Watching that Lie detector made me and my Dad Crack up, he watched WWF through the Golden era and he said it was the funniest thing hed seen in Wrestling
Wwe was so stacked in 2003. Insane how many top stars were gone within a year. And then some people blame solely Eddie on why the house shows weren’t drawing
yes but the difference is that Andre the Giant played both characters whereas Mr America was played by two different wrestlers, or if you believe the rumours, played by THREE wrestlers on rotation to keep fans guessing
Mr America and Hulk should have teamed with Dusty Rhodes and the Midnight Rider against Mick Foley, Mankind, Cactus Jack and Dude Love at Survivor Series.
Isn’t it crazy that Hogan and Piper were back at center stage in 2003?! At that time, late 40s-early 50s felt so old, but now a lot of top stars are in that range!
They also were in the spotlight for 30 years too. Most of the current guys started late or were in the indies for a while. Like AJ Styles still feels young even though he's going on 47
The Hulk v Vince streetfight was amazing at WM19. Watched it so many times, especially Vince coming up from the apron lookinh hilariously demonic with a led pipe
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Did you actually find the old console and game. That's amazing! I have all the old N64 WCW games on my N64 Emulator. I'm just adding 'No Mercy' to the games folder now. I hope it's as good as the WCW Vs NWO game. I still play that one all the time.
I liked the gimmick at the time. I remember being disappointed when it was abruptly ended. I agree with Hogan, it could have went on for longer and I can see his point about jobbing out at MSG.
Vince was one of the best things. Usually a boss shoving himself into angles sucks the momentum out of anything it touches (The Authority), but Vince had the charisma and conviction in his delivery, that it worked. He also didn't mind selling and making himself look goofy to further an angle. Whatever he's done IRL, there's no denying on TV he was absolute gold.
Not to mention the bumps he took over the years when he became Mr. MacMahon. Not many promoters could possibly claim that they'd take such risks to further angles and make others look good when smacking down the boss, but Vinnie Mac definitely made that work too.
I couldn't agree more, Vince knew how to sell an act despite being a perpetual heel. If the audience was entertained at his expense then he knew he could turn them into paying audience. The Authority couldn't (and wouldn't) do such a thing.
@@chaosgreybloodVinnie Mac gave it as good as he got, especially in the latter part of the Monday Night Wars where WWF/WWE had a real chance of going under courtesy of WCW.
@anthonyterry8162 we really don't know how Vince sold the gimmick initially to him. Vince can sell you the world while pulling the rug not long afterwards, which is probably what happened here.
I don't think it was ever a secret McMahon was a pervert. It just legally and culturally caught up with him in this more modern era that doesn't tolerate it as much. Even there, there's also been a shift on what perversions are tolerated, and I'll leave it at that, since YT can be very hawkish in protecting such things. But, you know, what are they going to do in another culture shift that no longer tolerates protecting these perversions either?
I saw Mr. America's run on a channel that runs Pro Wrestling old shows on Twitch and the whole chat kept "who is this guy? It's cool that Hogan let him use his Real American theme" and things like that. That was a great moment
@@rafaelmauricio8000 Well, Mr. McMahon somewhat had us convinced until Mr. America took the polygraph, thereby concluding that he was in fact not the Hulkster.
I just asked my 60 year old mum that knows nothing about wrestling. "Why did Hulk Hogan quit the WWF?" She said "because he got old!?" Not quite mum. "I said have you ever Heard of Mr America?" She blanked me and left the room.
I know people didn't like it, but I thought the Mr. America gimmick was fun, I dont think it would lasted years, but I think it could last a year or 2. Its kinda like the Ezekiel/Kevin Owen storyline that they kinda ended too soon (IMO) it was very entertaining seeing Vince go crazy (kinda like how KO was going crazy). I was watching Smackdown weekly to see all the crazy things Vince was going to do to prove it wasn't Hogan, and then out of no where it just ended.
I thought it was hilarious. The hair and mustache popping out of the mask, the speech pattern, the shirt-ripping...it was over-the-top and corny in a way that only WWE could pull off. And it all built up to the street fight between Vince and Hogan, which was a great match for what it’s worth.
It's a shame after the Mr. America storyline, we didn't see Doink Hogan. Also, this just made me remember back in the 80s, Hulk Hogan wore a mask as part of The Machines stable w/ Lou Albano as manager.
