+daniel mcdermott You don't accidentally become successful. What they did not anticipate was becoming a device for a multinational corporation. That was a system shock.
Most bands have a momentum of creativity, a swinging pendulum whereby they just have a void of creativity and they have this before they are famous. Nirvana however, didn't really have this method of generating good songs, because they were struck half way through when they were still learning and became too famous. Most guitarists can play guitar really well when they are famous...look at Kurt, he was still learning.
One of the most profound things said in this video is by Dave Grohl. He talks about the simplicity of the music and says “it’s like children’s music, songs you remember for the rest of your life”. Brilliant
@America First Patriot hit the nail on the head. They had a very melodic sense. Like Black Sabbath meets the Beatles or something. Super melodic with an undeniable heaviness.
There was a series by Chilly Gonzales deconstructing super catchy hit songs that were using melodies from nursery rhymes. And then remember - there is that clip of Dave Grohl saying he only writes hits, like based off of bumper stickers "Life's a b*tch but keep on truckin'!" He's brilliant tho no joke.
I'm starting to notice that you comment on just about every nirvana video. I don't give a fuck how much you love the band and how they changed your life. Move the fuck on.
I turned 20 in 1990. I feel pretty fortunate that I was in my early 20’s when this was all going down. After the great run of the 80’s, it felt like music was starting to die for a minute, and then Nirvana came out of nowhere and changed it all. You can’t emphasize enough how much these guys kicked down the door and overthrew the industry. I wouldn’t trade those years for anything.
How much did rock change after smells like teen sprit debuted? I would feel like 80s rock: Guns N’ Roses, AC/DC, Bon Jovi were all ambushed to face this abrupt surge of punk/grunge and nirvana alone
I was born in 1990 and Nirvana was one of the bands that got me through my adolescence. Just timelessly relatable tracks. Probably why hair metal was so short-lived; no one could relate to what they were singing about.
I was born in 88 and my ex was born in 73. I would get genuinely envious of him for being in his 20s in the 90s. I have strong memories of early Foo Fighters on Much Music and at age 9 I gravitated toward it but I missed way too cool stuff because I was too young. I mean I fought with him once about how he got to live his best years in the best time.
Dave’s voice sounded so young and light-hearted. He was so fresh-faced🥰. Decades later, his voice is grittier but so have his experiences been gritty. He has weathered the sunny days and storms with wit.
I actually been so lucky to have been on a Nirvana concert, and i mean it was the best experience in my life. Nirvana was not like other bands, and Kurt got everybody singing along and go crazy with him. Damn, i miss those days!
I love Nirvana too, but it was the best experience in your life? Really? In you whole life, it was the super best thing you have ever ever experienced? 🤔
OH yeah. I’m 59, classic rock fan too. But the 80’s were awful. There were a few artists here and there, very few. I thought the same thing when I first heard Nirvana. We are so DUE for something like that now. Please...
@@dreemsnake1 bleach released in 1989 was the best album of the decade!! To me definitely the best album they did..but the other 2 are masterpieces as well
Kurt was so ahead of his time in every sense. His music is still being listened to like it just came out yesterday. His style of clothing is more popular than ever. He was the original hipster!
He wasn't doing anything musically the Pixies and Husker Du hadn't been doing for years. The Replacements were sporting the Flannel when they played SNL half a decade before. Nirvana were only original and ahead of their time to the clueless who hadn't ever heard anything outside the most mainstream radio. And even radio had already been cracked by REM and the Cure. Jane's Addiction was on MTV and Lollopalooza had been mega well before Nevermind hit.
