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The Sonic fandom HATES this man. Does he deserve it? 

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How did an advertisement for a Japanese video game turn into one of the biggest, most controversial American comics of all time?
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@mattwith4ts
@mattwith4ts 3 месяца назад
Shortly after I posted the video, Ken Penders contacted me his thoughts on it. With his permission, I'm posting them below verbatim: Matt, I appreciate the video. If I do take issue with anything, is that you make it sound like I’ve been bitter the whole time since I left the book or that Karl and I have been mad with each other all this time. Did Karl & I have differences during the run of M25YL? Absolutely. I also don’t recall banning him from my message board. If he made that claim, I take responsibility as I had a Web Administrator who monitored my message board. From my perspective, Karl and I cleared the air between us during a meeting in NYC when my legal battle was going on and I asked if he would be willing to submit an affidavit, which he did. We’ve encountered each other over the years since at conventions and I recall each encounter as a pleasant experience. Karl & shared similar experiences while at Archie and I’d liken that to the experiences I shared with guys I served with while in the military. What I disliked most of all is how you ended things, with Ian continuing on SONIC, and Karl on continuing to work on comics for major publishers while I just released THE LARA-SU CHRONICLES as an afterthought. What you failed to mention - and that I’ve been very public with - is that the book contains every MOBIUS: 25 YEARS LATER chapter that was originally published in SONIC issues 131 thru 144, establishing my right to reprint the works I had a hand in creating. (As for the other creators, my business dealings with them are private and will remain so.) Your comment that I didn’t have the right to reprint my stories ignores several facets of the copyright battle despite the legal assistance you had. Beyond Ian, I also helped launch the career of artist Dawn Best and encouraged other fans beyond Ian, including Jonathan Gray, who also posted on my website and I invited to share my table space in Artist Alley during one Comic-Con back in the early aughts. One omission that bothered me was not mentioning how I was the only creator who had a hand in every aspect of the book beyond just the writing. Neither Karl or Ian ever illustrated a story for any SONIC comic. The biggest difference between my scripts and Ian & Karl’s was that every script I created prior to ENDGAME also included unpaid, uncredited layouts which the artists used as the basis of their work. The final pencils resembled my layouts to such a degree that the US Copyright Office considered me a legal co-creator of the art as well as the story when they compared samples of my layouts to the finished pencils. Also, not only did Archie not respond to the US Copyright Office over my claims, but neither did SEGA, who received the same letter the US Copyright Office sent out to Archie. Had their lawyers challenged my claim, that would’ve made my battle easier as they would also have to prove a transfer of ownership of which they had no documents to cover. Copyrights are still the Wild West, and when it comes to comics, especially so. The main problem is that companies settle. Work-for-hire is not the hill they wish to die on. Not even Disney. When Ruth Bader Ginsburg decided to hear the Marvel v Kirby case, that’s when Disney folded. They did not want to open Pandora’s box despite their army of lawyers. Same with Warner Bros when it came to the Seigel / Superman case. They ended up spending $30 million dollars only to end up with the resolution DC Comics originally negotiated with the Seigel estate. To date, no one has ever asked why SEGA didn’t go after Archie for the loss of an asset that took 25 years to create. While you did a great job of research throughout, I was amazed you missed the court transcript posted on the BleedingCool.com website which revealed the real reason why SEGA eventually took SONIC away from Archie. During the legal battle, Archie was on the hook to pay for all of SEGA’s legal costs. When it came time to renew the license in 2017, Archie looked at the revenue they were getting from Warner Bros and Netflix for RIVERDALE and SABRINA and decided SONIC wasn’t worth indemnifying SEGA from any and all future legal costs. Since the legal battle, I’ve been more concerned over my personal life and relationships. My better half, Bernadette, who went through the legal battle with me, hated the thought of me doing work-for-hire, which I was in complete agreement with. We’ve seen 3 children grow up and graduate from college. 2 own their own homes with Steve married and the father of 3 beautiful children of his own. My work in advertising is mentioned in the book COMICS MAD MEN, in which I was a designer for the Motorola Razor ad campaign. I’m also sought out for commissions from SONIC fans the world over. THE LARA-SU CHRONICLES: BEGINNINGS was able to go forward to print and eventual release because of Sonic fans pre-ordering the book. As I write this, the cargo ship carrying the copies of my book is scheduled to dock at the Port of Los Angeles with eventual arrival at the warehouse they will be stored at on June 15. Copies are tentatively scheduled to begin shipping to those who pre-ordered starting June 17, going to readers in almost all 50 states as well as 7 countries on 3 continents. (I’ve just been asked to add Ireland to the list of countries I ship to.) Since the legal battle, I’ve also been overseeing a film I directed through post-production. It would've already been released but technology has improved to the point where I’m now upresing the film for 4K monitors. Do I take pride in what I do? Guilty as charged. But if one doesn’t ring one’s bell, will anyone notice? I actually liked your Penders & Flynn comment. However, after my experience making a film, it’s only reinforced my attitude to work on projects where I make the decisions. You have to understand I’ve come to accept my association with Sonic is lifelong and beyond my control. When I stopped submitting stories to Archie, I was still working with SEGA on a potential Sonic film. Not just with SOA, but also with SOJ. I have the documentation to show for those efforts. I broke bread with SOJ executives when we met in Hollywood long before Ian dealt with them. (I even sold original art to Sonic Team members at a Comic-Con, including the original art to the cover of SONIC issue 98 - the SONIC ADVENTURE 2 adaptation - which I also inked.) When the film project died on the vine, it was due to SEGA corporate upheaval. Even though Robert Leffler had passed, SOA President Rob Lightner was still willing to go forward until other executives decided getting into bed with Marvel was more important at the time. There could've been a KNUCKLES film based on my comics from Dreamworks back in the early 2000s but SEGA killed that baby before it could even leave the womb. It comes down to a lifetime of experiences as a result of my connection to Sonic which I never anticipated when I wrote those early stories. That's something that has yet to be properly conveyed. Maybe someday.
@VideoGameSlang
@VideoGameSlang 3 месяца назад
I think you should pin this.
@DrCorndog1
@DrCorndog1 3 месяца назад
Yup, that sounds like Penders.
@Peacove
@Peacove 3 месяца назад
Hey matttt could you maybe do a video on Alan Moore? Love his works on watchmen and killing joke, and he seems like an interesting guy to learn about with your awesome videos
@TheEndOfTheFrontiers
@TheEndOfTheFrontiers 3 месяца назад
What did I just read… My brain is completely fried
@NDHFilms
@NDHFilms 3 месяца назад
Two words for this guy: de-caf.
@gosha305
@gosha305 3 месяца назад
It's funny that the lore behind making the Sonic comics is almost as complex as the Sonic lore they created.
@patrickholt8782
@patrickholt8782 3 месяца назад
No joke. The Archie comics are unhinged with backstory.
@IPODsify
@IPODsify 3 месяца назад
The real sonic lore is the lives of the people who get paid to work on it. Your either getting fired and rehired three times, arrested for insider trading, or having the entire world send you hate mail
@Im2lazy4thisCrit
@Im2lazy4thisCrit 3 месяца назад
I honestly don’t find them anywhere near comparable.
@edwardgaines6561
@edwardgaines6561 3 месяца назад
Nobody is gonna mention the sub-culture of Sonic on DeviantArt?
@matrixmaster9616
@matrixmaster9616 3 месяца назад
Yep.
@gubbothehuggo2771
@gubbothehuggo2771 3 месяца назад
I don't know why, but god has just decided that the Sonic franchise needs to be this cosmically misaligned divine comedy. It never ends.
