The Scandinavian Star Disaster | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror 

Yup, just like Captain Coward of Costa Concordia...

He def did things wrong, but at the same time, I can't fault him completely as he believed that the passengers that could still be saved from the fire-affected areas had already woken up from the fire alarm. I'd place him on the "less evil" on the Francesco Schettino-scale. EDIT: Btw, I'm not condoning his actions.

Well, he abandoned the ship when he had given the all clear to his men to set fire to the ship after an agreement with his masters. It is likely they wanted deaths because it would make it seem like it wasnt on purpose. Smart, although utterly devoid of empathy or decency.

Both captain and the owners should be held accountable. Both failed to ensure the crew had proper emergency training and both elected to sail a ship with glaring safety issues. The captain should have, at the very least, insisted on evacuation training for his crew prior to departure. Having said that, it's hard to be a whistleblower in the corporate world. It is guaranteed career suicide in most companies.

It's against most countries maritime laws as the saying is The Captain Goes Down With The Ship

We don't trust anyone here

@Thank You. 'Fire proof', but with 'Fire Resistant', materials!!

same thing as saying something was 'unsinkable'

I avoid all buildings, boats, structures that are something-proof. But more and more, I avoid anything besides my house. Can't go in any multi-story buildings here in Florida. Can't go in the water (rip tide, red tide, animals, etc.) Don't want to be around others driving here (they're notoriously bad here). So, home it is!

It seems like saying something like that is just tempting fate.

How awful. There are 100 such stories of lives snuffed out due to the carelessness of others.

So sad this is! Rest in peace to all the victims of this terrible disaster.

How horrific for you and the loved ones of those we lost.

@@emusaurus This is the second time I’ve found you doing this, kid. Do you think anyone here minds reading comments like this considering they came to watch a video about it? Hush and let everyone enjoy their conversation. If you’re already bored playing Fortnight maybe go listen to your Justin Bieber album. Just quit gatekeeping RU-vid comments, kid. No one cares.

@@emusaurus lord, shut up degenerate. Respect for those who are lost. If you can't respect people that lost their lives in such a terrible way, you deserve their fate in return.

100%. These bastards should always get life in prison but instead they are rarely held accountable at all.

Soviet boats weren't any safer than greedy capitalist pig boats

@@8bitorgy that would be very obvious as communisim in practice is a failure

@@thegoldengamer9315 not necessarily. That was authoritarianism. It functioned as more of a socialist government than communist one. A communist government has neverbeen put in place, except for temporary ones. The soviets used the name of communism to bring themselves to power and to control Russia. Communism creates a power vacuum and can easily make the system be abused by people who want only power like Stalin and invites instability especially if the previous government has a hard fall like the Czars. It's like the French revolution, where after an absolute monarch was taken down and a new government was put in place to push for equality like equal voting rights free speech, etc. Which brought a reign of terror where France was in turmoil. Basically it was too much too fast and destabilized the country. Communism can only be accomplished as an end goal after decades of slowly socializing a government. And the government should have power if and only if it serves the people and not the people with influence.

@@8bitorgy They're both bad in terms of safety.

You know, "Dolla dolla bills bills" 🤷‍♂️

More likely it was to avoid media and public attention while it sailed to a port where it was to be repaired. There was little point in paying thousands for fresh signwriting when the ship was going to need a complete overhaul anyhow.

They call her “Candy” 🥰

@@shimmershine6902 Just like real candy, the ship didn’t last long and caused nothing but problems for your health!

Don't insult Vegas strippers. They make more money than that ship. 💲💲💲💲💲

Basically, Scandinavian Star captain just told Costa Concordia captain, Oceanos captain, and Yarmouth Castle captain to hold his beer.

@@notthatcreativewithnames The story is horrible but the fact is that, the people that managed to get to the muster stations all got evacuated at the same time as the captain. He was deluded enough to belive that was everyone. However there was a mooring deck aft with 50 people which he didn't know about who couldn't reach the life boats. and the 158 that died. A mix of shock and total loss of situational awareness made him think everyone was evacuated.

@@notthatcreativewithnames Add the Skipper and Gilligan from "Gilligans Island" to your list. Those two were obviously morons.

