True, Userbenchmarks has a huge anti-AMD bias which is kind of annoying. I use AMD Hardware and their claims of what is good and bad about each AMD CPU or GPU is just wrong. Such a shame. I hope the owner of that page starts to take their reach serious and provide unbiased information
That's actually bad for us consumers. No competition means that AMD doesn't have to keep up with anything. In the worst case scenario it's a monopoly, which is even worse.
They do, ARM. This is why they, AMD, assembled with Intel on the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group due to fear of ARM and RISC V CPUs as these are giving us huge performance gains with extreme low power consumption. I do want to see Intel back in the game, more competition means more innovation and lower prices for us costumers. I remember in the years before Ryzen 1000 series was released, Intel was ditching 14nm++++ CPUs at ridiculous prices, and then AMD came to the park and said, "Here! Have this 8 core 16thread 7nm FinFet CPU we call Ryzen for 300usd", Intel was in shock, the world was still suspicious of what AMD had brought, but truth be told it was nothing but intel's own fault on the lack of innovation due to being in the position of "leader of the pack". Now Intel is trying their best for an AMD move, but both are scared of ARM. And believe me, someone will sucker punch Nvidia and their dominant position anytime soon.
@@kramnull8962 I don't think couple billions of people bought AMD CPUs 🤣. I got just one 5800x3d couple years ago and it looks like lottery ticket, not gonna replace it for another couple years
Ngl, I'm not a big fan of tsmc having a monopoly on all computer hardware. I would prefer if intel made another space heater generation on their own, rather than creating a single point of failure in the entire market.
sadly unlike alot of monopoly's that exist the tsmc monopoly is a bit more difficult to tackle than most due to the fact pretty much everywhere around the world lacks the structural capabilities and qualified enough talent to produce chips at the level tsmc does as Taiwan unlike a lot of countries invested HEAVILY in R&D to stay ahead of the curve, and they have a vested interest on protecting those secrets more than most to stay ahead of the curve so they can continue to receive protection from the usa from a possible Chinese invasion. i grossly under explained the situation but the tsmc monopoly is a very interesting situation geopolitically
Never liked Intel. Here in Germany they once pressured department stores into NOT selling any AMD machines if they wanted computers with Intel on their shelves. Real shady move.
Competition is good.... Buuuut intel kind of had this coming. I mean if you look at how they deliberately stalled progress and treated their customers like absolute mugs. Ironic is an understatement.
@@BOZ_11 I know they won't but my point is AMD won't have an incentive to deliver judging by the current state of intel. Such is the state of NVIDIA midrange products.
It's arrogance. Hopefully it doesn't end in a Kodak moment. I remember almost a decade ago when intel fanboys were talking crap about AMD and how the company is close to bankruptcy and Intel chips were quite expensive back then pre-ryzen. No longer an Intel customer but I hope they rediscover their bearing since we don't have any other option than amd which I don't mind along as the price to performance ratio is just.
AMD became strong and now too strong but Intel was too arrogant to admi it. "Gluing Chips" 😂 they deserve their downfall or we are still stuck with 4 cores and 8 threads in 2024.
When Ryzen hit the market, Intel's answer was a raft of reason NOT to buy AMD, but no reason why we SHOULD buy Intel. It's like asking someone why he or she is voting for X and getting a raft of negative comments about Y. If the best you can do to persuade me is criticize your competition, you've lost, and you know you've lost.
You look too young to remember much about the cpu market, but blue team and red team has always done this ebb and flows on who is on top. Only reason why AMD is still around is that Intel was forced to allow competition by releasing its tech to AMD. But AMD was also never afraid to innovate, unlike Intel, which has also caused this slump for them and now they are playing catch up or trying in typical Intel fashion.
Thank you. You just said what I've been repeating since 2004. For me AMD was never about the performance, but the will to innovate despite fearce adversity from Intel and the industry. It's why I always bought AMD despite losing on performance at times. And what people don't realise is that the whole Microsoft favouring Intel did not start just with the whole ryzen 5 debacle and windows 11 24H2. There's been Itanium, 3dnow vs mmx vs sse.. Microsoft only pulled out of itanium when it realised what a disaster it was. Otherwise 64bit would have probably taken longer to reach the pc market
Their new tile design keeps up with zen5 CPUs, and 4%ipc gain over previous gen. Not bad considering its a new architecture, but till they do 3d cache. Sucks that these motherboards are way too expensive, and not worth upgrading to. Once prices drop and the previous gen is sold out, it should be more consumer friendly. The ultra9 has to be around 500 or less to be worth upgrading to, considering the older gen is just as fast and a lot cheaper.