@publiusventidiusbassus1232
@publiusventidiusbassus1232 3 месяца назад
Chris Chan as the fallen angel
@LongcrierInProgress
@LongcrierInProgress 3 месяца назад
So who is Dante? Ken Penders? hahaa
@raptorskilltor4554
@raptorskilltor4554 3 месяца назад
I blame Sega
@srcoeiu6100
@srcoeiu6100 3 месяца назад
The lore slowed down after 2020 thankfully
@tarosceptic
@tarosceptic 3 месяца назад
@@LongcrierInProgress tamers12345
@insertrandomusernameherera9432
@insertrandomusernameherera9432 3 месяца назад
Reminder that the Knuckles TV show had a whole acid crack flashback segment about Knuckles' backstory and they made his dad look like Ken Penders.
@thefvguy5648
@thefvguy5648 3 месяца назад
That wasn’t his dad. That was Pachacamac, the leader of an ancient tribe from Sonic Adventure. In the show, they never called him Knuckles’ dad.
@insertrandomusernameherera9432
@insertrandomusernameherera9432 3 месяца назад
​@@thefvguy5648 Was referring to this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N6RJhdfRb8Y.htmlsi=4BLGTYldPLH9kh3p
@C.S24
@C.S24 3 месяца назад
He's talking about the puppet.
@thefvguy5648
@thefvguy5648 3 месяца назад
@@C.S24 oh
@markw110
@markw110 3 месяца назад
😮😮😮
@SemperCallide
@SemperCallide 3 месяца назад
Just think, if this series had been canceled after issue 50, Ken Penders would’ve gone down as a legendary comic book creator, and wonderfully devoted father, nothing more. You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain
@SuperM789
@SuperM789 2 месяца назад
but he's not a villain
@_G.C
@_G.C 2 месяца назад
​@@SuperM789I think you're forgetting the part where he made it his goal to tear down the comic and all its lore. At the end of the day it's a comic, but what it had turned into was a pretty good one once ian took over
@TMF979Resurge
@TMF979Resurge 2 месяца назад
​@@_G.Cin other words, the fuckin' villain
@TheGoodDoctor049
@TheGoodDoctor049 2 месяца назад
​@@_G.C And also all the weird sexual shit we wrote.
@20000dino
@20000dino 2 месяца назад
@@SuperM789 But he actually is the villain.
@lorddalek
@lorddalek 3 месяца назад
Gotta pity poor Karl Bollers. Has to share the book with Ken, gets forced at gunpoint by Sega to ram modern Sonic lore somehow into Archie's Pseudo-SatAM universe, and then gets fired over a fricken slap!
@doujinloverXD
@doujinloverXD 3 месяца назад
Actually he didn't write the slap that was put in last minute by an artist that was on the way out, Karl openly stayed that he had no idea about the slap until it was too late.
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 2 месяца назад
@@doujinloverXD Yeah a sonamy artist did it I heard. The shipping wars were crazy back then. Don't they know the only canon sonic ship is that sonic bangs every girl he meets?
@AuthorJohnADouglas
@AuthorJohnADouglas 2 месяца назад
I read the comic from issue #0 and it was around #75 when they started shoving the Adventure game lore into the mix and it REALLY messed everything up. The world of Mobius just didn’t have a cohesive feel to it that the cartoon helped establish
@hitbycars
@hitbycars 2 месяца назад
@@AuthorJohnADouglas I liked the arc as a fun little escape but it was out of place and hamfisted in.
@AuthorJohnADouglas
@AuthorJohnADouglas 2 месяца назад
@@hitbycars and every time a new game came out they had to hamfistedly ram the new characters into the existing canon
@therevenancy
@therevenancy 3 месяца назад
Sonic aside, you took the time to Interview the relevant parties. You didn't make a lolcow out of a strange guy with strong passions. You deserve so much respect for that alone.
@leviticusprime4904
@leviticusprime4904 3 месяца назад
Well to be fair it isn't hard to make a lolcow out of ken.
@I_HATE_YOUR_MOM
@I_HATE_YOUR_MOM 3 месяца назад
​@@leviticusprime4904that's why it is impressive that matttt didn't do that
@spinosaurusstriker
@spinosaurusstriker 3 месяца назад
People not make ken a lolcow for having strqnge assions, they make a lolcow out of him for his overall attitude and incidents, this doc while revealing new info also ommits many.
@inkchariot6147
@inkchariot6147 3 месяца назад
People make a lolcow out of him for thinking that he can slap a copyright on Echidnas, the species that he didn't even fucking create.
@snake3563
@snake3563 3 месяца назад
Nobody would make a lolcow out of Ken Penders, if was just him having strange passions. The reason Ken is seen as lolcow is due his attitude and unwarranted big ego he has like claiming he invented the echidnas or some concepts alongside wanting to sue people.
@kabbusses
@kabbusses 3 месяца назад
Penders would be way more sympathetic if he hadn't screwed over SatAM writer Ben Hurst out of a Hollywood Sonic movie pitch before the lawsuit. Ironically, that probably came back to bite him, considering this may have indirectly contributed to the finalized Sonic movie having Ian Flynn contributions.
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 3 месяца назад
That alone is enough to make hate his ass. Such a snakey way he went about it and the fact he of all comic creators that has fought for their characters got one over Archie; it’s the cruelest joke if you’re a creator who got screwed out of your character rights that’s making millions.
@adamandsethdylantoo
@adamandsethdylantoo 3 месяца назад
Absolutely. I’d argue that while it’s somewhat laudable that Matt kept the video topic JUST about the comics side of things, the fact is Ken had basically tried to claim HIS version of a comic adaptation of BEN’s show (albeit, using Sonic characters) is more important than Ben’s own vision. Ken may have created the entire Echidna cinimatic universe, but based on the concept work at the time, Sonic:Armageddon was mainly focused on the main series and was billing itself as a conclusion of SATAM. All of that is to say, the Sonic Chronicles fiasco and Archie’s incompetence mixed with Ken’s obstinacy was the nail in Archie Sonic’s coffin, but the Penders hatetrain had long ago left the station by that point
@KOTEBANAROT
@KOTEBANAROT 3 месяца назад
Look... guys... by the time Sonic movie was being pitched, Sonic Adventure was ALREADY dropped. It would never work. It doesnt matter who would be making that movie. In no way SEGA wouldve taken anyone up on the movie based on SatAM of all things while SEGA of Japan was bringing Sonic to a completely different dimension and world while casting their own, wholly japanese (with the SOLE exception of the name "Ivo Robotnik") lore into the stone of their new direction.
@kabbusses
@kabbusses 3 месяца назад
​@@KOTEBANAROT I don't even particularly care for SatAM itself. Whether or not there'd actually be a Hollywood movie based on SatAM is not the point at all. The point is that Ken Penders threw Ben Hurst - more qualified to write a story properly in the SatAM tone, and who by all accounts of anyone who knows him was a decent guy - under the bus and got him blacklisted from Hollywood based entirely on lies, all so he could get the shot at a movie pitch he was less qualified to make, thus decreasing the chances of a Sonic movie happening at all, because he'd rather there be no Sonic movie at all than one without his direct writing credit. The fact that his own SatAM-based movie pitch was awful, and his effort indirectly contributed to his present-day arch-nemesis getting exactly what Penders wanted, was just icing on the cake.
@train4292
@train4292 3 месяца назад
@@KOTEBANAROTEven if it wouldn’t of worked, that doesn’t really excuse what he did
@wesreleases6346
@wesreleases6346 3 месяца назад
This whole saga becomes a lot funnier if you imagine “Archie” is not a company but Archie Andrews himself personally fighting against these writers.
