The Season 9 Hanzo experience (Placements) 

Trying out some new hanzo ideas live on stream today twitch.tv/arrge (or ru-vid.comlive ) DROPS ONLY ON TWITCH THO (cool zen skin + weapon charm)

Hanzo mains didn't want it for headshots to be easier, it was about earning those headshots.

I can’t lie seeing a lot more hit markers really spiked that dopamine. However dinging a stupid Moira in the head and seeing her just fade away hurts.

Hanzo mains: spamzo isn't real, he can't hurt you. OW Devs: ...about that...

They took the one shot potential out of Hanzo and Junkrat. Although its frustrating for other players to die from burst damage these hero's now rely on spam damage and less on mechanical skill making them less fun to play.

The changes they’ve made to Hanzo ironically makes him exactly the thing people complained about Hanzo

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High Masters Hanzo main here. I have kind of found a way to make this hero work, even with my original play-style as a short flanker with no pocket (currently haven't lost a game yet). My main problem with this hero though, is while he's more consistent from fight to fight with the projectile changes, if your team is not playing properly, your own personal value drops off drastically, even if you're hitting all your shots, due to his limitations. Basically it feels like he has very little to no solo clutch potential. Being able to clutch a point in a 1v4 or 2v4 is basically impossible unless your other teammate is a Mercy. True, that didn't happen all that often, but it was POSSIBLE. The projectile size changes are currently like staples barely holding the hero together. If his is one of the projectiles getting reduced in size, the hero is potentially dead. What I liked about playing him before, while difficult, you could hard carry a game if you were good enough.

Widow shoots hanzo arrows, genji shurikens are the size of small children, soldier can hold left click in the general direction of "red" and hit 2/3rds of his clip. This update was the "too much of our playerbase SUCKS at aiming" update.

I used to feel kinda proud of myself for being able to hit shots with Hanzo. But now I feel like it's a dirty move to pick Hanzo.

Hanzo is the only reason I ever picked up overwatch back in 2016 and he’s the reason I still play to this day. Few characters can truly dominate as much as a good Hanzo, along with some luck. The amazing thing about Hanzo was there was always a shot. Last team fight your whole team is dead but you just got a headshot and now it’s a 1 v 2 for the win. You get another and stall out for some help or you just get both the dudes with some crazy clip. They didn’t take too much and gave a lot back but the feeling of the gameplay is something that cannot be returned. Overall not too upset could be good for the game. Love you Hanzo.

Hanzo was the character that rewarded skill and patience when hitting your shots. The new character feels more like junkrat than the Hanzo i've spent years playing.

They removed one shot from a travel time time projectile hero, with whom you had to to aim, AND predict, AND account for bullet drop and travel time, instead of from the hitscan point and click character widowmaker. Previously, if you relied on luck and spam, you were always more of a hindrance to your team because you could do better with any other hero. Now, that’s supposed to be your main play style. The devs were bullied into this change by horrible players who were punished by hanzo for their godawful movement and positioning.

As a widow main, what they did to Hanzo is criminal. Hell, what they did to widow is criminal, just in a different way.

Definitely feel like the new Hanzo changes impact your play style which in turn changes the style or flow of your videos. Doesn’t mean change is bad, excited to see what you come up with next!

Hanzo is supposed to be a skill based character, rewarding patience and positioning, now it's just spam based.

0:17 HOLY FUCK!!! Hanzo did not need this. 3:37 Very good Distraction.

12:10 "GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT!"

The Devs Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should.

Seeing sensei Arrge not doing his usual thing hurts. Stay strong and let us medidate for better times my fellow Hanzo brothers!

I haven't played this game in a minute, but always enjoy your gameplays. It's wild to me that they removed hanzo's main utility with 1 shots for most of the characters, and made Widow so much easier with almost no downsides. Widow has always seemed like the more problematic "1 shot" character in the gameplay as a noob, and it seems like the same is true in higher ranks looking at pick rates in competitive, and pro matches. Hopefully this shakes out sooner rather than later so Hanzo gets his identity back.

