The Snyder Cut: How Doing The Bare Minimum Saved Steppenwolf 

You died before you were born then

Who hasn't felt the need to conquer a few worlds here and there. Gotta spice up them mondays.

@@Captaintrippz right? Every Monday before lunch I’m thinking “if I could just go villain today...”, fantasize scenarios and... then the day’s half over and I’m just ready to get off work lol

@@Espartanica I feel that way at times. Born into the wrong period of time. I want to explore space freely, as simple as it’s done in an anime like Cowboy Bebop or in a galaxy far far away. Yeah...that’s not happening in my lifespan. Additionally there are some other impossible dreams I won’t go into detail here.. When your dreams are held down by the limitations of your world...you truly have “died” before you had a chance to be “born”.

@@TVthePunisher personally I'm more of the classic territorial conquest of historical warlords Genghis Khan, Charlemagne, Julius Caesar so on

Ikr

This is an excellent point, he had way more expression. You could see anger and sadness which helped significantly

@@ANerdyCanadian It's kind of what the Lion King needed tbh.

It’s weird how an alien could express more human emotions through facial expressions than the one who’s design is more human like

@CPM3 I respectfully disagree.

He got the dude 100.000 worlds and he just crushed Steppy like that. What a fucking douchenoozle.

Damn never even thought about it that way

I didn't like that part at all lol but yeah he's a monster.

@@sunofabob why not?

Seems like Darkseid is more p... at the justice league.

And what did you think of it?

@@ShawFujikawa the editing is a little questionable in the first act, and the epilogue was unnecessarily long and heavy handed. Aside from that, it was a decent watch. More enjoyable than man of steel.

@@matthewparker9276 Although, I think that there’s a bunch of “Extended” stuff that lead to nowhere. Like, we don’t need to devote 5 minutes to The Flash saving what I presume is Iris West in the DCEU and grabbing a hot dog. (Not to mention, the way he touched her hair was a little... weird, to say the least) And then at other times, there’s excessive slo mo for scene’s that don’t need it. Or just Icelandic song breaks that last for 5 minutes, which is a biiiittttt too much if you ask me. Instead of doing that, what I think they should’ve done is divert that extra time to showing StephenWolf’s backstory as a “Prologue” to the movie or after the Amazon attack, which would make us understand him more way earlier. And if there’s time left over, I’d give an extra scene to Cyborg at the end, where after listening to the tape, he starts crying and gets in a bad state of mood, and the rest of the JL find him, they just give him a silent team hug, as the camera does a close-up on Cyborg as he narrates, one last time, “I’m not broken.” Then the camera pans out to a group shot of all of the JL members hugging Cyborg. “And I’m not alone.” I still think that The Snyder Cut is a great piece of cinema, and a great movie. (In comparison to Marvel, I’d say better than Avengers 1, great movie, and I’m interested in the DCEU again when DC decides to continue the SnyderVerse [Which I think they will, because it’s logical and smart and will lead to money]) But if I do a video on it, I’m going to include those changes in a soft rewrite, because if anything, I want Zack Snyder to improve and for the other movies to become greater and greater. So yeah, that’s my criticism, review, and my thoughts. Yeeeeeeeee.... Sorry for long comment, Rah rah Rasputin.

@@master0fthearts894 lover of the Russian Queen.

@@master0fthearts894 had Snyder not put the flash saving iris scene everyone is gonna start whining that the character had a poor story put in the movie like they said for suicide squad.

So true. They always hold them back

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Haha, I know what the OP means.

The Snyder cut is "The Original"

It's Ogre vs True Ogre equivalent...either too damn simple and boring or an overdesigned mess.

And that's why I love him.

That makes him quite similiar to Zuko

Yessss

Makes it kinda sad that he gets stabbed and beheaded and thrown to his home like trash.

NGL, I kind of felt bad when the boxes talk to him and he closes and opens his eyes, they seem youthful in that moment, adn when he speaks to Darkseid, his eyes seem to have a lot more shimmer. I really wonder what other details I've missed because I've only watched the movie on my laptop

And adorable puppy eye

And 90 minutes more exposition.

@Alexander Nguyen But more importantly *SPIKES*

Formula for a successful Steppenwolf: Homesick puppy eyes spikey boi with a terrible abusive father

That’s actually not wrong. The inclusion of how the armor is gives you something to look at instead of just grey

I dont understand the hate on Joss...

