@קומפרסור יהודים lol they dont sound arabic at all but yeah im a dumbass, i meant arab AND berber. Septimius severus was partly berber and punic from his father's side and so on(proto arab)
THANK YOU for actually providing solid information about the Severan Dynasty. All the other sources on the internet either are not reliable, or lacking in info.
Elagabulus was unlikely to have been transgender. The only account of that was from Cassius Dio who was a Senator who hated Elagabulus and a political opponent. Mostly likely the account was slander since other contemporary accounts did not mention it
Putting aside the question of Elagabalus and transgenderism, you left out a huge chunk of information about the man’s rule. He was a foul trickster and prankster of a fatal kind. He would hold big speeches and then lob poisonous snakes into the crowd, reveling in the chaos. He had a lottery game where he would have boxes of rats, snakes, bugs, rotten meat, etc. as the potential gifts. Not to mention he used to hide lions in the bedroom of guests so in the night they had to flee for their lives or be mauled. Lastly, you left out his religious side where he was a priest of bal. he would murder children and do divination with the entrails. He did this at dinner parties it is said with him grabbing a slave and killing him in front of the guests in order to divine some mundane matter. I think all this kind of overshadows your anachronistic analysis on sex and gender in 3rd Century Rome. Just saying you’d think the trickster stuff would be high on the mention list.
Goddamn bro, it’s a 12 min video. So he left out some facts about Eligabolis? He was probably never going to include them all. Sheesh just because he left them out doesn’t make any information presented, false. Chill out
You can't really exclude the whole idea of him being transgender as being slander from his opponents and then say everything else they accused him of was true lol. If you accept Cassius Dio's account of him as trickster uncritically, then you also have to accept his account of him wanting to have a vagina uncritically.
I appreciate that you believe El was transgender, but applying pronouns is very anachronistic. Being “offended” at the incorrect pronoun is such a new phenomena it still divides people today if made to comply forcefully, which is why we see it as so fragile. This modern stuff definition of sub-gender is something I can’t see Greeks or Romans getting caught up in and believe they saw this as an extension of “sexuality”, not gender, which was always a more dynamic thing. Just my thoughts. For example, there are guys who like to cross dress who’d be mortified to know they’re now being retconned as “she’s” by history channels. I really like your content btw, happy to subscribe and just offering a different perspective
@thucydideschannel you've invented modern gender ideology and transposed it onto someone simply role playing. It's like saying Commodus identified as Hercules and wanted Greek pronouns. It's nonsense and shows how you need to research more on the way Romans think. Recommend looking into Greek history for some of this as it helps the big pixture
@@thucydideschannelI feel a little bad for u that ur comments section is so infested with people who believe that "societal decadence" is a thing and that trans people are a distinctly modern concept. we've always been around, though certainly in different forms, and what someone does in their personal life has so much less of an effect on history than, you know, like: economics, demographics, broad societal trends, changes in labor relations and technology, etc etc.
I love your videos, but the retrospective "transing" of Elagabalus, particularly in changing his pronouns, is anachronistic at best, and an example of contemporary ideology rewriting history as obvious as that of Suetonius or Commodus' critics. Otherwise, a brilliant series of films!
she isnt being "transed" literally anybody who is trans looks at using he/him for elagabalus and feels uncomfrotable. theres a certain point where you have to just accept that youre cis and dont understand what transness looks like. were she alive today, she would have asked to use she/her pronouns. no matter hwo she was as a person, or who she hurt, it costs you nothign to not cause trans people living today this discomfort, nor even to respect that elagabalus was once a person.
@@lunacandide "respect that elagabalus was once a person"? What does that even mean? I get the impression that you don't really understand my original post. Retrospectively changing someone's pronouns is deceptive, no matter how hard you wish it had been true. Your feelings about today don't change the facts of what happened 1800 years ago. It is bizarre and moves me to pity that this small amount of truth should evoke such a melodramatic emotional reaction from you.
