Id love if they def bring Anduins arc up during the expansion to finally get him his strength in himself and the alliance , its gonna be neat seeing this expac fully dedicated with Metzen involved
I am praying that Metzen influence bring back Masculinity in this game. It lacks manliness. I have been catching up in the stories recently, i just came bck from a VERY l9ng brake. The amount of time when i heard 2 female bonding togrther in an overly smooth voice saying "together we will prevail" Oh yesss "Together"...made me puke. Nurturing fucking dragons like a nanny....that kind of shit should be kept for side quest. I am playing WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Not the fucking sims. I want war, steife, machination and murder 9n the menu. Not women crying and bonding together. I hope Metzen bring that back.
Meh, he ruined his image when he joined the crybaby crowd just throwing ridiculous shit around and partly still can't let this go. Hard to take anyone seriously (as far as you can and should do this regarding a game anyway), when he walked that pathetic path. Shadowland was easy to understand, Jailer was simlpy a realistic written villain who wasn't all the typical story writing cliches of big revealing speeches, which explain everything even to the most stupid idiot or an annyoing focus on the hero while then never doing anything to actually just get rid of them. It was absolutely clear tha he: a) wanted to free himself. b) take revenge in one form or another. c) take over and then change the system in the way he wants it to be. Sylvanas is even more clear - hell, she does not really stop to explaing it to the player since beginning of the addon. a) End the tyrannic system of the Realm of Death. b) reaplace it with a just one, where every soul got a free choice. c) as usual does not care, what brutal means she has to use to reach this goal (what is nothing new for her - or pretty much in general, look at wars in RL, doing MUCH worse for MUCH less). d) for lack of choice (she DID need the power of a god like him for that) believed in the idea, that her goals align with jailer's C and that the new system to be created woul fulfill her B. There is really nothing badly written about that at all, it's surprisingly well fitting and believeable, the main reason why the Jailer being a bad guy simply a "he doesn't care for mortals", what again is one of the most realistic reasons for being evil, not that you like to be evil, but that you simply give a f*ck about the victims of your deeds. There was also never a "master plan" as all the crybabies love to yell. It was just manipulation and it rarely succeeded in the way it was planed to, but, since in general unrevealed, still brought them step by step closer and opened new ways to reach their goal. No master plan, just taking chances. Anyone with a brain can understand this. Sad enough, most people lack a brain. And I wish that would only be a problem for games, but of course someone who is not even able to understand such simple things a mentioned above, will be easily manipulated for real while understanding shit in RL. The same people who yell "YOU ALWAYS SERVED!!!" to Sylvanas' confrontation of the Jailer's revealed plans, they constantly follow actual manipulators and shoot themselves in the head day by day, because the manipulators told them so.
I remember when everyone hated Anduin for being whiny. Seeing him grow as a person, thrust into the role of King/Leader, and then forced to do such horrid deeds. He's been the most consistent in character growth throught a time where the overall story wasn't very good. I love it when WoW goes big, but love it even more when the scale it down to a personal level and give us a character story like Anduin's.
Thank you for this. I love wow lore, but sometimes it's hard to keep up with everything. I like watching your videos cause you are able to bring it together
You are an immeasurable treasure to Wow community, thank you for your great work! Always a pleasure to hear your voice! May life treat you and your loved ones well!
Video idea, do a storytime video discussing wow's expansions and the lore speculations as they were then, expectations vs what we got in the end, that sort of thing
This was a really great rundown. I played a little of Legion and of Shadowlands, missed BFA altogther, and am currently catching up on Dragonflight, this video really helped fill in some of the gaps of the story. Appreciate it!
Gosh, it's so cool just seeing all the different places across expansion packs with story tidbits. Recognizing certain ones that felt like little fetch quests and then now, tying into the next expansion. I think Blizzard gets dunked on a lot for writing (sometimes rightly so), but there's some things that only a long-lived franchise like WoW can do.
@@AszkalonOfVerra??? Game engines have nothing to do with anything. Some random ping pong game made in 2002, runs on the same engine that RDR2 runs on.
I would also recommend finishing ALL the Klaaxi quests in MOP right now, there are a few little lore drops about the origins of the instectoids and their beef with the old gods and the titans
The War Within feels like a direct continuation from 7.3 in a lot of ways. It's not that everything in between didn't happen, it's just been quietly moved to the sidelines so that we can stop asking "sword? what sword?" like we have for ~5 years now.
WoW is ONE story. You got some stuff that you could be cut out or stand on its own like the Mist of Pandaria stuff without changing the overall story too much, but in general it all hangs together by the cosmic war and its impact or man smaller things. And the reason the sword didn't play a bigger role for some time is, that there wasn't really anything anyone could do about it and it was also not needed after the bleeding was stopped.
