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The Stage That Changed The Tour De France Forever 

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Floyd Landis' incredible solo breakaway on stage 17 of the 2006 Tour de France changed cycling forever. If this stage didn't happen, the 7 time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong would not have been caught doping.
In this 2006 Floyd Landis Tour de France mini documentary, we take a closer look at what lead to stage 17. How did Floyd Landis lose all that time on stage 16 and how could he even make it back on stage 17?
In this video features press conferences and interviews with Floyd Landis from the relevant times.
00:00-00:24 Intro
00:25-01:19 THIS is... Floyd Landis
01:20-02:59 Younger Years
03:00-04:26 Time at US Postal
04:27-05:50 Early Phonak Days
5:51-07:39 Tour de France 2006 Buildup
07:40 -08:11 First Yellow Jersey
08:12-09:07 Judgement Day Stage 16
09:08-16:08 Infamous Stage 17
16:09-16:27 "Winning" the Tour de France
16:28-17:54 The Doping Scandal After The Tour
17:55 -20:12 Armstrong vs Floyd
20:13- 20:49 What Happened Next
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@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Rumour has it you'll smash it in work tomorrow if you scroll back up and like the video 👌
@BrendenConway
@BrendenConway Месяц назад
Didnt work
@juanapuchaltpelegri1077
@juanapuchaltpelegri1077 Месяц назад
Hat guy was a shame. He was a drug addict. The woerst year in the tour.
@reynard2ki
@reynard2ki 7 месяцев назад
I was on my honeymoon when this tour was going on and I remember it well. Now I'm divorced. Turns out that Landis wasn't the only cheater.
@sebastianlauri9622
@sebastianlauri9622 7 месяцев назад
Broooo😢
@user-jm7kc4bm8m
@user-jm7kc4bm8m 2 месяца назад
Get Well 👊🏻
@reynard2ki
@reynard2ki 2 месяца назад
@@user-jm7kc4bm8m Thank you, I'm trying!
@ironmantooltime
@ironmantooltime Месяц назад
Ur wife was durty bro
@ohnezuckerohnefett
@ohnezuckerohnefett Месяц назад
What did you do?
@Datamining101
@Datamining101 Месяц назад
Watching this live was one of the most amazing and exciting 5 hours of television I remember.
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 9 дней назад
For those who still don't get why doping is used in cycling let me explain : -If there was zero doping the TDF would take 2 more weeks in order for riders to recover naturally - The speeds of Time trials and overall peleton average would collapse to at least 35 km hr ( if not less due to winds and air pressure) -UCI would loose sponsors and tv rights as who wants to see cyclists getting off their bikes and pushing the bike up the mountains - Bikes and equipment would not need be super light or expensive since the higher speeds could not be taken advantage of. UCI has known and has protected their top cyclists for many decades, Pro cycling is Entertainment not actually real guys riding their bikes for fun, the element of money on any sport is why Doping is not only encouraged but also protected.
@tomlingier6238
@tomlingier6238 Месяц назад
Fueled by anger? It appears the fuel was something else
@djexidor4670
@djexidor4670 Месяц назад
My family and I were at this stage. We camped out for a few days on one of the climbs. We couldn’t believe it when Floyd came by in the lead…
@egornikitin9787
@egornikitin9787 7 месяцев назад
Another epic day springs to mind. Chris Froome on Giro mountain stage.
@tillyvanilly7015
@tillyvanilly7015 7 месяцев назад
As George Bennet put it: He pulled a Landis!?
@egornikitin9787
@egornikitin9787 7 месяцев назад
Pulled a Landis on them guys in peloton for sure😅
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman Месяц назад
Sky and (not so) marginal gains.......
@Abnsdllnnlosnfd
@Abnsdllnnlosnfd 29 дней назад
@@tillyvanilly7015 No, no, no. It was the fueling strategy! ---> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mccKzTdfXts.html
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison
@AlbertBuckinghamEllison 7 месяцев назад
Such an inspiring ride! Back in my racing days I had a moment like this that I'll never forget. Stage race: Stage 4/4 I had lost the Yellow after a puncture on the 2nd stage and was given a 4 minute penalty to restart a lap later (No Neutral Service). On the final stage I broke away solo for 20 miles and made up 7 minutes, eliminating the penalty and going straight back up to 3rd on GC and Green jersey. Torrential rain, exposed course in England. I rode with such anger at myself for the bad luck. It's amazing what riding with reckless abandon can do.