They need to change even the materials used to make a quality chip, probably by the time they recover they will compete w Qualcomm or something most likely. ( Too little too late. )
@@adamtajhassam9188Is not a material problem, Arrow Lake engineers were on drugs while designing the CPU part of the chips and how the memory controller is located.
@@Ncloud back then it was actually still pretty good, especially the 10900k i had was absolutely insane 5,4 allcore back then was crazy and it did 4266 c14 with maxed out secondary and tertiary timings. but now their ram controllers either don't fucking work at all or you have to fiddle in the bios for 39 days straight until you get lucky with the 7 different voltages that have a sweetspot lol it started to really go downhill from 11th gen onwards
@@N0rth0M-1 9th Gen removed HT, that for me was the start of the end. They stagnated and forgot what competition was, now they're caught with their pants down trying to catch up. A literal Hare & the Tortoise story
AMD sold garbage for quite a long time also and look at them now. We should all be hoping Intel can fix this sooner rather than later, no competition is not good for consumers.
Yeah people only knew their competition with Amd when in reality they aim the bigger target with only will power and miracle because lack of funding. Because if they just focus designing CPU and outsourcing to TSMC like from 2017-18 they probably can defeat AMD. But intel is only company that has is own fab beside Global foundry is unlikely U.S will company like intel bankrupt because their significant and Taiwan Geopoltical problem with china
TMSC just puts the clients design into silicon. If the design is good as with Apple and AMD the chip is good, if the design is bad as it is with Intel the chip is bad. Don't blame TSMC for Intels errors
@benyomovod6904 no one blame TSMC also other thing Intel fab is new to manufacturing Semiconductor based other company design they started same year as PG becoming CEO so intel need trust from other company before they just sell their own design and chip. And with lunar and arrow lake most of process is done by intel itself.
Here's hoping Intel recovers. Not a corporate bootlicker, AMD is NOT your friend and none of us want them to be the only player in the space. They've got a good long term plan with foundries, they've just gotta get there.
@@inkredebilchina9699 Absolute nonsense. They say that over and over while obvious monopolies exist everywhere. You believe what you're told instead of paying attention to evidence.
@@inkredebilchina9699 you mean like the in the GPU space right now? Where nvidia is so dominant AMD is unable to compete on top-end since R9 290X, and just gives up that space all together?
Not this gen, maybe the next. Still not worth upgrading to a zen5 ATM, unless you want the x3d for gaming. I'm on intel too, but I don't feel the need to upgrade. My rig isn't high end either.
@@willywonka6487That wall street speculative nonsense is irrelevant for the future of companies. What people don't mention is that Intel was losing A LOT of money with their Intel Foundry Services and would be on the risk of bankrupcy. What else could explain the layoffs and the TSMC 3nm nonsense (core architecture matters a lot more than transistor density), i7-12700K still has better perfomance per watt than some Zen 4 chips to this day for being hybrid and the strong IPC. But no, they switched to newer process node and pulled a Ryzen moment (with the exception of the X3D chips, there's no way that Ryzen CPUs would be that fast with Intel's own fabs).
The system is breaking down because. they have got the mindset screwing over. your customer's employees infrastructure and innovation is a good business plan while giving record breaking bonuses to CEOS and CFOS and all the top end when America is built on innovation. We didn't make steel that was good enough. We made the best steel on the planet. faster, better than everyone else. That was innovation. Then we connected the east with the West and became a real country, not just a bunch of colonies. or towns and cities Innovation is what got our system going in the first place, which was 1900s with the. Model T on assembly line. The corporate mindset at the time was understanding innovation is a big part of the system. So Model T stopped being innovated with and then they started with the strong army, the population. kind of like the KGB. and later times. People keep thinking or saying that these CEOS keep doing things that must be a 5 brain move. But it's the easiest way for them to get their quarterly bonus. That's all. It's the easiest, quickest way to get the biggest, fattest quarterly bonus than market and spin it. to say yes, this is best. And these people believed their own spin. The only thing they do with their money is private jet, big house. Then sit here and talk about how amazing they are on Twitter or X, or whatever it's called now, which was something in the 90s which was extreme this and extreme that all that happened in the 90s. But whatever. Anyway, I am using text. I have a learning disability. I've been finally for disability for the past 8 years. I am still waiting. This system has collapsed multiple times in my working life. But instead of fixing it, they just bailed out the rich. with billions, hundreds of billions of dollars just given. to the rich. I understand there's going to be people who say I have no idea what I'm talking about Minimum wage has not gone up since 1997. You don't believe me based off of the information$7. 25 cents was established in 1997. Look at the tax records going back from 1997 till now the base pay has not increased since 1997 It's provable. they all lie they all cheat they all steal. and we're getting to a point where the system is collapsing the biggest corporations get bailouts but they still do the same thing because they get bailouts. So why would they change? our entire system is collapsing and they're so busy sitting here talking about how amazing they are and flying around a private jets. They don't realize they're health care is getting screwed too indirectly and directly. The people who produced the food aren't having kids anymore because they can't feed themselves. The people who produce the housing can't afford a house so they're not having kids because they're having troubled living with them by themselves without living with their family My generation was the first generation to live with. their family members. in the United States and them asking why isn't y'all out on your own now because it's been a voyage hasn't gone up since 1997 and I was saying that in 2006 I want you to understand 2006 I was living with my mother working 50 plus hours a week between two jobs. and having nothing to show for it. Why would anyone have kids in this world?
