The Soviet Experience in HOI4's Most Realistic Mod 

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Theres always some boot who managed to lose his socks

Committed to their idea of realism, anyway....

Which is true. Of course you could find exception here and there, but most of the big units in war time, don't have the strenght they have in principle, or all the supplie needed in all areas... Unless you're in the WW2 American army. These guys were always oversupplied when the front was stable.

@@cpp3221 "Unless you're in the WW2 American army. These guys were always oversupplied when the front was stable." Oh yeah, they had cake and overwhelming air superiority, but shit MGs and shit armored doctrine. Does your BAR squadmate really need those 500 rounds he'll never get around to shooting? It's another form of bottlenecking - what OP refers to is just part of that.

It demonstrates (some) human beings are masochists who love to be abused.

Exactly. I always say "That is why there's more than one person doing this shit" whenever I screw up or forget something important because I have other equally important things to manage at that time in paradox games.

A multiplayer campaign must actually be really fun

@@ambiguousdrink4067 exactly, like i don't have the time to constantly micromanage my 6 front war as the Ottoman turks in TGWR, as well as do focuses, research, decisions, AND manage my production with newly gained/lost states

You messed up the purge decisions essentially

That's fucking criminal.

how the fuck is that even possible??? What are your divisions doing? Running around like a headless chicken????

@@projectincomperablesloth3324 Sounds like that's what was happening.

Should that even be called military at that point

It's over now :(

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​@@domowomo2125 Its joeover.

Which discord?

>there are discord troons unironically spending their life making overdetailed guides for such pointless bullshit jesus christ what a sad life that must be

@@mrttripz3236 i imagine is the mods discord page but im not sure

@@mrttripz3236 A little late, but in Black Ice discord.

It's not very complicated, really. It's harder to complete the plan while trying to research military doctrines before the purges.

If you want to experience further pain though, try a minor allied nation in black ice (e. g. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece)

Playing a really fun and realistic mod is pain? Yeah, go back to Fortnite please.

@@iegoriasynetskyi1003 What do you specifically mean by saying go back to Fortnite? I am not sure if I can follow.

@@iegoriasynetskyi1003this mod stinks

@@Heinkelly Thank you for clarifying that you can't appreciate anything that requires a bit of intellectual input. I appreciate it.

Yeah, German AI rping the Soviet AI

@@thesovietduck2121 No, that's not what I meant

Napoleon in Elba moment

"Have your fucking danzig"

True the normal game is hard enough and Black Ice made it look like you need a degree in Hoi4 to even understand what’s happening😭

Black ice, the millennium dawn of ww2

@@rhysturner7922 ok ill be real millennium dawn is nowhere NEAR as complicated as bice

@@AlterExo_ millennium dawn is unplayable cause it's slow, confusing etc etc, black ice just has too many events and pop ups and etc, in my experience same but different

You should check out Black Ice for HoI3, it's even worse in that regard >:3

It strangely doesn’t have a Finnish focus tree despite minors that get eaten having them. But they had the time to do a resource rework

I'm pretty sure it does have historical peace deals, but since he didn't really walk into german land the Yalta conference didnt happen. Unless it has different rules here than in vanilla

College messed with production difficulty at the beginning...

@@leviticus2001 not really, i played bice soviets and you cant outprouduce germans no matter what, they can shit like thoushends of planes and without air superiority (or at least netural) you cant do shit

@@Ursus30 Okay, but he did in fact mess with the production of other countries at the beginning, even if a little bit.

Tbf Germany irl had a larger economy than the Soviet Unions, its just Nazis are dogshit at economic management, and communists are really good at it.

90+% of soviet vehicles excluding tanks were made in the US (who also had to send 15 million pairs of boots to the soviets during the war) like 2/3 of their refined airplane fuel, etc came from the US. Just to give a few examples So the Soviets needing lend lease to win is certainly historical.

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Well i mean i played as the Axis and they are definetly not OP

@@justusP9101 The Axis taking Moscow by October isn't OP?

@@unofficial_computeraxis still lost no ?

@@Sathornetfire That is true. I cannot deny that.

i think its less "germany op" and more "playing this game as a human is difficult compared to the ai" lol

Not really it was more in 42 than 43

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Nope, that was the case in 1941 already

​@@dwarow2508 more like 1942 and ready for Stalingrad

@@mariano98ify Nope, in 1941 the Soviets already stalled the largest invasion in human history and drove the Germans up to 200 - 300km west.

i played world alaze and it was so easy one of the easiest mods almost as easy as vanilla not really a struggle you probably struggle with it because you are not really in IRL experienced with the war and i've commanded a lot of war and army into victory IRL so i know whajt im talking about and doing so maybe thats why so easy for me and hard for you people.