In my opinion that's because wow continues storylines from 2-3 expansions ago, it helps avoid treading ground that people don't like. Pandaria, WoD and Legion were odd cases where they kept the closely connected and even overlapped a lot of dev time. However even there, the story of Legion doesn't 100% require WoD, and the plots of all 3 diverge in the major struggle tremendously. I think they show a clear attempt from Blizzard at trying to do this new saga form of delivery. Getting us a more linear story.
I just can’t bring myself to give a shit about anything lore related after the Shadowlands. They effectively retconned the entirety of Warcraft lore trying to pull off a budget version of Thanos, and I’m pretty sure they’re dumb enough to try it again.
If anything this confuses me more, all was told was how a handful of characters are loosely related to the expansion but nothing about the story itself or what happened before
Exactly what i needed! I did not play since BFA and I'm completely and utterly lost on the story and gameplay additions. This will fix the story part at least!
ugh this whole anduin storyline is just a rehashed Darion Mograine story which just makes me roll my eyes at it. Darion's story of breaking free from the Lich King with the help of the Ashbringer and his father is one of my favorite in all of wow and now they just took and copy/pasted it onto anduin.
Personal Theory - World Souls are not inherently from the domain of Order - i think Aman'Thul is like the equivalent of an old god (like the naru are for the Light) except for the domain of Order. He was the "first" titan but i don't think he is a world soul- i think he was sent to the plane of reality much like the old gods were to influence reality. regarding World Souls - i think these are just beings that are capable of absorbing and transforming based on the type of magic/energy they are exposed to, so Aman'thul went around infusing several of them with Order magic creating the pantheon, World souls being able to absorb the energy and transform would explain why Sargeras was turned from his Order self into the Fel infused demon we know and love, this also sort of explains why Argus turned into a "titan of death" having been pumped full of fel and death magic (the death magic being the reason he got sent to the shadowlands and blue-screened the Arbiter). Edit: forgot to mention Eonar and how she is infused with Life magic (we don't know how she got infused with it) So that begs the question- wtf is happening to Azeroth? Having been exposed to tons of Void....Order Magic...now Death magic...maybe some Light and Life?
Speaking of newer generations taking over. Jaina is approaching 40, if she hasn't already passed that age, and is still single. And since she is the current ruler of Kul Tiras, you'd think she'd want an heir to take over after her unless her brother gets one first, since there will be no one to take over that position if either of them were to die. Also, it has yet to be confirmed, but seems likely that Baine and Mayla is also a couple, so we'd like to see where that leads as well.
Thank you for this catch up. I’m a very casual player, I mostly log in for the story and I get so little time to play I can normally only get time to go past a ?.1 or ?.1.5 patch before the expansion is ‘over’. And with the way a lot of the story is locked behind renown I just haven’t been able to get through it all in order. I log in and suddenly I’ve automatically got these patch quests and I’ve no idea which ones are jumping me ahead in the story and which ones I should be working through so I’ve been jumping back and forth between each patch by accident and haven’t been able to keep track of it in the slightest.
I've always been an Alliance main, but I have to say that if TWW focuses all of its "internal wars" on Alliance characters and not a single Horde icon - not even Thrall himself after what happened with him and Garrosh - I will be disappointed Anduin, Alleria, Jaina... It's exciting to see those developments, but the horde needs some too. That, or they need to introduce new ones, which could also be an exciting path for the other "half" of the game, provided those characters and their stories are compelling. But if Horde players end up having to help/witness Anduin Wrynn through his mental trauma it's not gonna feel right lol
This feels like it's just a bunch of alliance character building stories with Thrall just kinda wedged in there. I understand why that is, there is not a lot of Horde characters left. But from a mostly horde player perspective, this xpac feels like there is just not a lot to be excited about, again.
I’ll be the one to say it. World Soul Saga is going to be Marvel Infinity War and Marvel Endgame. We are gonna fight the big bad, we are gonna lose, and then we need to find a way to fix it
Perhaps that would be a good lore basis for doing a "reset", cleaning up all of the unneeded clutter and systems that have built up over the years to make the game more approachable to new players and in general
It was kinda weird how he had like 3 conversations in total with Saurfang and then Saurfang was equally as important to him as his dad. Either Varian really fucked up parenting or Varok had overwhelming dad energy.
@@lytherael2309 Overwhelming dad energy + helped unite the Horde and Alliance for a period of peace while things got sorted out. Fought bravely against raid boss Sylvanas using Shalamayne. Saurfang was important to Zappy boi too
@@gie5834 I was half joking, but whatever writer put that scene together must have had a horrid childhood if they legitimately think that that's enough to equal your actual father. I think it's just plain strange that Varok's there with Varian tbh, the scale of emotional attachment from Anduin's side is weighed so heavily in Varian's favour it feels like Varok is just butting in and semi-ruining a father-son moment. Anduin never even mentioned Saurfang to Sylvanas afterwards and they talked *a lot* in SL and she was the one who killed him, so Anduin clearly wasn't that bothered. In contrast, he brought up Sylvanas leaving Varian behind at the Broken Shore plenty.