@gusvanskike4889
@gusvanskike4889 7 месяцев назад
Spectacular video and an incredibly underrated channel! Keep up the great work, I’d love to see more videos like this one
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you that means a lot!
@TheJMT2012
@TheJMT2012 20 дней назад
Its always fun to listen to commentators during things like this. Trying to explain how the rider manage to do it. With their training, nutrition on the day etc etc. When we all know the real answer.
@dorseykindler9544
@dorseykindler9544 Месяц назад
Remember this stage like it was yesterday. Was in my mid twenties, living in a little cottage in Napa Valley, aspiring to report on pro cycling for a living. Where does the time go!?
@teddykayy
@teddykayy 7 месяцев назад
Beautifully put together. Floyd's win is still my favorite.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@andredeketeleastutecomplex
@andredeketeleastutecomplex Месяц назад
He didn't win.
@TheSlowoldman
@TheSlowoldman Месяц назад
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Yes he did, he won over a bunch of other dopers.
@gesp5151
@gesp5151 Месяц назад
Nicely done review
@lucasbrown2
@lucasbrown2 Месяц назад
I really appreciated this.
@brentperez4700
@brentperez4700 7 месяцев назад
That was the first bike race I ever watched. It was very entertaining. I became a fan of the sport that day.
@adamcurpier
@adamcurpier 7 месяцев назад
Great video, ty!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@mmmolchan
@mmmolchan 7 месяцев назад
Nice video! But if you watch Floyd’s tv interview, he said he doped on stage 16 (why he possibly didn’t feel good, and typically at the halfway mark of TDF they did the blood transfusion). So stage 17 was the day after.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Makes sense, dodgy blood bag
@BryenGraver
@BryenGraver Месяц назад
Even as a 16 year old kid, I remember watching that stage and thinking how this was going to go down. I wasn't sure how to feel about it at the time but today I think it's hilarious and freaking epic. Not surprised in the least that the dude ended up being juiced to the gills lol.
@Greg41982
@Greg41982 27 дней назад
I watched this stage and was glued to the TV. I hadn't been as stuck where I was since 9/11.
@JasondenHollander-qj5hp
@JasondenHollander-qj5hp 7 месяцев назад
I walked into work the next day( the tdf is middle of night in Australia) I said to workmates that that was either the best ride we will ever see or it was the other thing; sure enough it was the other thing.
@abedfo88
@abedfo88 Месяц назад
this was the only day i missed on this tour! cant believe it.
@Moishe555
@Moishe555 7 месяцев назад
great video, I loved Floyd!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@Ireallylikeeggs
@Ireallylikeeggs 7 месяцев назад
I really enjoyed watching this.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@janinecarlos1718
@janinecarlos1718 7 месяцев назад
I remember that day. What turned out to good to be true was indeed too good to be true.
@ZENmud
@ZENmud Месяц назад
Being at that finish line in Morzine, France, on one of the hottest days that summer, was unforgettable.
@judithdavison6698
@judithdavison6698 Месяц назад
What a video!
@valentinvlachakos1301
@valentinvlachakos1301 17 дней назад
I remember this voice/face. Can't remember your old YT Channel name but I was there when you were streaming zwift for 50 people watching😆. Good to see you again making awesome sport videos
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 16 дней назад
Hey! You're right. My name is Jesper. I used to do Zwift content haha
@AlessioPunzi
@AlessioPunzi 2 месяца назад
He seems like a nice chap, and I truly wish him best for his life.
@cyclingfreak56
@cyclingfreak56 7 месяцев назад
Nice to hear another dopers opinion, thanks Chris!
@tranzco1173
@tranzco1173 Месяц назад
Neither of those dudes can read. I'm not kidding.
@Bastian_Zugnappen33
@Bastian_Zugnappen33 12 дней назад
It's funny because the day he had the crisis he declared that he suffered from the heat, the next day he accomplished the feat, drinking 100 bottles of water, but with his Jersey closed for the entire stage 😅
@MikeP_
@MikeP_ Месяц назад
It's a long time ago now, but I remember that something felt wrong watching Landis during stage 17. In my recollection, he was permanently pouring water over his head and I felt reminded of an overtuned machine that had to be cooled down to not overheat. For this reason, I was not at the slightest bit surprised when he tested positive. It was an impressive performance nonetheless.