@kingkazma3246
@kingkazma3246 3 месяца назад
I used to draw comics in school like that, like Game Sonic versus Archie Sonic, Archie Sonic would serve Archie like if he was Palpatine, I even gave Archie a cloak like Palpatine, Amy versus Sally, all that good stuff, I was a silly kid :P
@nobodybw1962
@nobodybw1962 3 месяца назад
"Its awful Jughead! First Betty catches me calling Veronica while on our date, and now that Penders guy I hired is claiming I committed Fraud!"
@TyeDPod
@TyeDPod 3 месяца назад
"Sega".
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 3 месяца назад
& his Lawyer is Jughead.
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 3 месяца назад
I can picture the Kids from Riverdale as Comic Executives.
@ImTheKingOfHyrule
@ImTheKingOfHyrule 2 месяца назад
There was another force at play here-- someone who sent Archie a mysterious clay medallion that looked like an ungodly fusion of Sonic and Pikachu.
@MrCrazywrench
@MrCrazywrench 2 месяца назад
A NEW HOST HAS BEEN CHOSEN
@arturoperezify
@arturoperezify 3 месяца назад
I wonder how Penders feels now that Ian is pretty much a writer for the games, its gotta sting more since SEGA is actually using some of the characters from the IDW comics in the mobile games and they're even considering putting some of those characters in the mainline games. On a side im pretty sure SEGA ended their license with Archie due to their incompetence regarding their legal cases, I mean they pretty much hired most of the Archie Sonic crew when they started the IDW series.
@mredbadger
@mredbadger 3 месяца назад
Considering how he reacts every time something mildly resembling one of his characters makes it into a story he didn’t write, I doubt he’s envious. He’s probably wondering why Flynn isn’t demanding a 7 figure sum for Surge in speed battle
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
I honestly hope he gets to create something similar to a adventure game that would be great since frontiers didn’t really get that deep despite me not having played it yet, good i waited for the updates though.
@GaidenDS10
@GaidenDS10 2 месяца назад
@@arturoperezify feel bad for Ken Penders at the same time cause a man like him can get engrossed at such things, a lot of artists are like this to exactly get their job done right like a one man army even to extreme lengths of extents. It’s an interesting case study once you take a look at it how creative companies handle their own staff they can go haywire once it steers into a different direction or even a lack of motivation on so many factors
@senorsnout4417
@senorsnout4417 2 месяца назад
"Considering" Bruh, they literally canonized Tangle in Sonic Frontiers. She doesn't appear, but Sonic mentions her by name. They're not just considering, they've started dipping their toes in.
@DarkElfDiva
@DarkElfDiva Месяц назад
SEGA of Japan always HATED the Freedom Fighters. Naoto Oshima mentioned this on his Twitter way back when. The only reason they kept the Archie comic around is because it was selling well and made them money. Once this fiasco went down, SEGA told Archie to reboot the comic universe. Then it didn't sell as well so they used that as an excuse to drop it.
@ClayMaster001
@ClayMaster001 3 месяца назад
Ian shows what companies and fans relations should be
@BigK13372
@BigK13372 3 месяца назад
Ian Flynn is like the best example of the whole Running the Asylum trope.
@ClayMaster001
@ClayMaster001 3 месяца назад
@@BigK13372 yep
@andrewdoucet3029
@andrewdoucet3029 3 месяца назад
I’m new to this whole saga, and had never heard about Pender before, but to me it seems like this is a case of a guy going from wanting to make a comic for his kids out of a desire to be a better father to straight up using the comic as a form of therapy to resolve his own issues. Which in one way is like-that’s part of what art is for! But in another is very frustrating because of the incongruity of engaging with that kind of content in the context of a sonic comic for kids. Not that kids can’t handle the subject matter necessarily, but it feels like over time it was being made for him, rather than for them if that makes sense. Thanks for this content Matttt!
@nobodybw1962
@nobodybw1962 3 месяца назад
It also didn't help that Sonic was Penders only success. He had numerous failed comic and show pitches before and after the comic. So he latched onto this like you wouldn't believe. It's why even years later and being the demon of the fandom, he still attempts to integrate back in.
@yrobtsvt
@yrobtsvt 3 месяца назад
@@nobodybw1962 kind of nice that the pinned comment, the email from Penders, completely backs you up
@Jolis_Parsec
@Jolis_Parsec 2 месяца назад
@@yrobtsvtKen Penders needs to go sit on a cactus. 🥱
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
Hate your down in this situation with us now you shouldn’t have been dragged in.
@palecaptainwolfkayls8499
@palecaptainwolfkayls8499 2 месяца назад
I just find Ken Pender’s work weird solely because of his skunk insert and his writing’s treatment of the insert’s love interest, Sally (a MAIN CHARACTER), I do not know nor do I want to know more about this dude’s stuff.
@superredly25
@superredly25 3 месяца назад
Hearing the words “Other M” as a Metroid fan made me perk up out of fear/concern
@elevate07
@elevate07 2 месяца назад
You too? Hearing that triggered my my fight or fight response and made me double check the video i was watching
@e3102bete
@e3102bete 2 месяца назад
I didn’t really play much of the Metroid games, but happened to play a lot of Other M. Why is it hates so much?
@elevate07
@elevate07 2 месяца назад
@e3102bete Oh boy... So imagine Sonic. Now imagine that Sonic is not only obsessed with pleasing Shadow but that he's so obsessed that he's willing to endanger his own life on the hopes that maybe Shadow will accept him. Because Sonic thinks is Shadow as his father. Now imagine that, despite all the times he's beaten him, Sonic becomes frightened to the point of paralysis at the sight of Dr. Eggman. And Knuckles has to risk his own life to snap Sonic out of it. And when you say "Wait, none of this makes any sense" One of those weird fans says "well it's PTSD." Even though that has never been a thing in any other Sonic media. And then when you point that out, they say "you're just mad Sonic has a character now." Even though that character is antithetical to everything you have ever seen him do in every other piece of Sonic media That's what they did to Samus in Metroid Other M.
@superredly25
@superredly25 2 месяца назад
@@elevate07 I will state the ptsd thing is rather from the fact that Ridley completely died in super. But a more appropriate reaction then “Oh boo hoo! The big space dragon that killed my entire childhood that I have fought numerous times is scary!” But more of blind rage like “DIE DAMMIT!!!”
@boslyporshy6553
@boslyporshy6553 2 месяца назад
​@@elevate07Was Other M a prequel?
@Roboshi2007
@Roboshi2007 3 месяца назад
the fact that Ken penders was seeking a 7 figure sum for the lawsuit tells me those licencing talks broke down because he asked too much. Reminder, he wasn't seeking payment for the use of knuckles or sonic or amy, etc, he was seeking payment for them to use things like "an ancient echidnia society" and "knuckle's dad" etc. I'm not gonna say his stuff wasn't entertaining, but Ken has a history of VASTLY overvaluing his original creations and getting very petty about people talking critically about his work. In my opinion, Archie was probably the typical greedy corporation, but Ken was also a petulant child who threw tantrums when he didn't get free reign to write his stories using an IP that he ultimately didn't own.
@BenCarverGraphics
@BenCarverGraphics 3 месяца назад
If there was ever an Echidna that showed up that wasn't Knuckles, Penders would start threatening to sue. The opening of the Sonic movie in fact was only the latest example of this. When SEGA took a more firm hand in the license with IDW, they saw removing anything even tangentially related to Penders as a godsend.
@Roboshi2007
@Roboshi2007 3 месяца назад
​@BenCarverGraphics yeah he's begun to believe he invented the idea of the entire echidna race, despite the ones in the sonic movie being more akin to those in Sonic Adventure. Also thinking he owns the idea of scourge is pretty silly when good/evil mirror universes were a thing in pop culture ever since star trek had its mirror universe episodes
@BenCarverGraphics
@BenCarverGraphics 3 месяца назад
@@Roboshi2007 But Penders did truly come up with the idea of Scourge being a serial rapist.
