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The Secret Science of Perfect Spacing 

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This week, we dive headfirst into something I think about way too much: spacing. Spacing is what gives UI's that "oddly satisfying" feel when done right, and that "something's off" feeling when it's done poorly. How do you design spacing correctly? Should you use a framework? Let's find out!
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@romeominecraft5500
@romeominecraft5500 Месяц назад
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T THINK I'M CRAZY WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF
@8rbit
@8rbit Месяц назад
yeah that's because you're watching a graphic designer who thinks about this frequently
@stepanyaresko
@stepanyaresko Месяц назад
but even after watching the video I still have so many questions and uncertainty about margins 😭😭
@feelcollins4358
@feelcollins4358 Месяц назад
@@stepanyaresko What sort of questions have you got? I think it was perfectly explained, as a general rule of thumb you don't aim for mathematical symmetry for margin spacing but optical ones. that said "optical" view can change drastically depending on the composition of the content, I suggest looking through great UI designs like those made by Google team "Material Design" or Apple's design resource etc to train your eyes
@faizbyp
@faizbyp 16 дней назад
fr fr
@nomadshiba
@nomadshiba Месяц назад
kde devs needs to watch this
@carlynghrafnsson4221
@carlynghrafnsson4221 Месяц назад
They can't get theming right just yet. They probably need to hire a straight graphic designer versus programmers doing UX. Well, I got custom colors though. I'm easy.
@vemuyaswanth803
@vemuyaswanth803 Месяц назад
true 🤣😭
@DasIllu
@DasIllu Месяц назад
Well i am on Gnome and i too have to hammer it in shape with addons 😀
@kishirisu1268
@kishirisu1268 Месяц назад
Every linux UI not even using proper grids, they just slap text into window and hope for the best.. probable those people do not have time to watch such tutorials and get better skills.
@erlgr
@erlgr Месяц назад
I laughed so hard at this comment, because it's absolutely true
@etsequentia6765
@etsequentia6765 Месяц назад
I'm impressed. The Spacing Guild is a lot more friendly and approachable than I expected.
@refchannel1167
@refchannel1167 Месяц назад
top tier comment 👏🏻
@artxiom
@artxiom Месяц назад
Let the Sp(a)ice flow...
@HokoraYinphine
@HokoraYinphine Месяц назад
​@@artxiom"Let the spaice flow"
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
can you just imagine a bunch of designerbros in airpod maxes and snapbacks going "yeah bro ill take you right to awwwards"
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
floating in tanks of vape clouds
@imohitmayank
@imohitmayank Месяц назад
A video nobody asked for, but everyone is grateful for👏
@Dominasty
@Dominasty Месяц назад
These are all things I have been doing for years, intuitively. My secret? A certain kind of spatio-visual OCD. NOT self-diagnosed. But to see you so thoroughly break down what I'm doing without thinking...man...I can't believe how brilliant your mind is. It's one thing to just quickly get your work done and doing it well. But it is a whole other thing to be able to explain the deep logic, WITH visuals and animation, behind those decisions.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Brilliant? Nah. Vyvanse and free time. But you're very kind!
@haveyouseenitthough
@haveyouseenitthough Месяц назад
I’m the same (not on the OCD I don’t think but with doing this intuitively) except I’m a dev so I often get frustrated when design give me Figma designs that don’t follow the same rules every time
@tommalycha3180
@tommalycha3180 Месяц назад
This may be the most clear and consistent video tutorials for graphic design I have seen. Please create a video about using text sizing and colour value in hierarchy. Thank you for putting out great content! 😀
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Stay tuned, it's on the way!
@ralkey
@ralkey Месяц назад
I am actually surprised at how much I learned from this random video on my home page.
@NoVIcE_Source
@NoVIcE_Source Месяц назад
even considering this is kind of an ad, i didnt even mind that lol
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Genuinely appreciate that, my next one will be less in your face about that haha
@martink5453
@martink5453 Месяц назад
I'd keep it up You're running a business, not being a RU-vidr ;)
@raxkhmanLite
@raxkhmanLite Месяц назад
ONLY FIFTH VIDEO IN THE CHANNELL!!?? The quality felt like you’ve produced at least hundred of them!
@YainVieyra
@YainVieyra Месяц назад
That's called Design.
@AlexMittsVOID
@AlexMittsVOID Месяц назад
"Body text go brrrrr" got me good. Fantastic watch, btw.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Thank you very much!