@@pr0x1madigital84 It’s mainly because of all the accusations of workplace abuse that he did during the reshoots of JL. The actors and Gal Gadot didn’t like working with Joss because he was overly aggressive and an asshole during filming. The actor that plays Cyborg also came out and mentioned how Whedon and some of the producers like Geoff Johns treated him harshly. There was mentions of some rather racist attitudes towards him from some of the other producers as well. There’s A LOT of reasons to dislike Whedon as a person. As a filmmaker, I can understand a lot of the changes done to the film at the time, but it doesn’t excuse his behavior and abuse.

You mean like zack snyders darkseid?

That was actually an attempt to have some semblance of a theme, since in that version, Parademom’s feed on fear, so they’d target StephenWolf, and it was supposed to be a “Proper Ending” to the villain. I mean, it’s was poorly done, like everything in Josstice League, but I can’t really say that it’s a fault since it was an *attempt* to do *something* with the story.

he was still useless against superman, so yeah, big deal.

That's how he looks in the comics tho. Like some guy in armor

@@mrslick58 Some parts of the characters just don’t translate all that well to film, though, and his redesign also helps him feel a little unsettling and intimidating - something that the original design just didn’t do. Not everything in the comics is necessarily something we should model the films by, either. In the comics Steppenwolf and Wonder Woman shacked up and had a kid. Would you want that in these films? Probably not.

@@raysdesk that's kinda hot tho 🙄

@@raysdesk Steppenwolf looks WAY cooler and intimidating in the comics. As much as I hate to say it I even prefer Whedon's design over Snyder's.

After watching the Snyder cut, looking back at the 2017 Steppenwolf makes me physically nauseous.

It was an accurate description

@@devoid4661 Yeah, but also, now I can’t stop comparing StephenWolf to “Ballsack Skin”, so accurate, but also...

I'd choke on something that big too buddy

@@fireraid9173 what

It seems to be a villain thing, Thanos's chin also looks like shaved balls

You feel sympathy for him.

I love how his armor removes itself like a non offensive look

@@domanater480 almost like removing ones hat as a sign of deference

Who is Desaad actually? He seems... interesting

@@captainflowers748 He is Darkseid's high priest as well as chief torturer. He serves as the main advisor to Darkseid and, as such, has considerable authority in his court.

Everyone did

If only they would have expanded on that.

@@Flamme-Sanabi it's probably the writer that had mommy issues XD

Like Batman

Thats not even remotely explored or existed in his Character before and the whole Daddy and Mommy issue fits other New God DC characters more like his Great Nephew Kalibak even Darkseid fits this more because his Mother Poisoned his wife.

That's what happens when you see a character instead of a literal pawn

@@Randarrradara somethings wrong I can feel it

As someone in the comments pointed out, he has Zuko's redemption arc (gone wrong). Also, what's your opinion on his "proselytizing about death, destruction, and Darkseid"? I found it being exposition hinting at character. He's gloating about building a stronghold in his [Darkseid's] name as if he's trying to prove his loyalty. Like a villainous version of holding a "I'm sorry" placard. Not just in action, but in almost everything he says he's trying to regain Darkseid's favour.

Rather than a villain redeeming himself to the heroes he's a villain redeeming himself to the villains.

@@meghnadfilmclub2389 I always find the complaint of Steppenwolf “expositing” this info to be a bit unfair. People treat exposition in general as a bad thing that should be exterminated in writing when it isn’t. As you said, it’s a hint of his character gloating about conquering Earth for Darkseid! That and not everything can be easily shown through visuals since most of the info isn’t really “self explanatory” or “open to interpretation” unless you have prior knowledge of the expansive DC lore

Actually a villain trying to show their loyalty to an even bigger villain, specifically in the context of having betrayed said bigger villain Previously Is an incredibly common trope

Not what Joss was going for though, he was going for the first option

Lol dude was straight projecting

@@fredleeland2464 Doesn’t Joss’ version respond by asking why do they continue to ask that? (which clearly expresses that Joss’ Steppenwolf has no feelings at all and doesn’t understand what this family shit is all about)

His nephew and boss is a LITERAL god of evil, course hes gonna spout some noncense like that i think its cool. xD

@@jonryder7269 It's likely also a mindfuck. He's conquered a literal 100.000 worlds. He knows that fear alone might beat his enemies, making his conquest easier. He doesn't enjoy the fight anymore. Just wants to go home.

Who said, “You will LOVE😈me... You all will”?

Who said "You will love me. You all will"?

