If the A7CII gets hotter on the outside, that's a good sign. It means they managed to transfer the heat from the inside to the outside. What explains why it doesn't overheat so easily.
Nope, the A7RV body had the same body temperature as the A7IV but lasted until dead battery so body temperature has little to no effect on video duration.
@@Rocky_KO Now you are comparing two different sensors though. Besides body temperature alone isn't the point, it's the distribution. More surface hot, more heat in total transfered to the outside.
@@maggnet4829 A higher megapixel sensor with the same heat map distribution as A7IV but doesn't overheat. Bringing up distribution doesn't help your explanation at all.
@@Rocky_KOYou lost me there. The video compares the heat maps of the A7IV and the A7CII. The later shows more even and better heat transfer to the outside. I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I doubt the A7RV and A7IV can be easily compared. Higher megapixels does not need to lead to higher heat in video mode, since for starters you are not using all the pixels available to you. I even would assume the higher megapixels of the sensor do not matter at all regarding heat production in video mode, but rather what is processing those pixels in the background and how many pixels you are actually using for the video mode. E.g. the A7IV oversamples from 7k down to 4k.
Absolutely beast of a video, thank you for bringing the info about these new cameras this way! We appreciate all the thought, tests, work behind it! It does not go unnoticed ;) much love from Portugal 💪🏽
I am even more convinced never to buy these cameras. Thanks for the honest review. I've got the A74 back in sight for a good B-cam to my A7S3. By the way, the thermal imaging shows better heat dissipation...which is a good thing. That is why it shows more heat. This means if you use a cage on it, you'll get better cooling because you're making less contact with the camera body.
Its so interesting to see how the Sony A7CII & Sony A7CR compared to cameras they are based on. Especially the Sony A7C II. The value is so amazing. IMO, I believe the A7CII is an "upgrade" compared to the Sony a7IV. For the Sony A7CR I see it as a "downgrade" from the Sony A7R5. Generally speaking of course.
"It was hotter outside and to the touch ... and for some reason it managed to outlast the A7iv" => that's why!! The CPU and sensors were kept cooler by evacuating the heat. You actually want the camera to be hot to the touch.
the a7iv anti dust shutter curtain design is flawed causing some users having it get stuck and becomes useless. hopefully this is not am issue with a7c2
I really feel like the a6700 is the best camera for the money out of the new smaller form factors released. I think the a7CR is the worst value for the money, with the a7Cii coming up in the middle. Sure it's ASPC but you're getting a much faster sensor for $300 less than the a7cii.
For overheating shutdowns, i can tell that it's due to different shutdown parameters in both cameras, a7c series has higher threshold, a7iv parameter is lower, it's clear that with a firmware update a7 iv can do much longer shoots by looking at hotter working a7c.
The longer recording time on the A7CIi has been extended via software. Basically Sony decided to let the camera go hotter before shutting down. That tells me that they could improve that ( if they wanted )on all other cameras such as the A7IV for example. But of course it’s unlikely that would happen.
The video is misleading, it shows @4:35 the shutter is closed protecting the sensor. In fact, the camera doesn't have a first curtain shutter and doesn't cover over the sensor.
Thanks Manny. I went with the a7rv. Why EVF. I have the zve1 and don’t really like the built in lut results. The reframing feature has a warping effect on the edge. Use it once. Cheers
Gerald Undone recently did a video about overheating tests on Sony, it seems a bit random in general. From my own experience sometimes my ZV-E1 records for 7+ hours with no issues at all with external power, and sometimes it shuts off in 30 minutes despite the room being colder with more airflow, it's weird! - Something up with how Sony determine when a camera has overheated.
I wish A7CR has the same LCD screen as A7RV, be happy to pay extra $300 for it. A7R ii on the other hand will be way more attractive if it is $300 cheaper.
Big caveat for the a7c 2 is that it still has the Elec. front curtain shutter, which would be a deal breaker for me when using faster lenses ( F2 or faster ).
If your concern is the chopped bokeh at very high shutter speeds, this is easily solved with a decent weak ND to lower shutter speeds. This concern is a moot point by now
Nice review, mate. After researching for a new camera, I was curious about this camera and it does have my attention. Great video, loved the editing and the music 👌🏼
The reason you are seeing more heat on the A7C II than the A7 IV is because it has better heat dissipation, which shows up as looking warmer on your IR camera. The AI chip produces some extra heat, but also too that heat is not on the main CPU anymore.
Does anyone know when lightroom will be able to open the RAW files on the sony A7c ii ? Just got mine, and I cant open them anywhere, not even in Sony’s Imaging Edge software
The A7RV has the 8-Step IBIS only with certain Sony lenses. How is it the with the 7 Stops of the new A7Cs? If it works with all lenses at 7 Stops, I think it is far superior.
I am a Sony FX3 ($4000) and A7IV ($2500) owner and I am PISSED... Not even gonna go into details... But I had to wait over a year for the FX3 update to have focus breathing compensation... and now these two cameras with the AI autofocus... when are we gonna get those in the more expensive bodies?? Probably never... because of their limitations... Honestly the A7CII, A7CR and ZV-E1 are the ultimate trio for hybrid/photo/video and you can get all 3 with less than $8k ($7500) meanwhile an A7IV, A7RV, FX3 trio would put you over 10k ($10,500). 3k difference in price and not that much difference in specs... Sony are you KIDDING me? #sony #sonyalpha 😠
Time favours newer gear. More or less always been true of all tech goods. It's important to get usage out of what you buy otherwise you loose. 😕 Self has alternative motives. 😃
Love this review. I'm thinking about upgrading my a7c or not, and this video was very helpful. Maybe I will choose to get a new lens instead of a new camera. These new features are not enough yet, so I will keep my silver a7c.