@@scolexuk I feel as though you misunderstand what the facts here. Elagabalus demonstrates, if any one of the sources we have speak accurately, multiple diagnostic criteria for transenss! And whether these exist or not, transness still existed then and always has. Just like depression, anxiety, ptsd, schizophrenia, etc. I will leave it to you to do that five second google search. But I will say - as long as there are sources saying that she literally requested feminine forms of address, why use masculine ones? as long as you indicate that, or forego that when you are sure the person you are speaking to is aware, where is the deception? Now, to discuss Elagabalus without discussing this possibility is deceitful. Personally I discovered her existence in this way and laughed about how obviously trans she was. There comes a point where both binary sets of pronouns would be equally valid, and we're there. You can use he/him and it be valid; just know that every trans person in the world easily pieces elagabalus as trans. And that a lot of trans people feel uncomfortable seeing other people misgendered. It's literally just basic consideration.
@lunacandide I don't care how you feel, I care about the retrospective application of a contemporary ideology to long-dead historical figures in an effort to legitimise its extraordinary and unsupportable claims. Elagabalus was trans in the same sense that Jesus Christ was a Marxist. I find it interesting that you claim to speak for "every trans person in the world", and equally telling that you use phrases like "cis people just don't understand" while simultaneously claiming unique and incontrovertible insight into the psychology of a long-dead historical figure with whom you do not even share a language, much less a cultural context. But OK, Elagabalus was a despotic spoilt teenager obsessed with the idea of his own unique divinity, typified by gleeful cruelty and a lack of concern for other human beings. I wonder why you are so eager to claim him as one of your own.
The first and last Severan emperors were decent or good. In contrast to Septimus Severus and Alexander Severus, the remaining three (Especially Caracalla, as Elagabalus and Geta, were only partygoers who didn't do too much to ruin the empire.)... yikes.
@@alessandrogini5283 Septimius severus was actually a very competent emperor out of the bunch. At least militarily. Administration sure wasn't his thing. And Alexander was just unlucky. He was a young boy forced into a position of power.
@@alessandrogini5283 maybe not avoid.. but probably lessen the damage it would bring. The economy was already screwed by his time. Barbarians attacking everywhere, and let's not forget usurpers XD. Cant have a crisis without those.
Not necessarily. Most of these claims come from writers like Cassius Dio and Herodian who wanted to make him look bad after his death. The cross-dressing stuff was more likely a way to explicitly demonstrate his decadence. Especially as he was Syrian and believed in an Eastern cult and rejected the Roman religion. People from the 'decadent' East were often seen as effeminate, so overall I think calling him trans is anachronistic and pointless.
Elagabalus never worshipped the Sun, this video is incorrect in that, El- A-Gabalus is the start of Abrahamic religion!.. Elagabalus worshiped the Black Rock, which is today known as the Black Cube, the Black Sun, the Kabbah, the Black square, in essence it is Saturn!.. the Severan dynasty are the Origin of Saturn Abrahamic religion, and there is nothing real about Abrahamic religion, until it was invented and in 200 AD, there was never a Moses, David, Solomon or Jesus... Julia Domna who was a member of the Severan dynasty, gathered the notes about the life of Apollonius of Tyana and later the other Severan members invented Jesus from Apollonius.
@@nadams8863 And the thing about the kabbah is also completely false. Muslims don't worship the kabbah. They pray towards it. All muslims in the world face one direction when they pray. And that is towards the kabbah. It's more of a symbolism really.
@@aromanlegionnair5096 that’s right, in fact the firsts muslims actually prayed towards the mizrah in Jerusalem (the direction where a lot of the Jewish diaspora prayed towards, but after a revelation, the qibla (Islamic direction of prayer) was changed to the Kaaba in Mecca. Think of the qibla as more of a compass, the Muslims don’t worship the actual monument, it’s really just to symbolise how God can unite his worshippers unto one unified “true” direction. If the Kaaba were to be destroyed tomorrow, the direction towards it would still not change. In fact, the Kaaba has been destroyed and rebuilt several times of the course of its history. If a Muslim were to find himself in foreign territory with no means of easy navigation, i.e no compass or unclear skies making constellation navigation impossible, they’re allowed to pray towards any convenient direction. As for the significance of the Kaaba and reason for changing the direction to it, my theory is that since even pre-Islamic Arabs, held the belief that the Kaaba was a holy site built by Abraham and his then exiled son, Ishmael but at the time was turned into a pagan temple, the eventual conversion of Mecca from mostly paganism to Islam made the Kaaba perceived as the paramount location of the reclamation or triumph of the Abrahamic God over paganism. Thus, cementing it’s significance for Muslims.
