As someone who played 1-800 when they were thinking about commiting, it was just one of those songs that just helped. It’s just a helping song, and he was not wrong in trying to make a song that just helped.
your analysis is soo good. he definitely lost his momentum by rapping about things he didn’t relate to, so the same ppl listening to 1-800 were not going to resonate with his other songs
And this is why people who criticize Logic are always so ignorant to him and don’t know anything anything about him. If you actually knew him or gave the time to listen to him, you’d know he’s actually been able to relate to this subject heavily. It’s crazy people have something to say about this man when he goes out of his comfort zone like other artists tend to and they usually don’t make the best music when they do that. Yet he still managed to make the song blow up.
hey guys, i realized i didn’t mean to say that he didn’t relate to suicide but instead meant to say that 1800 was such a different song compared to his other ones, so the fact that that song blew up majorly drew in the wrong crowd
i personally still gotta give logic his flowers cause he’s a genuinely talented rapper. the way he uses cadence variety and flow switches in his music shows his real technical ability. homicide is one of my favorite tracks, second place is probably indica badu
i just don’t even listen to 1-800, i remember how huge it was and hopefully it did help some people but logic’s more authentic music is what caught my attention, like gang related
@@lol_histicall4289 i love perfect as well. I got to see logic in concert this past summer and the visuals for perfect really stood out to me for some reason. Basically it was pink with flashes of the lyrics, pretty simple, but i remember it due to how bright it was and how incredibly involved the audience was with the music. That same show also had wiz khalifa, and he had nowhere near as much audience participation as logic did. Logic is a fantastic rapper and entertainer.
The vague-ness is there so he can help more people, he probably wanted to grasp a wider audience as well. This ssong helped many people,. this stuff is not meant to be taken at a surface level. Also, it's not an anti-suicide song, this is an acceptance song that that happens, and people still want you alive.
I touched on the vagueness of it... I thought it would've worked better with specificity as it can still be relatable... I understand the song helped many ppl and I think its good that it did but in terms of the song artistically its not my favorite
@@KingBenny Fair enough, I doubled-back when I posted the comment, I lashed out a bit much, so sorry bout that. However, I think in utilitarianistic terms, the good that has come of the song outweighs the poor quality of the song itself that you are, in a very valid way, talking about (I hope this is sounding polite, trying my best to, genuinely)
@@Matthew-hy1bq no its all good... I welcome disagreements personally its not anything personal for me lol (it also helps me gain perspective for future videos)
Eh, both apply. Vagueness can be interpreted as broad reach but also as general cliches to do with mental health / depression ig and insincerity Being specific can be seen as not being broad but also can show that you have understanding from a perspective Ie if someone is depressed and I go ‘I have OCD etc. I understand the struggle of [various factors to do with mental health’ then yeah that may help but I don’t get it exactly Idk I’m kinda rambling here,
Saying Logic fell off is such a fallacy. Sure he had those years from 2017-2019 of riding that pop wave, but Logic’s recent discography is better than most artists in the game rn. He had a great send off for his (at the time) retirement with No Pressure, made the Doc D album for the hell of it and it was great. BT3 was pretty luke warm but Vinyl Days is honestly my favorite album of the year. Current day Logic is stronger than any other version.
Based on like media recognition, he fell off, he gets so much hate when a larger media page are promoting his music.......imo he is a better rapper than a lot of guys who are liked by the public
@@JeliTP_12 true, his streaming numbers have been going down, but that’s just more proof that streaming numbers don’t equal your talent as an artist. Drake releases a half baked album and the whole world shakes but someone like Logic could release a well thought out album and be shut out before people get exposed to it
@@Fresh_Chapstick 100% agreed. his numbers also going down because defjam doesn’t promote him for shit , and he’s been promoting his stuff on tiktok and media, if that.
@@testing_somethinghe dropped 2 projects on RU-vid after his “retirement”. And they are both pretty good, it’s just not a lot of people care or listen to him anymore.