@niklasbirksted8175
@niklasbirksted8175 Месяц назад
The extraordinary day is actually explained. By mistake, one of the blood bags contained blood with too high testosterone, so when he did his daily epo-session, by accident, he got a little extra in the mix. I don't remember the exact details, but it was only due to a small mistake on their side. And the bike swap had nothing to do with it.
@juangomez4967
@juangomez4967 7 месяцев назад
Great video, which is the source of Floyd's comments during the stage??
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you! Various sources led to this video. You'll find most of them on RU-vid if you search Floyd Landis
@ZENmud
@ZENmud 7 месяцев назад
I was near the Arrivée in Morzine that day
@Mububban23
@Mububban23 12 дней назад
I know they were all doped up to the gills, but geez it was exciting to watch that period. Rather than people just slavishly watching power meters and the breakaway nearly always being reeled in like nowadays, people attacked, people cracked, it felt a bit more "human" even though they were all doping. Sad that such an exciting era is so tainted.
@chucklynch5505
@chucklynch5505 7 месяцев назад
Floyd is the Henry Hill of cycling
@randypalmer2328
@randypalmer2328 11 дней назад
I remember hearing about this amazing ride vividly and knowing exactly what was coming when it happened. Like, it was comically obvious, and sure enough.
@BlTCHEZAlNTSHlT
@BlTCHEZAlNTSHlT 2 месяца назад
deserves way more views!
@DavieNicol
@DavieNicol 7 месяцев назад
It wasn't astana that Landis wanted to join but team radioshack. The team was made by Lance after Contador won the tour they both rode. Great vide.
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you and thank you for the correction :)
@GSXK4
@GSXK4 5 дней назад
Now, Floyd's of Leadville On The Go cannabis gummies are available at every gas station in America.
@DJKLIBRA
@DJKLIBRA 7 месяцев назад
I remember this day very well. Everybody was like 😮. This guy is a hero. Not the most likeable guy but having been beat the day before this was a comeback the world had never seen.
@hfhfhf361
@hfhfhf361 7 месяцев назад
What about a video for Cameron Mason? Made some mindblowing growth recent years and would be interesting.
@MattiasThyr
@MattiasThyr Месяц назад
I remembered I was following a blog where Floyd trainer or leader described the morning where Floyd woke up and was turning the bed upside down in mood provided by Testosteron plaster he had worn under the night. The post was removed later. I wonder if someone else read it also? I can not make this shit up because I held nothing against him. I liked his story and all he went through. He was a good bike racer.
@martymiller4300
@martymiller4300 7 месяцев назад
I recently dumped a bundle on hearing aids (cancer) and saw Phonak on a sticker at the audiologist’s office. I asked her about the brand and told her the story about the Menanite that went on to whoop Lance at the tour, she listened wide-eyed, never heard a word about it. Ended up buying a different brand but at least Phonak bought a mention all these years later. I think a lot more of Floyd than I do of Lance, although I use the USPS brand all the time.
@BurgerTime7441
@BurgerTime7441 7 месяцев назад
"went on to whoop Lance at the tour" ? you've got the races mixed up in your memory. This video explains the timeline
@martymiller4300
@martymiller4300 7 месяцев назад
@@BurgerTime7441 yeah I knew I’d get that wrong. Sorry to mess with history, thanks for the catch.
@Stefan_W.
@Stefan_W. 7 месяцев назад
A spoke broke on the rear wheel? Or was the battery empty? Remember Kids, if you running out of energy just change the road bike.
@joecool2678
@joecool2678 7 месяцев назад
If you watch the end of the stage as soon as Floyd dismounts his bike a team technician whisks his bike away before any questions are asked
@boudieskate
@boudieskate Месяц назад
Hmmm. Lemond just talked about this but I thought Cancelara was the first a few years later when rode away after reaching down in spring classics
@umutbarankeskin1291
@umutbarankeskin1291 Месяц назад
Fantastic video mate. This was the day which made me obsessed in cycling and turned out to be a fraud then. However, I still remember it as one of the greatest days in cycling. Not cherising any rage against Floyd but for sure not in awe to him either.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 Месяц назад
EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!
@daveanolik8837
@daveanolik8837 Месяц назад
What’s the mystery of the bike change? Is there speculation that it was a mechanical doping opportunity?