@@Harvey_Mod Josstice League's Steppenwolf

Compared to dealing with Darkseid, I'd say decapitation is mercy tbh

Same vibe when Thanos couldn't enjoy his soup 😢

@Mr Calvi He will probably still get punishment

win the warr

@Mr Calvi He still failed. There are no excuses to Darkseid. He was expecting when he arrives on Earth, he'll be unopposed to claiming the equation---That's what Steppenwolf had set for his master. But now with Superman up and running, and more metahumans coming, it would be quite the headache to send the entire Apokolips Armada on Earth. Diana lopping Steppenwolf's head off was mercy compared to what Darkseid does on incompetent underlings.

One thing that should be considered is that Snyder's Steppenwolf was written to be the appetizer to Darkseid aka the JL trilogy's main villain.

I don't think anyone is saying ZS's Steppenwolf is a greatest villain, but rather that Zack correctly gave him a clear motivation to make the stakes meaningful. In Whedon's version, between the silliness of the 'smell fear' ending, one note 'evil for the sake of being evil' attitude, and lethargic investment in the action, the stakes are low. For Steppenwolf conquering is his day job so he just goes through the motions. Yes- Steppenwolf is strong but there is no sense of danger really. In Snyder's version the heroes will stop at nothing to save the world BUT the bad will also stop at nothing because he wants to go home. The faster and more decisively he can conquer Earth the faster he can move on to conquering the next planet and the closer he gets to getting where he yearns to be. And in this context also Steppenwolf wasn't meant to be the end all, be all of enemies for the Justice League. He was merely a stepping stone for the overall story introducing an opponent giving all but a hint of the challenges ahead. This was one guy with a few soldiers almost destroying the planet. How much worse can the guy who sent him with a massive army be? (We know the answer but this JL was building to that.)

@@ferdinandofallica5869 And he's the perfect one.

@@memecliparchives2254 -- He would be pretty close to perfect if only Snyder was given the green light to finish his JL trilogy.

@@ro4eva how? He doesn't make it out of the first movie.

Okay Conqueror Cory, aka Coco.

@@malsummers6515 ...Excellent name. Henceforth, I shall be known as Coco the Conqueror. You, your pet, and one member of your family shall survive the coming conquering of your country and its citizens.

@@EmrysMerlin8807 Conquero Cory the Conqueror

@@EmrysMerlin8807 When will you come around? I need to know if it makes any sense to begin watching Loki, and what would be the point if I didn't manage to see the ending?

@@wojciechficek616 Yes, I too am excited to see the latest Legends of Tomorrow season. Strange that they'd bring in Tom Hiddleston, but let's face it, they've done weirder. Beebo was excellent. Thankfully, just because I am a conqueror doesn't mean I don't appreciate fine art.

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@@nerovanguard846 I promise you that I did not ruin your 69 number...

Hello

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Love your english.

Well said my guy, well said.

There you are!

That reminds me...I need to give Lava Tigre more motivation. Otherwise, it makes no sense how Frank is able to control him. Or why he'd even waste his time with the Purge-Flare.

*But what if the Antagonist is just a yandere person, obsessed with the protagonist?*

@@Flamme-Sanabi Then that is the whole point of the story, and needs fleshing out, doesn't it? They would still have a social network of other people they have to interact with, even if its just to disappoint them.

@@DozerfleetProd Excuse me sir, but *w h a t d o e s t h i s m e a n ?*

@@an_amazing_ace7810 : Novel in the works. Ciem: Inferno. Working on character motivations. Heroes and side characters make sense. The villains...are still pretty much just doing evil shit for the sake of evil. Gonna have to fix that.

I mean, he is still a big grey mass of CGI. But I appreciate the puppy eyes.

@@LucasDeziderio at least he's not a DUDE in a leather jacket

@@tedarcher9120 Actually, in the comics Steppenwolf does look like a dude with dark metal armor. Take that as you will.

And fucking c u t e

looks, yes. but the character isn't.

To be fair, Steppy killed a shitton of Amazons

@@internetdinosaur8810 I thought the Amazon Queen was the one who slaughtered her own people

Underdog? He slaughtered millions - no, billions over his lifetime. He killed lots of Amazons and Atlanteans. He whiped the floor with the whole League before Superman showed up. Sure, WW gave him a good fight, but it was nothing he couldn't deal with. It was only when Superman showed up that he was overpowered (cause Superman is WAY OP). Everything up to that was just an annoyance to him.