@Roboshi2007
@Roboshi2007 3 месяца назад
@@BenCarverGraphics maybe that's what the "zoot Chute" was all about
@ryang1202
@ryang1202 3 месяца назад
I disagree, he gave them a large number because he believed they wanted to keep using the characters, and was confident in his case. Remember, he's sueing for royalties. He and his legal team must have believed they could make more than 5 figures, over time, from the royalties. Also, rule 1 of negotiating; ask for more than you expect to get and meet in the middle. Either Archie or Penders just didn't wanna meet in the middle, and Archie decided they'd rather pull everything than give him royalties.
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 3 месяца назад
A part of me feels bad for Ken Penders. He inserted his own personal trauma, interests and hopes. Then he lost control of the plot, so to speak.
@frederickdawson2253
@frederickdawson2253 2 месяца назад
While i get that, he is literally the template for the crappy entertainment we have in Hollywood today... You cant let your issues and trauma into the works of a IP youre working on... Make your own comic or property to do that
@olserknam
@olserknam 2 месяца назад
@@frederickdawson2253 I like it when works are personal.
@UltraPaperGamer
@UltraPaperGamer 2 месяца назад
@@olserknam Yeah, But I don't think Sonic is a good template for all those topics like... the actual Holocaust. The problem wasn't "He put his personal stories in the comic" is more of a "Why the fuck is Knuckles the echidna, the *Lone Survivor of his own kind* the character with he biggest family tree?" It is obnoxious how he believes he invented all of this characters that are "Knuckles with diferent hairstyle" Like he suing Archie for Royalties is 100% UNDERSTANDABLE... IF IT WAS ABOUT HIS ORIGINAL COMIC ISSUES HE WORK ON, but the way he justify himself erks me, because he wants the ownership of Knuckles but purple.
@newp0rt
@newp0rt 2 месяца назад
@@olserknam sure when the works are YOURS. this is sonic, an established IP. the fact that literally any IP couldve fit into his works, makes it a problem.
@erinvr123
@erinvr123 23 дня назад
he wanted to make a comic about a 16 year old getting screwed by a 20 something year old so uh
@captainweekend5276
@captainweekend5276 3 месяца назад
"Archie comics who were known for comics such as Archie" hmm yes the floor here is made of floor
@joeaddison7120
@joeaddison7120 3 месяца назад
“Floor is made of floor?” You’re definitely not a contractor. If you are, please refund all your clients and maybe, become a lawyer. 😂😂😂
@redoned.8446
@redoned.8446 3 месяца назад
“Floor here is made of floor”? Ayo! Get a load of this guy!
@kaboombox1581
@kaboombox1581 3 месяца назад
The ground vs floor argument continues…
@TyeDPod
@TyeDPod 3 месяца назад
I mean yes, but also no. One is the company name and the other is one product of many.
@TyeDPod
@TyeDPod 3 месяца назад
My floor is made of concrete slab. Which is then covered with plastic and finally Pergo. Your comment is like "My drink is made of drink".
@Karakiri69
@Karakiri69 3 месяца назад
The flynn reveal made me shit myself
@CRIMSON_SAIYAN2
@CRIMSON_SAIYAN2 3 месяца назад
Fr and his new Sonic IDW ones are good decent with one shots though
@Jackleber
@Jackleber 3 месяца назад
Same here. I read those with my kid. We've collected them for years
@tydyman2003
@tydyman2003 2 месяца назад
Same I just assume Ian Flynn was a different guy
@whoisezekiel2099
@whoisezekiel2099 2 месяца назад
THE GOAT ARRIVES
@lavender188
@lavender188 2 месяца назад
@@Karakiri69 i was like "NO WAY. NO EFFING WAY :D "
@TXStheArtist
@TXStheArtist 3 месяца назад
this is one of those "you just had to be there" moments in the comics, i remember being so confused because they explained it as separate memories, then they did some classic storyline that had sally & rotor then the genesis wave happened again & the new explanation was that it was like fake memories or something then we just never saw those characters again, buying books hoping one of them showed up, they didnt even show up in the fanart portion on the last page they all just got straight up thanos snapped
@haha_hollie
@haha_hollie 3 месяца назад
the genesis storyline was way earlier and largely unrelated to the reboot lol.
@TXStheArtist
@TXStheArtist 3 месяца назад
@@haha_hollie yeah my memory is just foggy about it then
@whaleping
@whaleping 3 месяца назад
Is it kind of weird that nobody talks about Michael Gallagher‘s contributions? I’ve noticed a common theme throughout all his fourth wall breaking work is kind of metaphysical about the nature of the comic, without ever directly addressing it.
@theshenpartei
@theshenpartei 3 месяца назад
Fun fact: I kind of met Ken penders last year at comic con. I saw him out of the corner of my eye when I was walking around the convention but when I went to his booth the first time, his second wife (bernie) was manning it since he was getting a signature for his will shatner commission. I bought some things from the booth mainly a patch didn’t get one of the comics since they were selling them for 100 dollars plus I got his business card.
@hansolobutimdead
@hansolobutimdead 3 месяца назад
PUNCTUATION
@theshenpartei
@theshenpartei 3 месяца назад
@@hansolobutimdeadsorry I just wanted to share my story
@hansolobutimdead
@hansolobutimdead 3 месяца назад
@theshenpartei Well put punctuation and I'll be able to understand it
@theshenpartei
@theshenpartei 3 месяца назад
@@hansolobutimdeadfixed it
@BobbyBrotworst
@BobbyBrotworst 3 месяца назад
​@@hansolobutimdead here you forgot these !¡!¡!¡!
@sir._.anderson
@sir._.anderson 2 месяца назад
He got paid $200 PER PAGE??? GIVE ME THAT JOB PLEASEEEE
@jerr0.
@jerr0. 2 месяца назад
That's like $4,400 a month.$52k a year. That's a pretty average salary.
@Go_away__
@Go_away__ 3 месяца назад
Ian Flynn's story is so goddam inspiring dude. I love that guy and his passion for his work.
@BigK13372
@BigK13372 3 месяца назад
I know right. Went from a college age fan making amateur fan comics about Sonic to a highly prolific comic writer who manage to become the definitive writer for many Sonic related stuff (also Mega Man). Like he is basically a Bizarro Chris-Chan in that regards.
@Ujulahipobaka121
@Ujulahipobaka121 2 месяца назад
To each their own
@josecriollo6976
@josecriollo6976 2 месяца назад
American Toyotaro
@bat_mobile7545
@bat_mobile7545 3 месяца назад
I really like your documentary on Ken Penders, from his goal of making comics to his strength and weakness in storytelling that build up and saved Archie Sonic for a time.
@MrSomebodyStrange
@MrSomebodyStrange 3 месяца назад
"I'm not saying it's Watchmen" That's it, now I want to see the sequel to Bartkira but based around Sonic characters re-enacting Watchmen. Imagine how it'd piss off Alan Moore!
@jamesstanley792
@jamesstanley792 3 месяца назад
Imagine if Alan Moore did the sonic equivalent of watchmen lol.
@themoocow7718
@themoocow7718 3 месяца назад
Sounds nuts, but I’d read it.
@Soundwves
@Soundwves 3 месяца назад
Matttt, as a longtime Sonic fan and someone who read the Archie run as it was coming out when I was a child, you knocked it out of the park with this one. I already know I'm gonna be coming back to this one more than a few times. I also really appreciate the more objective view of the lawsuit and Ken Penders' run on the comics. A lot of people tend to turn documentaries about this era of Sonic into an impromptu roast session on Penders, so it's refreshing to see someone only presenting the facts.