Yes! I think the "captain" of the Sewol Ferry takes the cake for the most disgraceful tho.

@@missydee7674 I'd argue that due to the amount of children on that ship, that was probably the worst disaster. Soooo many people to blame on that one including the South Korean government. There were naval ships from other countries (US and Australia I believe) responding and offering to help and they were essentially told to mind their own business.

But we made it shiny!!

Hydrogen-cyanide _schmiadide!_ Let's Shellac it!

Fireproofing isn't fireproofing, it's just making it less likely to burn but more likely to kill people when it does.

*insert Hartford Circus, Kaprun Funicular, Station/Lame Horse/Colectiv Nightclub etc.

@@arianebolt1575 i mean, try getting steel to light on fire

@@heliveruscalion9124 Use thermite....

@@heliveruscalion9124 You also sound like my inner voice.... 'i mean, try getting steel to light on fire'...... ok voice, i'll do it.

Greed, unfortunately, has a way of heavily tampering with some people's moral compass

And there were already casualties after the first fire....so they thought only one fire didn't make enough damage. What kind of sick people

Corporate logic. Although that's virtually the same thing really.

Maybe the payout was higher if it happened whilst in use. Also, if in dock the damage would likely have been less due to proximity of fire extinguishing equipment, therefore evidence of arson more likely to survive. Taking passengers on a cruise is less likely to arouse suspicion than sailing out empty, for no apparent reason.

I doubt it was insurance fraud, to many people around to possibly see something. Though sadly no one did apparently. Even if the payout is lower, would be much safer to get out in deep water and do it.

In most cases, exit signs must be clearly posted and it is a good idea to learn the word for "exit" in whichever language it was built for and make a mental note of the word while on the vessel. It can mean the difference between life and death in an emergency. Not that this excuses what happened in any way. In a disaster, you are often your only resource.

I have ALWAYS had a terrible tendency (when listening to this channel) to picture myself in/at whatever tragedy they talking about and forcibly imagine what it was like. I honestly don't enjoy doing it nor do I mean to sound as if I'm bragging or boasting that it doesn't bother me or like I would be the one to survive it. I just feel SO fucking bad for the victims in all the stories he tells but I know sitting here crying over it won't change anything. my only option therefore is to remember the past so as not to repeat it. if I can burn the loss into my brain I can avoid repeating it I guess

@@danielbradley5255 Sounds like you have a very vivid imagination to be able to imagine the situation/environment and are very good at empathizing to try and feel what the passengers felt.

If you have ever seriously hurt yourself you would find out that you go into a strange place mentally

@@orangehoof Signs were hanging from the ceiling blocked by smoke. A big no-no Honestly, she was as safe as a leaky tub in the middle of the pacific and she should never have sailed. But this ship was bought for 10.3 million and insured for 24. although a value estimate was 8. It screams insurance fraud

I absolutely love his voice too👌😍

Are you two Americans?

@Moses Rocco I’m not, just love his voice. 😀

His first video "I say 'an investigation was launched' for 10 hours"

I highly disagree. Boring and bland

It could be a bingo series at this point.

You nearly forgot: recently inspected and found to be in violation of several codes but somehow signed off as fit for purpose anyway.

You forgot the important part "To make cheaper or to cut construction cost"

@Eadaoin Murphy Locked or obstructed emergency exits

AKA: "The Recipe for Disaster."

I saw this documentary too and remember this couple - very sad indeed xx

It really sounds like a scene you would find in some sort of horror story.

@kubey a fascinating horror story

Do you recall what the documentary was called? I should like to watch it if I can find a copy. :)

@Dr.CandyStriper It's available on youtube! :) I suppose that it technically isn't a documentary, but an episode of 'Seconds From Disaster'. It's episode S01E04: "Fire on the star".

Not only the captain but the shipping company as well, there are rumors that it was pure arson an it was known by the shipping company.

It could be that the new owners wanted the insurance money, and had the captain in on it.

I doubt any neglect found place in this act of greed.

It’s sad that it’s “unsurprising” that the captain was terrible. Why have so many cruise captains been terrible?!?!