The problem with 1-800 is that it did two things: It exposed him to a new type of audience, the type of audience that listens to Sam Smith, Taylor Swift, Halsey, etc. In other words, POP audience, and it then lost his credibility with his rap audience. I think what Logic expected was more of a Juice Wrld, X, Lil Peep type of audience, where it would be hip hop fans but just more emotional, but what he got was straight up an influx of Pop fans. So why does that create an issue? Because his main audience was underground hip hop fans, and the song and “Everybody” as an album as a whole, was geared towards those very fans. He created a conundrum with himself by catering to a whole new type of fan, while trying to maintain his old fans. But he was already too niche of an artist to do something like that. It’s like if Lupe Fiasco suddenly did Pop songs. It works for an artist like Kanye, Drake, 21, etc because their image is more based around fame/clout in general. It’s like Kendrick doing the feature on the Taylor Swift song “Bad Blood”. Luckily that version was way more low key and Kendrick’s backlash was quickly swept under the rug. It’s not that Taylor is a bad artist obviously, but Kendrick doing pop, radio mainstream pop, nonetheless, was a “sell out” for his true fans. Notice that since then, he’s never done a feature like that again. In comparison, 1-800 was a great song and had positive reactions, but it was not the fit for Logics true fans. It made Logic fans think that was going to be his new direction, so we sorta slowly dipped out. I have been a fan since Under Pressure. And it’s still one of my favorite albums to this day. But his exposure with 1-800 was not just a “Bad Blood” moment. He was performing the song everywhere, it was on the radio all the time, so it felt like a ‘new direction’. And then new fans didn’t get anymore of that 1-800 content to follow up on, as he tried to go right back to his old audience. He either needed to stick to that sound or he shouldn’t have milked it. In other words, he lost both his fan base because of it. I don’t believe him not being able to relate to suicide or whatever is what was his downfall… I don’t even think most people knew that. His whole album Everybody talks about anxiety and personal conflicts. So it’s clear that he can relate to the track, just not to a degree of literally killing himself. Lots of people can have suicidal thoughts without actually thinking they’d do that. So I dismiss the whole part about him making the song for clout. I just think he lost both fanbases due to inconsistency. At the end of the day, I’ll always view Logic as the guy who got famous from FaZe clan lmao, and rose up to fame with real talent on his own. He was different in an era where mumble rap was rising and lots of artists sounded the same. He was different and he was cool. And I’m sure he’s living life just fine with his wifey and kid. But I do hate how he just started to turn into a meme and was dropped after a while.
@@shafer2s646 Bruh it took me maybe 5 mins to type this out, aint that difficult lol. How long you think it takes to make an 8 min edited video tho? xd
Thankfully, since No Pressure, it's so clear that Bobby has been so focused on a fantastic, more proper version of his music, and I hope College Park will complete the redemption, as No Pressure, twitchtape, Planetory Destruction, the YS Collection was a blessing, BT3, Vinyl Days and Peanuts have all been great. Rattpack forever man
Bt3 was honestly pretty mid imo and probably the worst of the bt series, the rest have been great. Planetory destruction is one of those tapes u can put on and just listen and vibe to it's prob one of my favorites from that year
@@onemicyeehaw1583 PD is honestly crazy, if samples got cleared for that i dont think i'd turn it off bt3 being a bit worse than the others is understandable but pretty much every song from the tape aside from inside and my way get loads of play from me and it's still really enjoyable
@@aphyTTR to be fair, I can't really remember a single song off off bt3 but maybe I'll try and get another listen and see if I was missing something soon (actually I remember God might judge that's an A tier logic song)
Even if you didn’t like 1-800 whatever, it’s not for you. That doesn’t change the fact that this song has SAVED THE LIVES of so many people and spread a message of hope. Peace love and positivity has been what Logic has preached from the very start. Also, just because you don’t like this ONE SONG Logic released, shouldn’t take away from the entire rest of his discography. Love you Bobby 301 RattPack4eva
It doesn’t take away from his other music. The issue is that he tried to cater towards the audience of that song which stopped him from making the type of music he used to
@@Melonese call it dick riding if you want, I just feel like there’s no reason to dawg on Logic Like that when he’s done nothing but promote peace love and positivity all throughout his career. Not to mention everything else he’s done for lyrical hip hop.
When they soccer moms pull up in a van while I ride, they like “oh my god children it’s the 1-800 guy” I think logic got tired of being the 1-800 guy..