@BenCarverGraphics
@BenCarverGraphics 3 месяца назад
It is extremely hard to do because Penders himself is a walking around sidequest. Mattt didn't even touch on 'The Lost Ones' which, again, I feel was a mercy.
@talesfromiDEATH
@talesfromiDEATH 3 месяца назад
I don't disagree with Penders seeking the rights to his creations and wanting compensation for them. I support creators rights. It's a shame this whole saga could have worked out better. But the creators at Archie deserved their rights given Archie fumbled the ball by not having them sign the correct contracts. Hooooweeverrrr.....in his recent work, Penders has repeatedly swiped and redrawn art by other creators that drew his scripts without crediting them. Then, when called out, has claimed that he owns the art because it's based on his scripts, even speaking as if it's somehow his own work based on that fact. This makes me feel that Penders doesn't respect creators rights. He's in this fight for his own profits.
@polocatfan
@polocatfan 3 месяца назад
yeah it's insane this creator is defending the guy despite penders being a massive fucking hypocrite. did archie screw him over? yes. did he screw others over in the exact same way as archie? yes. EDIT: There's even some hearsay about Penders stealing plots and characters from common fanfiction forums during the comic's run, if that ends up being confirmed then I'd even revoke my "he at least wrote good stories in the comics originally" because he wouldn't have written anything original, which honestly I don't doubt.
@roderguzmen
@roderguzmen Месяц назад
Okay YEAH he fucking sucks
@trippdusk5328
@trippdusk5328 21 день назад
Agreed. He doesn’t respect other people’s intellectual property, only his own. He genuinely believes he owns the character Shade the Echidna despite the fact that SEGA created her, even trying to incorporate Shade’s name and design in his own comic. He also created a character named K’Nox the Echidna which is basically Knuckles with a hat, goatee and metal eye, but assets that K’Nox is totally original. Pretty much all makes him a thieving hypocrite.
@staycold682
@staycold682 2 месяца назад
"The Sonic fandom HATES this man. Does he deserve it?" Yes.
@UndercoverNormie
@UndercoverNormie 2 месяца назад
Little kid me in the early 90s sure liked Ken Penders.
@planetfixer
@planetfixer 2 месяца назад
how many vaccines have you recieved, neurodivergent?
@UndercoverNormie
@UndercoverNormie 2 месяца назад
@@planetfixer I'm just kidding, I didn't even know who Ken Penders was until right now.
@staycold682
@staycold682 2 месяца назад
@@planetfixer Man there's trying hard to get a reaction and then there's this lol
@Thaumiel98
@Thaumiel98 2 месяца назад
​@@planetfixer penders deserves all the hate.
@amanzeihedioha
@amanzeihedioha 3 месяца назад
Rest in Peace, Comichistorian
@CalledTurnAGundam
@CalledTurnAGundam Месяц назад
To his credit: He did not mace someone in a GameStop because Sonic Arms Wrong.
@wanbaclone
@wanbaclone 3 месяца назад
"Oh, look. Matt has a new video out. Which comic will I be reading now?"
@ajflink
@ajflink 2 месяца назад
Ken is not a victim. He is an aggressor. He would have been stopped if Arche wasn't so incompetent.
@Beelzeboogie
@Beelzeboogie 3 месяца назад
When you find yourself completely compelled by a documentary about a comic that up until now you had not given even the slightest shit about.
@MLESoup
@MLESoup 2 месяца назад
This is probably the best video I've seen on this. Thanks for taking the time to interview and research!
@Bladedwind
@Bladedwind Месяц назад
Slight correction. There were THREE shows centered around Sonic, though the last one was made in 1999, and that was Sonic Underground. Still produced by DIC, and still had Jaleel White as Sonic, with elements borrowed from the Sat AM show. Manic and Sonia even appeared in the Archie Comics at some point, albeit with multi dimensional shenanigans.
@AllNoneBlakCox
@AllNoneBlakCox 2 месяца назад
Penders Isn’t the most truthful narrator so I take everything he says with a grain of salt for example: Penders says he doesn’t remember signing a copyright contract Archie indeed did make him sign one However the technicality was they didn’t have the original copy Penders even said he took advantage of how disorganized Archie so it’s a lie
@MoteofLobross
@MoteofLobross 3 месяца назад
Lets not forget Penders mining fanfiction, roleplay, and fan characters to steal for the comic. That's the infamous origin of "Do not steal"
@mitchellhancock7920
@mitchellhancock7920 3 месяца назад
Wait, what do you mean exactly?
@MoteofLobross
@MoteofLobross 3 месяца назад
@@mitchellhancock7920 In the late 90's and early 2000's I used to RP on a text based RP environment called ChaosMUCK. It started to be an odd coincidence that comic storylines started looking suspiciously like past RP campaigns. Turns out we had a plant in our midst who was questioned and finally admitted to feeding characters and plotlines straight to Penders. Turns out she also parsed fanfiction to feed along to Archie.
@summersetbanjo7440
@summersetbanjo7440 3 месяца назад
@@MoteofLobross which stories and characters were those?
@MoteofLobross
@MoteofLobross 3 месяца назад
@@summersetbanjo7440 It's been literal decades. I'm sure the former admin of the MUCK remembers. I'd have to bug him about it one day.
@Tornado1994
@Tornado1994 2 месяца назад
@@MoteofLobross Translation: I made it all up. This never happened. I just want to Shade Penders.
@riqopowpow
@riqopowpow 3 месяца назад
Lol, you talk about Pender's awful movie pitch without addresing him sabotage Ben Hurst plans for Sonic Satam season 3 before he dies.
@CountEstradivarius7
@CountEstradivarius7 3 месяца назад
This is the only essay that humanizes Ken Penders. Behind all his shenanigans there's still a human being. Information over entertainment.
@ashesGeek
@ashesGeek 3 месяца назад
I would recommend checking out Lowart video essays about Penders Archie Sonic work from writer's perspective. But yeah, despite Ken doing some pretty petty stuff with trying to lawsuit Paramount or try to sell his "Lara-Su Chronicles" he's a human too, who had a career and some credibility in other IPs beside Sonic unlike Ian Flynn who's only known as "Sonic guy". Just to clarify to whoever would read this, I'm not a fan of Penders as person and wouldn't support him, but at least I understand his story and all the jokes about him are kinda pointless and unfitting nowadays. It feels like people make fun of him not for a reason, but because everyone else does that.
@Planag7
@Planag7 3 месяца назад
Penders deserves nothing honestly. Nothing but a bully
@wreday720
@wreday720 3 месяца назад
​@ashesGeek completely agree, feel like most people just use the "lol ken penders" thing for brownie points, even though it stopped being funny years ago
@ashesGeek
@ashesGeek 3 месяца назад
@wreday720 Not just that, but I find every new video trying to dissect how horrible Ken is to be like an expired apple juice. I remember fans doing the exact same thing when discussing Takashi Iizuka to the point of making fun of his teeth and claiming him as less than human just because they didn't like 2010's games. There are a lot of bad fandoms, but Sonic is definitely one of the most petty ones even if fans try to pretend everything is peaceful.
@edgytypebeat781
@edgytypebeat781 3 месяца назад
@@ashesGeekthe only reason I hate him is because he got rid of scourage the hedgehog and we’ll never see him in a Sonic game or ip And although Ian Flynn is just known as a Sonic guy he did his job WELL and definitely deserves more in the comic industry.
@robertcooper4th259
@robertcooper4th259 3 месяца назад
9:04 ken has balls of steel because this sounds like a perfect way to make everyone question your ability to take the holocaust seriously. Edit: the only other writer with a similar style of pure madness is tui, but they’re not bad at writing, just very strange.