The projectile size and storm arrow feel great, but the fact that you can't one shot a Kiriko with a fully charged arrow headshot is absurd. lmao

With the changes made Hanzo wound up getting a 50% increase in his shot hit box, but pretty much lost access to an entire style of play. I think it would be preferable to most players if instead they made his arrow hit box 1.2, or even 1.1 instead of 1.5, buffed his damage by five for a total of 125, and dropped his HP to 225. With these numbers he's still competitive with other DPS in terms of accuracy, but still would require aim to land shots. He could two shot with body shots, but with a universal healing passive any average hp target could just go to cover after a single body shot and wait five seconds to start healing up. He would be able to one shot most heroes again on a head shot, but would be more susceptible to damage trades himself. Realistically without the one shot there isn't a lot of reason to play Hanzo when I could just grab solder or sojourn and constantly apply the 20% healing de-buff and have high burst damage cool downs to supplement the steady damage overtime that is incredibly easy to land now.

Hanzo not having a one shot anymore just destroys the fun of his his arrows having a bigger hitbox

Hanzo used to be a precision machine with a very high skill ceiling. His high difficulty and high damage are supposed to average out, but a skillful player could overcome the difficulty for a big impact. Unfortunately, the larger hurtbox lowers difficulty, thus lowering the skill ceiling, while the HP buffs mean he's less impactful than before. It is nice that team fights are longer.

You made me fall in love with the character, predicting where the enemy will be for the perfect head shots is the hanzo hero fantasy. They ruined him. Made him exactly the version that people hated. All the skill expression of the character is gone. It feels lucky and random even more since even hanzo doesn’t know if his shot will kill. Much better to play hitscan instead.

Even when you're forced to adopt a more dynamic and upfront approach with hanzo, man your skill shines through no matter what. Even though you're in the frontlines more rather than assassinating unaware targets you're still having so much impact it's really nice to see.

There's some plus sides, like Hanzo can survive solo flanking the enemies (healing passive) and he can also play in the frontline (extended HP) but lost its essence of "Assassin Hanzo" as one-shot kill no longer exists, also the weight of storm arrows are too high (damage increased and cool down decreased) leading to more spamming than precise plays.

Blizzard: Hanzo can't 1 shot anymore! Also Blizzard: Forgets about mercy... again

Even since overwatch one the whole point was a sniper who takes off angles, and now 1 shots gone, thats like taking doomfists punch away, or tracers blink, it completely changes how u play the hero

Being honest, it requires you to spam incessantly and is clearly leading me and others to carpal tunnel. Now the "logs" are smaller, still can't one shot, and even harder to keep spamming. It feels like Hanzo plays like a strange mix of Soldier-meets-Tracer/Echo. Sort of an off angle, spray, get in, burst with spam rapidly, finish the unloading, back up, repeat. it doesn't suck per se - but watching around 30% of my targets get away with 1hp is rough. EDIT: not having to focus on skill as much also lessens the fun of the hero, and watching him lose one shot, but still require effort for a headshot, but have a Widow be able to one tap everyone out to 70m is ridiculous

I loved your humour in the video, still I'm gonna miss your slime and assasin Hanzo :c They were so fun to watch!

i think they could make Hanzo's arrows smaller and make his headshot do 250 damage. if the devs think the 1shot is unfair because of distance they could give the arrows the same falloff range as Widow. i know they can give the arrows a falloff range because they've done it before with Orisa

Hanzo is throwing pool noodles down field now.

I haven't watch too many of your recent videos but I enjoy the commentary notes you give over the gameplay

I played Hanzo for all of OW1 and now I feel like he's just another "tank buster". My first game in season 9, I got 7 headshots, almost back to back, and didn't secure a single kill. I immediately switched to hitscan characters so I can actually kill something while having fun

Hanzo in my opinion was always a solo playmaker, but now he feels like he needs to play alot around his team.

