The STEM Degree SCAM: Why I Quit Coding. 

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hahah such a good sales man

😹😹😹I get the irony

F__k ur training.

Should I take down my only fans for the FAANG company interviews?

Of course we will need doctors, engineers, ..., but we'll need far fewer of them (in percentage terms) due to technological advancements such as AI. What TL is *really* saying is that, for the median person, learning to code as anything other than a hobby is likely to be a waste of time. I agree with him.

​@@jcantonelli1In fact, we don't need engineers right now especially in my country

@@winio437 your country is probably horrible then

@@willrl4297 Fact. Only programmers, doctors, directors and politicians and their people in government companies live at a good level. There are currently more than 43,000 people in my country whose net annual income is about $250k. Most millionaires have wealth from $1-5million and that's how the minimum 70%. Only 2% earn about 3.5k€ per month. About $1,818.65 is earned by barely 15% of the working population. Health care is non-existent, education at a poor level, universities and polytechnics close the rankings from the bottom. The population of my country is 38 million people.

lol.

@@JH-bb8in all jobs at that point are at risk.

@@JH-bb8in Imagine thinking the introduction of a LLM is equivalent to A.I. taking jobs soon.

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@@JH-bb8in AI is a complete space man meme. It is fucking embarrassing how you all think its gonna become the fucking gynoids. ITS JUST SPELL CHECK.

Cus the 100k or so people whos even gonna watch this video not going into tech is gonna such a big difference.

Agreed The worst thing that could have ever happened is the code becoming popular.. i am hating the "code influecers", "code vloggers" and courses sellers since 2017..

@@gatoloco1873blender and 3d influencers

Yeah lol, I loved being a fucking nerd back in the day. Now everyone wants to be a nerd. Disgusting

More competition lower pay over time.

The advancement of technology, particularly Integrated Development Environments (IDEs) and Large Language Models (LLMs), is significantly streamlining the coding process. This efficiency boost is a double-edged sword for programmers: while it enhances current coders' productivity, it also leads to a reduced need for their numbers. Reflecting on my own experience, I recall taking a JavaScript class in 2011 at a community college where we used Notepad for coding. Back then, a single error would render the entire code non-functional, and the absence of error indicators meant spending lots of time meticulously examining each line to find the mistake. Contrast that with today's IDEs, which immediately highlight errors with red squiggly lines, the change is remarkable. This evolution in coding tools is a clear indication of how technology is reshaping the landscape of coding. TechLead's warning is a fair one.

Typical grifter channel.....

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Hypocrite And now he's "quitting" to squeeze out a few extra bucks from his grift before making his "comeback" a week later.

One of us is not paying attention. He is not offering a coding course. He is offering an interview course to help people do better in programmer interviews. Is that a coding course? Semantics perhaps?

it has to do with getting a job with coding when he tells you to not get it in the first place. @@physicsguybrian

Damn! So True!

You can’t say he’s wrong tho

What happend to Joma ?

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you hit the nail on the head bro

Granted he's also putting wear and tear on his body 3x more compared to you... Unless you're a code monkey with a sedentary lifestyle

he probably contributes more to society than you, sounds fair to me

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Based

@@NicoDa1So great that it never gets shipped.

Well

Different environment

>boomer grandma becomes successful buying a new house every year on a teacher's salary >tells you not to try it You see my point? It's generational. Coding worked for Gen-X and older Millenials, for Gen Z it's something else. For Gen Alpha it'll likely be something else again, etc.

@@keykey7959 they climbed the wall and now want to remove the ladder.

True but there is surely some element of truth,

I agree with the hollywood part but it is no different than what a fresh cs grad has to go thru too.

basically its just hard to find job these days my friend even told me that media degrees arent that any much better, basically you take the degree to gain connections and if you fail to do that you basically failed the degree

Is hard really?

@@mrguiltyfool I have experience in both fields and can absolutely tell you that is NOT TRUE. Unless you get to the top...there is NO REAL MONEY in a media degree...especially if you are behind the camera. A fresh CS has a job that pays enough for him to afford an apartment and live on his own(outside of the coasts I guess). Your first job with a media degree ANYWHERE....hope you like roommates or don't mind living in a borderline shithole. Starting salary is not equal in these fields. Not at all.