Is this really that common? We're focused here on disaster that become tragedies, so maybe judging the prevalence of malicious captains from this content is skewed. Even on this channel, I feel like most of the captains mentioned do the right thing, or, at least, better than this. This stands out as uncommonly inhumane behavior to me. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be convinced otherwise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_captain_goes_down_with_the_ship

Frankly, I feel that if a captain shows cowardice or otherwise fails to at least make an honest attempt at saving the ship and/or it's passengers, then the punishment should be death. Like you, I don't feel that they have to go down with the ship, but cowardice should not be tolerated.

@@samhouston1288 Yeah, it's the cowardice that gets me. YOU'RE the captain and responsible for the ship and all the souls on board? It's like being a cop or firefighter and you're the first one to run to safety. They say "the captain goes down with the ship" at the very least you should be one of the last ones off.

@@Koorime18 I don’t have a problem with the captain getting off sooner IF it is in aid of improving the rescue - like if the captain needs to be able to better evaluate damage or can get a better perspective on the evacuation from a lifeboat due to the conditions of the problem. But the purpose should be DOING THE JOB BETTER not “flee”.

If he were a real Caption; he would have gone down with the ship and tried to get as many people offboard as possible. Sickening!

Omg exactly that🐈‍⬛

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-78qalYbG4Lw.html is the usual music for this channel

Wow that's a very beautiful description - it's perfect! I can see kitty now, an elegant cat with silky fur walking along the piano, quietly so as not to distract from the respect for those that lost their lives in this terrible disaster.

@@Martin-uf4ut I'm really missing the old music!!!

It's boring. I really like the usual music.

Or just don't go there at all

I only ever use boats that are particularly prone to fire. If they can survive being that, I will assume they're safe.

Pro life tip: if you go anywhere new where there are crowds, like a Bar or Cinema ... check where the fire exits and fire services are.

Make sure you run in the right direction, away from the fire!

I'm wearing fire resistant clothing AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH IM ON FIRE

Something like that should be implemented in so many more areas of the world in so many more situations. Language barriers can become quite a problem and even people who "should know a language from school" often don't actually speak it.

@@Kkubey This is true. I speak swedish, but only in theory as I haven't needed it in 25 years. Finnish is my native language.

This wouldn't be such a big issue today because scandinavians can speek english well, but a lot has happened in 30 years.

Would have helped a bit with the Costa Concordia.

@@totalhysteria 30 years ago, young kids around here were less fluent in English than they are now.

Just out of curiosity, how did you find this channel? It was recommended to me because I watch "Ask a Mortician" videos with Caitlin Doughty (she's awesome, BTW). :)

@@Boxermom0317 honestly, I don’t recall. However, I am a follower of her as well. So maybe?

Same, my dude, my spirit died a little when i realized i had nothing but the new eps to wait for

Try Chubbyemu. There's a recent one about a girl who ate 10 pounds of bananas.

_It has been 13 days since the last Fascinating Horror video was watched. All hope is lost. Whomever finds my body, you are welcome to our stuff. Farewell, dear stranger._

I see these kinds of fundamental mistakes in videos as a trend across this channel. That's a shame because it limits the credibility and thus value the videos presented have.

So tired of dutch and danish being mixed up 😩

Well, I sure am glad that simple decision happened!!!

I was a girl guide at the time, Scandinavian Star burned, and one of the members of the troup was on board on that fateful night. She and her whole family (mother, father, sister) now rest in their graves, not far away from my home.

Just goes to show, the most mundane decision can change someone's life and by extension others, God bless!!!🙏👍😎

@@Plysdyret1 haunting way to put it

That's amazing! A small change made a huge difference with your family. I'm 49 and if my stepfather stayed at The Beverly Hills Supper Club that night. I would never had the chance call Les Dad.

Trapped in a burning skyscraper. 🔥Trapped in the Nutty Putty cave. 🕳 Running out of air while cave diving. 💦 There’s no end. I have not even mentioned saturation diving. 😱

Imagine a Submarine or an Airplane or a Space Station. It gets worse and worse the more isolated and confined you are.

Or a sinking boat ...

@@spiritmatter1553 yeah, come to think of it, these are pretty bad too

Yup, especially at night or in rough weather

The real culprits will get away with it as usual. When silver crosses palms, the truth always gets buried.

@@LittleKitty22 and theyre fascists, but theres hope that the dark web will finally put them out of their miserable life made by other fascits

@@militarytankstudios9497 I'm a bit lost, who are the fascists?