@bruce-le-smith
@bruce-le-smith Месяц назад
haha i appreciated that too, then lorem ipsum
@MRX-ff4vy
@MRX-ff4vy Месяц назад
bodytext go
@BaldrianSector1996
@BaldrianSector1996 Месяц назад
Studying Coded Design. Always struggled to understand why things worked. This was such a great simple explanation and makes so much sense to me. No more eyeballing. 🙌🏻
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Glad it helped!
@krishc.8980
@krishc.8980 Месяц назад
i was surprised by the level of excellence and quality. definitely underrated
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
"surprisingly good" that should be my new slogan! Haha
@mhdm
@mhdm Месяц назад
Summary: 1) The more related the elements the closer they should be. 2) All spacing values used should be from a small set of exponentially increasing values. 3) For an even-looking spacing put the top left corner of an element on a 45 deg line meeting the top left corner of its container.
@RavenMobile
@RavenMobile Месяц назад
As a self-taught graphic and web designer, I got annoyed pretty early on with how fonts have a random bounding box, sometimes _WAY_ bigger than the largest letters (they seem to be spaced based on the largest symbol present in the font). So I got in the habit of adding fixed padding to left/right/bottom and then eyeball the top padding. Really annoying that there's not most consistency in this.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
If your text elements line height is set to 1.272 unitless and the font size is derived from golden ratio coefficients measured in rem (e.g. 1.618rem, 1.272rem, 1.128rem, 1.06rem, or 0.618, 0.272, and so on) then you can always get guaranteed perfect top padding by simply making it 1em/1.272.
@tiruialon
@tiruialon Месяц назад
Bounding boxes exist for a reason. Assuming all letters going into an input tag will always be ascii exclusive is pretty narrow minded. Imagine the world wide chaos that would ensue if browsers decided to pander to that kinda mindset. Hardest clap back of a lifetime. The amount of developers running this kind of 'Works on my machine' mentality is disgusting.
@livinagoodlife
@livinagoodlife Месяц назад
@@tiruialontouch grass bro
@tiruialon
@tiruialon Месяц назад
@@livinagoodlife Craftsmanship has died, and arguably never existed in programming. This is why. Not caring.
@livinagoodlife
@livinagoodlife Месяц назад
@@tiruialon craftsmanship has never existed in programming? Man you’re something else.
@ConorDrew
@ConorDrew Месяц назад
This video came up, I had a spare 10 minutes and loved it by the 3rd minute, can’t wait to see more and more of these and going into depth around certain areas. I have a refactoring UI book, and it’s really good, but the way yours animates and really dives in, shows a different perspective, the live demo was amazing too.
@robpt7779
@robpt7779 5 дней назад
I am not even remotely in your industry or in need of your services or solutions. But MAN! Was that an satisfying video to watch. Loved it!❤
@dingchiyue7734
@dingchiyue7734 2 месяца назад
Love the story and the smooth animation! Thanks!
@harane
@harane Месяц назад
im a highschool student who's been considering taking up ui design when im older. all of the things he said in the video clicked with me and i absolutely love the subject matter at hand here. im excited to learn more stuff if i do eventually decide on making this my final career path!
@lanceflores9832
@lanceflores9832 2 месяца назад
you deserve a lot of subs. such a comprehensive video. thank you!
@chuck_stones
@chuck_stones Месяц назад
This was such a great video! Thanks guys and thank you Duff for being the first bassists playing I really fell in love with!
@MisraPreetiman
@MisraPreetiman Месяц назад
Excellent quality and depth of research. Instant sub.
@wildmonkeymind
@wildmonkeymind Месяц назад
As someone trying to get a better feel for design I really appreciate this, and the visualization and animations for the different spacing were beautifully executed. Beautiful video!
@EvilTim1911
@EvilTim1911 Месяц назад
I'm a developer and I just use the values provided by our designers without much thought, but this video puts into perspective how much thinking has to be done on the design side as well, great stuff
@patricknelson
@patricknelson Месяц назад
Sometimes, even if you do follow the values from the designers, it might not match the comp because they may not be accounting for things like box height, and line height, and that sort of thing. You might be back to eyeballing it again. 😬
@yakine13
@yakine13 Месяц назад
That's unbelievable well explained. Thank you so much!