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
Damn man you roasted him saying he can’t take it seriously that’s exactly my thoughts.
@igamergirl14
@igamergirl14 3 месяца назад
Sonic comics were some of the first media that I got super into as a kid. I would buy digital copies for my (tiny!) iPod touch and read them on there, and then later buy physical copies to read. I must have bought at least a few dozen of comics between the digital and print versions, Ken Penders and Ian Flynn issues. Heck, some of the first YT videos I ever did was reviewing issues of the comic! I had always heard rumbles of Penders drama but never knew the whole story of it. Thanks for taking the time to go over the whole thing and to interview the people involved as well. Even though I don't read Sonic comics anymore, I think that will always be a building block of both fandom and media analysis for me.
@RedUmbre
@RedUmbre 3 месяца назад
I like how matttt doesn't waste time in his videos just to boost watch time like so many other youtubers. He just gets right to the point and gets all the information across clearly. And his delivery is so passionate it really sounds like he's excited to tell you about stuff, unlike other channels that read lines in a detached and bland way. I'm so sick of videos where a guy who talks like a bad actor in a high school play slowly trickles out his point
@IanConnel
@IanConnel 3 месяца назад
Excellent analysis. And I agree! But the others will just have to keep practicing (and getting feedback if they're the real deal) until they reach this level.
@volta6432
@volta6432 3 месяца назад
hello matttt, thank you for this doc. i really appreciate how it could've just been another penders dunk session (and man is there a lot to work with!) but you focused first and foremost on their contributions to the comic and the stories it led to, and also the legal battle as a piece of comic history. not sensationalism. i have almost never seen any other channels interview one of these figures, let alone all three at the same time. it's incredible. i think i speak for the entire archie sonic fan community, and sonic fans in general, when i say, please release these full interviews (i realize some might have to be edited, especially Ian, considering he is under contract). they are the most recent word on a very contested saga, and a piece of sonic history. bollers i have *never* seen interviewed. ian even can be extremely tight lipped about the situation, understandably so. thank you so much for doing this work. the fandom appreciates you.
@BlueEyedVibeChecker
@BlueEyedVibeChecker 2 месяца назад
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BEATRICEE!
@aleksakuljanin2442
@aleksakuljanin2442 2 месяца назад
BEEAAATORIIICEEEE!!!!
@LeafSouls
@LeafSouls 5 дней назад
OHHHHHH BEATIREEEECHEEEEEE!!!
@link4444swords
@link4444swords 2 месяца назад
Mike Pellerito and Ian Flynn are pretty dope hearing they achieved their goals.
@pranavanand7346
@pranavanand7346 3 месяца назад
I really like this video, its obvious you put a lot of research, time, and effort into making it and it really shows in the quality product. I'd also like to thank you for giving this comic the fair shake it deserves and not dismissing it like so many Sonic fans and people online usually do. As a massive fan of the comics, these are what got me both into Sonic and into comics in general, so they're very near and dear to my heart. Looking forward to your next video, no matter what it may be!
@RjGoombes
@RjGoombes 3 месяца назад
Matttt is the only guy who could have gotten me to care about Ken Penders ngl
@mrtimo3822
@mrtimo3822 3 месяца назад
I still dont
@RjGoombes
@RjGoombes 3 месяца назад
@@mrtimo3822 fair lol
@lavender188
@lavender188 2 месяца назад
i also dont LOL fk that guy. you probably have a bigger heart than i do so kudos to you for that.
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
@@lavender188He needs to go straight to hell lol.
@StudioRevoct
@StudioRevoct 3 месяца назад
He 110% deserves it, it's absolutely scummy behavior and an abuse of the court system.
@StudioRevoct
@StudioRevoct 3 месяца назад
Before you say I didn't watch the video or am biased against him. In particular I'm referring to the Chronicles lawsuit which Penders lost, trying to claim that any Echidna character was somehow a violation of his copyright, despite how different they're presented. This also extends to Penders threatening, but not taking action against the movies, probably because he knows he would lose against Paramount. Sega, as well as anybody in this situation would rather not waste hours in court over this issue, which is why they just don't make new echidna characters and have scrubbed most mentions of chronicles characters from their work despite winning the previous lawsuit. This is almost exactly like the Ultraman and Chaiyo controversy down to a potential forged signature.
@mredbadger
@mredbadger 3 месяца назад
@@StudioRevoctChronicles had development issues in part due to the EA/Bioware stuff, launched unfinished and didn’t do especially well. It was dead in the ground long before Penders entered the picture Like I’m not saying you’re wrong to dislike his actions but the lack of more Chronicles content has very little to do with him
@StudioRevoct
@StudioRevoct 2 месяца назад
@@mredbadger I know chronicles was a failure with not much chance of getting new merch, but I'm pretty sure Sega specifically doesn't include references or characters from it in media like artbooks, sonic history books, and more because of the lawsuit that happened. Probably not 100% accurate but I heard that Sega won't shot pictures of Shade in artbooks and merchandise because it would open the doors for Penders to try and sue again.
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 3 месяца назад
I believe that just the comic book side of things isn't enough to judge Penders' character. There is a lot of weird and bad stuff he did (even within the comic book side of his life and work) that you omit here, making this kinda feel like you are stepping on eggshels.
@wavelengthrecords-1
@wavelengthrecords-1 2 месяца назад
Do you have any specifics on the other stuff he did?
@Dan.stunts
@Dan.stunts Месяц назад
I really appreciate you taking the time to really everyone out and getting the full story. I feel all too often stories like get one narrative and then that’s the one spread around forever and ever, often dehumanizing a lot of key people. Great work man
@postaldudeirl
@postaldudeirl 3 месяца назад
Honestly, I didn't expect you to do something like this, probably because sonic stuff feels way more of a games thing rather than comics.. but this vid looks awesome and I'm glad more people are gonna find out about ken penders
@momo_genX
@momo_genX 3 месяца назад
I am not even into comics, but drama between artists and writers is always delicious. Thanks for the odd, niche content.
@splat-trainproductions
@splat-trainproductions 3 месяца назад
Like Wilbert Awdry vs the first 3 illustrators of his books of the Railway Series. (Thomas The Tank Engine)
@xavierjuno4572
@xavierjuno4572 2 месяца назад
​@@splat-trainproductionsI mean Wilbert's dilemma actually made more sense tbf, man just wants his engines to be accurate based on the reference material that he provided
@splat-trainproductions
@splat-trainproductions 2 месяца назад
@@xavierjuno4572 Maybe Awdry vs. Britt Allcroft? (Calling the IoS a magical land where dreams come true while Awdry tries to make the IoS as real as possible, lack of real engines & locations being acknowledged, Rule 55, Magic Railroad, etc.) Okay, that makes sense too, I guess Wilbert Awdry vs David Mitton & Andrew Brenner.
@LagoonKnight
@LagoonKnight 2 месяца назад
Well, R.I.P. Sally EVER being a part of anything 😢. Also, Bunny.
@JanickFilms
@JanickFilms 3 месяца назад
I can't believe it! Earlier this week, I watched your videos on Todd McFarlane and Carl Barks. And then this video came out, covering a comic and franchise that I have been deeply invested in! This video was awesome. Thank you for covering the Sonic comics.
@sunbuYT
@sunbuYT 3 месяца назад
Your old thumbnail rocked. Didn't need to change it, but respect the grind either way
@gpthegoat3845
@gpthegoat3845 3 месяца назад
I grew up with the Archie Sonic comics and they’re some of my favorite comics ever
@DwAboutItManFr
@DwAboutItManFr 2 месяца назад
Guy loves his son, leave him alone.