@@jlemon22 when i graduated with a cs degree in canada most of us either have to live in a slum or with parents

Yep it's like trying to win at the game of Monopoly but you get to start playing after the others have been playing for hours and already bought all the properties. Impossible to win.

Land is limited. Space in the web is not. And there are tons of things left to be build. We don't even have androids yet, only useless web apps.

Low IQ take. We obviously haven't built enough. There are entire planets out there to take, galaxies to conquer. The real problem is the general intelligence of the population has gone down, and so we are at a state of technological stagnation. Either AI advances tech for us to unlock more space to conquer or we implement Eugene X.

@HyperionStudiosDE Space on the web has some value but its limitless space also devalues it vs finite real estate and resources in the real world. You're competing for the attention and time of humans that prefer to live in the real world over online. That will always keep real world resources and assets far more valuable.

this comment should be pinned... to the world to see it!

Eastern Europe doesn't have hordes of anything. Look at the population size.

​@@HyperionStudiosDE at least compared with the west, but if countries allow immigrants, it's because they can pay them less and benefit economically from them, never forget that.

@@dasaavawarsuploads1143 I've worked at a software company that employed over a hundred Romanians. They all lived in Cluj. No point bringing them into the country because then they would get similiar wages. It wouldn't make sense for them either because they can live really well in their own country being employed by a western country.

@@HyperionStudiosDE This has been my experience aswel but I must say that the quality of foreign workers is generally not even close to the western standards. I'm not sure about other fields, but in IT, the hordes of talent aren't that talented.

@@noty69 talented enough to do the automaton work. For research etc Big Tech Companies only requires the top 1% from top universities across Asia or the West.

Everyone can't be a celebrity. Not everyone got the talent/drive for it.

Lol this is what happens when society is infested with highly logical thinking. We see life in inaccurate black and white terms. The idea of celebrity lies not in exclusivity but in function, meaning the role the "celebrity" plays in their fan's life. So everyone can be a celebrity if they're able to find a target audience. That's it. It's sad how much scarcity (which then leads to pointless gatekeeping) runs our world.

if you are naturrally inclined to be a scientist or engineer then go for it. What techlead is warning that if you go to STEM (or IT) dont expect the big money. For that you have to be brilliant.

@@CreazyPeazy You not only need be brilliant you also need one or more lucky breaks which basically boils down to who you know who can open the doors along the way. Without mentors or rich friends and family you won't get all that far up the ladder. The fact is that you can be as dumb as GWB and make it if you have the right connections.

Talk with the people in your university, build connection

​@@beblessed1030Very funny but not realistic

Not only that but there are so many good resources out there. This video is terrible. This guy is a hater and probably got fired from his job, came home and made this video.

thats the society we're living in now

A society of influencers in which half the people influence the other half.

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You already are living in a society like that 🤷‍♂

I just saw a video where they asked a bunch of teenagers what they want to be when they grow up and almost all of them said influencers. To say that I am genuinely concerned for the future is an understatement because I am TERRIFIED

You see! Making people depressed is quite a successful business model.

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everything in life is dredging

i'm good at nothing, guess i'll kms

@@thequarrymen58 if you can't have it joke about it. haha

Forget what you like. Make money doing what you're good at, and spend the other 128 hours of each week doing what you LOVE. This obsession with having to get paid for things you love is ridiculous. There aren't enough lovable jobs out there. Most of us enjoy coding, but most coding jobs are boring. Do it anyway, because it pays.

past experience during a bubble gives him value. But, sadly, that bubble doesn't exist anymore.

He doesn't need to work for a living anymore since he got rich through coding, as an entrepreneur and as an employee.

​@@LoveFactorySweatShopand yet still sells online courses

TechLead is 200iq man... We often see videos that hype up the STEM world, but that portrayal is far from reality. In truth, working in STEM involves long hours dedicated to solving complex problems. A significant challenge comes from foreign competitors who, driven by a strong desire for this lifestyle, are willing to work tirelessly and often possess a more extensive knowledge base. This scenario is quite common. Many people enter the industry with expectations shaped by what they see on TikTok. If they are so easily influenced by media, then perhaps a career in that field would be more suitable for them.