@Eutrofication
@Eutrofication Месяц назад
idk if the channel is gone stay too small forever if you keep putting out bangers like this one
@JuanManuelTastzian
@JuanManuelTastzian 12 дней назад
I don't know why I was recommended this, but I'm glad I did. This was super interesting and clear. I am currently designing a very small mockup of a box with a title, an image, etc. to present a digital product, and this comes in very handy. Thanks for sharing!
@astridwilde
@astridwilde Месяц назад
simple. elegant. memorable. brilliant. thank you
@webbae
@webbae Месяц назад
Garret you absolutely smashed it with this video. I can't wait to learn LiftKit!
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
senpai noticed me 👉👈
@cdgonepotatoes4219
@cdgonepotatoes4219 9 часов назад
Getting that satisfying spacing is the exact reason I use monospaced in documents, single heading and just use three character sizes which are multiples of 4.
@AlohaMichaelDaly
@AlohaMichaelDaly Месяц назад
I was a graphic designer and finished artist in the 70s + 80s. My colleagues and myself instinctively understood spacing relationships and appreciated typography. We marked up hard copy and with a surgeon’s knife cut and pasted galleys into precise positions. It’s been the most frustrating time in the transition from print to digital web editing because nurds controlled development without the slightest acknowledgement of design and designers. It’s only today seeing this video tutorial that I feel the nitty gritty aspect of design is being recognized to the point where print has been for centuries or at least since off-set printing. Now design is being thrust upon developers to code. But the system is a mess. We’re coming up to half a century of developers’ arrogance and oppression of design and designers. It’s a travesty that designers were not partnered from the get go. I dare say that the international web code is fundamentally flawed and at odds with the visual aspirations of good and efficient screen communications: design.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Hopefully we'll come up with a system they can both understand!
@mateuszpaszko9542
@mateuszpaszko9542 Месяц назад
The editing is so satisfying, great video !!!
@fever4174
@fever4174 Месяц назад
I don’t do anything on the web yet, but this video was pretty useful for my work with printed text documents. Got too sucked into the leading and the sequences, and was wondering why it felt off. Your insights on the semantic relationships was super helpful. Thank you.
@user-fp8lc4cv6p
@user-fp8lc4cv6p Месяц назад
best video I've watched about spacing and thats surprising how much people don't talk about it
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
To be honest im genuinely shocked this video is gaining traction I thought there was literally zero interest in this kinda thing haha
@thevoicesinmyhead1976
@thevoicesinmyhead1976 Месяц назад
Awesome content, and I'm just 3 minutes in. Keep it up with the good work. Thank you very much!
@alanrm
@alanrm Месяц назад
What a great video. Hope to see more like this. Subscribed!
@samuelbreuer
@samuelbreuer Месяц назад
Best sales pitch ever! Fantastic video Thank you!
@two_horus7337
@two_horus7337 Месяц назад
Great video! Will be in touch in the coming months 👍
@ibnuzzaki9859
@ibnuzzaki9859 Месяц назад
I work often as book/article formatter, and this video just hits the spot....
@KamaKase
@KamaKase Месяц назад
Great video. But I preferred the left box. The heading is too close to the top on the right one when you do the comparison.
@jonnyhifi
@jonnyhifi Месяц назад
I’m glad it’s not just me - albeit the video is excellently made - the first example I really disliked it. The narrator said “the right one feels better spaced”, to me the exact opposite. The right one felt really scrunched up awkwardly to the top left … to the extent I’d have commented how badly layed out it was to others. It shows how matters of taste are personal.
@Metruzanca
@Metruzanca Месяц назад
This is absolute amazing explanation.
@sergeyagronov9650
@sergeyagronov9650 Месяц назад
excellent video on spacing , really good material and explanations
@andreas-at
@andreas-at Месяц назад
this video and explanation are golden! thanky you :)
@LP...
@LP... Месяц назад
As a frontend developer trying to learn a bit about web design to make sites that sucks less I appreciate your video, Thanks! I always have problems with the line height and the spacing from the border to the text first pixels.
@tacticsplus
@tacticsplus 23 дня назад
I had to watch some complementary videos first like about EM, REM, and why use them instead of pixels, what is the golden ratio, etc to understand this video. But it was worth it, simplified so much and gave me a permanent guideline to work with. Thanks.
@jaylinbooker6798
@jaylinbooker6798 27 дней назад
Love this!! It's so intuitive and informative. I want to learn more!
@Umar-fm3vs
@Umar-fm3vs Месяц назад
One of the best videos on web design I have watched
26 дней назад
Underrated channel, just thinking of improving my design lately and this video got recommended to me, nice.