@@BernieDSniper Nope. They all sacrificed themselves trying to keep the motherbox away from Steppenwolf. They all knew what they were doing because if they failed and the Unity happens, everyone is dead anyway.

This guy had no one in his corner at all. Even out of universe he's a literal who to most casual superhero/casual comic book fans.

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Lmao yeah

Brutally honest on a whole other level lmao

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Yeah. It's that easy to make a character better.

Aha I was thinking the same thing

*Insert Dragon Ball Z Abridged Frieza Voice Here*

You're tripping

exactly - those things weren’t afraid to kill main characters - lord of the rings more so than star wars and those characters were so powerful and feared taht u actually feared them for the sake of the characters u had grown to love. when in the whedon cut A u don’t care about the characters enough B the villain isn’t even powerful enough to pose a serious threat to those characters/plot armour, it’s just boring

Also, both of these were the ultimate villains of their respective works. Steppenwolf is ultimately just a minion to Darkseid (himself pretty flat and static), and we all know what happens to evil minions.. they get killed as heroes make their way to the big bad. After all, only the main villain usually poses a legitimate threat against plot armor

@@thorveim1174 Totally... meta-knowledge of Darkseid existance and... promotion telling us that Superman would be back at the end broke any kind of tension or threat.

I think what makes characters like Sauron and Emperor Palpatine good villains is that they are almost meta-villains. They are villains to the other villains. Saruman built up his power in hopes of overthrowing Sauron, but was deceived that he could even try. Darth Vader opposes Luke Skywalker in service to the Emperor, and when Luke tries to return Vader to the Light Side, Vader resists him not because he wants to, but because he fears the Emperor.

@@themetalstickman That's a really cool observation. Have you seen Avatar? If so, would you put the Fire Lord in the same category?

any

@Slippy Frog being in debt? yeah very much so lmao

@Slippy Frog Idk if you've heard, but not minding your own business is something most people find pretty annoying.

@@Amartin-mu6oj idk if you have heard, but contributing absolutely nothing to the argument is something most people find annoying

He just wanted to go home, he seems real tired of doing this world conquest stuff.

Darkseid is actualy a god

"I am many things Kal-El. But here, I am God." -Darkseid

All three of them are gods really. It's just that Darkseid is the master god of Apokalips and the sheer weight of his true form is enough to destroy reality.

He is.

They all are its just that Darkseid is the most Powerful New God

That's a deep fan theory.

The armor can repel the Amazonians arrows tho so I think it's just an actual armor

@@Dapin. what if just does both?

@@Dapin. sounds like torture device strong enough to keep its subject alive but not painful enough to kill them.

Yeah maybe a little bit of both

Pretty sure Whedon wanted to go down in history as the first director to make a parody movie for a movie that doesn't exist. If everybody made fun of Martha from DoJ, then he made Steppenwolf's mother the motivation for the actions during the whole movie. Turns out, people cared so little about JL there werent even any memes.

They look weird as hell tho

@@siegfried8644 I mean he's an alien.

@@jack-exzolt9858 I'm not saying it's bad. It looks cool and distinct as it should. Still looks weird because it's not exactly a hand. It's just a bunch of fingers and looks uncanny

@@siegfried8644 I mean he is an alien

@@siegfried8644 I mean, he’s an alien

This reminded me of the Dr. Evil scenes where they're just doing random stuff.

Not completely. Ever seen that scene in Kingsman where Samuel L Jackson's character starts losing his mind when his plan starts failing???? He's losing and the fact we can feel his own peronal goal slipping through his fingers, his anxiety rising up and his anger turning into fear is very relatable. Or have you seen Rocky II? Watching Apollo getting death letters from fans while he tries to make his daughters happy by hiding his disappointment and guilt really gets you to like him and sympahtize. I'd change your statement to "The ideal timing is after any tense scenario, to give both the protagonist and antagonist motivation for a climax"

Hahahahha

Suicide Squad

@@MissMartianDCAU agreed

Batman Forever? I heard that movie was supposed to be darker than the Burton films

The kingdom of heaven. Watched the dire tors cut so much better. Even explains how the main character can fight and defend the city. If don't wanna watch he was a military engineer

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Interesting. May I have an elaboration, pls?

@@nerovanguard846 Doomsday

Several video games use excellent usage of 'Static flat' villains as sort've 'things wrong with the world' type villains. For example, the Cabal from Destiny tend to be mostly just exploitive militants but they provide more than enough threat. (Which actually is then used to elevate the villain Destiny 2, Dominaus Ghaul. A rather on point name, as he became a round villain with a complex where he HAD to prove himself to the traveler.)

