The Sinking of Novorossiysk - A Battleship's Mysterious End

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Ship mysteries are a dime a dozen. Many ships have vanished over the years, without a trace. Like the entire Proteus class, outside of Langley. Similarly, many ships have had odd sinkings. Maine is the one most people point to, though that's pretty well solved at this point. Mutsu is another option, in this regard.
And then there's the ex-Giulio Cesare. Renamed to Novorossiysk after transfer to the Soviet Union, this ship had a troubled life. Constant refits and visits to the drydock. A maintenance nightmare and an already obsolete ship.
Things can, and generally do, always get worse in the Soviet (or Russian) Navy.
Novorossiysk would succumb to a massive explosion in 1955. The source of this explosion has been argued ever since. The most probable answer, and the generally accepted one, is an old German mine.
However, conspiracy theories abound. Generally featuring Italian frogmen acting like they're in a James Bond film. Those...range from unlikely, to plain silly.
This video will cover them all, regardless.
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@michaelinsc9724 17 дней назад

Given that WW2 sea mines are still being found, i have no issue with that explanation, including a faulty detonator not self disarming or not having gone off previously. The ship being in even a slightly different position would change the magnetic field affecting the detonator, plus the mine could also have drifted, twisted, etc.

@gamerxt333 17 дней назад

"Itsa mine", as an Italian might say...

@robertsolomielke5134 15 дней назад

Mine. They found 3 more nearby, so safe guess is a magnetic mine.

@SvenTviking 10 дней назад

Perhaps the battleship’s crew had not “degaussed” the ship?

@michaelinsc9724 10 дней назад

@@SvenTviking Or the degaussing equipment had not been maintained.

@DragonShadowfire1 17 дней назад

I always appreciate you covering warships like this one, especially because of the amount of lives lost during her eventual foundering. Funny enough, I was hypothesizing aloud when you mentioned the damage on the hull that it may have been done by a derelict sea mine. It is very unusual that one of those types of mines would still have the capability to detonate on its own after almost a decade of being left alone. The internal mechanisms were probably rusted/neglected to the point of being near inert, but evidently, something managed to set it off. I never realized this ship had such a stink of conspiracy theory surrounding it. While I absolutely enjoy a good mystery, I grow increasingly nauseous when I encounter people who just like to mouth breath theories about subjects they don’t understand. The lives lost on this Battleship couldn’t care less about what some internet no body thinks got them killed… Sorry to hop on a soap box for a bit there, I’m done. As a last note, I was surprised that this incident was what derailed Admiral Kuznetzov’s career! While he would, as you mentioned, be reinstated, I’m sure his prestige never fully recovered. Another awesome vid!!

@MrGoesBoom 17 дней назад

Not that surprising that an old mine would still be dangerous. It's 2024, they're still areas in Europe that are off limits because of munitions and mines from WW1, which ended over 100 years ago as of now. Being old just makes old ordinance like that more dangerous and unstable, not less.

@DragonShadowfire1 17 дней назад

Fair point. Reminds me of the ‘Herman’ bomb that was found in a town in England which still had the same destructive power it held almost a century ago.

@moosifer3321 17 дней назад

Having a `Comedy Carrier` named after an Admiral is truly wonderful. Mine!

@riverraven7359 17 дней назад

Maintenance was a serious issue with all soviet equipment. When you have as patch built a navy as Russia it gets even worse. The Italians do make pretty ships though.

@marckyle5895 15 дней назад

Better than the French floating brothels for sure. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9ygXLnRAm-A.html

@7thsealord888 17 дней назад

The basic sea mine theory makes sense. What happened here was unusual, but not unprecedented - potentially "live' munitions from ww2 continue to be an ongoing concern even now. I don't have any regard for the Italian frogmen theory. It might have been barely plausible around the time that the Giulio Cesare was first handed over, as there was a lot of strong feeling at the time. But, over 10 years later, when the ship was just one bad day away from sinking without outside help? I don't see it. I also note that both the ship's overall condition and maintenance thereof would have been .... "extremely questionable" . These were undoubtedly factors when the damage was sustained and in ensuing attempts at damage control.

@Finnan189 17 дней назад

Obviously a sailor dropped a cigarette.

@angelograffigna3003 15 дней назад

If I may… Italy was forbidden to possess ‘incursori’ after IIWW as far as 1952, and thereafter they were devoted to port demining until 1956. Therefore it is highly improbabile that they had technical support (submarine carrying the ‘maiali’ with which they hit Valiant and Queen Elizabeth at Alexandria) by 1955. Second Point, all italians were captured at Alexandria as their only escape plan was via land, while they were capable of escaping after their actions at Gibraltar as there they possessed a base in a cargo ship interned at Algeciras, a few miles away. None of these possibilities were available at Sebastopol, and therefore it is improbable that a newly rebuilt group would risk a military action thousands of mines away from homeland. Cheers

@josh656 17 дней назад

As a post blast bomb investigator, your assessment is correct.

@CowMaster9001 16 дней назад

Do you have any books on the subject of post blast investigation you would recommend?