I don't personally mind the 1-800 song (even though it may be a little tone deaf). What I do mind, however, are the tracks that Logic released later on that bragged about how that song made him so much money. For example: "1-800 then I killed the pussy, who can relate?". Just a spit in the face to anyone who was actually positively impacted by Logic.
Most of his references to his income appeared to me as sarcasm, especially in his more recent albums. There are quite a few songs where he says basically yah i have money but that is not what matters most, as well as some songs where he was like “YeAh MaN iM rEaLlY rIcH” kinda just making fun of himself in a way.
yeah i forgot exactly where it was but there was a song and he was basically mocking people saying, "oh my god, you're that 1-800 guy" his message sticks out in a lot of songs about gang violence, racism, etc... i think he was just tired of being known for that one song
Idk man I’m a huge Logic fan and some people don’t understand that he has dealt with a lot of shit. The thing that makes 1-800 “the falling of Logic” are the haters that said he went mainstream or how he “gave up on hip-hop”. When he retired he actually talked about how the rap scene pressured him into retirement and it’s mostly because all of the controversy after 1-800. Thankfully he came back and he just doesn’t give a fuck what others think. He also dropped a fire album this year too🔥
I remember in middle school my depression has started to come to light to my family. My mom never had time for me or my mental health, but one day my mom came up to me with this song. I was so mad at her lolol
I have to agree 100% even as a big Logic fan, he will now forever be known as the "1800 guy". In my opinion, I don't he will be able to make a comeback from it.
Logic has definitely made songs talking about depression and suicide (not as much suicide, though) but not to the level of 1800. Some I know off the top of my head 1. Growing Pains II 2. Growing Pains III 3. As I Am 4. Dear God
I love it when artists can market themselves if you can leave the “underground” while still making quality music you have my respect. Logic failed on the second requirement.
I get the argument and agree to an extent but I do feel that the release of Vinyl Days let us know what Logic really wants to do now that he's not tied to DefJam. Also I think that a lot of ppl outside of Rattpack really enjoyed VD as well which really did suprise me ngl. I, for one am anticipating the next album.
@@KingBenny I wouldn't say no one cared. Like I've stated, when VD first dropped there were ppl all over Twitter and Instagram to an extent we're talking about how the album was either decent or pretty good, it didn't get that much press outside of social media interactions though
@@KingBenny I disagree, people everywhere have been saying it's up there with hip-hop albums of this year, which is a great achievement considering the "lol logic corny ahh clown" stigma he gets everywhere.
@@aphyTTR i legit haven't seen anyone talk ab Vinyl days being an album of the year but even if logic was respected I don't think its a top 5 album this yr so whoever is putting it up there is just wrong anyways
I somehow remember it very differently it might be the Mandela effect tho. I remembered Everybody being really popular and by the time the song with the suicide hotline music video went out, a bunch more people started loving logic.
Honestly i like the idea behind it, but the execution is flawed, if he poured his feelings into it, it would mean a lot more. This songs feels like a instagram page made it in anti suicide september, you know.
I’m a die hard logic fan, have loved all of his projects from worst to best- but I agree. I think that it did ruin his game, but that’s also why I think he’s gonna be better then ever in the future. After all the fame, I feel like it came back with no pressure being more of a passion project for him then anything else. After retirement I think his projects felt more… logic. Bobby Tarantino 3 is criminally underrated with one bad song and multiple bangers on repeat, that just feels like he made it for fun with the boys, that kind of vibe. It feels authentic imo. and vinyl days really feels like logic going back to the mixtape vibe with the boom bap beats and shit, while also having smaller, underground rappers on this project. Now I’m definitely bias, I loved all of logics catalog, even confessions of a dangerous mind (coadm). I can still recognize that albums such as COADM aren’t very good, weather I like them or not. But I feel like logic is back, and this new, post-retirement logic will kill it on his next project. Can’t wait for collage park :)
@@KingBenny thoughts on oldhead rap I'm 31 so I have no idea whats poppin with the today scene...would you consider a longerform video that explains the where today's sounds comes from?
