The Story of the Famicom Disk System 

me when i lie

@@zumbeezya simple search online will show that the comment is in fact true

I noticed it when Bowser and Mario were fighting

Holy fuck😮😮😮

​@@zumbeezyyou don't lie, you just post spam

They're just the most butthurt when people pirate, but on the flip side they have a history of being the easiest to pirate even still today

Best part they had flash carts for super famicom and gameboy

Old attitudes of people wanting to do well for each other Vs modern capitalist attitudes of wanting to charge people for literally everything. The only reason we don't pay to breathe is 2024 is cos we had established that it's normal and free before a capitalist could put a price on it

You're telling me it took you 41 years to find this out?

​@@christophermccutcheon2143Nintendo was a company I always adored as a child but as their advertising and business practices changed over the years I've grown to be disgusted and disappointed, the games are kinda shit, the prices high, they short you and do underhanded shit like not selling chargers with the handhelds. Shit is disgraceful. I won't buy another new Nintendo product.

Super was supposed to have a cd attachment but it never did

@@marioiacolucci it did get a satellite add-on I think

@@HyperrealisticLuigi oh cool my xbox just died on wed smoke started coming out of the left side so i shut off I got rid of it I'm buying another one not worth it I went through 3 original xbox systems I still have super nes n64 and Japan nes family game and my tablet to play games I'm not buying ps5 or the next xbox I'm done with consoles good luck to people who buy ps5 and the next xbox hopefully they dont have a overheating issue also used to have xbox 360 and ps3 but they broke i don't feel the hype anymore like i use too anyway enough said later

@@marioiacolucci when quarantine ends I would take it into a repair shop if I were you

@@HyperrealisticLuigi too late I already got rid of and all the games dropped it off at donation bin I didn't have many games anyway so it's okay

I know this is over a year old, But I Love that concept!

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It is really cool but it does present questions about software preservation.

@@k-leb4671 when there’s thousands of people who dump the code to their computer within moments of buying it on day one, who cares? Backups will always be available thanks to people who are genuinely enthused to preserve & emulate. The biggest problem is trying to buy a game 10 years down the road and it’s been rewritten 4 times over and you never know what you’ll get when shopping 😅

@@k-leb4671 I think it’d be preserved regardless if you and I did it, there’s hundreds of people dumping game files on day one of release, but imagine trying to by a used game these days and just trust the person isn’t selling you a game that’s been written over with something else🥲

Gaming historian : " THANK YOU . "

Same, pretty sure this was intentional

The only time I have experienced switching sides on a FDS game is at the beginning of the game. It uses 1 side to boot the game, the other to play.

One wonders if a FDS with two read heads could have saved the format.

@@HalianTheProtogen No there were other cons to the FDS

Haha, same. I have one, and only knew maybe half of that information.

I also learned alot..lol.

Gaming Historian episodes in a nutshell. Other than the "going to pass" part, at least for me XD.

Yeah, this guy is awesome!

sonicdoesfrontflips I

stop making publishers rush, then.

+Giordan Diodato Lol, so you are blaming gamers for their unfinished bullshit?

That basically sums up Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing prefectly.

Perfectly*

Fuck you, you smug prick. Videogame programmers work over 100 hours a week in some cases. They famously work ungodly hours so smug little picks like you can say dumb shit. Fuck off. Kid Icarus is not the same as a 2019 3D game.

and hella educational! awesome job as always

agree

You are most welcome, thank you for watching :)

+Gaming Historian This is awesome video 😎

@7:10 Except, illegal copies have nothing to do with "piracy." If it was catching on more, there would have been (more) people arround to circumvent it. @12:38 Yeah, what is not in your words is not on your mind. Governments created the concept of copyright and companies ain't question it because it benefits them. @14:05 I personally would not buy this in murika. Japan seems to have better prices.

Until today? Why, what happened today to change your mind?

Available in Philippines? Wow too bad I don't see the FDS in Malaysia back in the day. People still using Famicom until PS1 era.

Yes, this fds was available 1990 - 1993. The Philippines was catching up with the Famicom trend, and few stores copied bootleg games on the disk system at that time. I even had a small business to let gamers play their favorite games. It lasted 3 short years until a competitor set up 3 TV and rented games on cartridges. But I had a few loyal customers playing video games during their P.E. class. Such fun times.

The Filipinos were always catching up with the latest trends around the world.

They were not available anymore.

Yeah, the Satellaview is one of those few rare things we may never quite be able to experience properly without a time machine. I mean, ROM dumps exist of some things but pretty much all the Soundlink streamed soundtracks are currently considered lost to the sands of time (unless Nintendo or St. Giga have copies stashed away somewhere), so unless dumps of those surface, all we have are various dumped ROMs with no music (though most of them have been modified to play regular SPC music because it's better than nothing). Kinda sad in a way.

