The Slow Death of the Terminator Franchise 

Sure, if those people never saw the trailer, which couldn’t wait to spoil the surprise.

They spoiled it in the trailers though. And if you managed to avoid the trailers, it's kinda obvious he's the good guy because of how they're presenting him as a badass with 'Bad to the Bone' playing while T-1000 just silently killed a cop.

@@commandercaptain4664 Yeah I was going to say the same thing. I was actually pretty surprised when I saw the movie in the theater and it was obvious that they had made some effort to make it unclear who the threat was, when the movie trailers had completely given away that plot point. Thinking back, it's the first time that I can remember a trailer giving away such a major plot point/twist or the whole film's plot; something that Terminator Genisys would then later also do to spoil the whole John Conner is Skynet thing. It's like the people making trailers have no idea what they are doing (they probably don't).

@@dimitrescu182 You have to realize that in the context Arnold was bad in the first movie, and T-1000 was dressed as a cop, a "good guy" at the time.

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 but he still killed one ominously unlike the T-800 who didn't kill anyone at the biker bar and even has a badass song playing

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This comment should be a franchise

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Could you imagine how much more impactful the ending of Halloween would have been if there was never a Halloween 2?

That is not a hot take

Or having him have sex with a POW... wait that happened. Goddamnit Paramount.

@@Smellbringer That show was...a thing that exists.

Wait, did the Halo tv show really do that??? My god....

@@Psilocybin77 no they didn't

It’s also like making Optimus Prime evil. Thank God that Bumblebee somehow got his voice box working to snap Optimus Prime out of his… evilness, despite never talking in the 4 previous movies and only having a female’s voice earlier in the 5th movie…

"I'll be back" was more of a threat, it seems

and then became a drapes salesman???

@IHGNFY! I didnt hate the 3rd one. Though it wasnt iconic or important as the first 2, I can underatand a third installment to make it a trilogy. The rest were hot garbage.

@@MrCheenibum64 a prophecy, lol

As Bruce Willis said in Expendables 2. You been back enough

Good point. A lot of movie franchises feel like that.

@@chasehedges6775 As good as Terminator 2 was...it was just a rehash of Terminator 1. The series just never had a story that could last very long anyways.

@@ShadowSonic2 💯

When it comes to Terminator films, I don't discriminate. I love them both equally!

Apparently it didn't. Because they thought Terminator 1 was just another generic action movie. And then it ended up being regarded as one of the best Sci-fi, action film ever made. 😆 Quick! DO ANOTHER SEQUEL!

Indeed, i went in with really low expectations and boy oh boy was i wrong. Its T2 the series hands down. Im still mad it got axed.

Wait that crappy show where the teacher was a terminator, John Connor answers his name for the register & robo-teacher says “Great” before trying to shoot him?

totally agree. once more fans see it, it may get the recognition it deserves. the fact it has cercie lannister actor in it too. it goes deep on lore, so its great for T fans.

@@southlondon86 if u give it a chance and get over the rocky start its actually great.

@@Inesophet in some ways as much as more of the same would have been great, the fact it ended so quickly meant it stayed good and the ending was perfect and interesting. we may not have got such a great overall show. and shows that have loads of seasons often become crap and end crap (GoT s8...)

Unfortunately it was ruined in the advertising

"Get down!" The movie decide who's good and who's bad hinges upon that moment.

@@danskyl7279 too bad they ruined it in the Marketing prior to the films release

@@vincentrodriguez3420 it sucked they spoiled it in the marketing

Same for me.. On first viewing, I thought Arnie stopped the Robert Patrick Terminator from killing Connor, so that he [Uncle Bob] could kill him. I thought this for a good 5 minutes, even through the motorbike chase. "so umm. when is Arnie going to kill him?" 13 year old me wasn't that smart..

Exactly

that seems like the key right there.

I mean, every single Terminator film uses practical effects. Some just overuse CGI too much. Saying “stop overusing cgi” is a take so cold that you could use it temporarily incapacitate a T-1000, at least until it comes back through the power of CGI.