Republicans in the Senate are opposed to it, and some Democrats in States like West Virginia was opposed. Democrats need about 65 seats in the Senate to ever pass a Seattle style living wage Act.
Nah bro, the interest for the new Intel CPUs was at an all-time high, because we all wanted Intel to come up with something good and properly compete with AMD, forcing each other to innovate, keep progressing and keeping prices low. We already see the effects of AMD keeping 17 of the top 20 spots for the best selling CPUs - their prices just suck, especially compared to just 2-3 years ago. I bought my 5800X3D just a month after its release in MAy 2022 for just €300. €300 for the best gaming CPU at that time!!! Now the 7800X3D is €450+ and the new 9800X3D already appears at some retailers for €550+ or almost double the price of its grandaddy. 2 times increase in price in less than 3 years is not "inflation"" or "manufacturing costs" and it's NOT a good step forward. I truly believe intel deserve every single bit of the sh**storm that came their way and will keep on coming, but they will have to get up eventually and get their sh*t together. Turning to TSMC wasn't a mistake and was the first step in the right direction. Removing defects from the production line of a CPU fab isn't as simple as dusting and vacuuming the place. They have to go deep, find the flaws in their manufatucing proccess and the causes, eliminate them and only then resume their own manufacturing. This will take at best MONTHS, but realistically more than a year. In the meantime someone has to produce CPUs, so they can sell something and get feedback to know which way to go. What intel need right now is completely new architecture and platform and they know it. This 1851 socket will probably have really short lifecycle, most lickly a simple refresh of the 285, 265 and 245 CPUs and will switch to a completely different layout. They need it, cause this platform simply doesn't have what's needed to complete with AMD.
Problem with more tariffs. as no competition. So prices go up every time. I remember this happening when Obama said Heron creased the taxes all imported products used to be able to buy a tire for less than fifty bucks and it'd be a high rating tire of 120 mile an hour. Now you buy a tire for 100 hours. That's a 80 mile an hour tire. rating not good for the average person increasing the cost of living more with more tariffs Bad for business. Bad for the economy. Bad for the average consumer.
Yes, you say that it doesn't benefit us as users for AMD to be on top now, but when Intel was on top almost all the time, you just applauded and laughed, saying what a crap company AMD is, hypocrites. I'm very happy for AMD, now they just need to kick out Nvidia and everything will be fine.
AMD couldn't beat Nvidia when there was no technological difference (series 10 and earlier). Now, AMD is far behind Nvidia and has to compete against DLSS and RTX even more mature. AMD will need a miracle to regain relevance (they recently lost even more market share).
Any monopoly is not good for consumers, regardless of who is on top. If we want reasonable prices and quality products, then all three companies need to be competing well.
I think this is analogous to AMD's Ryzen moment, primarily because the Linux benchmarks for Arrow Lake are actually quite good. Usually this is a sign that the chips just need a generation to fine tune and some bug fixing to shine on Windows. Wendell @ Level1Techs new Linux channel covered this. Also Phoronix covered this, I believe
Now there are articles citing how Pat Gelsinger screwed up the deal with TSMC and had to pay full price. I won't be surprised if Intel shareholders actually vote for another CEO replacement. Remember the whole 13/14th gen issue was entirely him to blame.
On the flip side, tsmc would never favor them on pricing like apple or amd who are their biggest priority customers for each node shrink anyway, which intel has to worry about. They would never be able to match capacity amd has blocked off because to tsmc...they just are a temporary customer.