I remember being VERY entertained by this whole angle. It was almost as if Hogan was poking fun at himself, and McMahon wasn't laughing because he was the one who pushed all the over-the-top stuff back in the day. I'm a Hulkamaniac for life. Flaws and all. I also liked how it set up Stephanie as a bit of a babyface considering her history with her Dad and his *ahem* side women. I did hate Sable getting involved out of nowhere and poor Zach being jobbed out at every opportunity. All in all, I was sad to see the angle end so abruptly and wish it had lasted longer! Otherwise, classic WWE antics all the way!
Funny thing is I think Hogan pulled the mask up at every show after they went off the air. I was at the Greensboro Coliseum show, and after he got hit in the back with the chair by Piper he later got back in the ring, gave VInce the bird ashe pulled up his mask, and hyped the crowd in his hulkster way. I think the pulling the mask up in NY was just the easy story end for Vince.
Thinking back, it would have been even more hilarious if Hogan had come out to "American Made" while portraying Mr. America, instead of "Real American".
Hulk Hogan should have realized that his best days are behind him, the fact he didn't like that he was booked to lose, proves that he is in business for himself.
Would you have wanted Hogan to have been floundering around like Drew McIntyre is rn? I understand Hogan wasn't peak Hogan, but to think WWE didn't poorly use talents at any time is false. Hogan saw what appeared to be that writing on the wall and he was probably right. I don't really blame him for calling an audible and leaving instead of basically going through what Drew and others have gone through.
@@walker1984 you bring a good point, however his popularity, can generate a lot of money for himself and the WWE. So what if he was booked to lose, him just being on TV could give him a huge pay check.
I loved this storyline when it was playing out. The Mr. America gimmick was hilarious. Hogan played it to perfection so I was sad to hear this was his reason for quitting. I was just really hyped to see Hogan, Piper and McMahon doing crazy stuff every week.
As a kid at the time this whole story aired. I was laughing and loving it because of the legend status of Hogan and Piper appearing on tv. I was always a fan of goofy skits too. So it was enjoyable for me. I still laugh at it too. Specially the lie detector test 😂😂😂😂
This is one of my favorite Hogan eras, largely because his “that doesn’t work for me brother” infinite life glitches weren’t as powerful. They treated him as any other (still a lister) and had him lose more than he ever had in the previous 20 years. He hated it SO MUCH. It was also something NEW with hogan, something he only briefly did once from 96-99 outside of 1983.
I noticed that even in his match with Kurt angle, hogan actually reached the ropes so technically, Angle should’ve let Hogan go…lmao, the Hulkster thought of everything
I don't think he hated it, he knew his place by then and was fine with it as long as it got him his paydays and he was putting over people who he was fine with. He put over Lesnar better than anyone.
@@RG-lr4pkalways love a good nuclear level hot take. I’m saying it was good he was treated as just another “a lister”, like The Rock, and stone Cold, and Kurt Angle, and Lesner, and whoever else was big in the company at the time. He was still booked astronomically strong, he just wasn’t allowed to kill 18 months of storytelling because he didn’t want to lose a match because Vince would never put up with that like Eric Bischoff would
@@jbanks979 Kurt told a few stories of Hogan playing games, like no selling when he was supposed to get knocked off the ring apron. Another time, Vince actually told Kurt to get in Hogans face because he knew that despite any objections Hogan may have about something, Hogan wasn’t going to try anything with a shooter like Angle
I feel like this was around when I stopped watching wrestling. I started working the nights it came on so I never got to watch anymore. I never knew how this storyline ended. Thank you!
I actually really like Mr. America. Don't think it would've lasted much longer but if they just had a big payoff match at one of the big 4 PPVs and then put Hogan back in the Red & Yellow then all would've been fine.
Yeah I feel like Vince should have pulled the Trigger on a Triple threat at summerslam with Terry Boulder vs Hulk Hogan vs Super Destroyer and Mr America. Vince failed by not booking this I think even he knows that
I seem to remember when Andre and Hogan returned from Japan in the mid-80's, they too adapted a masked gimmick. They joined the legendary "Machines" team as "Hulk Machine" and "Giant Machine" (forgive me if I screw up details, I'm writing this from memory). And I seem to remember that the whole storyline was that the heels feuding with the machines were convinced this was Hulk and Andre but they continued to deny it. This seems like a big callback, or at least an homage to that storyline, which I have no doubt, Vince was also involved in, at least creating it.
The original storyline just involved Andre as Giant Machine and Ax From Demolition as Super Machine. The Machines was designed to give Andre time off to film the movie the Princess Bride. So they had about five or six other guys put on masks including Hogan and become machines for a night and be the partner of the Super Machine.