@ImportantHistory 17 дней назад

Great video! After my video on the subject, I found the mine theory to be the most likely cause. However, the Italian frogmen theory is an interesting rabbit hole...

@HandyMan657 17 дней назад

Tragic. Thanks for the story, Skynea. Take care, fair winds

@finaloption... 16 дней назад

Oh yea. Leftover Magnetic mine at it's best. 🙂 The Italians were happy to get rid of that garbage.

@MrTScolaro 17 дней назад

She is a good looking ship tho.

@JRyan-lu5im 17 дней назад

Black and white photos do wonders to hide the squalor though. Ships have a habit of looking great from afar.

@MrTScolaro 17 дней назад

@@JRyan-lu5im I really meant her lines

@alephalon7849 17 дней назад

The Russians just have the worst luck with their battleships... The conspiracy theories were kind of fun to listen to, though, given how salty the Soviets were about losing the battleship they had been trying to keep while certain Italians took advantage of the entire thing.

@jonathanstein8147 17 дней назад

Worst luck in general when it comes to the Navy. A great example to explore is the voyage of the second Pacific squadron, search "voyage of the damned". Another is how US submariners used to call Russian sonar Helen Keller sonar from how they would constantly crash into everything.

@rustynail7609 17 дней назад

Beautiful ship!

@MikeHunt-fo3ow 17 дней назад

cool video....this is off topic but florida has the worst weather than any place i ever been....hot/humid, i never been in desert heat like az.......what place have you guys been where you were like i could never live here?

@timbonjovi 17 дней назад

I really enjoy your videos!

@thereissomecoolstuff 15 дней назад

This is an amazing salvage for the time.

@eric-wb7gj 17 дней назад

TY 🙏🙏

@kevinyoung9557 17 дней назад

Awesome history lesson.The Italians always had beautiful ships.Its

@suspiciousminds1750 17 дней назад

What a great story! Why haven't i ever heard this before? "Admiral Kunetzov"? Isn't that the name of the Russian carrier that is always breaking down?

@johnbarnes5237 16 дней назад

Yes. Obviously, the guy was cursed.

@mikearmstrong8483 12 дней назад

Not cursed so bad as Admiral Hood.

@suspiciousminds1750 11 дней назад

@@mikearmstrong8483 Good point!

@astridvallati4762 12 дней назад

"Revenge is a Dish best served Cold!"...WHATEVER happened, Italy had the last laugh here....

@davidbarnsley8486 17 дней назад

I’m going with the mine theory it. Only one to me that is even slightly plausible I think we need. To. Get myth busters involved to solve it

@ilfarmboy 14 дней назад

it was first the Italian battleship Giulio Cesare but after the war when it was given to Russia it was given the Russian name it had when it sank

@MrBruinman86 17 дней назад

How deep was her mooring where she capsized?

@lachbullen8014 17 дней назад

Well the brits sinking it theory is outlandish what would their motives be.. And when it comes to the Italians frogmenIt wouldn't just been too well defended There would have been anti-submarine nets patrolling destroyers not to mention they would have to have some pretty big Balls the pull of a stump like that

@sandro9237 14 дней назад

Gino Birindelli sends his regards

@chairrider2462 17 дней назад

The battleship that ran like an Italian car! I feel sorry for the Russians working on it.

@brownwrench 17 дней назад

So there were 600 some corpses in the ship when scrapping began? 🤢

@tomyorke3412 17 дней назад

Its like then the US had to re float the battleships sunk at pearl harbor they had been sitting in warm salt water for months and filled with their crew who died inside. Divers had to go inside and see all that then wash all the ships out when they got brought above water again

@timothycreasy2161 17 дней назад

@@tomyorke3412that had be a horrific job to do. And I bet those in the blast zone were never found

@comentedonakeyboard 17 дней назад

Given the resources she used up for maintenance and rebuilds Italy (and any other cold war oponent of the USSR) had no interest in liberating the Red Navy of this burden. Sorry, i meant: it voz Trotzkites.

@marting1056 15 дней назад

the SU handed back the HMS Royal Sovereign to the RN in 1949 and look it up how bad it was treated and not maintained by the SU

@arndtczepluch6919 12 дней назад

Even this days the find sill mins from WW2 that a oprational.

@donaldcarey114 17 дней назад

Believing the Soviets? Now THAT's a stretch.

@joemccarthy114 17 дней назад

Time traveling stormshadow missile

@slyguythreeonetwonine3172 6 дней назад

*Cue Terrible Italian version of "The Bond Theme"*

@marckyle5895 15 дней назад

You have to think like a Russian at the time. The ship had been approved by the state. The harbor had been approved by the state. The sweep had been authenticated as complete by the state. The state was perfect. Therefore saboteurs blew it up!

@alanbrassard5927 17 дней назад

Imagine a battleship sized neglected fiat

@madmeh2929 8 дней назад

Fix It Again Tony!

@tomyorke3412 17 дней назад

It was the Galapagos turtles. Using their shells to magnetize themselves to the hull before shouting "To Valhalla!!" then detonating themselves.