Also I'm not 100% positive if tariffs will be on every product made outside of the US. Im pretty sure a bill has to get signed, and it won't take effect immediately. However if those tariffs do get put in place, it will incentivize companies to come back to america. Though Intel's foundry isn't as good as TSMC's foundry, I seriously want Intel company to get better. Even worse Taiwan is in danger by the CCP, so what happens if war breaks out there? Basically almost every tech company is kinda screwed because they heavily rely on TSMC's foundry to make these amazing world leading chips. Should TSMC also be important to america as a fallback or backup plan? Honestly I have more questions than answers. As we know having a monopoly gets rid of competition and potentially deals, theres is a such thing as too many choices, however there's mainly 2 companies making x86 cpus and 3 companies to make dedicated GPU's. Adding more to a competition is fine, adding too many manufactures to make cpus can be hard to follow up on who makes the best products for the money.
DIY is just a fraction of PC market and within DIY amazon is not a preferred source for most people. If you look at PC market intel is still holding the vast majority of market share. I have seen a lot of youtubers talking about instability of 14th gen. Im using 14th gen and i have several friends who are on 14th gen. None of us ever had any issues with our CPUs. So i think there is nothing to worry for intel as of now.
its PC gamers that kept Intel alive for many years but now Intel have change their priority the moment they put E-cores on their chips its no longer gamers that they prioritized so their current failure is caused by themselves
They need to eat even more humble pie IMHO, like how you do have the obviously inferior product, and still have 'locked' CPU's, and change sockets every year or two?
bad for us? I get it AMD doesnt have competition But RIGHT NOW, theres nothing to lose The 9800xd will release on nov 7 8% faster by being more efficient while the intel 285k is "more" efficient and 30% slower 😭
If I had to be honest... Then yes, The Mobile CPUs of intel are actually fine. I was using i7 14700HX and I have no problems or any instability issues and When I talk about the Desktop ones. They said that the K lines are the ones that are affect.
Since he brought up DEI, why do these massive companies waste their time on it? Seriously, it’s 2024 and we don’t live in 1856🤣….They should be already hiring people of different backgrounds. There’s absolutely no need to start an initiative for it but they do it to be politically correct🤦♂️
I dont trust Intels CEO- u need new innovation not pushing fabrications solo , need better quality materials and creative ideas to make a quality chip.
I do hope Intel's new foundries allow them to innovate and make some actual good chips again because nobody should want a monopoly. That said I'll almost definitely be going with Ryzen for my next PC. Intel definitely deserves this if they knew about the defective 13th/14th gen CPUs and sold them anyways.
Truth of the matter is Intel got complacent, thinking they would sit at the top uncontested, then AMD caught them with their pants down with the release of Ryzen and the tables were quite literally flipped on the consumer side. Shame AMD aren't able to pull that stroke with Nvidia but I do hope competition returns to both the CPU and GPU markets because that is good for us all as customers.
4:11 on how Intel, as a major company in computer history, have fallen so far? We sort of saw that with Motorola already. They were core in so many major microchip innovations over the years, but by the early 2010s were a bankrupted mess.
Arrow Lake is far more competitive than the first 3 gens of Ryzen which was better than FX, but not as close to Intel's high end as ARL is to AMD's upcoming best. Just pull up some old reviews. The standard is a double one. And the 3000 series had similar percentages of degradation as 14th gen Intel with many chips simply being incapable of hitting their advertised clocks. Many just reduced their clocks/increased voltages while Intel increased warranties out to 5 years. What is the warranty period on Ryzen or Radeon?
I think we’ve hit a point of diminishing returns it’s all about efficiency, cost and power. You will basically get the same as last Gen with small improvements but cheaper to run. We can’t expect to get 50% gains for every new generation, we need a new direction.
Intel's years of stagnation really hurt them. They were stuck on 4 core 8 threads since their first generation. There wasn't a decent uplift until their 8th generation. I think that Arrowlake being a soft refresh for Intel though could put them back on the right track.
I think it was because their io-die for zen 5 sucked so they pushed it back to zen 6 launch and re-design new io and carried zen 4's io to new generation. Zen 5 was supposed to work well with 8000mhz speeds. Zen 4 and Zen 5 ccds are bottlenecked by the io-die which is built on worse packaging technology.
