The Sandman is Secretly BROKEN 

Bro first lmao

you can't grow facial hair this is weird advertising

If Flying Guilty will broken for Crit. Combo Will Reborn.

stop pretending you shave

Who is called BAD WEAPON HUH ? HUH ?! Those who say the gun is bad, don't know how to use the gun and what the mechanics are, and they are afraid.

@Dumb Blob No, you can modify the ball damage without modifying the base melee damage.

@Dumb Blob Oh.

@@gamerdomain6618 Yeah, doesn’t the Wrap Assassin have one of the largest damage penalties in the game? I would say it has the largest, but the Rocket Jumper and Sticky Jumper literally do no damage, so....

​​@@CyborgCharlotteell here's the catch, at a certain distance, the wrap assassin have guaranteed critical hits, meaning if you're able to practice with the projectile which isn't that hard as it's the fastest projectile, you'll technically do more damage than the sandman

@@Eddie-yv1ix I meant in terms of base Melee damage, not the projectile 😅

You can't hear it but I was freaking out when that happened lol. I think I peaked

​@@TheWhatShow Holy crops, you did great

@@BrownWarp In my defense, I couldn't tell, he died too quickly.

@@TheWhatShow You did it, you're a scout main now.

​@@TheWhatShowyou have peaked.

pls understand the desk plant has a very hard job

I know VALVe probably will never do this, but they could release small patches to specific weapons that rebalance them so that they're actually useful, but don't completely overhaul them

I think it ought to be no ball random critical hits but you also boost the damage of baseballs by 3 so they're effectively dealing the same damage as crits anyways. You don't need to use a glitch to pull off the Sandman damage output.

they already tried, iv been usin a version of this for ages where u didnt have to switch class between throws n they patched that but not the actual bug lol

Thats what i do llin mvm, fan o war when credits are scarce, sandman when we have more credits to spend

Moonshots on mvm robots still kinda works. It won't disable them but they will stop walking, including giants.

For a good reason I bought xmas lights for sandman)) However i thought the sandman marking by hitting enemies was intentional

@@Ultra289 Well it reuses the exact same effect that allows the Fan O'War to mark so the devs should have known. Probably just a case of Valve rushing something out and forgetting about it.

-10hp

no random crits for projectile.

This would unironically be incredible if you didn't have to rely on a glitch just to make it decent

The no random crit stat is pointless because a majority of servers turn it off anyways. Why? I dunno, people are babies who can't handle even the slightest of unpredictability.

@@quadrata8382 AKA: anyone who is actually good at the game. AAKA: not you :)

Remember the Iron Bomber tho? :?

​@@The_Rising_Dragon even without the extended hitbox of the IB's pipes, it's still a decent sidegrade to stock.

It also works on wrapped assassin. And it does a good amount of damage, I would recommend this

@@misterjersey5460 calling it a sidegrade is generous. most of the time its just stock but with slightly edited stats, pretty much the only time ive ever used it for anything but that is when i play hybrid knight

maybe 35, like the base melee. so it could be like a ranged melee hit

If you're not careful you invalidate the Wrap Assassin's purpose, damage should remains its upside

@@pickly4747 I think it'd just be an amazing side-grade to the Wrap Assassin. I don't know who proposed this idea - maybe it was Great Blue - but, ideally, the Sandman could give you higher immediate damage, and the Wrap Assassin could give you higher sustained damage, thanks to the bleeding. Edit: fixed the horrible mistake that obliterated the meaning of my comment

I always tought that it would be better if it can disable sentries but doesnt do damage

@@nosh62 It is a good idea, however there's not too many situations where Scout would need sustained damage, and The Sandman would risk losing apart of it's identity, the slow. It depends on how much immediate damage you mean

with the amount of bots currently in casual, I'm not too sure about that

@@bitcidic Dudes seriously it got really bad over the past week or so I don't get it, two weeks ago I was barely having issues with em

@@NachozMan Yeah idk it’s gotten to the point where I can’t play casual without the entire lobby just being bots and all I have are community servers

​@@bitcidic I have run into 1 lobby with bots idk what your talking about. Although I have noticed a increase in random bots joining a lobby

​@@bitcidic there are scout bots now tho. They're somewhat rare, but exist.

Nah bru it is not a secret

Dab

Just like you!