Redhotsmasher Yeah I've watched a lot of videos on the Satellaview on youtube. I knew of Xband back in the day, but Satellaview is still something that I had no idea ever existed.

This is a great reference, +1

Game chasers!!!!! :D

HAHA

This should become a movie.

I don’t know why but with his long hair he reminds me of Lord Farquiad

lol gettin his blind guardian on.

I actually don't like it that much

*gorgeous*

the 90s called they want their haircut back

6-12 month you are talking Atreyu from The Never Ending Story!!!

Work in progress!

Gregorio Lobato History -> less mass appeal. Retro gaming's audience in general is somewhat limited. Compare that to stuff like Pewdipie, top 10 clickbait lists and channels like Machinima and IGN -> the lowest common denominator.

Gregorio Lobato If I'm not mistaken, basically all retro gaming channels have less than 500K subscribers, AVGN being an exception.

Mynthon JonTron

I think it's because unlike a certain other retro gaming reviewer, he doesn't curse up a storm. Half the fun of AVGN is watching him loose and start screaming.

Because pirating video games in Taiwan is highly prevalent, people mostly buy modded consoles there, except for people who specifically play online. It is cheaper for video game stores to buy consoles, mod them, sell them at a really high price then sell games for the price of the bootleg discs. Long story short, I had a SNES that ran on floppy discs.

Used to see a lot of stores in Hong Kong selling games on floppy disk. There's a list over 500 games in stores , u pick the number assigned to each game. You then come back in half an hour to collect it. It only cost like $20 per game.

I see that in past like disk converted from a cartridge

After that, the console *was* the disc drive.

@@renakunisaki then it failed

@@BillehBobJoe They still made money on the Gamecube despite relatively low sales. Not exactly a failure. And the Wii certainly wasnt a failure

There biggest disk fail was rejecting Sony and going with Phillips at last min. Creating a Titian in the market. PlayStation

@@jordantruax2389 Sony was going to take them to the cleaners harder than a vindictive ex-wife. Sony was already eyeing the console market themselves and were going to try and effectively hijack the SNES from Nintendo (Sony drafted the contract, and snuck in contract clauses that gave all SNES-CD software royalties to Sony and gave Sony the rights to make a standalone SNES-CD console after a year or so, with Nintendo getting almost no royalties from the sales of it). Nintendo's only mistake was not catching on to Sony's game sooner

Phoenix Wright Objection! Nintendo was merely trying to experiment with disk systems

OBJECTION! Nintendo claimed they would only release games for the disk system after its launch! That doesn't sound like an experiment to me, it was clearly intended to become the focus of the Famicom!

Because the innovation came from the skilled engineers and the licensing came from greedy and stupid businessmen.

64KB per side was absolutely pathetic. Even the Commodore VIC-20 in 1980 could store almost 180KB per side on a diskette! That's right, 5.25 inch diskettes are physically larger than these, aren't they? Well, the earliest widespread uses of 3.5 inch diskettes used 400KB per side in the case of the Macintosh, or 800KB for the double density models. The earliest PCs with 3.5 inch diskettes could hold 720KB and later up to 2.88MB on one diskette! Nintendo just engineered it like shit.

@@AiOinc1 Quality over quantity, Nintendo's games were much better.

jjjoshiii gather your stuff. You're fired.

jjjoshiii nice one 👌

(Comedy drums)

Now my parents can't take my Nintendo because they don't know how it works. #Nevergonnagetgroundedfrommynintendo

Ha! Good one!

Dead channel

@@Sociopastor nope

hey verifed guy

Issue was that Sega went nuts with the idea.

amazing

He wanted to try something outside the 'NORM'! HAHAHAhaha ha...eh...I'll see myself out...

+Ben Young looks like you have "Ben" working on your puns

Since I was 'Young.' I try, but they're nothing to 'crow' about ;)

I guess 'raving' a lot about puns

Everyone does

"I can feel Ms. Pauling coursing thru my veins!"

I'm here enjoying the Pokemon TCG Main Duel Theme from 6:02 to 10:02

If you listen to the full ost you will love it

The extra audio channel makes a big difference

It's prolly because you're used to the "original".

No the cart version is MUCH cleaner. I asked 5 of my friends which was which and all had cart over disc going by this videos music

Yea that's not because the hardware is better, they just made it glow amazingly on the cart two years later, basically found a better sound. But the metroid Intro is definitely better taking advantage of the extra channel.

Eddie Actually, the NES is the American version of the Famicom.

I kept thinking to myself, I know this song.... But I couldn't quite get it lol. Thanks

@@fcm101284 same!