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maybe respect your elders @@Dafty2k

@@Johngamer2418 Sure kiddo

@@Johngamer2418 same here. im a retired dictator and its so easy for me to win these games

They really do. I'd hesitate calling it the "most realistic mod", because like all of HoI, they have to make the Germans way more powerful to balance the game. In RL, the German attack on the Soviets was just delusional and the logistics officers in the Wehrmacht tasked with planning Barbarossa even warned their higher ups that this was basically a doomed endeavour based on mistaken assumptions.

​​@@olenickel6013 Germans could enter Moscow unopposed in October. Soviets literally had no divisions to put in front of Moscow. The mud season is the only reason Germans couldn't advance. It gave Soviets enough time to raise new armies. It's literally a miracle that Soviets prevailed. I believe that Americans used their technology to change weather. Roosevelt was a satanic communist

I think many of these mods also give or even exacarbate many of the failings on the allied/soviet side (things like the great purges), while not modelling any of the fundamental shortcomings that in the long/median term absolutely doomed Germany, like the state of the economy, crippling lack of food and crippling lack of fuel. To the point where leadership of the Wehrmacht was pushing to de-motorise the already heavily horse-reliant force due to a lack of fuel that they had no real good idea on how to address. The whole Stalingrad campaign was meant to secure oil fields in the Caucasus, but was imo delusional as even if they got them, they would not find any infrastructure intact and anything left would be bombed into ruin, not to mention the difficulty of maintaining such a long supply line. By late 1941, after the failure of the initial plan, a lot of figures in Germany already knew that the effort was pretty much doomed, and I believe they even expressed this directly to Hitler. And yeah some logisticians (like I believe Thomas?) probably knew from the get go that it was going to be a mess.@@olenickel6013

@@olenickel6013 Literally facts. All of these "historical" mods seem to neglect the fact that the Soviets won???

@@olenickel6013 What was delusional is the approach and preparations, the fight and the plan (as long as we stick to the Hitler and strategic side of things, which lost in favor of the other way) were fine and things were going perfectly normal. Both the germans and the soviets didn't have flaws as far as soldiers and warring went, just like the Allies. Expecting success out of it? And this is mainly because of the presence of the Allies and their supplies, but no. They weren't going to make the soviets crumble for good or defeat them that significantly. Just like - for the Axis side - WW2 in general, many things had to go well for success to happen. A scenario with the UK backing down and signing peace would've been a huge step, but anyway just with very few certain scenarios you would've seen the UK actually do that, especially with Churchill being there and pushing. In real life, from 1943 and on, the battle was still on (in 1945 it was mainly a struggle, although tough and energized to the end) but hopes of victory wouldn't have materialized regardless. Let alone with the Allies actually bringing new fronts wrought on, very close to Germany, european ground. You're right that they were simply doomed.

@@MacronsKitten I am just as confused as well

or acting as if germany never runs out of fuel,lacking consideration for logistical lines and effectiveness of soviet partisans in destroying german logistics

@@justarandompersonininterne6583 YES, World Ablaze is really wild in this regard. Germany can easily field 100k trucks SIMOUTLAINIOUSLY by 1940 while the USA or the USSR struggle to even get to 40k

Because in this game it's not possible to simulate the way Germans advanced into Soviet union. The AI can't do encirclements. If Germany was economically weaker then it would stand no chance.

@@igorpipuk7754 It is possible. Right now, all those mods give the USSR absolutete trash military modifiers AND a weak economy. Germany gets a massive economy AND very good military buffs. To make it more realistic, you could at least give the USSR a good economy while maintaing the poor military and in return make Germanys economy weaker while having a good military

Why? They're already too OP. They are bound to remove the debuffs, and then you just win.

​@@iruleatgamesThe problem is that, by the time you remove them, you are already crushed and barely defending.

No no, the problem is quite the opposite, namely that the Soviet playthrough is VERY realistic.

​@@MajinOthinus if after 1943 or 1944 a soviet union is struggling it is a trash build (bad industry or division templates) or the mod is unrealistic

​@@MajinOthinus No it isn't only people who actively fall for tge post nazi propaganda actually believe this

@@MajinOthinus Ah yes the mod is very realistic. In real life the Wehrmatch was at 71% operational capacity in *1941*. After that the soviets rolled the germans left, right and center. Quit your ideological bias and SNAP BACK TO REALITY.

@@chonkyseal9312 Was that supposed to be witty? Anyway, sure the Soviets rolled (not the Germans though), so hard that in 1942, multiple Soviet fronts got crushed, in a matter of weeks by the German advance to the Caucasus. Must have gotten the direction wrong I suppose; it happens to the best of us~

Was just thinking this

it's impossible

I think that was a different mod.