@AD52727
@AD52727 3 дня назад
0:55 My dad is the news reporter in this clip
@sepasaurus
@sepasaurus 20 дней назад
I Stood roadside on that Joux Plane stage, still have an old fashioned photo of Lloyd going past.... but he didn't change cycling- the title is misleading.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p 7 месяцев назад
Wrong dude, LA did fail a test but they covered it up
@chasman9662
@chasman9662 Месяц назад
LA failed lots of tests. But they were inadmissible bc they weren't scheduled per the rules. LA was my hero turned ZERO. He was a liar and ruined the lives of many to perpetuate his lies. Teammates and their wives were threatened if they told THE TRUTH! You saw it in this video...the truth that FL spoke brought out the true LA. Don't defend a liar and a cheat. Still today, people can't watch an amazing break away without thinking of batteries, EPO, LA or FL. He sucks and you should treat him that way.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 Месяц назад
@@chasman9662 What a clown opinion dude. The mere fact that doping is part of cycling history. Its embedded into the sport. And you say this. Let me make it clear. LA won fair and square. Like anybody before and after him on JUICE!!! What you can't take away from him. He worked hard, had talent. Supreme mentally to over come everything to succeed. That's an example of GOAT athlete you can get. Just like Landis he won fair and square. Let me make it clear. EVERY PRO ATHLETE ARE ON JUICE!!! Any sport code. All of your sport hero are dopers.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 Месяц назад
The lancehole was the GOAT cheater. Thats for sure. Poster boy cheater, a 'hero' all hooked up with the UCI, whom he paid off. He even admitted his cheating too. So admirable..... to a 🤡 The lancehole was only ever sorry he got caught. If it werent for his narcissism, pride and greed, not to mention, Floyd here, he would have gotten away. Free and clear. Ive often wondered how he rationalized his behavior to his children. What a freakin example to set ..... In a sport where 'everyone' is cheating, who could possibly know, for a fact, who's the 'GOAT champion'? The most worthy athlete??? Best cheater? Yeah sure, a 'goat'. 😂 What's the 'standard'? Greg L said it best back then. "Greatest miracle or greatest fraud in sport" The act of doping is in fact, physiologically, an uneven playing field. Maybe thats 'not so' common sense? The dope has different effects and benefits for various humans. Doping is also economically an unequal playing field. Not everyone can afford the best dope nor the best 'doctors'.
@oliverleigh9854
@oliverleigh9854 Месяц назад
@rollinrat4850 listen to this dude. Quoting a cheater like GREG and yet condemn Lance of cheating. Make it make sense. PS. You can take every drug in the world. You will still fail if you don't have talent, work hard, and have the right mental application. That's alone makes you an idiot with this comment.
@rollinrat4850
@rollinrat4850 Месяц назад
@@oliverleigh9854 We've heard it all before. Hard work never made up for poor ethics either. I will agree with you on one point. ALL elite sports are corrupt in one way or another. This doesnt prove every elite athlete cheats however. I have no real 'evidence' whether Greg L doped or not. But where's the evidence he actually did it? The burden of proof is upon the accuser you should know. Its simply unfair to expect anyone to prove they never did something wrong. Free speech and free thought only allow us all the 'theories' we can possibly imagine. If proof actually ever existed, Greg would probably have been sued into oblivion for some of the things he'd said or implied. Lemond still has plenty of French fans btw. SURELY, with all his power and money, the lancehole could have convinced someone, anyone to inform on Mr Lemond. A former teammate, soigneur or somebody. Just one person to produce real or at least convincing evidence. But no one ever did that for whatever reason. All Ive ever heard are hearsay, rumors, theories and assumptions, no real facts. Criminals often believe everyone think and act just like they do... Greg's name is still in ALL the record books as well. Oh, the irony. Greatest American cyclist...... I'd imagine, the lancehole still has that famous trophy room, probably never lets his family in there. But that's just my imagination. See, I can do it too. 😂 But go ahead and just assume, spread rumors. Thats nothing new. Did you know? As a teen , Greg L was beating US pros while still a junior. He went on a trip to Europe and won most of his races as a teen. The lancehole had to buy his first big win in '93 from Roberto Gaggioli. Core States I think. Not the only rider he'd paid off either apparently. I had a high school riding buddy who later rode on the Coors Light team. Gaggioli's team. Greg L wore their jersey in the states too. Very, very few elite athletes in any sport have a VO2 max like Lemond's. Thats something humans cant fake, buy or inject. Its natural aerobic giftedness. All this is probably also why the best team at that time '81 (Renault) signed him for a big contract. Bernard Hinault came to California to convince Greg to join his and Laurent Fignon's team.