Super Wukongo It might sound better however the disk systems sound is richer. Look up the castlevania soundtrack for both two consoles.

I thought the same thing, these two games were perhaps not the best to demonstrate the "enhanced" sound of the FDS. The disk versions sounded like shit.

You mean the Famicom release??????

And sounded more RETRO feeling

My first time hearing the disk system music for Metroid and Legend of Zelda. It sounds cool and all, but to me the cartridge Zelda music will always be the better of the two.

It's a little more complex than that. I actually did a video all about it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J3xuy5YALl0.html

+Wflash00 man i remember when blockbuster introduced nes rentals. Used to rent nes games all the time.

+Wflash00 I remember they did this during the Saturn years.

answer is in the video at 13:00... piracy

yep

Wouldn’t have sold well. It had already been depreciated by the MMC1 mapper that was appearing in cart games. Plus ROM prices kept falling at the time.

That's the same with the gameboy and it was not seen as a problem there either.

@@MrMarinus18 with the Game Boy it made sense.

was thinking the same!! Amazing tune

The Tetris company owns Tetris. It's based in Hawaii.

+ba11ard I thought it originated from Russia plus I'm talking about when everyone and their mother were making their own Tetris

blofish09 Alexey Pajitnov, the guy who made it is from Russia.

+ba11ard oooooooh Sorry I got my information mixed up

blofish09 He did live in Russia at the time. He was working in Moscow.

Looks the Minions daddy.

Wii, 3DS and Switch were all very technologically forward, so I'm not sure why you think Nintendo plays it safe or "lives in the past".

Deric Gregory technologically...forward? All three consoles you mentioned have shit tier Hardware.

huleyn135 - You're being obtuse. I was talking about innovation. The wii's motion controls, the 3DS with dual screens and 3D effect and the Switch with it's dual capabilities were all innovative technologies. Giordan said that Nintendo "lives in the past" and implied that they don't introduce new tech due to past failures. The systems I listed were all "new tech" and very innovative.

Innovation wise, they're great but they hold back hardware power because when they have something that's about as powerful, if not more so, as the competition, it doesn't always do well. Case in point? Gamecube.

who gives a shit about hardware, nintendo makes better games.

VarietyGamer I always knew this would happen. Disks suck.

@@kyle857 This is a weird comment. It's always been known that solid state is faster than mechanical storage. Gaming ran into the same problems that all computing ran into, solid state is fast but expensive and storage is small, mechanical storage is cheap and stores a lot but slow. Right now you can buy magnetic tape that can store 1.6TB for less that $25 on new egg, for the same price for a flash drive(solid state) is 32GB. When games increased in size, they moved to mechanical when the sizes were too large for solid state. Disks were never used because they were cool, and they didn't stop using cartridges because they sucked. It's called technical constraints, they worked with what they had because they didn't have a magic wand to make what they wanted.

Ur a clown { •¿° }

THAT'S WHERE IT'S FROM! THANK YOU SO MUCH!

MCFLY Never learning lessons should have been Segas motto.

But it sounds like Nintendo's add-on was quite successful at its goals, and sold a lot of units. It just turned out ultimately not to be necessary due to falling production costs of cartridges. I don't think that really has anything to do with the failure of the Mega-CD or 32X.

N64 vs Saturn

MCFLY - I love Dreamcast, I have fond memories of Sega Genesis, and I'm not going to bash Sega Saturn, but you know what? You're probably right.

Sega's problem was shelling out more add-ons in an attempt to prolong the Genesis' lifespan even though they had the Saturn near release, which caused fatigue and distrust within its consumers.

What's the song that plays during the final half of the video and during the outro?

thank youuu!

No point when SD cards and external storage accomplish the exact same thing.

isn't that technically piracy?

Giordan Diodato I’m just going off what the video’s saying

There's this cool new invention floating around that makes all of that obsolete: It's called the Internet.

With online distribution the whole concept of rewritable games is also somewhat redundant. If people want to play games on a budget than that is totally possible. The Switch does use SD cards I thought.

AVGN: No

Other then that, awesome video :) thanks bra! You always make interesting stuff

*Disk

from what my friend told me, kun is a way of saying sir/ma'am , as well as chun, chan, and son

+Vincent Walker Kun can be used either as Sir or a few times even Ms, but it is also commonly used as sort of the more masculine version of chan (if a close person is a bit "matcho" or "tough"). Chan is also used with some guys if they aren't so tough and more sensitive. Chan is more common for girls, babys, or even your pet

Helloz World so kun is masculine, chan is feminem,or not manly men?

Nintendo felt it was obsolete when cartridges doubled in memory starting in 1987. Software piracy only added the final nail to the Famicom Disk System's coffin...