of them could shoot accurately while moving. To shoot accurately on the move two things are required: 1. A stabilized gun SIGHT that is mechanically disconnected from the gun barrel and can move independently. 2. A targeting computer connected to both the sight and the gun barrel, controlling the movements of the gun based on where the sight is pointed and other input data. When the gunner press the trigger the computer calculates in which direction the barrel should be pointing an then fires the shot when the deviation is sufficiently small. There's essentially no need to have the barrel stabilized at all, but it helps to get the shot off faster if the barrel isn't pointing 45 degrees off target when the trigger is pressed. Only around 1970 computers were beginning to be small and sturdy enough to be used for this application. The gun sight is stabilized by having (computer controlled) light mirrors and/or prisms keeping the sight line stable as the turret trembles and moves.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
So... it wasnt until stabilization became reliable that the Strv103 lost its edge...
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 9 месяцев назад
@@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone No, the keys were: * On board computing power. * Gun sight disconnected from the gun, allowing the sight (instead of the gun) to be stabilized. For example the Chieftain had a very good gun stabilizer and was said by the British to allow for firing accurately on the move, but in the direct comparison to strv 103 (West Germany, 1973) they had the same hit percentage (0%) while firing on the move at off center targets.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 9 месяцев назад
@@ollep9142 so... when stabilization became reliable... The Strv103 lost its edge
@christianklein5774
@christianklein5774 9 месяцев назад
id seen that thing a fwie time ,
@tuvhawk
@tuvhawk 9 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@maltemorot1782
@maltemorot1782 9 месяцев назад
We are vikings 😁 not defensiv 😈
@MrNissetuta
@MrNissetuta 4 месяца назад
Du har så många fel. Kolla up fakta först.
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone
@SkruffyTalez_TheWarzone 4 месяца назад
Jaha? Som vadå?
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