@@dvngnt Yes... courses to every numpty who can fork out a small chunk of change for them. what was he saying about oversaturation again?

So true. I wonder if the Knuth series of books are even part of the education that a software engineer major will get today.

It depends if your degree is actually useless for your job. You can get a job on many things you learn in computer science it's just that most people choose to be web devs. For example you can get a job in computer vision, data science, chips, robotics, game engine development etc. It's just that the jobs may not be common depending on where you live. They are also far harder and usually pay about the same as using React, but on the upside you don't have to use React.

@@robertmontgomery3892 Honestly, Knuth's books are terrible. The decision to use assembly language is just completely disqualifying. There's a reason that every other book on the planet uses high-level languages to teach high-level concepts.

@@beeble2003 How old are you? I'm 74 and when the books in question were first published in 1968 high level languages were in very limited use. The only high level language at the time in commercial use was COBOL. Knuth was a pioneer and those of us who started our careers when computers were just staring to be adopted greatly appreciated what his books had to offer. So please keep the time line in question before you criticize Knuth's books.

@@robertmontgomery3892 I'm in my mid-40s and I lecture data structures and algorithms at a UK university. The timeline is that there were plenty of alternatives available to Knuth in the mid-1960s when he was writing his first edition. FORTRAN was released in the late 1950s, and there were more than 40 compilers available for it by the mid '60s -- including one written by Donald Knuth. ALGOL and Lisp were a decade old by the time Knuth's first volume was published. PL/1 and Simula were both developed in the early 1960s. These were all well known within the computer science community, and any one of them, except maybe Lisp, would have been a better choice than MIX. If you want to argue that those languages weren't widely used, fine (though FORTRAN was clearly in wide use), but they were used infinitely more than Knuth's made-up assembly language. Even if one feels that MIX was a reasonable choice in the late 1960s, Knuth's decision to rewrite the books in the late 1990s in a different made-up assembly language is just indefensible. By that time, there were any number of alternatives, any of which would have been better. C, for example. Knuth's books have their value -- I've cited his analyses in my published papers -- but they're a lousy way to learn algorithms.

Noo everyone just should go into social media and the world will be fine

@@dwaynezilla You just re-phrased what he wrote. If someone claims to understand healthcare + STEM + business, then he is mediocre at all three. You can still be social media star, though. Even as mediocre student.

Future is not anything except what you want it to be for yourself. Everything else is someone else's problem.

Do you recommend cs + engineering or cs + business

German university?? You can basically learn for free in 5 freakin years dude ! And you really think those 5 yrs are invaluable?

@@sohanlamichhane9272just an fyi invaluable means extremely useful and I’m uncertain if you intended to use this word.

Ancient Rome is an L civilization

WELL SAID

Honestly, I think a nursing degree is better than a comp sci degree

​@@mrguiltyfoolabsolutely not. ask the nurses working during covid while tech was working from home. they're both important for society

What’s so bad about not working at all?

@@dvngnt My sister is a doc working during covid and is pretty chill. In Alberta, Canada, a nurse with like 5-6 yrs exp is pretty much guarantee 100k cad/ yr. In my place software dev tops out at 150k and a lot of dev does not break the 6 figures glass ceiling in Canada. My buddy she was a senior dev in Morgan Stanley in Quebec she makes 90k cad. Also the work from home stuff is mostly over in Canada. I recently got a new software dev gig it is 5 days in office. Most are now hybrid. Remote tech jobs are becoming extremely competitive

Does the restaurant generate the equivalent of an average salary?

How can you not be rich being a restaurant owner? Either your restaurant doesn't make much sales or you pay too many employees.

​@@McFlashhrestaurants have thin margins and high turnover

You're only 35. Do you have kids?

Bs

Not everybody wants “job security” dude. Freedom is where it’s at. Can get your own health insurance.

Yeah because how many Joaquin Phoenixs, Denzel Washingtons, DiCaprios and so on exist? Yeah right. And now how many "CGI experts" are there? You and your little Lady have no clue about the world and what actually brings the attention and money. The top level is getting paid for WHO they are and not WHAT they do.

women are professional complainers. all of them. it pays well.