The last Intel I purchased was in 2012 the i5 3570k with a Radeon 7970 3GB, I had it all the way till 2020. In 2020 I upgraded to a ryzen 7 5800x and Nvidia 3090, I'll upgrade to the 9800x3D soon .. I'll stick to AMD, my first AMD ever was a Duron 1Ghz, 256MB ram, and an Nvidia GeForce 2 GTS 32MB in 2003 and right after in 2004 I got an Athlon XP 1600+ 1.4ghz
"We don't have any good product to present, but we must release every 2 years, so here, worse than prior gen and noticeably more expensive, please buy!"
There's so much more going on than just what is covered in this video. Amd wasn't big competition for intel in the early 2000s because their chips were not good. Bulldozer, piledriver and whatever the other architecture was were just slightly redesigned athlon chips that came overclocked from the factory. A lot of people delid intel cpus and apply better paste or even liquid metal directly to the chip for better cooling and better overclocking capabilities. Meanwhile all Amd chips are soldered to the timm for maximum efficiency simply because their cpus are already turned up, using significantly higher wattage. Amd 9590 and 9570 cpus are a perfect example of this issue. Yeah they turbod to 5.0 "the first factory 5.0 clock in the world" but they were hot garbage. I don't hate amd, trust me. I ran an 8350 for ages and only Just recently retired it Last Year. Amd does make solid chips but at the time intel was significantly better, power and efficiency wise. What really put amd on the board was when intel dialed back production from every year to every 1.5 years because amd was no longer making chips. The 9590 was the last processor the released back in 2013, then nothing for 4 years. Shortly after ryzen cpus were established intel hit a brick wall. Intel struggled with 10 nanometers and beyond because they claimed they had trouble mitigating the electrons on the chip. Once you get below that threshold they kinda do whatever they want and if it's not controllable your work means nothing. Tsmc seems to have solved that problem and I think this is the main reason amd is so far ahead and why intel is planning on switching. So now intel is exactly where amd was 20 years ago. Struggling with an aging platform trying to squeeze every ounce of power from their older designs. Right now it doesn't look great but intel isn't going anywhere.
Intel will benefit from being able to implement 14a tiles earlier than they would with monolithic. Their cash flow will improve after layoffs. Intel currently employs roughly the same amount of people as AMD, Nvidia, and TSMC combined. They hired extra people to expedite the completion of their nodes. Even after the layoffs, they will still have nearly double the employees as any one of the aforementioned companies. Their eps will have a big jump. Once their build up is done, they can run the company well with 60 or 70 thousand employees. They currently have 130,000 employees. That’s eaten away more of their profits than lost revenue. When revenue increases while layoffs are on going, their eps will skyrocket, and same with free cash flow. They may take a hit off of this earnings, which will be an amazing investment opportunity.
userbenchmarks had the 285K above the 14900KS before the reviews, they hastily pushed it down to 5th after realizing how much of a flop it truly is. I was really hoping that Core Ultra would be Intel's Alder Lake repeated, a 20% increase in literally everything yet with 50% better efficiency. Well, we got 20% better efficiency, and 5% less performance. This is more of an Intel 11th Gen more than anything.
I built my first PC 3 weeks ago and I would be crying right now if I didn't cancel my i7 4th Gen order at the last minute and there was one 7800x3D in stock on amazing. I bought this immediately.
it's hard to say anything without mentioning "they had it coming long time". remember the 14nm node and how long they refused to innovate and invest in the better node? yeah. that backfired and that's what it is today.
When Ryzen hit the market the 1k series was slower in gaming than 4 year old Intel quad cores, as was the 2k series. The 3k series passed them but was still slower than couple year old Intel. Then the 5k series came out and was faster than Intel until Alder, and then again with the 5k3d until Raptor with the 7k series being slower than Raptor and a regression vs the 5k3d until the 7k3d series came out. The 9k series was a regression vs the 7k3d and Raptor. Now ARL has come out and performs like a typical non x3d Ryzen release and reviewers are losing their minds and thinking Intel is done forever? Why not the same for every Ryzen release? It is crazy to see a gaming performance regression with Intel because unlike Ryzen, that never happens. But these chips are much better suited for OEMs, most businesses, and, if scaled up, servers. I bet they even game better at 65w than RPL. It seems like Intel is making the products that their bread and butter consumers want to buy for this gen and will make enthusiast gamer CPUs next gen. The DIY market is relatively small.
Zen 1 was behind Intel (core extreme chips), AMD started to rebound with Zen 2 and Zen 3. Intel and AMD are way closer than AMD was before Zen 2/Zen 3.