@tine819
@tine819 7 месяцев назад
I watched stage 17 in 2006 and never have I seen a rider receive as many 'sticky bottles' as Floyd did on that stage. The sports director in the Phonak car was a former ASO employee French. And that is probably why Phonak avoided prosecution. Fortunately, such a thing cannot take place today! Good fair description! Good video!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Thank you! The sticky bottles was insane... we left it out but it was in the initial script. The amount of times he gets a bottle, pours it all over him and takes another...
@Charizardlison
@Charizardlison Месяц назад
what are sticky bottles?
@sicksquid3258
@sicksquid3258 28 дней назад
@@Charizardlison I'ts a water bottle handed to rider that stays in the hands of both rider and soigneur therefore allowing the rider to be propelled at the same speed as the car.
@MariaScreamapova
@MariaScreamapova 7 месяцев назад
Oscar Pereiro's comeback from 28m40s behind prior to stage 13, is more historical because it is the largest comeback in the modern era (post WWII) of the Tour de France, and probably the TdF's winner with the least impressive career resume, but Oscar Pereiro is a former Tour de France champion. And you will never see the peleton give 30 minutes to any rider ever again. I was bummed for Floyd, I thought he deserved it
@notreally2406
@notreally2406 7 месяцев назад
*peloton, but no, everyone came back from that, because none of them were gc guys, which is why they let them have 30 min
@MariaScreamapova
@MariaScreamapova 7 месяцев назад
@@notreally2406 Pereiro had finished 10th in the 2 previous TdF's, and it was stage 13
@francoisgaboreau1097
@francoisgaboreau1097 Месяц назад
"Questions started to arise" after Landis's ban??! As soon as 1999 there were strong, serious questions about Armstrong ! He was tested positive but the UCI covered him.
@stoutlager6325
@stoutlager6325 Месяц назад
I was watching live when Floyd won that stage. It was inspired. Then it all turned to hell shortly after. Really soured me on the sport for years.
@Matfridt
@Matfridt 7 месяцев назад
Floyd's numbers ARE crazy tho, because sports science today is leaps and bounds ahead of what it was back then. Development of young riders is also at a completely different level. Anyone pushing watts anywhere near the best today from 15-20 years ago, you can almost guarantee they were doping
@213tpg
@213tpg 7 месяцев назад
Doping never stopped and never will, as a whole we humans simply are not honest enough
@danieljones8658
@danieljones8658 24 дня назад
@3:16 uh why is my man wearing a Rick Ware Racing NASCAR team shirt???
@tedecker3792
@tedecker3792 Месяц назад
When Floyd started racing MTB in Pennsylvania he would ride to the races. He killed it at the 24hours of Canaan for several years before he became a roadie.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p Месяц назад
How did he do it!!! He was doping gezzz
@koopalibrary
@koopalibrary Месяц назад
everyone knew though. Like I remember coming home, and watching what happened. And even the commentators who were known for glossing over the darker parts of cycling kept dropping hints.
@nathanielkhoom6043
@nathanielkhoom6043 Месяц назад
If people don't like these guys winning then let's go back and give it to the first rider that didn't dope......you would probably not find any of the top ten back then who weren't doing something. It's just what was going on back then, and why should we change history because we don't like it? We need to learn from history, not erase it.
@raysteal3
@raysteal3 20 дней назад
Disneylandis, mixed with dopping
@tommytoe135
@tommytoe135 7 месяцев назад
I remember that day very well. It was the second or third time that I went to France to watch the Tour live. It was the last day stage in the Alps and me and my dad went to the Col de la Colombière to watch the peloton pass. It had already been a rocky road, as the main favourites left the day before the start. But when the 'caravanne' had passed by and the first helicopter arrived. I was so surprised to see Floyd Landis passing by. It was one of those big moments that the cycling sport lives from. Sadly, it came to light that it was foul play in the end. Nevertheless, I still watch cycling today and do enjoy it. But I don't go see the Tour live anymore. The Dauphiné is similar and is more relaxed. :)
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 месяцев назад
I do too. The good old days. Marco pantini did a similar thing, loved it. Made watching the tour more exciting..for me ,take away team radios and let the riders race by instinct. These tours are getting seriously boring
@andrewgoddard3350
@andrewgoddard3350 7 месяцев назад
Sad that Floyd did this....great guy....