@@dilz5041 i got into hiphop listening to the Ice Cube's and such as well as being a fan of the older style so prolly not the best representation but I think they're dope especially Jay, Nas, and New York rappers in general... Today's sound really comes from too many areas to track down... hiphop is truly more diverse than ever tho so that'd be a tough video just cause every rapper has his own thing going on if that makes sense
id have to disagree with you basically saying 1800 didn’t build him a bigger fan base, yes the mainstream knew him for this song but he’s had multiple songs blow up after this and go radio mainstream plus a lot of people found his other music through 1800 if you just look at his concerts post 2017 they’ve been way bigger than anything before then
@@KingBenny maybe he’s not getting the same commercial success but as far as respect, I’d say with projects like no pressure and vinyl days he’s a lot more respected now that he was in 2018
@@luccafoster-soltis6742 yeah but hes not as respected as he once was... i havent heard many ppl even talk about vinyl days and no pressure was a good project that also got little to no attention
Good analysis, but I do think using one Genius clip to go and say that "Logic doesn't know depression well enough" to make a song like 1-800 is a bit of a stretch, because he definitely does. I suggest reading his memoir "This Bright Future", he goes into a lot more detail about his upbringing and the traumas he went through. It was my favorite read of last year.
If y’all wanna fantastic song about suicide that came out the same year check out I’m Sorry by Joyner Lucas I’m pretty sure that’s who Logic got the idea for this song from and Joyner’s take on the subject is infinitely better despite him also somehow never being depressed
I apologize if I have incorrectly sentences.. Im a multi tasker im out here creating art developing new apps an making music lol.oh yah and commenting with miss spelled sentences I'm a busy man but still find time to comment
Vinyl days is again going back to his roots, big fan of it, just him rapping and having fun. It isnt something i listen to loads, but neither is logic, ill listen to it every now and then and it's good
The vagueness is about depression, not to cater to someone. Depression is a condition that can only be explained as feeling vague, like you can't place it, can't figure out exactly what is wrong.
Vagueness and depression don’t necessarily go hand in hand. There are a lot of songs that talk about depression and make it relatable by talking about SPECIFIC details. And while you may not relate to the detail, you relate to the feeling. Logic has a song called Buried Alive where he questions if his fame is actually worth anything in the end and how he still feels worthless. I am not famous, but the feeling of “is anything I do actually worth it?” Is a pretty universal thing. And it wasn’t vague, it wasn’t trying to appeal to everybody, it was a dude talking about his feelings in an honest and authentic way. Depression is far from vague. It has differences with many people. But there are plenty of similarities.
Once logic blew up with 1-800, i think he started tryna to get as much money he could. Now he’s just doing what he loves and having fun. He gunna start doing trap music again (judging on some snippets of unreleased music he’s released).
I definitely think Logic never hit the ceiling I pictured him hitting when I first started listening to him in 2012, and I never liked that this was the song that boosted him to fame and that’s probably what ignited the slump that he went thru, even tho I liked the Bobby Tarantino series, NP and Vinyl Days.
What’s ironic is this is his most popular song. Man LOGIC my favorite I couldn’t really even like take his “fall off” well considering his old shit is FUCKING good
What’s funny is I remember not liking the 1-800 song when it was released as a single. But I was a huge Logic fan at the time so I just pushed it aside as a song I simply didn’t care for. Because Logic had touched on heavy subjects before that song and it sounded genuine and heart wrenching (Dear God, Buried Alive and others come to mind). 1-800 sounded like a heartless product but again, I was like whatever. Then Everybody dropped and I listened to it. And i thought it was okay but then the 1-800 song came on and I skipped it. And I may have had my Spotify on Shuffle, but I remember the next song that came on was Ink Blot with Juicy J where Juicy J says “k*ll yo self” and even having that on your album while trying to promote “Peace, Love, Positivity” and anti-su*cide just rubbed me the wrong way. The song feels disingenuous and if the song helped you, that’s great and I’m glad you’re still with us. But the song is trash.
Everything in this video is subjective and up to opinion, just like with everything. I will agree that “old” under pressure YS logic is what I fell in love with, I still like Logic today and I enjoy seeing how he’s grown through his sound. Just like any rapper, their style changes, and that’s what makes hip hop great and something that never gets old.
im hoenstly lost when the song first came out i didnt know it was or would become a "meme" nor did i see any memes relating to the song so im not sure about that but the fact that you bashing such a well crafted and thoughtful song for its time is a lil crazy to me mainly because we had songs like "Jocylen Flores" where its about a girl taking her life and the eventual rise of emo rap like not even a year or 2 later but im just syaing your really underestimating it mainly because the main stream audience wasnt fkn with it but i dont think its his best song but i do think its a good song and he shouldnt hhave gotten hate from it nor should it have been taken as a joke
I like the song and I respect the impact it had on people but it didn't impact me like that. I feel like Dark Place from No Pressure gave me that feeling.