Nobbe you rock! What are your thoughts about the Warcraft movie? Is it al cannon? Do you have videos explaining the connections to the game and history?
Warcraft movie is canon, but not for the main/game universe. They've very specificly set up the movie universe with new books and what not. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RLRZsKRu8Dc.htmlsi=KtfOMSPbW9SMTqBJ
Where do the Eredar come from? Why did the Na'aru help them? Why did Sargeras seek them out? Are they the only race that isn't a secret Titan Creation? All other species we've found seem to come from the Titans plus the Curse of Flesh and I've discussed this topic with a friend... What were the Eredar 26.000 years ago, and before that?
No specific origin given so atm they popped into existence similar to trolls for example. Naaru aid could be an interesting hook, especially considering we don't know all the story behind the atamal crystal. Sargeras looked for them caus they were super smart and he needed super smart people to lead his demonic forces. No, a lot of races that are not titan in origin.
@@Nobbel87 We've been argueing what makes sentient life possible. Some of the races we have are only possible for the mixture of Curse of Flesh and Titan Creation, so I'm wondering if you need two or more universal / elemental forces to make life possible on a planet. Then again, OG Draenor was just overflowing with Life, right? So Aggramar created a Titanspawn to combat the Megafauna and bring order to the planet.
Hi, Thanks for the video, really nicely told. There's just one thing that drives me a little crazy. Im from your neck of the woods but spent my life in an American school before moving back here. I'd say the rolling R is used on some and not all pieces which makes it come off a little forced and disingenuous. It's a little touchy to a native ear. Either way keep making videos, just thought id give a little constructive feedback.
You know what's funny? "Domination" put simply is mind control and if you remember back in mists of pandaria anduin was adventuring on his own when he was found by a rescue squad of alliance soldiers who was sent by his father but he didn't want to go home to stormwind. So what did anduin the priest do to escape from them? Well he dominates the mind of one of them and gets away. Then in shadow lands everyone acts like domination magic is some unheard-of new unstoppable thing thats never been seen before. Ok anduin ok
First time we heard or at least i did Xalath was mop getting the gorehowl that would whisper to you time to time? wasnt that called something with xalataths name in it?
@@Nobbel87 Yep i been watching you for years and after my inital comment I thought, Im hardly correct on such a major point, searched up, saw i was wrong then didnt delete, haha big fan of yours, spam your vids when i come back to wow and need a lore catch up, enjoy launch tonight Nobbel.
This so confusing I left in the beginning of legion and everyone tells Emma. Different story of what I must know but this one was less confusing just story feels like their something missing maybe wow did it like that on purpose
So what this is a therapy expansiom for the characters in the game? Not really sure I can even see this as an expansion plot. There is no one to fight but what? Depression? Or bad choices over the years? Doesn't really feel like a major threat or something that needs an expansion to explain just side quests.
Hard to swallow that the 'new' narrative is that the Light is basically just as bad as the Void, and that the Titans are just as bad as the Void. Feels so forced and I haven't seen a single piece of lore to support that being the case. Obviously all factions/forces have their own wielders who have questionable motives but how the fuck are you going to say Naaru dudes who send people with magic cancer to Paradise are the same as fleshy masses with eyes for mouth whose blood destroys your soul, or that the robots trying to stop said fleshblobs are somehow evil when these planets have shown that they are INCAPABLE of fending off the void without Titan interference. Madness.
@@Nobbel87 😅 man too many one of a kind artefacts lately.... Sha cloaks, artefact weapons, pillars of creation, heart of azeroth, timerunner cloak, now this....
Warcraft chronicles used to be to give 1 answer to different stories build up over the years that conflicted with eachother. Now it's a summary of events from titans point of view. Exploring Azeroth is a ground floor look at the world of azeroth, for example how is northrend doing after we left it.
Still not liking all the Anti Titan rhetoric we're getting. Arcane or Order isn't inheritely bad It'd make more sense if one Titan doing all the plans and the others are just following along but not necessarily in agreement(It explains why Eonar did the whole Life thing). worst fear is Azeroth is secretly a First One.
Not dead but close to, she is currently on serve for her crime in The Maw (afterlife). Definitely will come back after some time, probably her story will still be connected to Alleria in the future.
Thanks, she was sentenced by who? for everything she did wrong in shadowlands, the good guys wouldnt have her locked in the maw- also - who runs the shadowlands now? Cause i guess the jailer was killed in some raid or so
@@Iehovvpart of the story of shadowlands was that the impartial "arbiter" that sorts souls into their respective afterlives was corrupted. A new arbiter emerged from one of the souls we as the players bound to. As for Sylvanas, I think it was something along the lines of her being like: "I want to atone for my sins if you (speaking to all the relevant characters involved) let me." Probably is covered better in nobbels video to Sylvanas which I think is up-to-date.
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