@@nerovanguard846 Another good example of a "force of nature" villain is Sauron. Sauron basically isn't a character. His only motivation is power and world conquest. He's still interesting because of how immense his power is. You can see how all the characters react to this impossibly difficult task of defeating this almost god-like evil. They are called "force of nature" villains because they may as well be an earthquake or a tornado with the narrative interest coming from how other characters react to the villain.

Joker as well. Not all examples of him, but Heath Ledger's Joker is purely made to be the opposing view against Batman and "Order".

That's the first thing that I thought too! hahaha

Did he really? There's that one scene where he summarizes the plot to Desaad that felt longer than the entire 2017 cut of the movie.

@@steveking1037 Nah you're just hating...

@@fleisbester612 LoL, no, that’s an accurate representation of events. I’m definitely not the only one to point out how they really dragged out a lot of pointless seems and really plodded along at times. They’ve got a joke reel of Steppenwolf just yakking to Desaad that is like whenever the guy from Ant-Man rehashes stuff, but they forgot to make it entertaining.

@@steveking1037 What one scene? Honestly all of his interactions with Dessad doesn't feel long so idk where you're going at.

@@magosexploratoradeon6409 the three-to-five minute one where he relates the entire plot to Desaad in a droning monotone. It felt like reading stereo instructions. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SxLqEggjyo8.html

I liked how the movie didn't just focus on Batman. Cyborg and Barry's development within this movie made all the difference.

@@Manganization Absolutely, Cyborg was golden

Yeah but the problem with that is, why bother having a villain then? You could have like a natural distaster or monster or some other catastrophe be the "villain" if they're just gonna be evil for evil's sake. Villains are characters, and characters need depth and change to be interesting. Sauron is iconic in a "cool" way but I know absolutely nothing about him from the movies.

@@RacingSnails64 because a villain can and 99% of the times will operate as an antagonist force, creating conflict, which is what you need in a story. Yes this brings them closer to be plot devices, but you can't just substite them with a natural happening or monster. Their villanous nature helps the story. They need to be evil, and so, human. Palpatine is a good example of pure evil villain. He's just the worst. Would Vader redemption works if he was a "natural disaster"? No it wouldn't. You need to have Chancellor Piece of Shit. What I mean is that a pure evil ("flat and static") villain creates a kind of conflict that you can't have with other things, because of their evilness. It's not exchangeable

The thing with Sauron was him being a mystery, his screen time wasn't crucial but the idea of him was Also, the time that was written utilized the evil/good tropes often and that has been challenged in recent decades to talk about subtle conflict

Sauro. Definitely has character ixation you learn that he has a lighthouse eye. And can impressively look around

Azog if he started lifting

yep

But why rush greatness? Quality over quantity.

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Savage in a gruff voice: "Kept you wantin', huh?"

"You can't rush art."

new headcanon

This made me laugh so hard my usually clingy cat who was sleeping next to me got annoyed and left.

like some other video said, 2017 Steppenwolf is basically an entitled teenage girl lmao

I think you mean destroy. Whedon was the one who actually made changes and odd editing choices

There was no editing done on this one besides the additionally shot Knightmare sequence. This is the original vision. Whedon is the one that cut it all.

@@TheStraightestWhitest there's $70M worth of editing on this one, actually...

@@steveking1037 That's not editing. That's after effects. The scenes were all already shot, and even much of the VFX was already done.

@@TheStraightestWhitest 90% of it was brand new CGI. None of the Darkseid, Desaad, or Martha Manhunter stuff was “shot,” though it was storyboarded. That’s all editing. Then there was editing colors and angles and such. Editing isn’t just deleting scenes.

Nice!

@@thesaltedlamp3444 Thanks!

how goes it? the novel, I mean

Anyone who disagrees is confused

Bruh.

@Micolash I respectfully disagree. Sometimes villains don't need motivation to do evil things. Sometimes villains are evil just because they are evil.