@@davidlindsay9564 but you miss one major fact..I love all those guys too so dont take this wrong..nobody but NOBODY, had cobains reach or his genuine persona , no airs and no fake in those guys period,
@@vastbetrayal6607 His persona was hardly genuine, he was hustling wanting to be a rock star as much as anybody until it came and hit him so fast and he realized he didn't like it. No airs? His insecurity was so high he 'took the piss' as the brits say and would make himself look stupid to get thru stuff, which is genuine in the sense of how a 16 year old makes goofy faces when taking photos. He wasn't being genuine, but he thought he was, so thats a form of genuine. I remember seeing them on some ABC late night show, and they asked him about influences and he waffled on about chipmunk punk, when THAT would have been the time to talk about the Melvins or whatever. and the whole time he had his shirt pulled over his head looking like a goof. He was totally concerned and pretentious as he wanted to be accepted by the Calvin Johnson fan types. He had the "reach" because he lucked out and was in the right place at the right time, at the time and because he pulled the trigger at the right time. If Vedder had done it he'd have been bigger. ATBH the world would be better, Kurt would have been like Neil Young instead of Hendrix. If All Apologies was any indication of where he was headed, and I think it was, the best stuff was ahead. That's the real tragedy. I don't know if you are of the school of thinking that he had more of a hand in writing all of 'live through this' than we will ever know. but that's also a good indicator. You don't go from Hole's first album to that one, (and nothing of note since) ...unless you make your husband write if for you and let you take credit. Don't get me wrong I like them, and wish I could like them more, but overplay, (not their fault) soured me on them, and the way the media focused on them and alternative went from being a undefinable term for the good stuff, suddenly became synonymous with grunge, and a lot of grunge is just bad metal with flannel and no hairspray. I'd hae been happier and Kurt would've been happier if they hadn't gotten above selling out 2000 seat venues. one thing it taught me, and you will see it eventually, that the legend is created by the media after the fact. Hendrix was opening for the Monkees, not playing stadiums. Nirvana tour for in utero wasn't playing big venues and wasn't selling out, and Sublime? Outside of Southern Cal they were unknown, even among music heads they were a "yeah I've heard of them" type band, but they weren't what people act like now. Honestly I wish Jeff Buckley would get some of that treatment.
@@davidlindsay9564 I agree with some of your statement ,I love PJ but would they have equaled at right time? If they could have they would have .for the most part the rest is a matter of opinion ,I think he earned the place in history he holds ,you apparently do not,you made some valid points but they are a matter of perception not necessarily factual.
Its such a relatable story. All these fucks and jocks (nothing against sports btw) and 'popular kids' treated him and his friends like shit, society treated them like children, and all of a sudden when they become a monetary device and famous everybody now loves them. And its so understandable why this would grow to torture Kurt so, because all of the fame and fortune and pedestal placing is in direct opposition to his music, and his philosopy/feeling on humanity and life in general. He is one of the few artists who cared so much about the integrity of what he believed and created that even after all the money and fame in the world came to him, he still cared more about his art. Its just an incredible story. Much respect to the man and the music.
Certainly seemed more tortured by the fact that he wasn’t feeling as inspired by music as he used to be, like he said in his note. When that’s all that makes you happy, it’s pretty devastating to experience.
Thats how the machine operates. Unfortunately when you become the source of making millions and millions of dollars, you find yourself surrounded by these leeches. Of course you have the fake cult like followers who honestly don't care for your unique sound or talent but just desperately want to be a part of whats trending. Now with social media this is magnified to a whole different level these days. That being said, Courtney Love was the absolute worst person Kurt could have ever alligned himself with. She is a sociopath. She manipulated Kurt and used him to achieve her success. Possibly Kurt could be alive today had she never got her claws sunk into him so deeply. What an evil, self centered and soulless creature Courtney is.
Same. I was 14 when I saw Smells Like Teen Spirit on MTV. Prior to that I had only been exposed to music on the radio and wasn't allowed to watch MTV. I was just flipping through the channels and my parents weren't nearby so I started to watch MTV for a few minutes hoping I wouldnt get caught. I happened to come across the video just as it started. I had this visceral reaction to the song I can't even explain properly. I was in absolute awe and by the end I was in tears because I was so overwhelmed by emotions.