Manny, do you know if the A7C mark 2 can have programmed jpegs to make them turnout exactly the way Nikon would look in color science? So one time putting in a creative style and never have to grade it afterwards? Is it possible to program in the Nikon colors? For photography.
yea those are the major decision features between the A7IV and A7cii. As for me, I don't need dual SD slots but actually need the upgrades to the live web streaming feature (i.e. 4k30p vs 4k15p)
So regarding why hotter camera is not overheating , So if it's hotter to touch So this means that camera is actually doing better job of transferring heat from chip to outside to keep temp down on chip so I assume they designed body in the way that disopeits heat more efficiently so down side of this its hotter camera to touch ( and shows hoter on camera ) but actually it's better ask any one who knows anything about thermodynamic
Thanks for the review! I got A6700. The A7CII looks like the A6700, with a similar body design and menu, right? Any overheating issues with long time video recordings? Do A7CII and A7CR have cooling fans?
Hey boss , I would like to purchase some of your presets, but in one of your description it says one price and then the actual payment is a different price. Can you clear that up please?
I have the X-T5 for a year now and even if it's an upgrade over the x-t3, it's still produce tons of noise when recovering from shadows in DR and I have more missed AF in landscape than x-t3! Now I am tempted to switch to the Sony A7Cii, is it a "fun" camera that push you to go out and take shots or it's like the A7iv?
I always have to go to your site to have any clear thinking about Sony and their models. You have a way of expressing my Feelings of why oh why…and you actually make beautiful results with the tool. Keep driving.
I've seen so many press releases saying the A7CR has "full frame 4K60" but then add "with a 1.2x crop". I mean, that's NOT full frame. LOL. Pretty sus. I owned a Canon 1D Mark III for 12 years and that was a 1.3x crop camera and at no time was it ever advertised as full frame. The original R6 had a 1.07x crop and that's probably OK to call full frame but 1.2x is not (the R6 II is 100% full frame in 4k60 which is why I bought it over the A7IV).
Hi Manny, I had a question about the auto white balance. How do these cameras compare to the a7rv for this? I find the awb of the a7rv amazing, hopeful they kept this for these compact cameras.
Depends what for. If it’s for photography definitely a7iv. Dual card slots. Full mechanical shutter up to 1/8000, better EVF , Better flash sync speed.
@@kevinmeydio2289 colour science is the same it’s the same processor. autofocus better on a7cii but I have the A7IV and the autofocus is already stellar. Personally for photography I’d never consider a camera without a full mechanical shutter ,max shutter speed of 1/4000 etc. completely would rule the a7cii out unless the use in photography unless the use case is for video only.
I don’t think so, but I’m rockin’ an R8, which is producing excellent raw files. I like the A7CII, but I prefer the handling of a larger body, like the R8. Don’t need IBIS, since my 24-104 L is stabilized. How’s that for being off-topic?
Plus the R8 is way faster for FPS for photos and has FULL FRAME 4K60, not cropped like the Sonys. I think it's also cheaper than the A7CII@@ChicagoRob2
Heavy camera and lenses.. yes change your mind if u like to travel small… do u sometimes feel ,.. like leaving your heavy camera and just grab your phone instead? When u have the a7c 2 … u will always take that with you. I promise… hehehe
@@RandzWRX Yes to travel small, I constantly found myself leaving my 5dmk3 home because of weight and size issues!!! this A7CII looks like what a perfect full frame M6MkII would / could have been
The ultimate in gaslighting.... A company like Sony putting such a sh*t LCD screen in a £2000+ camera. In the UK the A7C II is £2349 for body only, it's a lovely looking compact full frame camera, but Sony as usual takes the p*ss with a garbage LCD screen that is useless on a sunny day, an EVF that is equally as insulting (don't even think of calling it a hybrid with that aweful EVF). Then, to top it off you only get HD 120 FPS and 4K60 while the much cheaper APS C 6700 model can do HD240.and 4K120 .... You only do slow mo in short videos usually, I bet Sony could put both HD240 and 4K120 in the A7C II, but they don't want its features to cross over into other full frame flagship models!! These all seem like decisions that are made in the boardroom designed to manipulate and short change their customers. Every dog has its day. Panasonic are on the up and delivering some great full frame and MFT hybrid cameras that bang for buck absolutely destroy Sony !!!
Sony is missing the mark. $2200 for a camera that doesn’t even do 4k60 meanwhile the Canon R8 has been doing this for $1500. They constantly trying to push the market up. I mean who is paying $3k for a camera that doesn’t have 2 SD card slots?
MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AND CLIENTS HAVE SAID THAT THEY EXPERIENCE A LOT OF EYE STRAIN AFTER USING OR WATCHING VIDEOS SHOT WITH CAMERAS LIKE A7IV, A7C,etc. THEY ALSO COMPLAIN ABOUT SWOLLEN AND PUFFY EYES DUE TO THE EYE STRAIN CAUSED BY THESE CAMERAS. ANY SIMILAR EXPERIENCE? CAN SONY ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM IF IT EXISTS?
Its a real slap in the face from sony.. exactly why they did this is not a mystery but for compact, travel or hobbyist camera yeh it's a real slap in the face the sony a7v and Rvi better come soon and be so feature packed. Bloody annoying