AMD always has been the "underdog" that tried bold moves. While it was faster than Intel in the 286/386 era, it may have had a slower FPU in the Pentium era, and no thermal throttling in the early Athlon/Palomino era. Yet it progressively fixed things, integrated HyperTransport from Alpha Dec, integrated Radeon from ATI in their APU, etc. And no FDIV bug, less affected by Spectre and Meltdown, already choose to outsource fab (sold GlobalFoundries in 2009), no complete destruction like Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs, etc. Always has been the "A Little Less Conversation A Little More Action" kind of guys...
We almost at peak of performance per CPU core. CPU future is stagnation - no more +50% boost in new generation - be thankful to have +5% (in some scenarios )
They renamed their products for no reason, launched a new platform and the cpus barrely manage to keep up with the previouse gen, as well as insane prices. What were they thinking?
JayzTwoCents has a video up "We found the missing Intel Performance in Games... Big Performance Gains!" and it's far better news for Ultra ( Spoiler - It depends on the memory being used ).
Have you not heard about Qualcomm? They are losing their ARM licence in under 60 days because they are not paying their licencing fee's because of a long standing legal dispute when they bought out Nuvia back in 2021 because of a IP infringement. So there maybe another shake up in the market of mobile.
Still rocking my first-gen i7, has held up well, even with overclocking. Can't say the same about my garbage Ryzen 7940HS (no overclocking). Just over a year it's already fried. fml...
On Linux, I just tried latest Intel C Compiler, shockingly the last update from 2020, guess what? Failed to malloc(), glibc was too new, the compiler complained. Who would have thought that that awesome compiler will reach such sad end. It seems, the CPU division follows that path to oblivion...
I bought an intel card specifically because I could encode with av1 on it, I have no immediate problems with it as it is a second gpu installed and not the primary.
Honestly, good. Because intel CPU's always gets the same "Spector" problem, they lose performance yearly due to patches. Worse of all they are all power hungry and always near melting point even on 240MM AIO. Also, the eco core and "performance" core stuff is the biggest waste of money. Why i'm paying for "ECO" cores on my high performance CPU that makes it even suck more power and more heat.
They deserve the Karma for sitting on their laurels, but i do want to say i don't want Intel to go under, there aren't many competitors in the CPU side, I think just AMD and ARM/Nvidia, we need the competition so everyone has to outperform each other. Otherwise AMD or ARM might do the same thing as Intel did and we would be back to square one...
Companies whose CEOs and/or Boards choose to focus on some flavor of social justice instead of making competitive products will ultimately fail, and they deserve to fail. It's clear now that 12th Gen was the last really good desktop CPU. Sure, 13th and 14th are faster -- until they eat themselves. The Ultra series has potential, and I'm sincerely hoping it succeeds through further updates. Gelsinger appears to have Intel turning back onto the right course, but only time will tell. For now, I'm buying AMD.
The problem RIGHT NOW is the price, the other problem is that 13 and 14 are better in gaming already at reduced price.Dunno how can they comeback, their next gen dont think they can crawl back that fast but in the meantime ir nobody buys intel means 50% layoff or more. I know they have servers and other bussiness but yeah..
Intel issue was the 10 nm struggles after years of stagnation they never really got past this and just upped power over and over the made the rod for their own back
actually, even if Intel used TSMCs 3nm (like what they did with arrow lake), their new CPU still flopped in performance... Makes you wonder whether they would have had better results making a new CPU design rather rehashing their ring bus... again... and again... and again.
Idk whether Dr. Lisa Su will halt the innovation but yea once she retired and a new replacement comes in they can be complacent like Intel. Lisa Su is the best tech CEO of this decade.
The problem aren't the CPUs, are the trash games on the market. Literally my i7-12700K (basically matches a 7800X3D here) is smoother and faster running emulators than AAA garbage. OG Unreal Tournament 2004 bottlenecked by one thread, i get like 300fps. The fact that Jedi Survivor runs worse than a singlethreaded game from 2004 is just hilarious.
@@saricubra2867 lol your 12700K basically matches a 7800X3D. Gees you're got the biggest cope on the planet. Not that the 12700K is a bad CPU, but the 7800X3d just pulls way ahead. Especially in games that profit from the X3d cache.
@really7187 Read my comment, * EMULATORS* , not mainstream games, my 12700K also is a 2021 batch with full AVX512, IPC is higher than Raptor Lake. IPC rules over cache, always has been. 3D Mark is over 10000 points, 7800X3D is below 8000. Not all games benefit from cache.