You did it and are trying to shift the focus onto some nameless entity. Case closed.

@@militarytankstudios9497 we can only pray the hacker 4chan metes out dark web justice

Laugh! (Because God has a hilarious sense of humor I could appreciate before I die.)

Run like hell for safety

"But Aquaman, you cannot marry a woman without gills, you're from two different worlds....I've wasted my life"

money....

just adds further fuel to theory that fire was caused by the ship's owners

Flammable and toxic.

It was a communication failure between the ship builders, owners and refurbishment contractors. Original safety measures can be unintentionally thwarted when people have to rely on second and third hand information. A system that fails catastrophically when just one preventative measure fails, is a bad system.

In the 2003 tragic fire at “The Station” nightclub in Rhode Island, the walls of the nightclub were were covered with cheap, but dangerous acoustic foam. The nightclub was located in an older, very small building. The brothers who owned the nightclub added the acoustic foam on the walls, ostensibly to soundproof the club. After the pyrotechnics ignited the fire, the foam quickly became toxic. The walls gave off Dark smoke, Carbon Monoxide and Hydrogen Cyanide. The investigators concluded that if not for the coating on the walls, the death rate would have been much lower. When the narrator mentioned the chemicals emanating from the ship’s walls, I thought of “The Station”.

rather the bad luck of the old name will still be present in the new name of the vessel (for example uboot K13 -> K21)

It's a common superstition that renaming ships is a bad omen. Even just one time is too much for sailors.

Well, renaming often means that the inside is redecorated and they might be sold to a company which just wants a cheap ship, neglecting the maintenance. Also after accidents and the like, the name would be changed not to be associated with any bad happenings. I believe this is why people think this way.

Yep just look at the Estonia.. It changed names numerous times and over 800 people died

It’s only considered bad luck if you rename a ship without a renaming ceremony.

Its not that they hired a crew without knowledge, its that they weren't trained. "Only a month" is bullshit. They should have been trained and able to respond before a single passenger boarded.

Correct.

Most of the crews have knowledge of ships but lack knowledge of the English language. Also in that time period, not as many people in Scandinavia could speak English.

I've watched a few of these videos & I''m starting to think cruises are a bad idea

@@clearcreek69 Cruising is something that one can only try at least once, like just about everything else in life. I would like to go on a transatlantic cruise either to or from Europe. The Cunard or Holland America lines(if you can afford those cruise lines), or other large and reputable lines are capable, but it depends on what you are looking for. And also most important, is the season for cruising.

This. Having just searched up "Vognmandsruten K/S, A/S", there is not much information available in English, so a mistake is understandable really. However, if proper research was done, I'm not sure how the Dutch would even come up anywhere as being involved in this disaster.

@@yatokami7907 sadly Dutch/Danish is a common error, after a number of years in Netherlands people still asking me "how's your Danish coming on?"

@@m33446 And Dutch/Deutsch(German) is another common mistake. The Dutch really get mistaken for a lot of their neighbors.

@@Kkubey truth

@@Kkubey Fact.

Steinhauser, Rytter and Guimbatan was behaving suspicious from when they were transfered to when the ship was moored in Lysekil. I highly doubt Larsen knew the ship as well as those three along with the 6 additional seaescape crewmen

@@skylineXpert I find the whole story about the crew setting the fire highly speculative. My father was a first engineer, and had previously worked on that route for the company that was bought by vognmansruten. My family was also survivors of the fire. So my father also testified in the official inquiry after the disaster as a witness. He didn't believe Steinhauser did anything to deliberately harm the vessel, it's a far too complicated story to explain in a youtube comment. But basically some of the ventilation was not working in the passenger areas, so steinhauser had opened a door on the car deck and used the powerful extractor fans that is located there to force air through the ship as a workaround. Although not the reason for the fire, it greatly contributed to it's severity. There also was some drama with him and the swedish fire fighters. Because he wanted to close all the fire doors starve the fire from oxygen and let the fire burn itself out, while they wanted to go about it like a ordinary Building fire, using firehoses and water. The firemen had no clue about fighting fire on a big ship, and no knowledge of the layout of the boat. Which led to arguing and drama. At one point, the ship had become highly unstable, with a list and was dangerously close to capsizing. If steinhauser really wanted to harm the ship he could have helped this prosess. But he helped empty the ship of water instead. One issue was that the pump used to put pressure on the fire hoses, was also going to be used as a bilge pump. The firefighters had to temporary halt their efforts. People believed that this was a deliberate act of sabotage. Because it is possible to keep the pressure on the firehoses using the water from inside the ship. The problem with this however is that it would be contaminated with waste oil, and other debris. Which isn't very good to mix with a fire. Some of the things Steinhauser did would look suspicious, but it the right context it isn't as bad at it would seem.

