In small construction yes, however in larger scale projects the CM deals with the management of construction only whereas the PM, is the manager from start to finish.
Oppps, I can't believe they actual forgot the SURVEY ENGINEER who does the layout, orientation, and manage overall surveying of the project. Without it the dream project will not be implemented as they want it to be... how sad.
Where is the contractor??? All contractors may not be civil engineers but they are very important as they have feild experience and arrange for workers and invest in the project to get the job done
Great concept, great script! There's one character missing here. The Owner. He/she also has to know the options and limitations - by being involved especially in the preliminary stages. He must also be prepared to entrust (and not encroach on) responsibilities to each of the 6 professionals.
they're usually the PM in some cases but if not they are the ones who get involved around pre-construction time period ( not very beginning ) and on throughout.
That is true, Im in college right now and I hope to get my degree in construction management, from your concern I can infer that your doing the same thing?
Not quite. Depending on the industry/company, these two are traditionally different. In some companies, the CM presides over a group of PM's. In others, a Project Manager is assigned multiple construction managers, who in turn may work with other CM's and PM's to complete the project.
project managers can be civil engineers but majorily if not a CE architect they are people holding a BS construction science, construction management, project management it's self, ( can be someone without out a degree but has a whole lot of experience ) but it's been moving more to industries wanting someone with a BS in one of the fields i mentioned. that isn't the only ones who can take roll as the PM but they are the most known to do that roll.
but some civil and structural engineer want to take the scope of work of the architect even they dont have a proper training and the discipline in architecture.
Yeah incorrect because key elements or professionals are left out. Especially the Engineering professional responsibility for ensuring all the design goes where it's supposed to or ensure all measurements on site is correct.
But the building would never come off of the paper plans that where prepared by the engineers if it wasn't for the skilled builders in construction industries and the mills that make the materials to create the structure. it seems like the actual people that make it 99% possible to make a building never get any accreditation for there endless labor and hard work that is put out to make all possible. I bet there are some engineers out there that have never experienced the the hard work it takes to be a skilled builder. but yet they get all of the accreditation. silly.
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Sam Timm You're thinking of Architects all they do is make the building look fancy they have to pass their plans onto the engineers for approval so that it won't collapse or burn down from a Electrical fire! The engineer is in charge of making the building safe to enter!!!!
The most important people in building projects are the Engineers and Construction Workers. The Architect, Quantity Surveyor and Facility Manager are basically costly useless middlemen why most budgets go over balance! To come under budget the owner can learn to do the Architects job himself as long as his work gets approved by the Engineers and Construction Foremen as well do the managers and surveyors long as he gets approved by the banks.
tubaSHANK the problem is the drawings the engineers use have the architects drawings as the background. No architect, means no walls, floors, roofs...believe it or not engineers do calculations not spaces. They don't have a 3d brain, but a math and physics brain. Architects though take all the engineering disciplines in longer schooling, down to the primary calculations, because they need to review the engineers work for coordination. Engineers specialize, so they may not get the interference problems. All the team members may use 3d software called BIM, or Revit, that can work problems out in 3d space, using special engineering applications in one 3d model. Finally the insurance industry separates the risk between the various discipline's, so without architects, the risk of fire in terms of exits and fire separations would not be covered. Only architects are allowed to do this in big projects to guard public safety. People stick to their own knitting due to the insurance industry's needs, even though you may be able to do each others jobs.
Most of the Architects work is fiction based where as the Engineer is fact, if you wanted to save money on a project and my choice would be who is more important I would say the Engineers because they play the most important part making sure the building doesn't collapse catch fire the safety. A Engineer can learn to do a Architects job faster then the other way around. The Architect needs the Engineers approval to submit his plans not the other way around. Many people have designed their own home walls floors everything under the roof in the past and need it only to be approved by the engineers to obtain their building permit, The Engineer is responsible for the foundation the architect the house.
tubaSHANK You don't need an architect to do a house at all. Yes an engineer can help you. You can draw the plans yourself or just buy them. The city is not concerned as it is not a public space, and the risk of fire and loss of life is with you alone, and your loved ones. Still i get houses, as there is this thing called Zoning, that escapes the engineers radar. Zoning sets the form and use of the house. Like you, some clients come to me with useless plans drawn by an engineer, nicely detailed, who have built into setbacks not realizing there was zoning bylaws. If you look at the building code, even for your house, a small building, most of the laws in the building code apply to architects not engineers, although they definitely have their parts, parts I'm not to go to, like plumbing and HVAC. Possibly, when you get more involved with building, you will see how the whole team works.
Much of the new building codes are set up to favor certain people, also most of the codes are there to enforce a certain Architectural theme the city wants to build around now a days it's more about how something appears not function, how something looks is all based on opinions and you know what they say about opinions and aholes! I know how it all works by favoritism and smoke and mirrors instead of common sense! What separates a house from a garage are the Structural, Electrical and Utility Engineers!!! By the way I spent 10 years working for a major builder/developer! They have video of Architecturally designed buildings collapsing because they by passed the engineer all together!
Actually it is as simple as the name spin it in as many words as you want Engineers Engineer, Architects do what ever the hell that means Engineers are actually better at Engineering Arch's if given the time and chance !!!!! Architects are all second rate show Engineers are the go. Let me explain in common senses detail sometime ago a Architect or needless worthless middleman sucked the right dick to get on the City Council and paved the way for his needless knowledge and bogus profession, you can build any structure without a showboat ass kissing architect but not a solid Structural or Utility Engineer look up the definition of each so you know how useless you Architects like Real Estate Agents and Financial Planners should've stayed! Dude wake up to the real world when it comes to the bogus building codes they follow the money and popular design! Dude your whole argument is just more opinionated crap! Your whole argument is based on generalization just like your profession is based on Science Fiction! You're not fooling me go back and reread your post and try to figure out why!