@aidanmarshall9945
@aidanmarshall9945 16 дней назад
I never quite realized ken penders was just a really weird dad, still mad that he ruined the Archie comics.
@fromationart5371
@fromationart5371 3 месяца назад
As a lifelong Sonic fan, Archie Sonic was the first comic book I ever started collecting. It was the comic book that got me interested in the medium of comics (even as a 90s kid that grew up with Spider-Man, Batman and X- Men cartoons). I still miss the continuity of the Archie Sonic comics, but I've been enjoying the Sonic IDW comics just as much
@rayvenkman2087
@rayvenkman2087 3 месяца назад
It’s a tragedy it never got a proper sendoff either with the original canon or the reboot. It deserves at least that much for lasting that long.
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
Plus the idw is more in line with my taste as a Sonic the hedgehog series fan since it sticks to more familiar characters, and some new ones which are actually good.
@DanSutherland
@DanSutherland 2 месяца назад
It's painfully obvious that "LARA-SU CHRONICLES" is Sonic fan-fiction, from there Penders doesn't have much to stand on for claims to royalties. If he can create derivative works of SEGA characters there's no reason anyone else can't make derivative works of his characters for SEGA. So his claims on the Bioware games and pretty much everything are BS. I think if he wanted to continue making his fan-fiction, he should be allowed. Also Patrick Spaziante hard carried the series with his art.
@orinrayner
@orinrayner 2 месяца назад
I didn't know most of this. I'd only heard the Penders-hating side of the story from online sources. I met Steven Butler, one of the artists at the time, at a couple conventions and he's a class-act, so he wouldn't say anything negative about the guy, so I don't really know where he stood during all of it. But I'm glad you took the "let's see all sides of the story" approach to this. I learned a lot. Thanks. :)
@trippdusk5328
@trippdusk5328 21 день назад
I’ll admit that this video did shift my opinion of Ken Penders in a slightly more positive light before I dug a little deeper and saw what a horrible, slimy hypocrite he’s become. I can’t believe that a man who once fought for his right to own his intellectual property has no respect for anyone else’s. He’s utterly delusional believing that he owns the character Shade the Echidna and has even incorporated her name and design into his own comic. SEGA created that character, not him, yet he thinks he owns her because she bears a slight resemblance to his oc Julie-Su. This is the same man that created a character named K’Nox the Echdy’nya, who has the exact same design as Knuckles the Echidna, besides an outfit, metal eye and goatee. He says that, “K’Nox is a father, whereas SEGA’s Knuckles is not. See how that works?” to highlight that K’Nox is a totally original character, but he can’t fathom how that exact same logic can apply to Julie-Su and Shade seeing as one is a mother and one isn’t. I mean ffs, Julie-Su and Shade’s design barely resembles one another, whereas you show K’Nox to any average Sonic fan and they’ll immediately clock him as Knuckles. He stolen Scourge’s name and character design despite having come up with neither. He’s a greedy hypocritical parasite and thief.
@ChristiansCartoons
@ChristiansCartoons 3 месяца назад
I came to these comics towards the end of their run, but I would sit for a long time looking at the comic cover art gallery in Sonic Mega Collection+ on Xbox. Those visuals and the way they took something like Sonic so seriously still inspires stuff I work on today.
@odd-eyesdragoon
@odd-eyesdragoon 2 месяца назад
He shut down an entire, long-running comic, just so he could make and sell Echidna porn with anatomy that makes Salvador Dali art look normal.
@dissonanceparadiddle
@dissonanceparadiddle 16 дней назад
I don't know what's worse The hacky writing or the absolutely dreadful illustrations that don't even hope to be on model. But honestly the thing I most petty about is that charmy was ruined and that now he's never allowed to be around his fiance ever again like come on that would be cute two bee characters with the chaotics. I know people ship charm me with cream but the man was at one time almost married a grown ass man bee!!
@wallaceprower
@wallaceprower 3 месяца назад
This video would be seen as many creators best work, but the fact you're a consistently strong storyteller with many videos as well done as this is incredible. As a fan of yours who's also just a Sonic fan, this video means a lot. Amazing work!
@DillonMaynard
@DillonMaynard 3 месяца назад
I think there's a little truth to both. Archie is corporation with no regard for creator rights, and Penders is a sentimental guy who attached himself to the characters he wrote and maybe needed a payday.
@AbstraktNG
@AbstraktNG 3 месяца назад
Oh god, Ken Penders. I was not expecting this to be a video so soon
@gechoman44iwantahippo
@gechoman44iwantahippo 2 месяца назад
OK, the whole thing of Penders not being compensated for reprints of the stuff he wrote is ridiculous. I will admit that he should have been compensated for that. That being said, I still think he had the wrong attitude about owning his creations, and it’s the same one a lot of other creators have had. I just don’t think you should ever expect to own the rights to what you create if you create it for another company, let alone a pre-existing property. If you want to own the rights, as hard as it might be to be successful with it, you really have to make your stuff independently or with a company like Image. That’s just how the entire entertainment industry works. I do think that creators should be properly credited and properly compensated, but if you want to own the rights to your work, then you need to make it independently. I’m sorry, but it’s just unreasonable to expect to own the rights to what you create if you are making it to be a part of a franchise/world that you do not also own.
@SpaceShip-Orion
@SpaceShip-Orion 2 месяца назад
This is such a cool channel. I'm super glad Matt treats comic creators as people rather than Twitter conversations.
@grayknight9453
@grayknight9453 2 месяца назад
At the end of the day, two solid facts remain: Flynn as head writer = fun adventure stories, Penders as head writer = daddy issues and gross furry sex stuff
@mollyjayhedgehog6276
@mollyjayhedgehog6276 2 месяца назад
He a man child he doesn't take constructive criticism at all he wants to put adult situations and comic that's pretty much aimed towards children not to mention he's actually quite rude
@BlazeHedgehog
@BlazeHedgehog 2 месяца назад
20:16 Eyyyy, I drew that cover
@roderguzmen
@roderguzmen Месяц назад
Can You PROVe it?
@BlazeHedgehog
@BlazeHedgehog Месяц назад
@@roderguzmen I think links are blocked in the comments section here, but it's on my very old deviantart account, yeah. Posted back in 2005 under the username "anotherblazehedgehog"
@sonictoast
@sonictoast 2 месяца назад
What a fantastic video. You did a stellar job getting the facts and info from the people themselves. Very well done.
@Tch356
@Tch356 3 месяца назад
as someone fascinated with wanting to know behind the scenes of creatives behind the archie sonic material, this is an extremely refreshing perspective! had a fun time watching these through and through learning new information how the comics came to be and the creatives at hand in a new lens.
@TheNovaboxx
@TheNovaboxx 3 месяца назад
Dude, Matttt, you have not only become the best comic youtuber on the platform, but you have become one of my personal favorite creaters ever. These kinds of video essays are what I look for when i open up this app and yi woild dare to say that you do them the best.
@7U57HTJRYGHG
@7U57HTJRYGHG 3 месяца назад
i think Sega revoking the IP from archie was a combination of both the Penders v Archie lawsuit and their plans for a divided sonic continuity between east and west falling apart (sonic boom heh bombing) and had to make a change in policy hence the collaboration between Sega of Japan and Sega of America growing tighter before SoJ was content to live in ignorance and indifference at what SoA was doing with the IP as long as they played along with the mainline releases, but after 06, after boom, after the lawsuits about characters and storylines the japanese had no idea were happening, something had to give and they concluded that both branches united could reinvigorate the IP after the bad streak bad games, bad reception, bad press, haunting sonic, it is no coincidence that IDW is releasing the sonic in japanese something archie never did, someone at SoJ has to keep tabs on what the branches are doing lest they "break bad" and cause problems like archie and penders did
@CardboardBots
@CardboardBots 3 месяца назад
This video punches well above its weight. Great delivery and editing. It made me care about a topic that I cared nothing about.