40:57 “I owe everything to Nirvana. But I can't let that overshadow the future. For the first few years, I didn't even want to talk about Nirvana. Partly because it was just painful to talk about losing Kurt but also because I wanted the Foo Fighters to mean something.” -Dave Grohl; Foo Fighters and Nirvana “I’d rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not.” -Kurt Cobain; Nirvana
Seeing Krist bald only 3 years after Kurt's death really makes me understand what a shock was this loss for him .. i mean, it's of course like this, but seeing the impact on him really puts things into perspective)
I am very thankful my dad made a deal with me. If i went with him to Pink Floyd, he would take me to see any band I wanted to!! Well I picked Nirvana at my home town of Houston, Texas. It was on December 6, 1993, just a few months before his sad death. If mental health was taken as serious back then, as it is in 2018-2020 maybe Kurt would still be here. I still remember the day, I found out of his passing, neither of my parents questioned me not going to school the rest of that week!! To see him 4 months earlier, and to simply be gone for ever, this teen didn’t understand why? I wasn’t even old enough to drive, but remembered the sadness it brought me. When I see Frances Bean Cobain, I get goosebumps over how much she looks like Kurt, and her voice is so good!! Kurt would be proud!!
It’s incredible. So many years after their big success and they are still a reference. Years will go on and they will be always there, in the rock history
36:50 - Chris Novoselic did a great job of summing up why it happened. I think sometimes, we image that because Kurt was massively talented, funny, interesting, attractive and popular that regular problems like Relationships,Drug Addiction and depression didnt affect him like it does others.
That is so true Funny to see thousands of people here saying Kurt could not have committed suicide cos he was so popular, and rich, and ..... They all forgot about how it must've been in his own head...
Really agree. But it's hard to accept it from aside, it's easy to judge of course. For example, after music, since I first saw Kurt Cobain photos in my early teens (now I am 41), beside that he looked really nice and beautiful (yeah, a great looking guy actually) the thing Which impressed me the most is the simplicity and this "just being a human under the sun".. way. This is what I appreciate and fan mostly of him as personality-humam
Knifepoint i am somewhat older and remember hearing Kurt passed felt sad for his loss he had experienced Kurt God bless you and your daughter 👣always listen for each other in the air waves You will remember each other No worries 💥
@Owen Terzic Awesome that you enjoy them. My opinion is different since t's all subjective, but to me, they are awful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_CwukWOU0Ro.html
@@DrLuke49 What like Rush and Van Halen would never of made it without the greedy Gene? Of course they would, talent always finds a way. What Simmons saw in Rush and Halen was a chance to make a couple of million for himself. The guy is a total slime ball, all about the money and never was about the fans, and Kiss are and always were massively overrated.
Yes and no, it's been out there before that as that's what the movie is based on, there is a lot that went out as fact at the time that were later to be prove lies and misdirection by LOve.
Not sure, I just wish the cops investaged the scence as if it were a complete death investagation and not just labeled it a sucide. They didn't even test his hands for Gun Shot Residue, which would have been a clear indicator as to whether he even fired the gun. There's much more insane stuff, like some of Love's actions that were just covered up. Like her filing the police report and pertending to be Kurt's mom.
There is many many many underground bands that he would appreciate. Theres more music out in the world than the stuff thats fed to you through the radio
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Kelly Van Den Beemt he would probably kill himself if he heard today's music.
@@saulgoodman6431 man I know you were asking him but bleach has steadily grown to be my favorite nirvana record. It’s just so fucking raw and packed with angst. When I think of punk rock, I imagine the gritty sound of bleach. Shit man, school, negative creep, and paper cuts are heavier than most of the heavy metal I’ve heard in my life. But the award for heaviest song ever made in my book is milk it. Fuck that song is unbelievable.
I still remember little 7 year old me with this tape, my dad bought it for my uncle and he hated it and gave it to me. I loved it. I learned what goosebumps were. Amazed me. All these years later still just as magical, and I now work for that uncle! He tells me I look like Kurt a lot and I take it as a compliment.. He's my hero! I'm lucky to even be in the same ballpark :]
As a gay musician in the Seattle music scene during the “grunge era”, having a band making unified statements against homophobia, misogyny, racism and sexism was incredibly powerful and meaningful. It truly was a seismic departure from the LA glam rock establishment, and to me, was the fissure that defined the difference between baby boomers and Gen X.
I don’t care that your gay be happy punk rock and grunge was never about who or what sex you fuck o don’t claim I like pussy who cares not me no one AC/DC started in a small town. Your fathers went to war so you can be out thank them.