Very interesting. I do still wonder 1. why did he assume all the passengers were off the ship? And 2. Why did they double insurance on the ship AFTER receiving a safety warning, then did nothing to improve this? People find these things too convenient. Lives mean nothing to some greedy people.

@@ashn7146 I am pretty confident that it was common practice to insure ships for more then what they where worth. Captain Larsen was confused about the situation. I believe he was delusional enough to think most people had gotten off. Most people where in a state of shock. Not really understanding what was happening

I won't dispute that but the Seawise Giant had many names in her history and she did alright.

@@sstills951 Belief of 'Bad luck' in the changing of ship names might have some origin in karmic default leading back to when a ship goes horribly wrong in its history...especially with malfeasance involved. Merely changing the name of a vessel in question to hide its history, at least on the surface, is a kick in the balls to the souls of those befallen by any tragedy linked to said vessel.

@@empireoflizards I suppose I didn't think of that way. Thanks

@@empireoflizards So it’s bad luck in the superstitious sense, but in the instant red flag sort of sense? As in “They changed the name of the ship... dude, I’d pass on this one if I were you.”

@@sstills951 yeah, Seawise Giant had several names. And in its life got bought and immediately sent back for engine vibration, sunk by a cruise missile, refloated and then scrapped. If it weren’t for her size Seawise Giant would be considered the poster child for “don’t rename your damn ship”

We didn't start the fire Billy Joel comes to mind

🔥🔥🔥🔥🤘🌚🤘🔥🔥🔥🔥

Go to your room, Boss. No dinner either.

Though we didn't light it we tried to fight it.

One of my favs by Billy 😊

There are other languages, you know.

@@Koreviking Yes, I gather that, but the location of the vessel suggests Norwegian, Dutch, and English should have been somewhat spoken amongst a slight majority of the crew. My guess is they spoke Swedish or Danish.

They were probably from the Philippines, a lot ships hire workers from over there because the wages are lower. They were already cutting costs on everything else.

@@jonathancarlson6127 but Norwegian, Danish and Swedish are all quite similar and can be understood, ofc in a panic situation it poses some difficulties... But I'm native Swedish speaking and I understand most of Norwegian and a lot of Danish, just because the grammar and words are mostly similar. I guess there might have been Germans or Russians on board or something?

@@tunnjessica I'm thinking in 1990 did they have ex-Soviet immigrants already? Russian, Estonian, Baltic. Or perhaps from other east block countries? Those would have been cheap labor at the time (the countries were doing really bad financially), and most of them unable to speak Scandinavian languages or English.

no, its fascism, why, its because greed is apart of fascism

@@militarytankstudios9497 Greed can be in communists as well, it isn’t exclusive to fascists, hell it isn’t exclusive to political ideologies either

Someone mentions it on every video.

But he wasn't saying people aren't posting comments about it, he was simply wondering why more people weren't doing it (than the ones who already do it).

Because it's not his first video?

people wont shut up about it

Yeah, “I thought everyone was off.” while a whole third of the people were still missing. He expected people to actually believe that?

Them and Schettino

Some unhappy lagers aboard too

So what you are saying is not a single person who died went to heaven rather they are haunting an old ocean liner? I see.

I know right, this is some Fascinating Horror history to learn about

@Dirty Magic11 interesting theory. Never thought of it that way

Hence the channel name, 'Fascinating Horror'

@Dirty Magic11 I never thought of that. I think my depression has fueled my interest, and I've wondered why I'm drawn to it so much more lately. I don't think it's because I want to die, though...you might be on to something about it making us grateful for living, even though things feel like they really suck in our lives at the moment.