@abdelali9279
@abdelali9279 3 месяца назад
There's a twisted, grim, alternate reality where an Archie executive got so confused and instead of picking up Ian Flynn would've picked up Christian Weston Chandler, and that would've been the point where the western civilization would've collapsed immediately bringing the world until chaos and despair.
@farmzombie
@farmzombie 2 месяца назад
I can't believe I'm saying this, but he looked better with the mustache.
@TheAlmightyLeroy
@TheAlmightyLeroy 3 месяца назад
I appreciate the attempt to be more optimistic and sympathetic towards Ken Penders, but I just can't respect the level of vanity he clearly shoe horned into these comics, working through your Dad's death is something for your therapist, not your children's action comic
@genyakozlov1316
@genyakozlov1316 3 месяца назад
Then what's art for?
@Ujulahipobaka121
@Ujulahipobaka121 3 месяца назад
It's wild tho, not gonna lie.
@zentec010
@zentec010 2 месяца назад
So this is my first video of yours I watched and I have to say, WOW!!! I always heard about Sonic fandom but always written it off, I thought it wasn't a serious of a comic book as it is. You have changed my mind by showing just some of the coolest panels and will be picking up back some back issues. As work for hire, I am totally against the idea I believe companies should have a shared owner ship when someone creates something for them. To rip the idea for a few people and make millions and in some franchises billions and the creators do not get that much money it sickens me. I think work for hire in most cases makes some people both artist and writers do not give their best performance and just hold on to their max potential.
@Protoplosion
@Protoplosion 3 месяца назад
this whole video is peak cinema. enjoyed what was happening all the way through, no distractions.
@fearthesting66
@fearthesting66 2 месяца назад
You know, I always wondered why Return to Angel Island had such a different art style from the rest
@JaredPresleyExperience
@JaredPresleyExperience 3 месяца назад
Great video! I jumped into reading these as a kid. I just happened to start at #11. I got it at the local grocery store. I still have it, although it's in rough condition. I got the back issues as well. I liked the silly aspect of those. Slowly throughout the issues it got more serious. I stopped reading around issue 100 I believe. I had lost interest and was doing other things at that point. At that point I feel like the story got so convoluted. I never realized how long it lasted afterwards, or all the drama behind it. I was just a kid who wanted to read about Sonic. I feel it started going downhill when they "killed" off the original Robotnik.
@tarttooth6022
@tarttooth6022 3 месяца назад
WHOA! How'd you get an interview with Karl Bollers? That guy is a phantom. I think I've only seen one photo of him prior to this video. So grateful to finally hear him speak.
@Rhyme_Time
@Rhyme_Time 2 месяца назад
This was a phenomenally researched video. I never expect youtubers to honestly depict the events from beginning to end. Loved the bit detailing Ian's journey to the games and the humanization of Ken.
@Situaties
@Situaties Месяц назад
God I love your videos, it started a little rough presentation wise but you’ve improved so much. Great work dude.
@bummer6
@bummer6 2 месяца назад
the fact that his works after the lawsuit are absolutely horrendous doesn't exactly help his case in the eyes of the sonic community.
@marvelprince
@marvelprince 3 месяца назад
Probably the most balanced take on this whole thing I’ve seen covered on RU-vid. Good stuff
@ninegearcrow
@ninegearcrow 3 месяца назад
10 minutes into the video - "Oh, I actually empathize with Ken Penders. Holy shit." 20 minutes into the video - "I no longer empathize with Ken Penders. Holy SHIT! 😳"
@SemperCallide
@SemperCallide 3 месяца назад
I read this comic series faithfully from issues one through 70 around the time I guess I sort of grow out of it, but I was always astonished at what an insane change of tone it was from the goofy issues to the super serious later ones
@somebodyrandom27
@somebodyrandom27 3 месяца назад
The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure that Archie Sonic isn't the strangest Video Game Comic tie-in. There was a Brazillian Mega Man comic that had some almost comically dark content. Most infamously, the original writer introduced a villain named "Princess" and planned to have her kill off the entire cast and take over the comic. Honourable mention to the Street Fighter comic that got cancelled after a single issue because the writers thought it was a good idea to have Ken get scalped.
@jamesstanley792
@jamesstanley792 3 месяца назад
Makes you wonder what kind of genesis mega man had for such an idea to even be considered in that country specfically.
@somebodyrandom27
@somebodyrandom27 3 месяца назад
@@jamesstanley792 That's the funny part. From what I understand, Princess Guy was the one who pitched the comic in the first place, aiming to use the brand name to boost awareness of his own comic.
@srcoeiu6100
@srcoeiu6100 2 месяца назад
The Brazilian Mega Man comic would deserve its own video if it weren't put out of its misery so early, for better or for worse
@joshshrum2764
@joshshrum2764 2 месяца назад
Jeez that Brazilian mega man is a new discovery thanks for telling me, and it’s funny you mentioned Ken from street fighter since he shares the name lol.
@fireboy312002
@fireboy312002 3 месяца назад
This was such an insane ride. I grew up on the orginial Archie comcis, I remember reading Issue 11 over and over again. A few years ago I was hoping to get a collection of those and loosely told it would never happen. NOW I KNOW WHY. This was a mess from both parties. Archie structure and not paying royalties. Pender weird choices... The fact he changed things just enough not to get sued fan comics is a choices. I hoep all parties are happy. Sad I'll get to enjoy that part of my childhood again.
@whaleping
@whaleping 3 месяца назад
There are avenues online that you can still read the entire comic. But only in digital form.
@worldcomicsreview354
@worldcomicsreview354 3 месяца назад
A big book / set of hardcovers of Sonic from the first 100 issues of the UK Sonic The Comic would be amazing, doubt it'll happen, though. And this is Britain and was (one of the remains of) IPC, so doubtless a lot of the original artwork is straight-up gone.
@originalkingdomhearts
@originalkingdomhearts 3 месяца назад
Short answer yes. He is a horrible person even if you take out the lawsuit this guy tries to justify child marriage and statutory R.He's disgusting.
@TheGreatDevlin
@TheGreatDevlin 2 месяца назад
Holy crap. Out of all the commentary I've heard about this subject, this is the first time anyone had mentioned the family stuff. Everyone just makes Ken sound like a furry with an unrealistic obsession with the franchise.
@lachlank.8270
@lachlank.8270 Месяц назад
Kids everywhere can't get enough of My Dinner With Andre!
@archabolt1446
@archabolt1446 Месяц назад
To Ken Pender's credit, I did mentally associate similarities between the Pender's Dark Legion Echidnas and the Echidnas of the Twilight cage in Sonic and the dark brotherhood. That game is unique, but awful sadly. I am sad Archie Sonic ended, but Ian Flynn and IDW aren't doing a bad job.
@xxxtentacawon
@xxxtentacawon 2 месяца назад
Matttt is proof of that less is more. I wanted to watch all his videos. Turns out.. I already did lol
@theotakux5959
@theotakux5959 2 месяца назад
There should be a difference between creating your own thing, and playing in someone else's toybox. If you're making your own thing, then yeah, I support creator ownership. But when you're working on an IP owned by someone else, that's their thing, and anything you create within the paramaters of that IP should stay with the IP. It's like how Hasbro owns characters created for Transformers comics, and Marvel premiered characters like Circuit Breaker and Death's Head in different comics first just so they'd retain ownership.
@zedc6072
@zedc6072 2 месяца назад
part of me misses the Archie comics setting and characters. Bums me out that we're prolly never gonna see Sally or Bunnie in a Sonic game or in the new comics (or ever again)
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