"No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems - of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind." "The fact that so many successful politicians are such shameless liars is not only a reflection on them, it is also a reflection on us. When the people want the impossible, only liars can satisfy." Thomas Sowell
I'm struck by the last part of that quote about the Liars. It's telling that in the 70s, Margaret Thatcher won big, from the economic strike ridden shambles that was Britain, but leveled with the British people, to paraphrase, medicine tastes bad, you don't like taking it, but you have to take it before you can get better, so the British economy. But then she had conviction and integrity, big difference.
@@larrygerry985 Just look back to the 2017 election Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes with a 40% share of all votes. This election Starmer received 9,712,011 votes with a 33.8% share of the votes. Corbyn got people out to vote for him.
@@andrewhotston983what a nightmare that count in Essex must have been. I worked counting votes in the Chelsea & Fulham constituency. It took 10 hours overnight because there was only 152 votes difference between the Conservative and Labour so the votes for every ballot box had to be double checked. We couldn’t leave before it was called. I hope the counters in Essex were allowed to go home and rest and return for the recount.
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
@@hamiltonmackenzie3340 Seeing the left enjoying themselves, they can be the ones going to war to fight that evil Russia. I'm unrepresented in this country.
Turnout of ~60%, of which Labour won ~33% . . . . which means 80% of the electorate _didn't_ vote for Labour . . . or to put it another way, Labour won over roughly 20% of the electorate, like you say people aren't overly excited by Labour.
@@Lamarche62 Very much so. Open borders means the housing crisis will never end, and the politics of envy mean that punitive taxation will engulf everyone above the level of being on benefits. Aspiration now counts for nothing.
The Muslim vote in every democratic country follows the same pattern - religion over country. Loyalty to religion supercedes national identity. If you criticise its Islamaphobia...
Remember people. Kier Starmer has been PM for less than 5 hours. And in 30mins, it will turn 6pm on a Friday. He is taking what will be the first of many strikes
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
Forty million adults in the UK. Nine million voted Labour, and it's a landslide win of unprecedented, near biblical proportions? A) Labour voting turnout yesterday : nine million people. B) Jeremy Corbyn turnout 2017 : twelve million, eight hundred thousand. Lowest turnout in twenty years... Maybe one day... UK politics will be a true mirror of the nation. Everyone will turn out and vote... because they actually care about their future.
Elections are a reflection of the people. Most of them are stupid and lazy. The women want a socialist state to take care of them. Feminine men want a socialist state to take care of them. Real men want a smaller state to leave them alone. There are very few real men in the west.
All the people who didn't vote would have voted for them if they had voted. Sounds ridiculous, right? No more ridiculous than adding them to the denominator to distort the figures and imply they voted against. If you don't vote, you don't count. End of.
Let’s get it right, forty million idiots in Britain and nine million with a brain, maybe that’s why we can’t produce our own car or electricity, never thought of that? Thanks.👍🙈
I like to see the best in people, but it seems so unfathomably stupid not to realise that the only likely outcome of 'grievance' ideology would be increased sectarianism that I start to wonder about my fellow citizens.
Whatever your politics, this seems like the most thoughtful summation of the election that I’ve seen - the main stream media are so blinkered by their own doctrine, there is no attempt to understand how the populous is thinking.
As a percentage of the population, Labour only had 22.5% of the votes (37.5% of votes cast). 40% of people didn't even turn up to vote. This wasn't a get labour in movement, it was a get the tories out movement. Labour were just the right time right place kinda situation.
Exactly. Because Conservative were so grossly inadequate, suddenly a party that has failed historically over and over looked like a juicy option for the 🐏🐑🐏🐑
Starmer is a Davos puppet. He represents an unelected body that wants to depopulate the world so they can have it for themselves while saying he is a public servant. His cynicism is incredible.
What's clear is that the goal from the main two parties is about power and their agenda. I genuinely don't believe these people, whether Tory or Labour actually care about the electorate and what they think. And that should concern all of us.
The most cynical general election I can remember. Completely undeserved victory by Starmer. While I'm angry with the Tories for causing people to elect him, I'm also very worried about the damage this socialist regime is about to unleash on us. They have no intention of leaving with a majority this size and undoubtedly about to give the vote to 16 year-olds.
This will probably go down like a lead balloon here but I think Starmer actually needs more support at this point. It's easier for him to cave to the demands of leftists now that he is in power. His opinion might change like our weather, but despite the reasons he has genuinely been trying to clear up the Corbyn mess and many of the leftists were angry enough to elect the Greens. If he can be consistent for some time, then the likes of Cooper, Reeves, Streeting, and even Lammy won't be too radical. It's the pressure the leftists put on him that we have to worry about now.