I think that was world ablaze

Probably that

I'd save yourself the trouble. BI has a lot of bloat going to it. The additional level of complexity to say for example factories brings a lot of depth and complexity but it's not really enjoyable. There's fun in overcoming a difficult challenge, that's not BI. BI is just repeatedly hitting your genitals with a sledgehammer to prove something.

Germany has unit spawns that don’t come fully equipped either. All of the German panzer and motorized spawns start at around 10-20%

i mean? was he not paranoid? was he not a dictator?

@@Someone-lr6gu He wasn't and he wasn't. He was merely the captain of the team, CIA admitted that with sorrow. His "paranoia" is just a continuation of a fairytale about his "dictatorship". (www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf) All of this is made up so people wouldn't think about Stalin as a powerful yet good political figure and didn't adopt his views, so they associate Stalin and communism with paranoia, death and hunger. So basically propaganda. Why? Because socialist economy appeared too powerful and they couldn't fight it economically, so they started political disruption of workers' state and the movements in their own countries. Knowing this, ask yourself, if Stalin was a paranoid dictator, why no one revolted? No one plotted against him except opportunists who destroyed the country after his demise and killing all the people who was faithful to the idea. People literally loved him, they were drown in tears when he died. Doesn't sound like a dictatorship to me.

@@Someone-lr6gu both those aspects were overblown for propaganda purposes. Even the CIA in "COMMENTS ON THE CHANGE IN SOVIET LEADERSHIP" admits it, as well as different Stalin's biographers.

@@yuliusseraph4973 well these characteristics are definitely overblown by some people, but he was surely a paranoid dictator who executed people he thought might betray him

@@Someone-lr6gu a lot of people killed who are attributed to Stalin's repressions were excesses made by other people, such as Yezhov, who was punished for it. Other than this, it worth noting that there was actually a lot of betrayers and opportunists. His right hand at one point literally plotted to kill him. On top of this, a lot of things were at stake. USSR genuinely improved people's lives, and there were a lot of internal and external threats, one of which, nazis, were going to literally colonize the USSR nations like America did to native Americans. Stalin was paranoid, sure, but anyone in his position would be.

Are you trying to tell me that killing a majority of your officers and starving your population for delusional goals wotn lead to bad things? You are delusional

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In the sea of westoid Ls, even Trotsky gets the W🎉🎉🎉

It's almost like the mod is really stacked against the Soviets

​@@guyfromcollegenot very realistic then, is it?

This is the final part of the Black Ice trilogy

@@guyfromcollege No france and Uk

You wot mate

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@@SJ-xb7lg Just a couple of days ago Russian military killed around 200 French soldiers and officers with an airstrike. During the conflict thousand of British soldiers and American mercenaries were killed. The West is actually at war with Russia. They simply didn't declared it.

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​@@ImperativeGames stop drug yourself, it's bad for your stability

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Biggest load of bullshit I ever read. Thanks.

@@SJ-xb7lg And yet, it is true. No matter how much BS you want it to be, reality doesn't care about what you think.

@@DIREWOLFx75 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Reality thats in your head maybe

brother, swedish map game players are aspies....They don't understand😂😂😂

WW2 by Marvel😂

¿No cayó Moscú? ¡Totalmente histórico!

@@BolitadewienNo

Or italy

​@@jaksamadera4421 getting spit roasted or getting fucked

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Sure Field marshal John gamer

​@@kianvandenberg6364 I believe him

I call bullshit

i have been called worse by my enemies@@uhhhprussia

Wow you are so skibidi, your Ohio rizz is too strong

Freaked (1993)

Shift + Left Click when creating the frontline

When youre used to base hoi4 yeah you might consider this over complicated but it’s really fucking good and realistic

@@alextheamethyst5262 it literally isn't, I haven't played base hoi4 in years, if you want a good realistic experience there are much better mods that actually play out realistically and aren't a bloated and overcomplicated mess. Check out ULTRA historical mod or Total Mobilisation, they both provide a realistic playthrough and experience (historical industry and industry growth, resources, combat casualties, unit sizes etc) but do so in a much more enjoyable way. Black Ice is just rigged to be hard no matter what, especially towards the Soviets, that's not realistic, just artificially hard.

@@alextheamethyst5262it’s not really. The Soviets held the Germans back far, far better in real life than they do in this game. The Soviet army and industry was very formidable, especially compared to Germany.

@@DampedGull2579 yeah well a video game can’t compare to real life, video games are just numbers and clicks, real life is, as expected, much more complicated and different

@@alextheamethyst5262 yeah, but that still doesn’t stop the fact that this mod is probably less realistic then actual hearts of iron. The only thing I’d say is realistic is the fact that in this mod the Soviets don’t really get there pushing power until 1943