The Strange Case of Kari Baker 

Looked like a toe 🤣🤣🤣

@Cheek Chaser where does look like a toe mean fat???

Exactly. It’s okay for him to be a homely fat ass though….totally acceptable.

@@Karenanneseven Matt’s face looks like a toe.

@@georgedoughly8682 of course. I had a blonde moment 💁‍♀️

Excellent summary.

Ex paramedic here, this case might be murder but suicides can be truly bizarre and I have attended calls far worse than this. One mother hung herself in front of her kids, that was a pretty bad night.

Exactly 👌

@@t.b.5115 That's horrifying

@@t.b.5115 And i'm sure you recognized the casual conversation one has while doing chest compressions. (eyeroll)

While you're correct, humans are humans, male or female. People say men don't always think with the organ between their ears, they think with a different organ. Well, women can be guilty of the same sometimes.

true, she s as trashy as him

I thought the same thing! Vanessa thought he was a creeper (which she was right!), but she still went on to have an affair with him, knowing he was married?? Vanessa also never said anything about the pastor plotting to kills his wife? They are both disgusting human beings!

@@User31129 firstly the original comment didn’t make any mention of it being a female or male issue 😂 Secondly, although it’s technically true what you’re saying, this wasn’t that case. Vanessa is younger and way more attractive than he is. It’s highly doubtful she was just desperate for sex 🙄😂 In extremely broad and general terms (I have a psych degree), women cheat/look for partners with different reasons in mind than men 🤔 While there are always exceptions - many of them - in general, women tend to look for security, love and positive attention - sex is usually not the main (nor sole) reason. She was recently divorced and probably felt lonely and vulnerable. Many divorcees think “no one will ever want me now I’m this age and I have kids”. He was older, he was a pastor (so he had a good standing in the community), and he was infatuated with her 🤔 That’s very flattering to someone in her position. It’s one of the reasons why we say so many cases of younger women with older men - psychologically speaking, it’s about stability, security and older men tend to worship young, hot women. You feel adored and special while being secure knowing he won’t leave you (because he’s so infatuated) 🤔 It’s not always on a conscious level. As I say, of course there are lots of exceptions to this and it’s a very general analysis, but the point is, in this case, she wasn’t with him purely for sexual reasons 😂🤷‍♀️ Men typically can separate sex and love much more easily than women (again, broadly speaking). While men can just get what they’re looking for and walk away, for women, there’s an emotional element that makes it harder (and for the last time, before anyone jumps down my throat, there are of course exceptions. I’m talking from a psychological perspective that has been studied for a very long time at length lol).

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 exactly

I thought '"The silver tongued cavalier"

Right, like she fell for that line? yikes

no wonder why she is dead….🤷🏻

he was a pastor...or was he a minister? Anyways, it's amazing how much leeway people allow "religious people." Plus, this guy was a shameless predator. If you keep hitting on thousands of women, you'll find one that doesn't mind your creepiness. Law of averages.

Lol I know

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Honestly, the mistress looked kinda chunky too. I thought he was a chubby chaser.

@@smolmom She just needed to tone up, she wasn’t really heavy.

Even ignoring how trashy she is, imagine sticking with a guy who murders his wife. What do you think he’s gonna do when he tires of you???

Yup. You can see right through her.

And then he confessed to her after the murder and still does nothing?

I thought I must be missing some details here, how is she not in prison rn?

They probably offered her immunity for her testimony against him.

Divorce is more of a hassle, and murder shuts the chapter on things. Saying divorce is always wrong and so now go murder is just an excuse for weak people like that guy

Why pay for divorce and lose half of everything including the kids, when killing the spouse leaves you with everything and probably a nice life insurance payout to boot?…

you have to be cocky enough to think you'll get away with it "no one will ever figure out my master plan!"

I believe in certain religions, being a divorced “holy man” is worst than being a murderer.

Pretty soon there will be need for divorce attorney”s .

They had a typed, unsigned note. What more could they need?

Investigation? Autopsy? Not in Texas.

Obstruction of justice?

If it's any consolation, I doubt she's on facebook and has to use a fake name if she ever wants to try out a dating site. I wouldn't touch her with a ten-inch pole. She's clearly mentally ill and will have to explain her actions to The Almighty if she truly believes there is an afterlife.

Was thinking the exact same thing about her. As if she didn't know how totally wrong it was on her part to even fool with that creep. She knew how wrong it was for him to even joke with her about "dating" and should immediately have left that church and never returned, at the very least. Must be some seriously liberal baptists, lol.

totally agree. i think it's the 'Amber Frey' effect, they want to be famous or something. want to write a book & gain something from it. completely disgusting.. sad they couldn't charge her as well..

She looks like she’s enjoying the attention while feigning she’s a victim.

Agree. Literally was about to say the same

His wife stayed with him even though he had been outed as a perv...

I know right! She is probably busy with just another married man now, and will continue to go through the line!

"temerity", ooh. nice word. stealing that to use for myself! Thanks articulate stranger! Happy youtubing :)

Exactly! She was a part of it without doubt, but she turned on him to save her skin. Horrible woman 😖

CPOrrrrr.. 😂

Not to mention how many killers attempt to kill the next lover once they get away with the first. Especially if they know about the first xD.

I think us men are the same. Very strange to wany to be found that way

I'm sure he did because he used sex and sex pills to drug her. They were effin that night with pills and booze, otc sexual aides but I'm including them here anyway lol

You know this how? Did you interview the dead suicide victims and ask them yourself? Lololol

I thought the same thing. Who kills themselves when they're naked

A lot? So not all? So maybe, just possibly, this one was different

Indeed. Absolutely sickening.