@@StareachValcin but it works in other movies, like Michael Myers in the current Halloween timeline, or Otis Driftwood in the Firefly Trilogy, while it just didnt work with Steppenwolf

@Six Paths Naruto Snyder said it wasn’t the longest one he’s gonna make. And trust me, I’ve seen every marvel movie three times over and the Snyder cut is better. So do me a favor, stick with naruto

@Jason Wilson yes i have seen age of ultron thank you

​@@whoiseggdog in no universe is the DCEU better than the MCU LOL

Civil war alone is far better than that snyder binfire

@@j3qer267 that’s not what I said. my point is the mcu will never be as good as when stan was able to watch over it. it just became even worse when Disney bought it. DC has been able to stay good, so what im saying is that recent dc is better than recent mcu. i will always watch marvel but until Disney steps up their game im gonna stick to dc.

Yes!!

Exactly. Not to mention abandoning his role as Batman altogether at the end of the movie.

@@MissMartianDCAU He didn't even need to abandon it. Just blame the deaths of Harvey Dent's victims on the Joker.

When I see glaring mistakes like that I stop watching these sorts of videos. I'm sure there's good info but I can't trust anything they say lol.

It set him up as a completely alien mindset, instead of him just summarizing the plot to use for 45 minutes.

While steppenwolf says "then you have weakness." Cause he probably had a family either it being darkseid or Steppenwolf's own family and that became his weakness and whatever.. I got nothing else to say.

Except family absolutely is not an alien concept to him. He is literally part of a ruling family of gods.

I mean he is the new god and darkseid uncle so.

They honestly shouldn't have fought the whole series to build tension of who was good and who was evil

@@fredleeland2464 “Luke’s character wasn’t assassinated at all.” I dunno, the fact that he produced the Anakin blue saber in front of Kylo even though they all know that Rey took it (and was in fact destroyed) and his whole last stand was to BUY TIME for the survivors…

Well, I mean, it’s likely his state of mind when he started his quest, but it on,y scratches the surface of the emotional complexities he has. Good comment bro

He had his farm he also had his complete conviction that he was right and saving the universe even if the universe couldn't see it Which mirrors Tony and his journey very nicely

There's a video out there called "Thanos deserved to win" or "Thanos was right" done by a channel called full fat video's which I recommended you watch. Goes over how Thanos is presented in such as a way that we can see how is actions are justified by him, and that Because of his will to do what must be done to achieve his goal's, we accept that we accept that his goal's are justified. Very good video.

It'd be interesting to see his take on it, that's for sure. The ending was just okay, for me. I was kinda expecting more, as I felt that it didn't show enough for that chapter to feel convincing. I kinda wished it got the FullMetal Alchemist treatment, which had a final chapter with 76 pages; 31 pages more than the standard.

@@Manganization there's actually gonna be an extended edition of the final chapter, adding further context to the events of 139. Check Forneverworld's channel on his latest video if you wanna know more.

@@thebraydenchannel78 Thank you, Lord Jashin! My prayers have been answered!

@@thebraydenchannel78 Was just about to say that! Yesterday I learned the news that it will be extended, which I really appreciate. I would've liked to see the characters explain themselves a little more than they actually did and also, we deserve to see them happy for longer than 2 panels per character :(

At least OP would agree that Snyder needed to be left alone when making dc films.

"The anti-life equation"

Didn't he get banished because, in the original, he was the one that lost the fight on Earth? They changed it to Darkseid as fan service, like adding the black suit. Neither has an actual explanation; it's just digital crayons appllied to the original vision even before Whedon got hold of it.

​@@steveking1037 Steppenwolf references his crime in one of his zoom calls to Desaad, "killed those who sought his throne". Superman's adoption of the Black suit is also explained through Jonathan and Jor-El dual monologues as he walks through the ship. It represents Clark finally embracing his Kryptonian heritage and reconciling it with his human upbringing.

@@unholyrevenger72 -- Thanks for letting me know. I love the lore related to IPs that I immensely enjoyed.

@@unholyrevenger72 it represents Snyder wanting to make the fans happy, which is cool and all, but that’s not much of an explanation. It doesn’t make any sense that him wearing the suit for the “genocide” nightmare from Man of Steel was embracing his heritage. But I I did catch both that and the nebulous reference to Steppenwolf’s crime during the zoom call. Those were just quick “tell don’t show” sound bites to cover for the plotholes.

​@@steveking1037 All the Kryptonians wear the black suit, even Jor-El. This is the first time Clark is embracing that part of himself. And as for Steppenwolf, he left his backstory nebulous, like Arthur's, Diana's, Barry's, and even Batman's so that other filmakers wouldn't be beholden to minute character decisions.

Technically it's a victory for both. That's what business is haha

Completely agreed, and your stepmother seems cool!