The real issue is how he followed up the release, Logic tried to appease everybody with his tapes and boombap mixtapes instead of following up what was then defining the closest thing that we could say it was his own style, while everybody seems blend and forced it isn’t outright terrible, but people can see through catering and both his old and new audience could see through him, everything after seems rushed, forced and even uninspired, seems he constantly lacked any artistic vision for his catalogue
but the thing is people didn't understand the context of the album. he's writing through the perspective of other people. like there's a whole story to everybody. but he did lose much momentum
Yeah... although I don't think a song with Kanye speaking ab mental health now would work back in like 2017 if Kanye puts out a song detailing his mental health issues and how he has struggled ppl would gravitate torwards it and it would work. Thats a big reason for why KSG was as well received as it was... but if he did it now... he can keep it ngl
Lmao i was lucky enough to hear durks version first, i dont listen to radio so i completely missed the hype as i became a logic fan with YSIV i peeped bobby tarantino 2 right after and been a fan since.
I personally hate this song. My late cousin was the one that introduced me to mixtape/young sintra logic. And I was on board. Till this album dropped. Both me and my cousin were big fan of Logic, but at the time my cousin was going through some shit, cut off contact from everyone. I wished he heard the 1-800 before he ultimately killed himself. And I hate the fact that this is the song that propelled him to his popularity now.
Nah thats not what I said... he can make the song... but the song is prolly gonna miss the mark in the same way anyone talking ab things they don't know ab is gonna miss the mark... but mainly the song sucks just cause the lyrics are dumb lol
"RUINED" is kinda harsh brother he still is a legend and someone who brought many many normies to rap music through his cringey ass quirky ass songs but he still was a HUGE impact to the rap scene so "RUINED" is kinda wrong but i also wouldn't know what else to call it
Logic wrote this song from a genuine place and it just so happened to give him a huge pop. Just because he didn't have a plan on how he was going to take his own life, doesn't mean he can't know what it feels like to not want to go on anymore. I've been a Logic fan since ILLCAMS 38 and seeing him hit mainstream was super hype, even though people decided to dogpile him for being "corny" and "disingenuous". Mental health awareness is quite on brand for Logic so hearing 1-800 made sense to me. Yeah, it ain't that boom bap shit or that throw back shit but Suicide Hotline brought in so many more fans who decided that Bobby's personality and talent WAS worth supporting. Man got everything he wanted and needed and you want to say he's "ruined"? C'mon bruh, tune in a bit.
When he went on national stage and said “ I DONT WANNA BE ALLIVVEEEEE, I DONT WANNA BE ALIIIEEEEVVVVVEEE, I JUTS WANNA DIE TODAY” probably not the best song to perform 😅
@@Starborn77 it came out after, it was a mix of making fun of safe spaces and cartmans obsession with getting popular with the new trend which in the case was suicide
Multi tasking my shit isn't exactly easy Logic has killed it for real artist that actually do these type songs such as "atmosphere" Atmosphere has been in thee underground scene for a number of years ...in my personal opinion atmosphere can do better emotional songs....artist that have been depressedcan make great songs... Try multi tasking developing apps and producing music then getting ever app I developed into Google play store so yah my words my come out all fycked up....
@@KingBenny there buddy does that help you understand.....some of us are actually work on line and multi task thing s like this to help creators keep brrad in there pocket by commenting
The hate that he got in the world of hip hop was just completely stupid all because of one song and and it looks like all hate that everyone in the hip hop world give him is now coming back to bite them in the butt just look at the recent songs in 2022 from other artists but all of you already know what I'm talking about take a guess why I said that
I just want to take the moment to appreciate how the song that "Ruined" Logic, is also his most streamed song in spotify. I feel like thats saying something.
Once you lose the respect of these listeners, you've lost it for good. Tough crowd. Vinyl Days was actually Logic's best album since under pressure, but it fell on deaf ears.