@evanjoyal9540
@evanjoyal9540 26 дней назад
Awesome vid. I didn't realize I was watching a video for webflow, and this cemented some of the learnings I've made over the years. Cloneable looks great, will try it.
@batchrocketproject4720
@batchrocketproject4720 Месяц назад
Nice explanation, thanks. I'd never realised how useful treating the bottom margin as the spacer is. I considerably improved the appearance of some basic text markup with some css rules applying the ideas I learned here very quickly. I think I'll delve a little deeper too as the gains will be worth the effort.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Woohoo! This is so nice to hear, I'm so glad it's helpful!
@Loumo
@Loumo Месяц назад
I very nearly avoided this video just because of the unnecessary 2nd part of your title (“I Promise This Is Interesting”). Just some feedback! Otherwise very interesting video ;)
@ArThur_hara
@ArThur_hara Месяц назад
So he changed the title?
@madhavraghu
@madhavraghu 15 дней назад
yes it implies that the video is actually not interesting and we would need some convincing to watch it
@Bodzilla001
@Bodzilla001 Месяц назад
I think the space between heading and sub-heading needs to be greater than the space between sub-heading and paragraph simply because sub-heading and paragrath have a stronger relationship than heading and sub-heading - other than that, brilliant vid!
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Context-dependent, as always!
@olillin
@olillin Месяц назад
I learnt so much from this! Great video
@abdullahiafolabi6905
@abdullahiafolabi6905 14 дней назад
Interesting. FINALLY someone here explains what I've been struggling with for a long time . Thanks alot
@Llamaful
@Llamaful Месяц назад
Such a high quality video! good work
@hruzen
@hruzen Месяц назад
Loved your video, got the best explanation and examples! You earned a sub
@Tiamarruca
@Tiamarruca 26 дней назад
I don´t know why this video appear on my feed, but I´m so greatful for it. Spacing is the hardest thing to do when it comes to do any in design related. I´m just talking as an amateur gal who has to do ton of presentations and infographs. Very helpful!!!
@lukeyd13
@lukeyd13 Месяц назад
I would appreciate a longer version of thisb
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
I finished recording it today, I'm so tired 😩
@tedijevtic6756
@tedijevtic6756 9 дней назад
such a good quality video!!! keep it up
@giordanolugo
@giordanolugo Месяц назад
This is amazing 😮
@rolandixor
@rolandixor Месяц назад
I love this!
@alexandercato7400
@alexandercato7400 Месяц назад
Appreciate this video so much
@igrb
@igrb Месяц назад
this was so helpful, nice vid!
@abhishekparmar4983
@abhishekparmar4983 Месяц назад
As an engineer who often does frontend this is gold
@aissa9225
@aissa9225 Месяц назад
The quality of this video is just ✨
@user-td5gy2fh3p
@user-td5gy2fh3p Месяц назад
Please please please make a full, straight to the point, no fluff course on all this. This is incredibly interesting. As a software engineer, I would love to have this knowledge for when working on my side projects and side hustles. Thanks.
@omeizasanni
@omeizasanni Месяц назад
such incredible value... subbed
@flwi
@flwi 12 дней назад
Wow, what an awesome video! Well done! Must have been a lot of work to animate all that so nicely.
@Touchgrassplz
@Touchgrassplz 6 дней назад
Yo this was helpful af and i love your rapndom ramblings
@ShaneCranor
@ShaneCranor Месяц назад
It would be great if you could condense all this information into a single page cheat sheet to cross reference while designing! Thanks for the video :)
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
It's on the way :)
@EnigmaverseElysium
@EnigmaverseElysium Месяц назад
My course and field has very little to do with this random video but I’m gonna implement some of the stuff I’ve learned here on our project. Thanks 😁
@davidh.5139
@davidh.5139 4 дня назад
I live for this kind of stuff. Make a discord for other designers to talk about niche stuff.
@stijnslats5850
@stijnslats5850 Месяц назад
Great video! The main problem is actually the line-height of textual elements together with dynamic content. Imagine I'm creating a simple reusable sections with a heading, subheading and text. The user can type whatever they want. Even capitalize everything. That will make it impossible to set a fixed margin or padding. You probably end up with an extra settings, which you don't want, because the user often doesn't understand this type of spacing principle...