I feel the exact same way with junk rat taking out his one shot combo completely destroyed the character, no more rollouts and hit, scanned his giga buffed

Thoughts on some sort of bleed mechanic for headshots? Maybe headshot does the damage it does now plus 50 damage over like 5 seconds so theres a small window to start healing before dying?

as a hanzo main, thanks to you. I love the new season but no hanzo oneshot headshot anymore hurts. Shooting a healer headshot and not killing him doesn't feel good. Hopefully its gonna return soon. All we can do is pray🙏

OW2 is a game of nerf darts, bouncey castles, inflatible helmets, and Hanzo/Widow headshots.

"It turned Hanzo into the stereotype that everyone always forced on the character" this sums it up:(

They completely took out the reason i play hanzo

It's funny how much the way you describe how gameplay feels now is how everyone described 6v6 gameplay..

new hanzo is so boring smh

you inspired me to become a hanzo main some time ago, and i loved the shit out of the previous playstyle....... AND IM LOVIN THE NEW STYLE TOO. been absolutely eating the last few days, HUGE damage numbers, always leading elims, destroying lobbies and infuriating enemies with ABSURD burst damage which is literally on a faster cooldown I LOVE IT ITS TIME FOR HANZO MAINS TO EAT TF UP, ENJOY IT FOLKS!!!

I basically played ow bc of Hanzo, I just really love bows in Videogames, any videogame, in fps games, the best bow Ive ever played with was Hanzo’s, the fact that now it doesnt one shot-headshot enemies anymore makes it so boring to play without friends (I dont have any, Im a Hanzo player). I unironically uninstalled ow just when S9 came out, only coming back to ow if they fix their game (Impossible). Love you Arrge, will still watching u tho

Probably 90% of my playtime prior to season 9 was as hanzo, now I mainly play tank and healer. I think he is still very strong but it doesn't matter if he's not as fun/too easy to hit shots.

Nerf the projectile size by like ½ and up the damage back to 250 for headshots

Widow has a machine gun, a sniper, and a debuff trap as well as a grapple hook and wall hack ult. Hanzo has storm shot, wall climb, and radar arrow that bugs out and doesn't work sometimes, and a slow ass dragon ult that people can just walk out of now. Like if they'd give him like a explosive arrow or like a healing arrow like soldiers little healing packet that'd at least make flanking with him possible and limit him from having to have a mercy pocket.

As a Tracer player, I am really loving the new Kiri, Handsoap, Widow, Echo, Torb, Genji..... I have learned so many new ways back from spawn.

shoutout to that Mercy tanking that rocket for you lol 12:13

New Hanzo is a neutered, watered down version of the character I learned to love

Yah, they should have kept hanzos projectile size the same and kept his one shot ability (so boost damage of fully loaded arrow with current larger health pools), reduced his storm arrows to 3 arrows, same fire speed, duration 3 seconds, with 5 second cooldown. Keep the heal passive. This would have made Hanzo his true expression: a sneaky assassin. The heal passive gives him i dependence since he would heal himself as he repositions. The smaller projectile size would ensure that not everyone could just pick hanzo and win. The smaller storm batch (3 vs 5) would reduce the ‘spamzo’ feel when a Hanzo misses his first shot and then pops storm and now has 5 retries in just over a second. The shorter cooldown would make storm arrows to be more useful to finish off opponents since they would be up more often. But you still need high skill because the projectile size would be smaller (than now) and you would only have 3 arrows.

"witness the flame of my soul!" It's like blizzard took that sentence and decided to douse the flame. Every shot hurts.