Not even remotely the problem of the franchise, it’s a story one

But they made several without practical effects

great points and i agree. the sarah conor chronicles is great and must see for T fans. i went in to watching that expecting to switch it off immediately but read a couple of posts saying it was actually good. it adds lore and depth to the overall story and has the spirit of the original 2 movies. good acting and good writing. there is a rocky start that has to be gotten over but it is great and the ending is great.

@@BrainDamageComedy Never watched that bud, I'll add to the list 👍. Most people I know really enjoyed it.

Well said, I agree 👍

that's not an opinion those are facts

T3 was a mess but I love the balls of its ending.

This right here. You want a franchise, go with an actress who is already established as the character. Fans will fill in the cracks about which version is which.

and Jai Courtney, jeez that guy is up there with the blandest

I'm sure they wanted to separate that film from the series to a degree. Maybe age concern as well? But I agree, she is a much better Sarah!

@@jayplay8140 Not only he is fuckin wood, he ruined the legacy of the character. PTSD driven guy, struggling to survive, played by jacked up guy....wtf.

Lena Headey plays sarah conor in the sarah conor chronicles i suppose u know that right? it is great and must see for T fans. i went in to watching that expecting to switch it off immediately but read a couple of posts saying it was actually good. it adds lore and depth to the overall story and has the spirit of the original 2 movies. good acting and good writing. there is a rocky start that has to be gotten over but it is great and the ending is great.

No, the FIRST movie is essentially a horror film. The second was an action movie, through-and-through.

You know, a Terminator game set in the future wars would make a terriffic survival horror game.

The first one absolutely, the second one is more action than horror

the 2nd movie no way.....

I consider it to be the true sequel to T2.

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Yeah, me too.

Me too.

Well Dark fate ignored sarah's death from T3, so if a franchise wants to ignore what it established previously (and how absurd genesyis was) You might as well follow the alt T2 end as canon as it's doubtful this franchise will return.

It's hard to tell the difference between a prequel and a sequel when time travel is involved.

How about a trilogy in the the future and with no Arnold!

Story idea: A pack of Terminators shaped like dogs rampaging through a medieval Irish village, hunting down Sara Conner's distant ancestor. The local dogs bark at them? Seemingly normal dog behavior. They could slip in and out of the area almost unnoticed, surveying their different options and taking out anyone who gets in their way. Plot twist at the finale: the ancestor in question is himself a Terminator, accidentally fathering John Conner's line.

@@nicocancilla8386 I felt Arnold was the worst thing in these sequels after T2. He treats the role as a joke for some reason. Plus, his acting has gotten even worse somehow.

I like this idea.

The sound design for the Harvester was the best part for me. Truly disturbing.

OH GOOOOD FOR YOUUU

if we had more salvations and less formulaic entries then the terminator franchise would've been far better off

Idk I quite enjoyed the T-RIP fight between John Connor and him.

@@wizard_of_poz4413 nah, terminator was never meant to be a franchise, no matter which way you would have gone it would have been a failure

Westworld before Westworld.

That poor girl has been on multiple series that were cancelled early.

So basicllyshe pulled robo-river tam? I am... OK with this.

@@singletona082 the Tam-inator

@@jackalope2302 😆 Love it. Shame the pacing was so damned slow.

Should have been a full lenght movie with John being sent to the future instead of Arnie to the past.

STORY BEFORE SPECIAL EFFECTS That's my motto

I agree with both this.

Practical effects would not have saved the later Terminator films

Fun thing about T2 and CGI is that many of scenes people think are CGI are actually practical effects. For example Linda Hamilton and guy playing prison guard both have identical twins. Helicopter in chase scene near the end is actual helicopter flying under the bridge, James Cameron felt that he couldn't put hired crew into that kind of danger, as result he shot it himself and had one of other producers drive the camera truck. Just add Kiowa pilot without adult supervision to actually fly helicopter under the bridge.

Resistance's story was incredible.

Agree. T1 also Top 5 for me, and I've seen more than my fair share of films. Cheers.