Man, I was so resentful when they killed metal, but I look back and I think this was so much more important music for me, and my generation, to listen to, it was awesome that it did break through. I listen to Nevermind today and I think, "This is the best music for 50 years!". This music changed the scene, changed the way we looked at music, changed us!! Thank God for Nirvana!!! Every once in a while the system needs to right itself, and that's what these three "kids" did! RIP Kurt Cobain!!
You can hear Kurt's frustration with the music industry and society in general and the way things are categorized and displayed and he's absolutely right with everything he was saying... makes me feel like his life was taken not by choice but by force
With heroin it is like that. One minute you are fine, next depressed and hating your life. Some are lucky and live because they fight the addiction. Most die through accident or by doing it on purpose. You can hear how depressed he is in the words he writes in his songs. He killed himself because addicts can't always see how to live life. How do I know, I was one and was lucky, my ex partner wasn't and took his life, when everything was going well for him. The same for a lot of my friends and associates. There was 2 of us that got clean and lived our lives, the rest killed themselves and a few overdosed. That is heroin unfortunately 😔
As a boomer and playing old rock and singer/songwriter music for decades before Nirvannah, I found their music a breath of fresh air and a new way of writing and structuring songs. Just when I thought I knew the formula....
> had a VHS tape of Nirvana Live Tonight Sold Oit in the 90s. I watched it so many times the film started to fade! Great compilation of rare backstage videos and interviews before the internet was a thing! I was completely mesmerized and in awe of Kurt, and no single person has ever held my attention like Kurt could. He is one of a kind talent. Once in a lifetime. We will never see a person take over the world of music like Kurt did ever again. I LOVE YOU KURT. REST IN PEACE. I HOPE TO MEET U IN ANOTHER LIFE. I HAVE BEEN WAITING ALL THIS TIME. YOU WERE MY IDOL. MY REASON FOR LIVING. YOU HAD ME AT HELLO!!!!
I can only imagine man. At 22 I hope my generation can bring back that power. And I really think we could. I mean we’re getting fucked over by our government even harder now and the feeling of alienation is still very much there. One of these days someone will be able to put those feelings into a piece of music that will really mean something. We just gotta try
exactly, when Teen Spirit hit, it was like cool tune, sounds like Pixies meets Husker Du, but to those of us in the know it wasn't exactly a revolutionary thing.
@@davidlindsay9564 It's like Husker Du, Replacements, Faith No More found the door, Nirvana and Pearl Jam kicked it down, and Green Day and Rancid ran through
I was 9 years old when I was introduced to nirvana. Kurt cobain and his music saved my life soooo many times. He death still to this day has a profound affect in my life. 29 years later im still listening. Nirvana forever changed my life ♡
Devin Luoto the 90s came back and it’s leaving again. You missed it. We had Title Fight, Superheaven, Basement, Nothing, Touché Amore, Citizen. I’m sorry if you’re just finding out
Devin Luoto Thats like saying the MAFIA took over but forgetting they were criminal underworld (underground). A long way from the good guys. Goodfells are fake fraudsters as are weakling posers on stage on heroin. As with MAFIA they are going nowhere but down. The higher they get with the more media attention the lower they desend. As with the MAFIA underworld they didn't all survive. So didn't take over.
My first ever live show I did was an acoustic version of “Where did you Sleep Last Night” and killed it. Had the best crowd reaction of the night, felt amazing. Kurt and Nirvana have always been a huge influence on me.
Whether or not he was suicidal (which he may have been) doesn't deviate from the factual events that went down from the actual police investigation or lack there of. The investigation was one of the sloppiest ever recorded. It's like a building burning from a fire and once it burns down its labeled faulty wiring right on the spot. There's plenty of evidence to reopen the case and have it done properly. But because Kurt was a polarizing figure to the masses it's almost accepted as a suicide by those who have the power to label it as such and most likely won't be reopened ever.