Its so frustrating and unsatisfied to headshot someone with Hanzo and dont get the kill, i dont understand what Blizzard was smoking that time. Imagine being a smiper who cannot 1 shot any hero becides a few exceptions

To an extent i sorta see what they were trying to do by making hanzo not 1 shot anymore. Like being 1 shot by a near silent hero can be a bit annoying, with widow at least you usually know she's there. But this current state is not fun. Maybe a good solution would be giving hanzo some sort of additional benefit to headshots? Like what if when he headshots someone with normal arrow and it almost kills them he gets temporary wallhacks on that player and a storm arrow refresh, encouraging quick 1-2 combos. This would help with people ducking behind cover after headshot and put more emphasis on "simple geometry"

We finally have the spamzo everyone has been talking about the whole game

Mained hanzo a week ago to one shot, and now I can't..... love your videos btw 😁

That brig doing the Sombra-style C9 twice while standing on top of the payload lmao

Read recently that they’re planning to adjust some of the changes they made at the start of S9, hopefully that includes certain hitboxes (Hanzo for one, but as a support player I have to say Kiri and Zen feel kinda ridiculous) and some hitscan characters like 76 or Widow

17:09 ahh yes my favorite metastrat. the "patient, ranged archer turns into manic, in your face gunner" strategy. subvert expectations and catch em off guard!

small correction: widow new bullets are size 0.05 while hanzo old arrows are size 0.1

These changes dumb down the hero, and take away player agency. Everyone remember when Hanzo mains were the most hated players ever? It's bc they all played like this, how we're all being FORCED to play now. Before s9, the sneaky/assassin playstyle had emerged. That's much more rewarding of positioning and gamesense, and it fits SO much better with Hanzo's character identity. Granted, you could still spam at choke points. But it was much less reliable, so you were encouraged to actually think about what you were doing and go for unaware targets instead. A smaller arrow hitbox, and the ability to still one-shot headshot, is what Hanzo needs and deserves.

I think this is the first season where im actually happy to have a hanzo on my team

The old Arrge videos where he just killed shit and shared his adventures in ranked, death match, etc and he didn’t have the need to explain himself was very nostalgic for me and inspired me to learn Hanzo.

At the beginning of the season I hated that they removed HK, but after destroying this giant hitbox I realized that Hanzo became even stronger.

That kill on the S76 was hilarious!

So many worthy voice clips this video “Cosmetic DPS” “Oh shxt, a stack of Finnish people”

i was taking a shower until a storm arrow ripped through my shower curtain.

Im like, the Australian Arrge, and yeah, I very much dislike the Hanzo changes too. Without leaning right into the spamzo people are forced into doing, I am still trying to play likek its a 1 shot. Its' so hard to unlearn all I have learned from one shot hanzo era

Was just getting into playing hanzo as a new to pc overwatch player 😢

Hanzo losing his 1- hit kill headshot on most squishy champs, unaided, doesn't make sense to me. And I'm a support player. Blizz must truly have no idea how to work him out with the rest of the game. It's a testament to your ability that you can still kick butt on Hanzo tho, no matter the jank. Your skills are a sight to behold. Love your stuff man, keep having fun and doing your thing no matter the stream snipers and haters.

This really shows how the "mercy pocket range" should never, ever be in the game. Something should either one shot, or two shot even with a Mercy, as the in between is just the worst of both world. It's still basically as frustrating as a one shot from the receiving end since, yn, dying after losing 10hp doesn't exactly feels fair, and it's frustrating for the DPS since they can no longer chain kills effectively. I used to be in the "make hanzo not one shot" camp, but this can't be pulled off without a significant rework and this is clearly not it. This change just makes the game worst for everyone.

I love the soldierification of the dps heroes. Hanzo is a snoozefest now

i feel like to a certain extent, we needed that dmg for 1 shots due to how it can be difficult to hit certain shots and be considered... useful to our teams, as a hanzo main since like Overwatch 1 season 8. Not being able to properly get solo kills from well placed shots takes the high away from headshots with him. It no longer feels like im a huge factor to a win or loss to a fight or game anymore as hanzo

New Hanzo feels like he shoots Intercontinental ballistic intentions. The hitbox is huge, but it only causes emotional damage. Hanzo is now the La Croix of DPS. They basically made him into projectile Ashe, and it feels bad

As a Hanzo/Genji player I couldnt be happier with the update. Thing is its so infuriating not being rewarded on headshot anymore with a kill UNLESS with another character involved. The hitbox is absurd in the most fun way though ending games with 20k easy is so much fun.