@@voutsider190 That's why a lot of people (or at least just me) enjoy horror movies, even though we'd rather not get scared in our normal everyday lives. Your anxiety ramps up, only to be hit with a subconscious feeling of relief knowing that you're safe and just watching a movie

Same!

I was just thinking that!

Grenfell would probably come before that.

Or the Tasman Bridge collapse as well

Just prior to the collapse, another bridge of similar design that he was involved with collapsed in the UK. Whilst in Melbourne he was reassuring the BC workers that the West Gate Bridge construction techniques and design were sound. The designer of the West Gate Bridge was a fatality in the collapse.

Yes, I second that

@@bozlakian3329 , I was 5 years old when The Tasman Bridge collapsed. We lived about 5 minutes drive away…..still remember our house trembling and the glass rattling in the windows. My husbands cousin was sadly one of the people who drove off the bridge😢

Oooo, yes please

What's sad, is you can't just willy nilly spray water either, you could easily capsize the ship

This just makes me think of the sea parks scene on The IT crowd

the point of a ship is to keep the water on the OUTSIDE

I believe that's "scuttle".

@@EliWCoyote until you realize scupper is a nautical term meaning a hole in the bulwarks of a ship. (More truth: now I’m going to look up bulwarks and make sure I know what that means.) 😳

EliWCoyote I guess you scupper the ship to scuttle it.

Pretty sure burning to the waterline is also a death warrant for those on board.

@@marvindebot3264 Good point!

Yikes. Now there's a thought.

@@marvindebot3264 But unlike when ships were made out of wood the ashes of the victims would be mixed in with the ashes of the wood from the ship, But with metal ships they are just cremated inside the metal walls or burned up horribly.

Floating tombs of fire

Original dives reported the loading ramp closed. Eye vitness reports of the crew with camera access of the car deck say the ramp was closed as the ship was already listing. Eyewitness reports from passengers below the car deck of water rushing up from below. Official report: Estonias bow visor failed and lowered the car deck ramp, flooding estonia with water. It's not even a conspiracy theory that the Swedish military smuggled soviet equipment out of Estonia on the ship with the same name.

@@Pottan23 Almost all of the crew that survived was flown away with private non registered aircrafts and their whereabouts are unknown for even their family members. The captain of the ship was taken in the hospital but the records say that he drowned with the ship, even though there are eye witnesses that saw him at the hospital. Nobody knows where he is now.

They are/were starting the investigation this month, so it might be early for a video. The construction is very likely to at least be a part of why it sank, and the company that built it wanted this investigation badly to find anything that could have gone wrong that wasn't their fault, while especially Sweden didn't want this to be touched at all. I am, however, not aware how important peace after death is in the Swedish culture. If there are those type of interests involved, it can get really messy.

@@Pottan23 i can maybe see the (HORRIBLE) locks on the door on the bow visor snapping at the bottom of the sea. but /:

What is that memorial for?

@@civillady13 It's for the people who died in the fire.

Yep. I walked past it today in Oslo.

Agreed. Any member of the crew should be able to find their way out from any point on board the ship under limited visibility conditions (e.g. smoke filled corridors, darkness) and should be able to at least know enough of the most common passenger language(s) to point people towards the exits and perform other safety critical tasks (it is just a few sentences after all)

"There was no excuse for the astonishingly poor emergency preparedness onboard this ship." If it was arson committed for insurance fraud, then that's exactly what you want.

@@jvccr7533 Murder or manslaughter investigations are the last thing you would want if you intended to commit insurance fraud. The police put a LOT more resources into investigating suspicious loss of life than they do for fraud. Would you really want dozens of police poking around the ship in addition to the accident investigation people? The smartest thing to do would have been to ensure absolutely no one died and that would mean having your crew well-trained in emergency procedures.

@@andymanaus1077 reasonably no, you indeed wouldn't. Was sure there were cases like this, but couldn't find any on the spot.