Should unionize

Without CGI Marvel&DC not exist

not gained from universities though.

do you even have a job in the field? if so consider yourself extremely lucky.

@@KEKW-lc4xi Yes, but not in the US. Where I live you can easily find a job as a dev but you don't get crazy wages like in the US.

Cus the 100k or so people whos even gonna watch this video not going into tech is gonna such a big difference.

@@HyperionStudiosDEThe dude in the video is talking about the point of view of people inside the US, and you can clearly tell. Hes saying imigrants are fighting for jobs in the US, and no where else. Your viewpoint is from outside of the US, so you dont even know whats going on in terms of the tech jobs here

@@HyperionStudiosDE all these people are homeless in silicon valley and think thats the whole world of tech.

Newcomer to programming, full-time for 5 years. 15+ years experience in video production. My personal experience has been the opposite. I've already close to doubled what I've made as a video editor with 10+ years of experience and get hit up on linked in constantly and I don't even have a github. Never happened in video production despite having a vastly more expansive portfolio. Perhaps jobs related to stem are no longer being handed out willy nilly I guess....but the demand for the field is still there. Passion aside...purely when it comes to job market/salary...I would never tell someone to choose a media degree over a STEM one. AI is coming for STEM sure....but media is ABSOLUTELY on the front lines at the current moment. ChatGPT can churn out a usable video script in seconds....it can't write an expansive code base for an expansive customer requirements that constantly change...yet. So when AI gets good enough to take away stem jobs en masse....that means media jobs are already gone. Not everyone can be lucrative influencer.

He's a depressed fear mongerer earning money by generating low effort content about his thoughts on IT and selling a course on IT job interviews.

The economy in america is not good either

@@winio437 but it is the first economy in the world, and dollar is international currency.

@@Captal_de_Bush Not for long, brics becoming too strong for your currency

We are the only country that can print all the money we need. Right now, we are booming because of the 8 trillion dollars approved in the Biden administration for infrastructure, green energy, chip manufacturing and covid relief. Other countries would have had their currency devalued.

oh my god yeah that's bad news 🤣

butyeah i think... whenever i discover something like that i should not- we should not get dissappointed!

Leadership skills are just as important. You can memorize every LeetCode problem and still not get a job because you can't use STAR method.

College is where people make debt.

Also, you can be charismatic, good looking, great at acting and still fail in hollywood and not make it, there's a massive element of luck and networking. If you are intelligent and work hard you can make it in STEM (luck is a lot less)

Indeed. There so many famous actors make it because the right roles fell upon them. A lot of luck. Science and engineering as a creative career ever expands. I don’t see any lack of fun doing them.

If "times are hard for STEM grads right now," then where are the jobs? You realize how absurd this sounds? Economy booming again inflation under control, unemployment back to really low rates. Market hitting highs. So who's going to wake up to the fact that the oligarchs have STOLEN American prosperity?

Do you still work in biotech? Engineers in pharma should have been making decent money, maybe 120k-150k+/yr. There should actually be significant advancements in the next decade in biotech. I’m surprised techlead didn’t talk about Alphafold. Even Meta is playing with AI for biotech.

​@@wenbo2611Sterile-injectible drug manufacturing and blood fractionation industries. Not newage-fancy bio-tech, although, still products that have saved lives. That's not the type of pay I've seen in middle America. (Circumstantial) Stuck to the area due to the wife's licensing and family ties, but, working as a process / validation engineer my progression was from 67k - 100k. Capped at 100k at the senior level with an expectation to work 60-hrs a week (sometimes more), and still leading a team / projects. I should have made a niche in automation / instrumentation. I've got a buddy who does and makes around 150k but has significantly more travel, no wife, no kids, etc. It's decent pay, but compared to my other buddy who owns his own HVAC business and is pulling 200k with commercial installs, I'm jelly. There's better options than going to college and accruing all the debt. Especially if you're going for bio or chem. Some operators I know only make $20-30/hr and the position "requires" a STEM degree. You're taught on the job and it's monotonous work though so the degree is a gatekeeping mechanism. Business owner / entrepreneur = write-offs and assets. Compared to compound interest and being owned by a corporation it's something to consider. Just my two cents.