Love it too! Fun fact, T1 had no lighting budget so the whole movie is filmed using natural/street lights, which adds to the noir feel of the movie

@@glennross85 Entire film is so dark, foreboding, and atmospheric. Plus, it's premise is brilliant. What a film!

Who hurt you?

Make sure to check out Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles if you get the chance. It's the only other piece of the franchise that I consider to be cannon along with the first 2 films.

Your one of the lucky few. I’ve seen all of them and I sadly can’t watch the original 2 as the following sequels ruined any love I have left for the series

I liked 3. Plus 4 wasn't wonderful but the only one set in the future so there's that.

Same

@@dawsynasay4841 I think that's silly, they don't stop being good just because their success led to ill conceived sequels. If your willing to watch each new installment try to recapture the magic, you should be willing to watch the original magic again - you'll see it's still there, and it may well heal the pain of the dark fated sequels. That holds for Star Wars, Alien, Predator, Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings, Marvel or whatever franchise got greedily milked.

My hubby went in blind, too, and for the same reason. He wanted to see the new film "Conan" was in. It definitely threw him to see Arnold as the bad guy in Terminator.

For me Terminator Resistance was the Terminator story that scratched that itch for me.

💯💯💯. Loved the ending to T3

I also enjoy Rise of the Machines. Sure, it has its issues, but I can’t bring myself to hate it.

@@roberttreacy8271 the saving grace of T3 for me is that it's not as terrible as everything that comes after lol

Just celebrated the 30th anniversary of T2's Hollywood Premiere last year! I made an episode of my show all about it if you're interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ngMi-ktbW2U.html

No offence but this is a dumb idea. Why would JC create the very thing he fought with his life to end (Skynet). I know you said it'd be unintentional but deep down JC would know all paths lead to Skynet if he wanted to recreate a Terminator. JC's motivation for doing this (wants a father figure) is pretty dumb too. For starters he's an adult so he's had plenty of time to grieve and get over it. Also, having a fully grown adult wanting a robot as a father figure is hilarious and makes JC look lame AF too.

Well, not create a Terminator, but knowing AI is inevitable... John becomes an AI coding savant. His goal is to create "an empathy subroutine"... Realizing that a sentient AI would be a sociopath without empathy. And this is why skynet wants him dead. If John's empathy algorithm infects skynet... It would no longer take over the world. Because it would no longer want to.

Can watch that crane chase any day! And also the scene at the cemetery when T-x is transforming into her true form!

I liked T4.

Salvation is my favorite post-T2 film because it tried to bring the franchise in a new direction instead of simply rehashing the previous films.

@@roberttreacy8271 frfr

You think filming a scene in which a giant Transformer sneaks up on a group of people without them noticing is "very solid" direction? 😂

Thank you!! I thought I was the only one who liked it.

Salvation is my favorite post-T2 film because it tried to bring the franchise in a new direction instead of simply rehashing the previous films.

The sound design for the machines in that movie is great; the synthy buzzing and whirring 😍, and I love the Harvester man, and how it and the transport is designed like a toy from the 80's, with smaller machines that can eject from it. The harvester scene and following persuit scene are actually among my favourites in the franchise mostly for those reasons and the "Harvester Returns" track tops it off.

I think it's awesome that you love it, but you really don't understand why others wouldn't? I mean this was once an R rated franchise. The tone of Salvation is really toned down for kids. That's not just lack of violence / gore, I think it goes in line with the dialogue and the way McG tries to tell this story. For example Moon Bloodgood as a soldier? Or the deaf child subplot? It just feels like such a watered down future war. And not because it's earlier in the timeline, because it feels a tad Disneyfied. For some reason they don't use the iconic & haunting Terminator score, and is replaced with an uplifting Danny Elfman score. I think it's a great premise and the one the majority of the fans wanted with going to the future war. However that's not enough for me to support Salvation as a worthy Terminator film. Some incredible concepts like Marcus, but in the end kind of feels like a set up film as they were hoping o start a new trilogy. Which is a problem all of the post T2 sequels have!