@ZdenekZeman433
@ZdenekZeman433 День назад
The bike was having a battery inside
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 месяцев назад
What people don’t realise or remember is the fact that he got there by talent in the first place. He happened to be riding in an era where everybody was cheating. I still believe that because they were all doing it, it made it a pretty level playing field
@Matfridt
@Matfridt 7 месяцев назад
Fair point, but not everyone was doping. Most of the absolute best GC guys were, but it really sucks that we'll likely never know who was clean and who wasn't. Oh well, at least it was a chaotic era. Need another video like this, but for Riccardo Riccò
@petekirwin2420
@petekirwin2420 7 месяцев назад
@@Matfridt yes you absolutely correct and we’ll never know for sure. But what I will say ,the top riders for the grand tours would probably still be the same names. Sad to say but I think they all thought they had to do something to be at the same level. Right from the beginning of the Tour de France there were drugs. Have you seen the pictures of riders foaming at the mouth. Sad I know, but still the top riders will be the top riders whatever
@rumpwrangler1102
@rumpwrangler1102 7 месяцев назад
@@Matfridt no telling how many were doping. The domestiques and the supers all had to be aswell to help their GC guys
@oldfrend
@oldfrend Месяц назад
i'd be shocked if he wasn't using a motor that day as well. even doped up to the gills his performance was otherworldly against other likely doped up riders. even lance on his dopiest of dope days never rode away from the peloton like this.
@ManuelFlores-oe2wf
@ManuelFlores-oe2wf 3 месяца назад
Man I was a novice cycling fan back then and thought this was a legendary performance. Only in my older grumpier less naive years do I realize what a crock of shit this was and how painfully obvious what really happened. All the clues were right there for everyone to see at the time. Same with Armstrong on Sestierre. I remember vividly thinking he was going to lose time in the mountains because he was never a climber only to be amazed at how he ran away from everyone! Hahah to be young and innocent and unaware of the corrupt world.
@tunisiancarspotter
@tunisiancarspotter Месяц назад
seems everyone forgot about the doping case of Landis
@jtmuso
@jtmuso Месяц назад
Fuelled by anger and testosterone
@scottsutoob
@scottsutoob 15 дней назад
Landis or his lawyers posted the analytical test results from the doping control lab. And they looked like they were performed incorrectly to me. From what I could tell they overstated the amount of testosterone, by a lot. It is hard to argue with the isotopic ratio results, so there was some synthetic T in his system. But did he really take testosterone the night before his big ride, knowing if he won he would be tested? And would testosterone make you ride like that a few hours after taking this hormone? Seems more likely that he blood boosted with blood that was taken earlier when he had residual synthetic T in his system.
@livibam
@livibam 16 дней назад
Why would the UCI give a life time ban to people who dope in a sport that requires you to dope to cope? 2 year ban is actually far to long. The UCI knows exactly what’s going on, has been since the inception of pro bike racing.
@andrewhenderson8320
@andrewhenderson8320 7 месяцев назад
Even my old dad new he was drinking to much whisky
@JohnDough-yr2zt
@JohnDough-yr2zt 7 месяцев назад
I saw Landis sitting all alone at the finish of a stage of Tour of California. No one would talk to him at all.
@Rambomname
@Rambomname 7 месяцев назад
Jasper!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Hi!
@Btstaz
@Btstaz 7 месяцев назад
@@TrueSportsLore wow yeah that is Jasper, used to watch him all the time but lost track of him at some point. Nice to see you back
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
@@Btstaz thanks for watching me back in the day, hope you still enjoy these videos 😁
@MegaTubescreamer
@MegaTubescreamer 28 дней назад
The despicable events now well documented over the last 25 years of TDF doping scandals cast a very dark shadow over the apparent collaboration between team sponsors and UCI corruption, who on earth will ever believe bike racing was EVER contested upon a level playing field, it NEVER has been.. and without any real desire to eradicate doping , it never will be.
@Socialisten
@Socialisten 19 дней назад
At 10:00 I am still amazed at the approach to this, Landis was doped, not someone who proved anything to anyone ... other than he was a cheat.
@thanosduckplease
@thanosduckplease 7 месяцев назад
Didnt you used to commentate on Chris Pritchard?
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
Hey! Yes I did 😁
@thanosduckplease
@thanosduckplease 7 месяцев назад
@@TrueSportsLore Awesome! That froome video is one of my all time favorites on cycling youtube!