@@Woodzta I doubt many of the green party voters are necessarily Labour. My guess is the overwhelming number of them will be young, middle class and educated beyond their intelligence. When they get a mortgagae they will probably change their vote.
And massive overcrowding in schools. Initially it’ll just be a small influx of pupils from private schools whose parents who can’t pay the higher fees. However, with many pupils leaving the system some private schools will then close and Labour will not only loose some of the manic money from VAT on school fees, which it’s relying on to fund education, but it’ll have 100,000s more children to educate in the State system. It’ll be a total mess. NB I don’t have kids so have no skin in this game, but I can see how this little magic money tree will start to dry up and trigger greater problems.
People are at breaking point, no matter how hard we work we can't afford to keep a roof over our heads, our teeth are falling out, trying to even see a doctor is pointless, we know we will be cold this winter. If this isn't fixed pretty quick people will go beserk.
We should cynically support it. Australians are so blind to the things that are happening. But a muslim party straight up saying "We want sharia law" is hard to ignore. Things will have to get worse before they get better.
The only thing I've discovered is that I'm surrounded by idiots. If there's a war, I will NOT fight for this country. I'm not represented and I'm actively discriminated against.
I have, up to now considered that, despite its flaws 'first past the post' is a viable way to elect a govt. But with this election there is really no longer a case for it. I recant now and a more viable system has to be considered.
A lot of Labour MPs are letting this go to their head. The electorate ultimately chose to unelect the Tories by any means necessary and even Starmer himself is trying to be humble and proactive with the results. Bragging to our face about how good you are without delivering will see you follow the same fate the Tories just did.
Jess Philips asking the men "Oh you just don't like a woman standing up for herself." shows SUCH a blatant avoidance of the issue cause you know what Jess? That is correct! They view you as a second class citizen and far far worse, which you allowed to happen!
I'd say encouraged rather than allowed. Labour has courted the Muslim vote for years, didn't matter what any of them did or said, long as the tick goes in the right box. Most obvious example, promoting postal voting and objecting to producing ID at the the poll booth.
Rishi didn't even try to appeal to them. He didn't lead an election campaign to become PM, he just has no idea what to say to remain PM. He's a technocrat, he has no political vision, he got parachuted in because Truss rocked the boat.
@@Treblaineit’s baffling as to why he called the election right now with only half baked policies and moths earlier than necessary. Perhaps he just could t be bothered anymore.
Adding a trillion to the national debt derailed any plans they had in 2019. The energy crisis was another external shock that also cost a fortune. The same problems that Western Europe and the US and beyond that has destabilized governments. Uncontrolled mass immigration was indefensible for a Conservative party though and for the last couple of years, they have looked like they didn't want to be in government anymore.
Someone in the new parliament should stand up at the beginning of every day and remind Starmer that 2/3, the vast majority, of the voting public did not want Labour
I love Spiked and I like |Ella, but I agree with JHB mate, I'm sorry but if you don't vote I don't care what you think, Please engage, just go and spoil it, but engage. Voting is a privilege not a right.
Because he's a working class man who speaks a bit too coarsely for Ella's bourgeois tastes. Lee is an ex miner wheras I doubt Ella has ever done a real day's work in her life.
@@BenHall289 No, it wasn't. There were aggressive and in some cases violent protests with politicians like Maxine Waters egging them on, saying people should get in the faces of Trump voters. And Gore contested the results in 2000. How quickly everyone forgets these things.
The problem is the left Remoaners past peak Trump before Trump did. They took democracy denial to a new heights which is one reason Labour got trounced in 2019. And Starmer was part of that.
Welcome analysis but from an Edinburgh perspective the SNP have continued to bang on endlessly about independence, especially after they rejected Kate Forbes's gradualism by the narrowest of margins. That has contributed to Labour's resurgence as the fantasy politics of Indyref 2 struck a less and less harmonious chord with the Scottish electorate.
Let's be honest - they've also done a terrible job of running the country. Having their leader and treasurer arrested isn't a good look either. Finally, the SNP never wanted independence. They just wanted to leave an historic union where they enjoy a disproportionate voice for a union where they would have had no voice. English haters in essence.
Funniest thing I heard during this campaign was that Labour will be at the mercy of "the w o k e" and Islam. They underestimate Starmers ability to flip flop. Don't think anything will change. "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." - The Who.
As sad as it's gonna be labour getting in number 10 is both a blessing & a curse. The reason it's a blessing is it's gonna wake up labour voters to the chaos labour will cause The curse is we're also gonna suffer because of it, personally the way it's going with Stalmer loving Khans "congestion & ULEZ" we're all gonna get hit with it.