Hi Sergio! Great analogy. I still see a glimmer of hope for the case being reopened, maybe the 25th anniv. And if not reopened by the Seattle police, then perhaps charges brought against the actual people involved, for covering up Kurt's death if nothing else. Soaked in Bleach is a good counterpoint to Montage of Heck, gets Tom Grant's researches right out there. And even though it's getting old, there's still the books by Wallace and Halperin, esp Love & Death The Murder of Kurt Cobain. It took 40 years for Marianne Faithfull to come forward and tell that her boyfriend gave Jim Morrison a fatal dose of heroin. 40 years! but it finally came out. I'll probably be dead by the time truth triumphs and gives Kurt justice and dignity once again, but in my bones I know the official explanation is not right. It still surprises me that even though we may all be fans, you're right that the fanbase is polarized into the two camps of Yes he did/No he didn't. Someday..... Keep the faith. :>)
I have no clue but the images and narrative of the time has been wiped clean from the internet. Feel like there was stuff happened around Polly and the sick trafficking of kids
Yeah, it sucks, but Kurt forfeited his right to tell his side of the story when he chose to kill himself and leave his wife and baby behind. So you get what you get.
I know that a lot of parts of living like right now is easier than life even a decade ago, but I wish I could have been around for the grunge era. It seems like such a free time for raw expression in music.
Kurt just wanted to make great music. He never wanted fame or fortune. Unfortunately his addiction consumed him. I know first hand how addiction can destroy you and consume you. Kurt will forever be missed.
The hypocrisy of Courtney Love is hilarious. She claims she didn't know what she could have done to help him "Stay"? Well, how about not banging all the other Grunge cats??? That may have been a bit of a start.
J Oliver Hazley According to Tom Grant the private investigator who worked for Courtney around the time Kurt died, she was fucking Billy Corgan like two weeks or so after Kurt died. Not sure if that's true or not but I wouldn't be surprised.
lasoogneypubes And before too, in London. Go back and look at Corgans tour dates in 94. She was in London that same time, that's were she got the ruffies.
I picked up a guitar for the first time when these guys came around, my first few cds were Pearl Jam, Nirvana and STP. During that age i was discovering my early teen years, flannel shirts dominated the schoolyard for years because of these guys! Landmark poster-band. Thanks Kurt!.
I do remember hearing about his death on the radio driving home from college. It was the first weird experience I had with death. I felt selfish because I thought about the fact that now I would never see them. I missed my chance to see them play because I thought I would have another chance. I also thought that is it. No more records. In utero is it. That made me really uneasy. I was so looking forward to where this band could have gone.
I remember that day in 94. My first initial reaction was anger, then I was depressed for like an eternity. How do you start over, you know. Thank god for Dave Grohl and Foo Fighters.
Yeah buuuut he didn't really cut his teeth in Seattle, musically. That'd be Nashville, and going to London is what made him a star. When Chaz Chandler mentioned taking Jimi to London, the first thing Jimi asked was, "Do you think I could meet Eric Clapton?" So...unrelated, but, Clapton IS God.
Xiolablu3 - Can't let the Beatles and Nirvana be insulted by calling them a "boy band", sorry. The Beatles had a manager to direct their tours and their PR. But they were very much their own individual, very skilled musicians, not manufactured by anyone, and battled media misrepresentations of who they were, had their own label, not in obeisance to any record label moguls. The Beatles played small clubs and grew their own fan base, just like Nirvana did. "The Beatles wrote singles in the beginning" doesn't even make sense. Musicians write songs, and play them; that's what they do as a band. Nirvana used the Beatles as part of their role models of how to write good songs. They were, both groups, true musicians who were part of a musical revolution, and did indeed change the world as we know it.You need to look up the definition of "boy band". One Direction, 98 Degrees, etc. Urban Dictionary has esp interesting and varied ideas of what it is, which includes the members not being true musicians, maybe not even playing instruments. M-W and Dictionary.com are close in agreement: M-W: a pop group composed of attractive young men whose music and image are *designed* to appeal primarily to a young teenage audience. DICTIONARY.COM - a trendy pop group of young male singers, each member typically *cultivating an image* so as to appeal to a preteen audience.
The Beatles were the most successful band of all time. There's no comparison. Nirvana were only like the equivalent of Black Sabbtath but for "grunge" I like Nirvana, but The Beatles wrote some of the greatest songs of all time.
great doco on the legends of grunge nirvana, the best grunge band ever. underdogs and cool rebels. we all miss kurt a classic 3 piece rock band. really rock died with nirvana. kurt was the last great rocker left.