@TrueSportsLore
@TrueSportsLore 7 месяцев назад
@@thanosduckplease thank you! Hopefully some of these are as goof
@randybrown4774
@randybrown4774 7 месяцев назад
Floyd looked a bit like Daryl Hall. ☺
@Spartacus713
@Spartacus713 Месяц назад
The testosterone number still bothers me. You can’t have the numbers he had on stage 17, without having significantly higher numbers on the day before and the day after- it’s not a drug that can give a one day spike. His testosterone levels were normal the day before Stage 17 and the day after. Also, this is a sport. It’s not the same as if your surgeon was drunk/high during your surgery. The sad thing is it tainted a great comeback stage in the TDF.
@molochz
@molochz Месяц назад
Different forms of testosterone can have vastly different half lifes. It can range from months to hours.
@Spartacus713
@Spartacus713 Месяц назад
@@molochz but from cyclists ridding professionally in that era (I raced as an amateur), testosterone didn’t give you a performance boost. It doesn’t help in endurance. It didn’t make sense.
@molochz
@molochz Месяц назад
@@Spartacus713 So? What does that have to do with anything? If it's on the banned list, then it's prohibited. Simple as that. Besides, Testosterone would 100% help with recovery.
@teddykayy
@teddykayy 7 месяцев назад
Imagine if Lance had just Floyd join his team after getting busted.
@user-it5gk5qe6g
@user-it5gk5qe6g 7 месяцев назад
It's still quite mysterious how he could have such high levels of testosterone in his blood, but I think it must have been because of the bloodbad he got the night before. I also think the bike change is quite dubious. Could he have been using a motorized bike in the first part of the stage to ride everyone off the wheel and save energy? And why drink so much water? To lower his hematocrit for a possible blood test after the finish?
@S2Sturges
@S2Sturges 7 месяцев назад
This is the thing.. He claimed he took Andriol, a oil based oral testosterone, it has a very short life 4-5 hours and most gets destroyed before it passes through the liver, and what's left absorbed by the intestine. The drug is oil based so it will pass through the liver, otherwise the test would damage it. I know this because I was on it for some years before I went to a long term intramuscular injection. Andriol is considered a bottom feeder by gym bunnies, it isn't effective for body building. You cant stay on it that long or you will get a fatty and damaged liver. For Floyd to ride as he did the day after getting crushed, took much much more than Andriol, he was jacked on something completely different
@user-it5gk5qe6g
@user-it5gk5qe6g 7 месяцев назад
Well, I would suggest definitely a bloodbag, and perhaps he took some risks with his hematocrit, but do you think he was on smth else? Amphetamine? @@S2Sturges
@yeahnah7220
@yeahnah7220 4 месяца назад
A motorised bike? C'mon dude, what benefit would 3 D size batteries in the seat tube really provide? The 5min worth of juice doesn't outweigh the hours of extra weight. 20 years on an Ebike batteries are the size of an original gen 1 mobile phone still😂
@yeahnah7220
@yeahnah7220 4 месяца назад
As for the bottles. He overheated and was dehydrated during stage 16.It was 40°/ 100°f that day and unlike the peleton, he had a team car exclusively all to himself and on demand. Dehydration and hunger wasn't an issue and the majority of water was simply used as a tool to keep as cool as possible physically with perhaps an added mental bonus. Another factor was the benefit of maintaining a constant power output out alone, rather than sustained on and offs which are more physically and mentally draining. In training He would regularly put out 300watts over 6 hours and during this stage he maintained a 280w average. Combine that with his talent at descending and gaining time, the fact everyone was tired from the previous stage, the mistake they made in letting him breakaway, the sheer determination and mental fortitude that separates the greats from the good and the audacity to believe and back himself with such tactics it was made it all to be so incredible.
@Saoco325
@Saoco325 7 месяцев назад
Looks like the battery drained out on the first bike. If you brake a spoke, you can't ride any further.
@onanthebarbarian9883
@onanthebarbarian9883 2 месяца назад
Well you can...but you never know when the wheel will collapse
@dickieblench5001
@dickieblench5001 Месяц назад
Yes you can you just reach down and loosen off the caliper. The wheel isn't going to collapse
@keirfarnum6811
@keirfarnum6811 Месяц назад
Not true. The wheel will go out of true, but it’s still rideable.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p 7 месяцев назад
What brought LA down was coming back. His ego brought himself down
@abp1400
@abp1400 7 месяцев назад
exactly, that was his biggest sin. if he doesn't come back, I doubt he gets caught.