@mikearmstrong8483 12 дней назад

There are problems with that theory also. 1) Galapagos tortoises have such long lifespans that they would be perfectly content to just wait, knowing they would outlast the ship (and the Soviet Union) anyway. 2) Being tortoises, they don't swim. I could see them possibly walking across the bottom of the Black Sea with rebreather gear, but not oceans. This means an Ecuadorian ship had to have transported them. Now you have yet another government trying to keep the facts secret, something that governments often are not particularly good at. 3) Galapagos tortoises always undergo degaussing to protect themselves from lightning strikes and and limpet mines, so I find it hard to believe they could suddenly magnetized their shells. 4) They're Hispanic. Why would they yell "To Valhalla"? Granted, I don't know the Hispanic equivalent of Valhalla (if there is one), so I can't be sure on that point.

@OtherWorldExplorers 17 дней назад

You forgot to mention the Russian said it was aliens.....

@randalparks9648 17 дней назад

The Ukrainian resistance was pretty strong, even then. Maybe they knew about the German mine, and the fact that the ship was anchored over it. One frogman with a few pounds of TNT could have mined the mine, and KA-BOOM!!

@michaelgabriel7919 16 дней назад

Personally... in cases like this... I'm a realist. Look at the complete picture... look at the facts... and the evidence. No 'what ifs'... no 'but it could have been'... type answers. An Occam's razor type approach... suggests an old German mine caused the damage. The rest is all supposition and conjecture... laced with the human need for drama.

@obsidianjane4413 16 дней назад

A Bond plot requires a supervillain with an outlandish plan to get One. Million. Dollars. or to take over da whirled, which ever is most convenient.

@laurencejenner1127 17 дней назад

I’m not Italian but I think the right pronunciation is “wholio” not “julio”.

@richardm3023 17 дней назад

Reminds me of the story about the Russian peasants that were gifted a new Ferrari. They used it to plow their fields.

@mulletoutdooradventures6286 17 дней назад

Soviet's took any junk they could 😂. They literally got the craps when everything was done. Didn't stop them from trying to get them ok enough for actual battle, which really never happened with any of their acquisitions. They just wanted to be able to sit at the big table with the USA and the UK but we do far behind with technology they were fighting a losing battle. They will never be able to catch up even today. Russia is still a joke militarily

@Insert-Retarded-Reply-Here 17 дней назад

Dumb take

@J.B.29 17 дней назад

The USSR does not exist anymore.The cold war is over. It's not 1950. Open your eyes to the world we live in now. To do that you will have to bury your hate nastiness and r*c*sm.

@aquila3958 17 дней назад

Typical case of immeasurable Russian incompetence and disregard for the safety of their countrymen and women, unbelievable and totally irresponsible

@1936Studebaker 17 дней назад

HMS Royal Oak suck by U47 at Scapa Flow in 1939 undetected. 1943 KMS Tirpitz sunk by X craft, crews detected but explosives were not! Italian Frog men sink the Novorossiysk, well they had 8 years to refining the efforts of the 1943 attacks. Magnetic mine, most likely but Frog men can't be ruled out! There's also the St Nazaire raid in 1942, operation Chariot, HMS Campbelltown was undetected and in plain sight was used to ram into the dry dock with a huge delay charge.

@mikearmstrong8483 12 дней назад

First, Italy was forbidden to have frogmen for years after the war. Italy was recovering from devastation only by the good graces of the USA, so it's highly unlikely that the Italian government would try to support a surreptitious (and expensive) program to keep an underwater assault team active. And how would they be "honing their skills" in peacetime above what they accomplished during the war? Second, Campbelltown hardly went unnoticed; she was shot at very thoroughly on the way in to ramming the dock gate.

@user-uc5um3io2j 12 дней назад

Insurance fraud?

@fredwood1490 17 дней назад

Can we say, "CIA"!

@paulcosentino1140 17 дней назад

Looks like frogmen snuck in Italians didn't want anyone to have their ship

@bullettube9863 14 дней назад

There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that the sinking was mysterious. The fact that the Russians discovered more mines that were still capable of exploding within fifty meters of the ship proves this. You have to remember a few things here, one a prewar ship rarely had full protection against underwater explosions, and two the Russians are just plain incompetent when it comes to maintaining ships. Three, the Russian sailors were not trained in damage control. The sinking of the cruiser Moskova by the Ukrainians showed that the Russian navy hasn't changed since 1955! That a modern warship was unable to defend itself and then control the damage speaks volumes about the Russian Navy!

@michaelfoster9964 17 дней назад

Thanks Obama.

@mink99a 17 дней назад

This reminds me of the various Ukraine war spam channels from the beginning of the war when hundreds of Russian “Battleships” were sunk, and every Russian floating thingie was called “battleship”

@jeffreyperretti4414 17 дней назад

Say what you want, but the Italians didn’t want to give up their war time fleet. After the war the allies gave away most of the Italian fleet. Sea mines batteries were long out of power. I believe the Italians sent frogmen to sink her.