You should make a counter of how many headshots u get without getting the kill until they revert it

The commentary at the beginning was actually very entertaining imo

I really enjoy how fights feel like fights now instead of just who dives better. Longer fights are much more interesting and allow for more counterplay imo. Best part of season 9. I think the health buffs were a good change overall which obviously were a massive part of elongating the fights. HOWEVER, as a player with bad aim, the hitboxes are pretty ridiculous. I hit some shots that I know I never would have hit in season 8, and while it feels good, it also feels unearned

i came to this channel for the insane hanzo plays. i stayed for the "cleanus penus". i bet you could talk over a game of Pong and still make me laugh.

Bro the arrows aren’t logs anymore… they are goddamn sequoia trees

They made the world's most accurate hanzo more accurate

I'm just a gold player but I play with my IRL friends and Hanzo was always my favourite because it was fun. Nothing feels better then hitting a headshot to get a kill. Now he just feels super boring and none of us are playing this season. It's crazy how one little change has affected us playing

Would be cool if they added a larger variety of arrows and made his dps slightly lower. A wall jack arrow, a poison arrow, a flash bang arrow etc would increase the skill expression

As a widow main and primarily hitscan player, hitscan bullet sizes did not need an increase and should be decreased to its previous state. To compensate that projectiles should be decreased by .05 For example, instead of kiriko being .25 (her current projectile) it would now be .2 and so on. If they decide to keep the increased sizes those increases should be hero specific mostly catered towards projectile characters since no hitscan needed these changes.

Hanzos whole identity is to oneshotting using a projectile that just needs you to catch people off guard to do. Now not only did they take that part away which needed skill, but also increased projectile size making it even less rewarding bc its just spam simulator now. Honestly the only thing they need to do is revert the change from season 8 which made him unable to os 250 heroes, while also lowering his projectile size to how it was. The way he was before

i absolutely HATE the hanzo changes, they literally turned him into spamzo when trying to fix him. Bring back 1 shot and shrink the hitbox to even smaller than it originally was. Just buff his dmg by 5 so he can 1 shot 250 health targets on headshot.

id rather it be near impossible to hit a headshot 1 tap then no 1tap at all without third party. its what made the hero so satisfying and worth putting hundreds of hours of practice into

As a Hanzo main, his shots feel way easier to hit; however, losing the one-shot capability definitely affects how enjoyable the experience is overall.

“Oh shit it’s a stack of Finnish people” idk why but that line sent me bro

Honestly if they just reduce the slow on arrow draw “movement speed”,speed up draw time by 50%, lower max arrow too 100, give him faster wall climb “Kirko wallclimb” and a second usage of wallclimb after using the leap “before touching ground” then he’s his own character again! And just maybe he doesn’t need a mercy to hold his hand at all times.

I know you didn't have fun but the content is still great. Some of those shots were absolutely nuts. Keep it up arrge hopefully you find a way to have fun

The hitbox buff might be the worst change ever to overwatch. It's not a significant balance change, it's not a rework, all it does is reduce the impact a player's skill has.

Not really seen much of new hanzo but idk I feel like overwatch should make him more mobile to hit shots from sneaky places rather than staying back and being a glamorized Sentry Gun

I liked the one shot bc I could stop plays happening carrying my team now it’s harder, like you said, actually engaging with the team now but I lose more games

The should revert hanzo hit box and give on shot head shots back. As well as making the tip of the arrow the the hit box and not the back part.

Idk what to think this was not a bad update but that satisfaction of one shot click sound is gone now

There was a reason it was called "Tree trunk arrow Hanzo" back in old school OW.....lol