Honestly I just got lucky on this set, I found them nine months apart actually. The one in the timber just held his color really well thankfully. The best tip I got for elk is to get out before they drop and find the elk. Just keeping tabs on the bulls and watching them week after week until they drop🤷🏼♂️. Do I do that much, not really lol I get so hung up on the blacktail I usually miss my opportunity to watch the bulls