How funny

Totally not overused

Even better. No random crits

Being able to die to a close range rocket sounds way too punishing for what it is

@@lambsauce5312 It would be if it was always active, but if a soldier is close enough to pose that threat, you probably shouldn't have your melee out. Sandman is one of those weapons that you pull out only when the ball is ready and you put away as soon as you hit your ball. If you take 100 damage in that short window of time, that's your own fault

Wait was that you?!?

@@iceshard4661 ain't no way

​@@iceshard4661 how long ago did this happen to you?

@@iceshard4661 epic

HOW TF ARE YOU EVERYWHERE

Are u walter White?

I swear to god, this guy is the new Jusin Y

@@qwertyuioppie3699 Not even close.

@@Cheeseburger18258 Say. His. Name.

you mean the joke got you laughing hard, or got your ding-dong hard?

It got you what?

@@ThatKidNextDoorYT testicular tortion

​​​@@ThatKidNextDoorYT It's when two sandman scout shoot balls at the same person, causing them to cross and emulate testicular torsion. Edit: 10:53 Damn I am good at prediction

Yes I understand the joke I just think your word choice was funny

makes sense as it's probably in the same ammo category as the wrap assassin ball.

Maybe I'm misremembering but I recall Valve saying they removed it because they wanted to remove stun mechanics from TF2 because they're unfun to fight against. Which, remembering the old sandman, I can attest to. Being confronted by a scout, him hitting you with the ball mean you arent able to do ANYTHING but strafe for a few seconds wasn't fun to fight against.

@@shads3955 valve is right. stuns are fucking horrid mechanics in games like overwatch and valorant. i can't stand other hero shooters.

@@shads3955 I feel like most people blew it out of proportion. Nobody complained until Soundsmith made a video crying about it. Then the Soundsmith Stans came in full force harassing Valve to nerf the sandman. Valve nerfs it into an early grave and then leaves the game as is for, now, nearly 6 goddamn years. It used to be my favourite weapon, and arguably yes, it was annoying to play against to some capacity. But I can name off the top of my head 10 straight things that are more annoying to play against than the old sandman that don't have anywhere near the hate train the sandman once had before it was nerfed. The reason why? They're not actually OP. Much the same as the sandman wasn't OP on its own, just annoying.

But then random crit balls would do 135 dmg so they should remove random crits.

@@emrebaskocak I thought about that but random crits are instant kills on almost anything anyways so I don’t think valve would have a problem with it

@@emrebaskocak i love how you didnt even mention the ball, just straight up "remove random crits"

Yeah, if ball was buffed, it should be unable to crit. There are lot of weapon that can't crit, and this definitely deserves that

Just make it stun fully again. TF2 was built on fun, quirky mechanics. Why should the sandman be called "overpowered" for a quirky mechanic that, without the cleaver combo, was a direct detriment to use most of the time; when you have flying demomen with shields, soldiers who can instakill most classes just by being airborne, random crits, irradiated drink invulnerability, double jumps, rocket jumps, sticky jumps, all kinds of jumps, and all other kinds of things. The sandman made Scout feel unique. It was solely HIS mechanic that no other class had. Now it's gone, and the sandman is the sadman. Great job Valve.

could have sworn sandman balls could counter demoknights somewhat with the slowdown affecting the speed of the charge, albeit more effective if they are closer to the end of their charge or smth to save you from getting your head chopped. but again, super situational as you'd have to predict the charge ahead of time to hit the ball fast enough and connect.

you can at least bounce pipes with the ball

For the wrap assassin too. There is nothing more satisfying than hitting a wrappie on a Pigro that was puff-and-stinging you and then finishing it with a cleaver which deals JUST enough damage to finish them off. Budget cleaver combo that way. And plus, Scouts deserve it anyway. If Pyros can kill you near-instantly with a single puff of flame followed by a flare, then you should be able to kill them with JUST enough damage to do so.

and ouch

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Just make from 66% damage resistence of the bubble to 50%

Make it give 100% bullet resistance, but less for others

@@calebbarnhouse496 No.

Yeah, we need a bot fix, a sniper nerf and THEN a vaccinator nerf

It shouldn't get patched anyways

Its that or the slow dot of the wrap witch is still probably about the same

I honestly prefer if the Sandman ball 100% crits, because if you made a sandman ball base damage 45 then random crit ball would be 135 damage. Think about the consequences of your actions.

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I saw an ace the ocarina maker video showcasing a similar bug but with scorch shot's taunt kill (yes they can get crits) instead of the sandman and i remember they managed to do said bug on a no random crit server via the kritzkrieg