The Story Of Leyland Titan T1080... So Far. 

You're welcome. I'm sure she will

Goodness that was cheap. Yes the rental tyres and in some cases VAT can certainly bump up the price.

I like the DMS but I have to agree that the Titans have the edge.

The 229s

No problem

Thanks Steve.

Thanks very much. It's a very very long term restoration but she's very muhh loved.

Thanks. They're cracking motors.

@@JakeSCOC Hope not!

The Titan was an integrally built vehicle with subframes which was probably overly complicated by the requirements of London Transport. As a result it was expensive and limited in appeal. The Olympian was a much simplified version of the Titan which had a separate chassis and was thus suitable to be bodied by the bodywork of the operator's choice. This made it cheaper with a wider appeal and could also be bodied as a low height vehicle. There are a few other differences too but that's the main one.

@@JakeSCOC did not know london was so particular. Thanks for that. 👍

I passed my test at BX and worked at PM. I always think it's strange that I probably walked past 1080 and didn't even notice her 😂

That would have been the prototype which looked different to the final product.

@@jamesfrench7299 B15 was Leyland project B15 such B20, remember those horrible DMS' with vents at the rear? Wasn't keen on any of these.

@@ROCKINGMAN DMS heralded the modern shape of the Ts and MCW Metropolitan Scanias and in turn the Metrobus. Those vents were for a purpose I forget. Only the last batches received the Delorean style chutes.

Oh yes. Going to be a fair few years yet...

Yes T1080 which now joins T553 in our little collection.

@@JakeSCOC They really are a modern equivalent of a Routemaster. First 250 were built at AEC Southall and Park Royal in London, they ended up practically exclusive to LT, were of integral construction and had an electro pneumatic fluid flywheel gearbox with auto mode. At least for me, they were iconic and as much of an attraction to visiting London as the RM-Ls in the 1990s. PS they even built a rear engine prototype Routemaster. The Titan really became it's spiritual production model!

@@jamesfrench7299 Yes it's a shame they didn't become more widespread. I personally prefer a Titan to an Oly if I'm honest. Our other one former 553 is going to be kept as a single door bus. She's currently having and interior makeover too to make her a bit more NBC!

@@JakeSCOC I heard from an ex driver they were a really well built and designed product and a delight to drive with good power. The Olympian was simpler but more backwards in many ways. The Titan was really technically advanced but were pretty sophisticated which made maintenance finnicky. LT clearly were used to them and it helped they bought so many and had the staff with knew how to look after them. PS another thing to back up my "argument" over it being an RM successor was air over hydraulic brakes!

No I doubt it. I have too many already

@@JakeSCOC not to worry, me and a bunch of enthusiasts might try to save it from Wealsden for restoration, though it may end up in Northamptonshire

BX in later years.

Was actually one of the better titans I drove at bx

@@deanrampling9532 I didn't drive any of the BX ones, only the PM ones and the occasional NX one. Took my test at BX though so I probably saw this old girl...

When done she'll be restored as a London Central bus with both both doors.

@@JakeSCOC that’s really excellent to hear and look forward to seeing it when it’s done. I used to catch these in South East London on the route to Catford and around Lewisham back in the day.

@@dennisblake2498 I learned to drive buses on these - the London Central ones - so have a big soft spot for them. She's currently waiting in queue for the restoration to start. She will be a big job but it's a few years off.

I was so glad to see the front door excavated. Thank goodness the centre door wasn't filled in as some got with subsequent owners. Cannot understand the UK's penchant for single door buses.

A poorly Gardner though. But certainly not dead.

@@JakeSCOC heads off, block off. And take a few con rods out from the top.

It is weird that they chose to put in Leyland engines in the DMS instead of the normally chosen Gardner, then fit Gardners to all the Leyland Titans. My theory is that because of all the trouble they had with the Daimler F Fleetlines they chose to go with the Gardner option with the Titans hoping that would ensure reliability.

No as an operstor. It just doesn't work like that. The basic design here, is a Leyland Olympian. That is its designation. It can have differing engines for a specific job or area, as well as different bodywork too. It happens with cars too with different engine types offered in differing cars. That can be down to a specific reason relating to the terrain the vehicle is mostly going to encounter, or even emission levels not being met by the original engine for a specific country. It is still the car that the purchaser wanted, as it is mostly what the vehicle gives the potential owner that is most important, not necessarily the name on a block under the bonnet. Same for a bus.

The Japanese manufacturers believe the engine is the heart of the product hence why they have steadfastly stuck with their own engines despite struggling to meet emission requirements for years. They just won't entertain the thought of sticking in a foreign made engine Iin their trucks.

You sound like the kind of person that drives an electric car? Firstly these aren't run day in and day out. I think this particular one was last run last year at some point. Secondly, if everything old was sent to the scrap yard, how would we teach the next generation about the transport of yesterday? You'll probably answer by a book or video, but nothing beats seeing things in the flesh.

@@JakeSCOC yes point taken

The exhaust was clear. What else do you want?

The loony greens conveniently forget the environmental impact of making new Vs reusing existing. It's called whole lifecycle analysis, it's generally ignored by politicians for financial gain, IE ,taxation on the new product.

@@tangerinedream7211 100%. I personally don't see the newer stuff lasting this long.