The vast majority of finance bros and business majors will not out-earn engineers, there is data on this. Stop comparing average engineers with crème of the crop finance bros

@@dream1430 The average engineer makes 3.2 million throughout their career. The average MBA recipient makes 3 million. I've met far more business / finance types who have out earned STEM types. I'm not talking Wallstreetbets. I'm talking entrepreneurs / accountants / business owners / commission-based sales / franchise owners. Stop comparing the average engineer salary to silicone valley salaries. Those numbers aren't across the board for all forms of engineering. Also, it's more than just the average earned. It's the likelihood to maintain a job. There were 65k new engineering roles last year with about double that in fresh grads in the US alone. Factor in global competition and you're in for a hard time. (As tech lead states) Supply and demand. This isn't the pre-2000s job market where you have in-house engineers who stay at the same place for 50-years. My experience is companies are leaning into short term contract work for projects. I've worked with contractors from France, Germany, Italy, and all sorts of places. Check forums related to engineering and you'll see tons of layoffs occurred during 2023 from some of the industries biggest players. Self-employment and self-sufficiency is the play of the future. Get a side hustle going.

Exited the chemistry rat race. Biology and chemistry are very oversaturated, and even if you do eventually develop advanced, useful, niche skills no one wants to pay for that. Engineers do better...if they can get a job. From what I've heard from engineers I might it's brutal to work your way into any actual engineering position.

If you're not certain, don't do it. your company will probably only pay if you get a high grade. it's a lot of time and potentially not worth the reward. Get some professional cert instead maybe, have the company pay for the cert test.

If you already have a computer science degree, do not go for a masters unless you want to teach, which really means a PhD. Do a different masters, like an MBA. At some point, most workers become managers and an MBA can help.

What are you doing now?

that's awesome to hear lol

@@dnangel4277 got into ecom. started with dropshipping. now starting my first "real" brand

@@Sectarian. build your skillset up so people want to work with you. build a high leverage skill (something that is in demand and easily scalable). i get lots of offers from people wanting to work with me, but 9.9 times out of 10 the person doesn't have any value they can offer - so bringing them in is just increasing my workload (training the person) for little benefit on my end.

you just said a bunch of nothing brother. what is your business?@@Somethingsomethinglol

Absolutely true. Government and employers used to justify this with the claims there were not enough skilled workers in the US, but this lie has now been laid bare. 2023 had literally hundreds of thousands of tech layoffs yet they STILL keep importing H-1B, OPT, H-4 EAD, etc. at the same pace.

​@@Mister_Garibaldi I don't think the lie is that we lack skilled labor, I think the lie is that the Indians are skilled, on average whenever I see videos from Indian youtubers I speed it up and try to skip to the important part because I expect their videos to be low quality time wasters, and my indian coworkers were not too different. So in essence, we are replacing a skilled workforce with an unskilled workforce and using the unskilled as an excuse to pay shitty wages.

@@kirito3082 Not wrong about the skills.

@@kirito3082 If I click on a tutorial and the voiceover has an Indian accent I close the video and find a different tutorial.

@@kirito3082 exactly, I just wonder who invented the idea that Indians are more skilled than westerns. It is quite the opposite.

Hes so negative

SkillShare has some cool stuff about that.

true

He’s creative unlike us.

to balance our positivity@@user-zf1lh3rj7x

excellent choice!!

why did they prefer him over you? is he better than you?

work harder and stop whining honestly. You sound like my 7 month old son.

@@sentient1640 there is no better. meritocracy is capitalist delusions

because in france, hiring a freelancer from india or asia is cheaper due high rate taxe as well @@sentient1640

@@sentient1640 yeah, he is better than him, for the money he can leave in their pocket not touched...

I hate those rich, overpaid, lead-slinging a-wholefood holes too lol, but just you wait until kids learn to solder in VoTech again. Ppl forget how common it was for families to build their own house from scratch in commie cuntrees.

>I retired in my 40s when I inherited a bunch of money. Man, I gotta try that.

@@Descriptor413 Yeah it's nice. Those people that say there's no life after retirement are wrong.

A million total or per year?

Born on 3rd base and cheering himself on when he made it home gg ez

npc comment

Being a doctor is aweful.