@tomaszn9201
@tomaszn9201 7 месяцев назад
epo, testosterone can still be felt in the air
@Jon-cw8bb
@Jon-cw8bb 13 дней назад
Juiced to the gills
@Chris-dw3xl
@Chris-dw3xl 7 месяцев назад
I think the doping test was wrong testosterone doesn’t work that quick it takes a few weeks for it to build up in the system , not a day was he made a scapegoat for Armstrong which in the end back fired??? Was it motor doping ? Which is more plausible we will never know
@user-rr4fq7tr7x
@user-rr4fq7tr7x Месяц назад
Took a prescribed steroid once after an injury when trying to put in extra miles. Works great for day to day recovery.
@flachi32
@flachi32 7 месяцев назад
It sounds harsh but I would have had bruyneel and Armstrong locked up for 7 years. And UCI. I still think of pro cycling as doped and it seems no one got punished for the systematic fraud.
@user-sg3xd4dj1p
@user-sg3xd4dj1p Месяц назад
It was the backwards hat that cost him the TDF
@Socialisten
@Socialisten 19 дней назад
Christopher Horner praising the doper, screams Christopher was a doper too!
@csalin7327
@csalin7327 7 месяцев назад
DOPER !
@kristofrookx8452
@kristofrookx8452 7 месяцев назад
Most of them we're doped anyway. Crazy performance. Basicly unmatched
@BurgerTime7441
@BurgerTime7441 7 месяцев назад
Obviously Floyd had a super-sized blood bag the night after stage 16.
@ksmanning
@ksmanning Месяц назад
Do not trust any adult who wears a ball cap backwards. Ever.
@gavpurdy3066
@gavpurdy3066 Месяц назад
Mechanical doping as well with the bike change? Mmm
@sparx550
@sparx550 Месяц назад
Anyone who stood up to and brought Armstrong down is Hero.
@deathmachine6376
@deathmachine6376 Месяц назад
you guys ask so nicely to subscribe, i can't say no
@rg807
@rg807 7 месяцев назад
One of the greatest stage wins ever. Drugs, yes, shut up. Everyone else was on them too.
@Robutube1
@Robutube1 7 месяцев назад
Genuine question: Why was Landis' bike change suspicious? I thought this happened all of the time. Thanks.
@tillyvanilly7015
@tillyvanilly7015 7 месяцев назад
Because it looks staged. The thing is: There is a big debate about motor doping, meaning you put a small electric motor in the tube of the bicycle and that motors your bike to give you a little push. Just a small notch over your opponents. There are x ray scans theses days in competition to avoid any such offenses, but these tests were implemented only after actual cases arose. There was one female rider that got caught. This topic is more often discussed in relation to Fabian Cancellara‘s win over Tom Boomen in Flanders I think (or roubaix). Just google it. It’s a really big fan theory, but it’s also a bit ridiculous. However, as there are discussions about motor doping, this one was very suspicious for sure. He changed his bike so casually like „okay, battery is empty, let’s switch to the lighter bike now and finish the stage.“
@niklasbirksted8175
@niklasbirksted8175 Месяц назад
It's not, but some people are convinced motordoping is happening, partially due to Greg Lemond not having a clue. But even today, batteries are too big and heavy for it to be a good idea, especially on mountain stages. Imagine how much a batteri would weigh in 2006 then.
@andreasandremyrvold
@andreasandremyrvold Месяц назад
The professional cyclist Floyd Landis had a moral compass and Lance Armstrong did not. What does that tell you about politicians? Hint: they are professionals
@BG-yr1rr
@BG-yr1rr 7 месяцев назад
Not sure why a bike change is controversial...
@astu46
@astu46 7 месяцев назад
because possible motor on it
@riccardotassinari6931
@riccardotassinari6931 7 месяцев назад
Not at that time. Nowadays, that bike change is very suspicious. If you Watch all the stage, he never seems to push on the pedals and he continously put water on his head and body... For the heat? Or to simulate stress and sweat? Look at his face when he arrive. It was all so strange just to think that he was only chemical doping.
@alechull4300
@alechull4300 7 месяцев назад
There was a bike with a fresh battery for the motor
@yeahnah7220
@yeahnah7220 4 месяца назад
​@@alechull4300lol you seen Ebike batteries? What was he running 20 years ago, 2aa batteries in the seat tube that would be flat in 30sec. Fk me, have a think about it yeah.
@alechull4300
@alechull4300 4 месяца назад
I think phonak knows a thing or two about making small batteries@@yeahnah7220
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