@mohitrahaman
@mohitrahaman Месяц назад
very high quality presentation
@JuanPabloVasquez
@JuanPabloVasquez Месяц назад
this is pure gold 🏆
@programmers_sanctuary
@programmers_sanctuary Месяц назад
Can't believe you have a few subscribers. This video has a great vibe! I knew spacing was essential, but I've only bothered with typescale. I will now bother with spacing as well for aesthetics✨😂.
@manashkashyap7780
@manashkashyap7780 Месяц назад
Damn we need more content like this
@rohanayush
@rohanayush Месяц назад
Just beautiful! Just wanted to say hi! I hope and wish that you make more such great videos and get all appreciation you deserve.
@fedeh777
@fedeh777 Месяц назад
That body text really did go brrrr
@rafaelojeda
@rafaelojeda Месяц назад
This content is incredible!
@1azjoy
@1azjoy 2 месяца назад
just subscribed, keep it up please, many thanks to you
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official 2 месяца назад
Absolutely! Thanks for your support!
@cmyk8964
@cmyk8964 Месяц назад
I liked the left one better than the right one; it felt more balanced. Is it just me being CSS-brained?
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Nah it's just preference
@mattshu
@mattshu Месяц назад
Wow the production quality for the size of your channel is insane.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
It's why I only post every 3 months haha
@okie9025
@okie9025 Месяц назад
Backend devs are probably really confused right now
@Aj-000
@Aj-000 Месяц назад
Awesome video, I've been going through the motions of learning a design system and each category (Color, spacing, typography, etc). feels like a rabbit hole that has no end lol. Your explanations were clear and the animations helped further my understanding a lot, thank you!
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Embrace the rabbit hole! There is a bottom, I promise.
@RobBrogan
@RobBrogan Месяц назад
I really liked the friendship model of spacing increments. Instead of xs, sm, md… increments, I’ve heard them called “BFF4L” “BBF” “Friends” “acquaintance” etc. Kinda fun to think of all the elements knowing each other. Anyway, I started a new job and had to wing it on my own. So glad I found this! Might just copy and rename things with the buddy system ;)
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
Omg that is cute but I can only imagine how confused I'd be if Id learned English as a second language
@willpatersondesign
@willpatersondesign 4 дня назад
Love this video 🎉
@rathianeg2560
@rathianeg2560 Месяц назад
Yoo this is gold.
@AnisD756
@AnisD756 Месяц назад
golden ratio actually
@o_sch
@o_sch Месяц назад
Wow, great video, I thought you would have had way more subs. You definitely deserve more.
@mcd1814
@mcd1814 Месяц назад
Amazing video, as a UX designer I’ve rarely seen such a good explanation for spacing! The thing I’m always confused with is the different spacing settings in Adobe Xd / Figma around text boxes. Does anyone know if the spacing around these is equal to paragraphs (css) with 0 padding?
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout Месяц назад
This seems to be your first video that's animated and explained this way, I really like it! Needs more subs
@dprophecyguy
@dprophecyguy Месяц назад
So youtube has decided to promote this. Job Well done.
@theMadZakuPilot
@theMadZakuPilot Месяц назад
this video is brilliantly animated and informative . I learnt a lot and subbed, thank you. also, what software did you use to make these animations.
@chainlift.official
@chainlift.official Месяц назад
It's a Figma prototype that I just screen recorded with OBS 😅
@waterunderthebridge7950
@waterunderthebridge7950 Месяц назад
I guess it kinda bears testament to how beauty lies in the beholder’s eye with how I (and a few other comments) actually felt that the left example 1 was better centred/spaced. I don’t think it’s as universal as how the video makes it out to be
@rizwansayyed5043
@rizwansayyed5043 2 месяца назад
Lovely!!!!!!!
@mohammedsamir5142
@mohammedsamir5142 Месяц назад
❤ Great video
@mallickpriyanshu
@mallickpriyanshu Месяц назад
Love the content ❤
@dzsuvi
@dzsuvi Месяц назад
Swear to God man, this is the 7th time I play this video and I fell asleep 7 times. Not a joke, I always try to watch this when I go to bed... and it helps me with sleeping. So.. thanks
@gerit14
@gerit14 Месяц назад
I am so confused how I got here (I am anything but a designer), but I still really liked it.
@skyguy4164
@skyguy4164 Месяц назад
I wish I found you sooner. Much love
@letlaka8812
@letlaka8812 Месяц назад
The Gods of RU-vid have answered my prayers! Thank you for this video.
@alejandroalzatesanchez
@alejandroalzatesanchez Месяц назад
Quite the polished content.
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