@@ivansmirnoff669 Totally. Good science isn't just about money, but true vocation with long-term vision.

Why do you say especially biology? I'm curious

You should look at the outcomes for those who graduate with a degree in STEM or Business/Economics vs. those who do not pursue education after highschool. It’s quite shocking honestly, getting a degree in something meaningful at a local state college while commuting, seems to be one of the greatest investments you could make in your life I haven’t watched the video yet but I really doubt TechLead would dispute the argument that getting a degree is the best option for most people, especially mediocre people. So I have to disagree with you, getting a degree in this age is a great idea. College has A LOT of problems, but very few people are intelligent enough and of great enough character to self educate to a comparable extent, so it remains a good idea

@@dream1430 You should never look at outcomes for the average if you aren't average yourself. Data is only useful for bureaucrats.

hahaha

A degree is a glorified "someone vouched for ya!". Useless but still kinda necessary if you're not super talented

It’s free to enroll in my country but not sure if I would pay for one

He did nail it. It's a shame the like to dislike ratio is basically evenly split on this video.

I'm a data engineer now but I'm lucky (new grad but with 1 year of work experience and 2 internships while in school) and its just because it's not an entry level role. The skills required are really aimed for senior level. Just look into other roles like data analysts or SWE's.

try analytical engineering roles.

How you gonna be a program manager when you haven't managed a thing but your hair cut since college lol.

@@ShannonBarber78 So don't spend anything you earn, to be upper class? What's the point then?

sukadik@@ultrasaiyan4283

You should get a CS degree, and then become a millionaire code influencer.

shoudl i start every video with how much money i make a year@@samy7013

Transition into what? Im a civil engineer thinking kf transtiotionig into tech lol

Superficial point of view. The status you make can be destroyed over a night, the stem knowledge can't.

@@jora5483 actually it can with a traumatic brain injury.

@@addchannelname9021 Wear helmet.

​@@jora5483 Well, the era when our parents were young didn't pass over night. Otherwise the STEM would still be as relevant.

Programmers don't have jobs? They do where I live.

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What is it your looking to do now? Interested out of curiosity cuz I might be getting into that field in the future.

I am a registered nurse now.

@@shanghaichica very cool

another four years, or how many years?@@shanghaichica

​@@shanghaichica me to, study nursing

Is the usual why can't we get experience ppl. Spend the last decades underpaying ppl in the field so they left

The bubble popped

Yes, bro, Bitcoin - really. It's a remarkable innovation (a globally-decentralized, permissionless, immutable ledger) as well as the best performing asset in modern history. The network will be 15 years old in two days (January 3rd)!

The best comment here

this is poignant

yeah ask them to make a new app that solves a real problem, and they'll still need a BA.

He's not wrong, though. Kid can't even figure out if he should continue learning after ONE course. Being a good engineer is about self-motivation and the ability to never stop learning. If you have to write an email questioning some random guy if you should continue learning or not, then you're not going to make it.

@@iyasugames The Stem push is mostly for wage suppression. Just look at my place, Canada where software dev and engineers don't make good money

AI cant make good art. In the future, art will be more useful than anything else.

Hey buddy. I work in mining and can be an asset. Do you have any way of contacting you?

In my country I'm yet to find a networking job since May lol

System administrator?

@@saadhabashneh5587what country?

@@cranes2726 Jordan 😔

Most network/system admin stuff will be done by AI in the next 5-10 years

How true, and if you mention " replacement" by Asians in the title it could be flagged by YT with a warning below it about conspiracy theories.

lots of brazilians are studying CS nowadays aiming for remote work for the US, timezone of Brazil is very similar with the US and the culture still western minded, It's cheap, they speak a good english and the quality of engineers is high, I mean with USD100k/year in Brazil you are upper middle class and can afford a good house, good car, this kind of lifestyle was only possible for doctors and lawyers in the past, so It will only become worse for the US engineers tbh

yep.

Computer Science isn't math-heavy.

well, frontend dev is boring asf.

are you crazy? coding is the best part of programming. i guess it just depends on what your interests are.

@@HyperionStudiosDE What? CS is very maths heavy - including discrete maths, calculus, linear algebra, statistics etc.

And the one time you had to use that you could just look it up instead of recite it from memory xD