Mr. America is not Hulk Hogan. He looked up to Hogan as a kid, and he trained, took his vitamins and said his prayers just like his childhood hero did. And he ended up looking a lot like him. 😆 I hope he's doing well nowadays. 😆
I thought you were trolling on your comment, but I just looked it up and I cannot believe Netflix is going to be showing RAW starting next year. And it's odd too since Netflix International gets everything, but Netflix US only seems to be getting raw.
WWE went about this storyline all wrong. Vince should have been the only one who didn’t know/believe Mr. America was Hogan. Like everyone would try to convince him while he doubled down.
I was at that MSG show when Mr America finally unmasked and it was literally like the end of any classic 1980s wrestlemania .... the music, confetti, lights, and hogan even ended up with a giant flag to wave around in the ring. Total nostalgia, total love in that MSG crowd 🫡🇺🇲
So... The Hulk... I mean, Mr. America.... he had to lose one match during the course of a feud, in a time period where nobody was overly protected or going on massive undefeated runs, and he doesn't even have to lose clean thanks to outside distractions, and this is enough for him to say "Nope. Clearly they don't have anything for me, brother. I'm gonna take my ball and go home." Hulk was so fixated on never losing that he clearly had no faith in the process
I’m not sure the gimmick lasts for years but I definitely am curious how this would’ve resolved. A guess I have is eventually Mr America would be in a match against Mr McMahon to reinstate Hogan. Win or lose that would end the whole thing as he would reveal the identity.
Hogan clearly didn't like the way WWE was focusing on building up Brock Lesnar at the time. And Hogan didn't like losing in such a way in that match. Hogan took off his mask on his own and probably didn't even plan to do so at the start of the day. Hogan always took wrestling and winning personally - even bring The Ultimate Warrior to WCW, just so Hogan could get a win over The Ultimate Warrior and even the score. Hogan even had it in his contract that he could never lose in a clean loss. Hogan's contract made it clear the only way he could lose is if there was outside interference of some kind. I suspect Mr. America was something Vince wanted to go with for quite a while. The proof of this is the action figures that were released. But Hogan then forced Vince to kill off the Mr. America character by taking his mask off.
I showed my friend the lie detector test and he found it hilarious. Turns out, he can do a pretty decent Vince impression. We laugh our butts off at Vince during the 2002-2003 period.
Maybe it's because it was just recently covered in Reliving the War, but this reminds me of the Blue Blazer, just playing up the obvious secret identity more.
It's the type of humor perfect for RTruth. He could have been a fan of Mr. America who claimed watching him in Mexico. It's a shame Truth was in TNA winning world titles
This was really really good! I'd forgotten about all of this. I didn't realize how much fun I was having with this at the time. As far as Hilk Hogan's tarnished reputation. I don't want to remember my childhood as anything but awesome, so I look at them as two different people. Terry Bolea - POS. Hulk Hogan - BMF. The character of Hulk Hogan was/is awesome!
“ That doesn’t work for me brother”… 🤦♂️ I know they mentioned Dusty, but When I first got into wrestling, WCW came to our local high school in NE Indians and Flying Brian wrestled under a mask as well. He kept pulling up the mask & showing his face and everyone was screaming in excitement. I didn’t quite get it but it turned me into a fan.
I see Sean O’Hare and I know he’s gone but it was also ashamed at the time that WWE dropped the ball on him. I remember laughing during that lie detector segment with Mr. America and McMahon. Underrated segment
I saw some of Hogans tapes from Japan 🇯🇵 & I was shocked that he can really wrestle. I wonder why he never used those moves in The U.S ? Also I wonder why he never tried Shaving 🪒 his mustache or cutting his hair to try something new ?? .. it seems every wrestler 🤼♀️ has done this at some point to evolve.. I never thought I Would see Brock Lesser with a beard & ponytail…
In the 1980s, Hogan was so over that he didn't need to do much in the ring. Those crowds at the time would have cheered him if he had just posed in the ring. His and the WWF's thought was why put his body at risk doing that stuff when he could do very little in the ring and get away with it.
That's a double edged sword. Hogan being the cornerstone of the wrestling landscape we see today. On one hand wrestling nowadays sucks. On the other wrestling from 1996 to 2008 was cool minus Cena.
They did over the "Hulk" name as the film came out that year, and I always got the impression that Mr. america gimmick was a dig at Marvel I believe this dispute has been ongoing since the 80s
I'm assuming because of some vague similarity to Captain America? 1. Marvel simply wasnt big enough at the time to sue 2. It will still be hard to claim trademarks over the title "America" and the colour scheme of red, white and blue.
You wouldn't of gotten much milage from Red and Yellow hogan at this time. It gave him an excuse to do all his old stuff without seeming stale. Its kind of genius.