Heroin is comparable with a big lump of bluetack on a revolving vinyl record. You want to enjoy the record but the shit is in the way. It's a sedative shutting down the excitement centers and dragging the user down. Likly Mr. Kobane died due in part to heroin. Once on it the depressed brain no longer has the ability to care as much or fuction other than sleep. It's a potentially deadly fatal drug. I think there is a possibillity Kurt would not have commited suicide had he stayed away from heroin or other illegal drugs. His emotions were results of the drugs influence and not true emotions of a normal healthy person. But as a young person he likely suffered as he thought his thoughts were his. Such as his depression. Rather than thinking he was depressed due to a drug or suicidal due to a drug (chemical imbalanced thoughts) he thought the thoughts were his. As if thinking he was the problem or the problems were normal. It's like being in a box but the thoughts think there is no way out. So death becomes a desired release. But it's the drug. Not the person. The drug dragging the person lower and lower. Too low. But being young the person can not work that out. Can not work it out as the drug prevents the user finding a solution or the way out of the box he is climbing in too.
vernonclassic Well, y'know what? No, I wouldn't have wanted to hang out with him. For one thing, I don't like hanging with drug addicts. For another, I don't hang out with people who try to get me punched in the face. I was bartending/cocktailing at a sleazy dive in his hometown, and we had live music 6 nights a week. He liked to get people to fight, which he did this particular night, and I walked up just as the first punch got swung, it BARELY missed me. Also, he stole a tent right out of the yard of my former insurance agent. Fuck him.
vernonclassic I'd rather not. I'm busy dealing with unethical adoptions/ICWA, #NoDAPL, and many other issues affecting Native Americans that most people have no idea about, since mainstream media reports on none of it, and what local media is reporting is nothing but lies, and they've not only shut down cell phone service, but taken water tanks and trailers with AC...they don't get it. We've been there and done that for thousands of years...they won't stop us.
vernonclassic Trying to stop yet another oil pipeline. It was set to go through Bismarck, ND, but they were afraid it would be a threat to the citizens and the water, so, hey, let's put it through the reservation, since Natives aren't actually human, right? WHEN it leaks, it will take out the MISSOURI river and it's tributaries. They're still trying to push the Keystone pipeline, and the pipes were already shown to be full of holes. Where that pipeline was set to go (which they're STILL trying to push), it would take out the entire Oglala Aquifer, which serves 1/3rd of the nation's farmland, and you cannot clean up an aquifer. They have no right to go through tribal land, they cannot claim 'eminent domain', as tribes are sovereign nations (think trying to put an oil pipeline through London, telling them it's for the 'good' of the American people, so they have to allow it). Idiots racistly commenting have zero idea what it will do, and that it has nothing to do with "our" oil supplies, as it is set to be shipped to India and China. Many temporary jobs, only about 15 full-time jobs (until the EPA has to come and clean it up). These oil 'booms' also bring with it 'mancamps', and a remote area sees a sudden upsurge in drugs, alcohol, fights, prostitution, sex slavery, sexual assaults, and murder. Native women already have the highest rape statistic in the country, 3 in ten, and this escalates that. We have thousands of cases of missing and murdered Native women (and men) that go unsolved, if they're even ever investigated. There is NOTHING good about these things, except for the handful that make a buck. There are approximately 3000 Natives and supporters in Cannonball, ND right now...heard it on the news? Of course not. But local news is reporting the people are violent, armed, and making pipe bombs...none of which is true.
vernonclassic Yes, technically about 500 feet outside the reservation boundary, though, apparently. The rest has to do with the negative immediate and long term effects. And they are demonizing the Natives.
Dave Grohl was Nirvana's 6th drummer and he joined the band in 1990! Nirvana was originally formed in early 1987 by Kurt, Krist and a guy whose name I don't remember and the band had different names in succession like Skid Row, Pen Cap Chew, Ted Ed Fred, Bliss until finally settling on Nirvana and some of their early songs were from Kurt's former band called Fecal Matter!
That was so weird when they are talking about 'grunge' and they're cutting back and forth between the band standing on the water front in 94 and Charles Cross on the water front many years later. Makes it feel like it's all happening at the same time and place...it gave me chills.