And at the inquiry the crew argued that training drills wouldnt have helped and at worst would "make the situation more confusing, this way the crew ran straight to exits and led passengers to safety". You know, except the 158...smh

How nice it would be to still be an ignorant, privileged child huh. I don't know why exactly I remember this now, but around 2 - 4 years ago there was a fire in a building close by in an area that is very industrial, a lot of stuff in a lot of warehouses, often not safely stored, and there is also a lot of shops and general office buildings, it was the second or third fire there within only a few years and you never quite know what will be affected and how bad it could be, and then there was this child on the tram crying because she didn't get to go to where the smoke comes from because her parents said it was too dangerous but it would have been "so great to see". Those things just seem so different to children.

Happened the same to me, but was the day of the WTC 😕

I was only 5 when MS Estonia sank, so I don't remember how big the coverage was for us Swedes (the majority of the passengers were Swedish), but I remember my dad saying "It feels like it was yesterday." on the 20's anniversary of the sinking.

@@Kkubey yeah sometimes children can't grasp the severity of the situation. sometimes that lack of understanding can put them in danger.

Hey don't feel bad, one of my early memories is being cranky that Saturday morning cartoons were being preempted for a report about some guy named Nelson getting out of jail...

Yes I lost a good friend on the Estonia . I remember seeing that ship in a Stockholm harbour just before the tragedy. I still remember to this day , that the Estonia seemed to have like a haze around her . I was a tour guide at the time around Scandinavia . Very sad . I believe the Estonia is still on the sea bed . No attempt was ever made to bring her back up to the surface !! I wonder why !! 😮😮😮.

I suggested this topic a few months ago, as someone living in Finland I'm fascinated and horrified by the fates of the victims and the still mysterious cause of the accident. He replied he'd been planning on making a video on it, but I think it will take a while

God bless John Manning . He too was a tour guide . 🙏❤️

Rest in peace John x

@@maureenhenderson720 they never raised her or took any of the bodies home for very suspicious reasons. They just wanted the whole thing covered in gravel and concrete and people where shushed down. It's all very sad and bizarre why they would act that way. I'm also sorry for your loss

Was he ok?

I'll never forget the radio interviews from that day. Blokes mourning their dead mates like: "what'll become of his wife and kids?" It was haunting. PS there was another much earlier tragedy when putting an under-water pipe from the Williamstown side where a bunch of workers got drowned in the air-lock. There's also the story of the first train from Geelong to Melbourne where a bloke lost his head leaning out of the train engine. Lots of interesting and tragic stories from our local history. I wish someone made a movie about them one day.

Westgate Bridge collapse video please

@@snakeinateacup869 He is okay, but he lost a good friend :(

Yes!!

and theyre fascists who should be in prison

Don’t you love a good routine?

Tuesday night here 8.44pm

But profits > lives

@@larrychilders6599 profits=fascism cuz theres fascism in profits

plainly difficult has a video on it with over 400k views for anyone who wants to watch something about it if fascinating horror doesn't cover it :)

It is also one of the most controversial since the reason why it sank and events that followed are shrouded in mystery.

@@TehPorkkana Yeah the Swedish government tried to cover the ship in concrete and made it illegal to dive around the wreck

Netflix have done a really great docuseries on the MS Estonia

@@dangerousandy just tried to search for it on Netflix and I couldn't find it

Karma was working overtime when he got his just desserts.

@@andymanaus1077 He didn’t start the fire. As said in the video, forensic experts say it was most lilac started by multiple people with deep knowledge of the ship ie the captain and crew.

I do the same. I keep a pair in my desk drawer.

There are many other downsides. Cruise ships are bad for the environment, treat their workers like crap, ignore many safety regulations and crime on board often goes unpunished due to their flag states not caring much about it, they are bad for the cities they visit, obviously in the pandemic we have seen how easily they can become plague ships,...

@@Taladar2003 At the time this ship was being used as a ferry.

Thnx, I really didn't get that, now I do.

Or at the mercy of other people without a conscious.

At the mercy of greed

Many of the requirements where heightened because of this disaster. There where many factors. But apart from the arsonist setting the fire, I would say the main reason it got so bad was that entire compartments where being refurbished while the ship was in traffic. Having an entire empty section with flamable building materials, and not even securing the area was a bad idea.

@@mullahviking I think he mentioned they used a very flammable resin as well to repaint the ship. Just horrible all around.

@@scottsanburn204 You know what is insane? In the refurbishment they where in the process putting sawdust wallpaper on top of that very flamable resin.