@@faz1483 💯

It helped that one of them was a dirty drunk and the other was clean psychopath.

No, the T2 trailers ruined the twist for most people.

@@KasumiKenshirou Oh really? Still a twist but not in the actual film then. Not a great idea to reveal it in the trailer.

It’s refreshing to see people still remember the show. Most videos about it on RU-vid are 10-12 years old. I just finished watching it on Hulu and loved every minute of it!

Same here

Affirmative. 😎

@@Tfor2show Hasta la vista, babehh!

The rest after 2 feels like DLCs we didn't need.

So true! He is so creepy and scary in this role even today. Amazing acting

It was not perfect movie, but ending is great and makes sense when you think of closed time loop, which a lot of people seem to ignore.

@@Endru85x Yeah, it's obviously not the original, or T-2, but I get a lot out it. It's strong enough that I consider it part of the trilogy, I don't discard it like a lot of fans do.

We still doing this meme? You people aren't tired of the same joke after 6 months?

That's exactly how I look at it. Terminator 3 (and the other sequels) are just fan fiction. Enjoy them for what they are if you want to, but you don't HAVE TO accept them as canon.

Also... RU-vid.com/Tfor2show

Western entertainment hates humanoid robots, and even more so, guys developing feelings for robot girls.

LOL! T2 and T:SCC are both garbage. The Terminator told the whole story so all the cynical cash grab sequels were completely redundant.

It’s terrible

Pretty muchh

You never know, it might be back

As much as I would love for James Cameron to watch The Sarah Connor Chronicles, it’s still pretty cool to me that Josh Friedman was hired for Avatar 2 on his own merits as a writer and not just because he was the show runner for The Sarah Connor Chronicles!

I agree. While Terminator and T2 make two parts of one complete, perfect story for me... I do appreciate Sarah Connor Chronicles. I feel like they did their best they could with what they had.

I like T2 and think the 3rd one is ok and it should have stopped there.

No question. The Terminator and T2 are two halves to one perfect, complete story. RU-vid.com/Tfor2show

In regards to the movies, yes. But the TV show was really good.

I now think Salvation is the worst of all if them in terms of entertainment and watchability...as terrible as Genesys and Dark Fate are, at least there's a few good bits here and there. Salvation is just unremittingly grim, but not in a good way

@@lucasoheyze4597 First I was insulted by how the world looked, where's the wonderful blue tint and why the fuck is the sun shining after a god damned nuclear apocalypse, then I was offended by hunter killer drone that wasn't beautiful chrome, then I was appalled by the lack of lazer/plasma/whatever weaponry and then the third act of the film hit me and I was pissed off. Shit movie.

@@tappajavittu They tried to say later that it was going to be the first in a trilogy that would become more like James Cameron's vision of the future war as it went on...but what good does that do me, as I watch Sam Worthington and some bird he's picked up have a chill-out by a bonfire they've lit in the middle of the Terminator infested wastelands?

This! Just like Alien works best in horror setting, not gun blazing mayhem. There was a lot of "war with robots" movies, both t1 and T2 told more intimate story, even if the second movie was a lot of action, it had emotional stakes, acting, pacing, not CGI battles of nameless guys vs robots.

@@Endru85x yeah people forget that the first film was horror with plenty of suspense not things blowing up every five seconds

The best thing after T2 was Cybernetic Dawn/Nuclear Twilight. They should make that canon.

And in the TV show he gets a robot girl love interest. Best girl.

This, a lot of folks ignore the closed time loop and the fact that war is inevitable, circumstances may change, but that is all.

I watched 20 minutes of it and turned it off cause it was boring.

I actually think if like James Cameron and Josh Friedman reboot terminator on a streaming platform... It should be a partial TSCC reboot... Starring Judah Lewis as John conner and Jenna Ortega as Cameron/Allison Young. Their chemistry in the second babysitter movie was undeniable.

I agree, but it took down John Connor as a hero, making his girlfriend more important, and that's unforgivable.