No taxation without representation, very apt for July 4th. 14% of this country, tax payers are hugely under represented. I expect a tax rebate in compensation!
Housing has become unaffordable, and the borders are, and will remain, open to the world. No building in the Greenbelts. What's left? Legalise and encourage people's drug addictions, allow the cartels free passage in, and you get the tent encampments as in the major Leftist governed American Cities.
If you really want to hear an anti-democratic technocrat, listen to Alistair Campbell views on the electoral system. Key features of where he would like to go is: 1. reducing the voting age to 16, perhaps lower; 2. weighting votes on a points system. A 16 year old's vote would be worth four points, a 75 year old's one point; 3. Non-elected Ministers, having non-MPs or members of the Lords appointed to Ministerial positions. This would see "experts" appointed to ministerial positions.
I expect the lack of direction and the number of wildly different views in the Parliamentary Labour party will come back to bite them on the behind very quickly. With no clear direction and no mandate on specific policies, the Labour party will factionalise and start infighting before this year is out. in 1997 Blair had key policies that his own party understood. Education, Internet roll-out and the end of cronyism (cash for questions etc). The public voted for those policies and his own party understood them. This meant that the fracturing of ideas took a term and a half to materialise. It actually took the Iraq war to really start the divides. This time the Labour Whip is going to be herding cats, none of whom have the same ideas or convictions as one another. I fully expect deep divisions to be apparent and challenging Starmer before this year is out.
There is apathy towards politics, I believe the result implies. We have had a few economic set backs, and people are tired, they don’t think politicians know what to do.
Rather tellingly the exit polls (for just labour voters) said only 5% of them liked policy from starmer. As suggested by people from all sides 49 % said the ousting of tories was the main reason for voting. Hilarious, childish and just terrible for democracy. ("a shallow victory" as i see so many mention.) labour are probably going to go through ministers like toilet paper.
Yeah, even in Kier Starmer's own seat his popularity was cut in half, from 36k in 2019 to only 18k votes this election. The Labour PM in a seat in London can barely command a 10k lead in votes, the PM's seat doesn't qualify as a safe seat. He held on a with only 20% of the electorate in his own constituency voting for him. If that isn't a clear sign that there's a political vacuum in the country I don't know what is. Even in North London, Kier Starmer gets by only on a lack of opposition.
That a Conservative government would think it appropriate to use the phrase "Leveling Up", says all you need to know about this self inflicted disaster. You might as well vote Labour, if the Conservatives think they can make things better by instigating top down policies.
@@PeterPeach21 good point, she was not great on this. Thanks for pointing out, but I still hold that most of her perspectives are good. Even on this matter, she was trying to defend free speech, I agree that if you suppress it, it doesn’t stop the ideas/thought. The issue is one stage back that if a country allows an open immigration policy to those that hate the country that’s welcoming them, that’s the real issue. Stop the cause not the symptom.
All sounds a bit remainer if I am being honest. We have a system, no matter how flawed that we accept when we cast our vote. Labour won under that system and will have five years as a government. How hollow that all seems to some makes absolutely no difference.
I think that within 12-18 months, the hard left of the party will topple Starmer. Rayner will take over, there will be huge amounts of bickering and infighting, then the government will collapse and a snap election will be called. Then Reform can pick up the pieces.
I don't like Stamer but hope he does well because he is our prime minister. I agree with your criticism of political parties not recognizing underlying beliefs, concerns, and desires of the public. I also hope that there is more debate on difficult issues and more of an attempt to gain consensus in the best interest of the country. It is crucial for our democracy that differing viewpoints are respected and considered in decision-making processes. In the end, what matters most is the well-being and progress of our nation as a whole. Let us strive for unity and cooperation in the face of challenges.
The fundamental problem is that Starmer's definition of 'doing well' is not the same as yours. Labour have been tasked with speeding up the implementation of Agenda 21. They don't give a damn about you, and neither do any of the politicans associated with groups like the WEF. Please wake up.
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us, only sky Imagine all the people Livin' for today Ah Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Livin' life in peace You You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world
Ah yes. Gordon Brown. The man who sold Britain's gold reserves to line the pockets of his friends. If only the British electorate did not have such short memories.......
Hopefully Britain will now become more aligned with the idea of world government. It is the only way ahead. International conflict can become a thing of the past.
What counts is seats. You weren't whining when Bowwis got an 80 seat majority on way less than half the popular vote. As for gaming the system, you play by the rules as they are, not how you wish they were; Hilary Clinton made that mistake.
Starmer's support is indeed "wide but shallow", and consequently he'll have significant difficulties very quickly. He'd be wise to recognise that, but he probably won't.