Yeah, her John Deere shirt…real classy, girl! 🤮

She was all good with his murder plot and even continued sleeping with him afterward. She's just as guilty for knowingly allowing it to happen. She only ratted after she knew she was going down as his accomplice.

@@jeannievail I wonder when it is under the law when knowledge of a crime becomes aiding and abetting a crime.🤨

Lol I know, I'm sitting here thinking, wait, it worked on you though. I have a feeling there's a different version to that story.

Yah, a woman was dead and she was worried about her schedule. Before it even got to this point she should of gone to the police. She could of saved that poor woman from being killed.

Yeah, poor thing had the police take her away from her busy schedule, just because her boyfriend murdered his wife

She was just fine with it until they got caught.

😂😂🤣🤣😂🙄🤡

I have consistently found that women who sleep with married men have no empathy, therefore they don’t care about whoever gets hurt or murdered. Of course, right? No empathy means they cannot put themselves in the wife’s position to begin with, which is why they begin the affair in the first place. These people are damaged emotionally and mentally.

My guess is that they offered her immunity for her testimony. That’s pretty standard, especially since technically she didn’t _actively_ participate in any way. That said, she’s garbage.

Facts

I agree if she knew ahead of time. I've watched this story on a couple different shows an I believe she was informed after the fact. Not that she's not a disgusting human just for the fact she's banging the married pastor. But I'm not convinced she knew he was gonna kill her. Oh Im sure he said all kinds of hateful things about his wife but don't think she was told I'm gonna kill her ... Thinking she was told after the fact that Ya I did this all for you an our love... Or something along those lines of Bullshit!!

She might have immunity now but wild guess there’s probably a place in hell for her.

Would you run to that PD when they didn’t even suspect the guy? After all he was a minister, & evidently his wife didn’t take his shenanigans seriously when she found out about them. Highly unlikely the PD would wish to walk back on their initial findings, especially since they wouldn’t listen to victim’s family.

Fr !!! what tells you that he won’t get your ass next, once he gets bored

Like the wife waa innocenf herself. The wife stuck by her sex offender husband.

Moral of the story: no, you cannot determine if this is "the one" from a mere 3 months of romantic-type interaction and two, you shouldn't try and commit for the long term in your 20's. The likelihood it will work is so extremely low. Wait to settle down till your 40's when all of the immature adolescent young adult values pretty much disappear.

FORREAL! Same with anyone that gets involved with somebody who is spoken for then they think that person won’t turn around & cheat on them too!! Yo, they literally SHOWED you their poor character! I just can’t 😒🙄😑

To be fair, women who try to leave violent men often end up becoming targets themselves. It might have been she figured he was just venting and full of shit - talking a big game about something he'd never actually go through with (y'know, like all those people who say they're going to start a band). And then, as he's describing in painful detail how he killed his wife and the police have declared it a suicide, it hits her that he wasn't just a shallow sex-obsessed loser full of impotent rage, but was actually very fucking dangerous. On the other hand, he said he wanted to kill her because she "got fat" and called her "disgusting". She might well have thought "I'm younger and prettier, he's not gonna do anything to me".

And whines about how talking to the police is taking time out of her schedule....

Spoiler alert.

She's a real winner, that's for sure.

@@whaghht Don't go into the comment section when you haven't finished the video instead of whining in the comment section about spoilers. This is no cinematic thriller, it is about a person that actually got murdered.

Shes annoyed the shit out of me 🙄

Was just listening to that part when I read your comment. Typical narcissist 'imma sleep now..you keep doing you, rockstar' 🤯..like wtf?

Right?!

That was such a red flag plus women don't usually kill themselves in the nude.

@@bakeddulce5451 that's exactly what I said!!

@@bakeddulce5451 Too right - though also women don't 'usually' kill themselves at all - and nor did this one.

First red flag was how calm he sounded telling the operator his wife had committed suicide. If you love your souse, you would be beyond yourself, not sound calm as hell. Second red flag was that the note was typed. 90% of the time suicide notes are handwritten. I instantly suspected it was him

"Oh I have a dentist appointment at 5 so I hope y'all are gonna get her soon. Kthxbye" he might've added.

He also acted like 400times was too many times!

@@TomboyGirlfriend right I agree 100% it's insane *Also love your name I'm also a brooke lol

@@Elizabelizard aaah hello fellow Brooke!

Its ridiculous right?

That praises him for being a great Dad. Plus, I don't think people commit suicide naked.

@Ryker Jett why the hostility? Do you have an anger problem? It's just LWD's opinion.

Exactly! A note that’s not hand written most likely isn’t a suicide

@Frank Marano he seemed really put out about the 400+ compressions.

Sounds a bit like Chris watts

Wonder if he killed the baby..?

@@yanifree114 doubtful the child was very very sick. And treatment might be limited at that age. I wouldn’t put it pass him because the child was “taking too long to die” in his mind

The death of a child often kills the relationship. It takes a few years to finally for that process of grieving to run its course, at which point the couple might not have anything left. And of course, the pain will never go away, like a life-changing injury such as having a habitual drunk driver break your back, or having a creepy dude kill your daughter, the pain will always be there... I suspect that Matt was the one who lost interest in her, however. He seemed to place physical lust over having something deeper...

@@yanifree114 especially since he was the one to walk in and 'discover' the baby not breathing

Revelation 16:15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

100% agree

She was probably just a secret nudist, and we learned from pastor Matt that she was into bondage as well... Probably only for reenacting some religious scenes, of course.

I was hoping someone else noticed that. Women don’t want to be found like that.

Maybe he wanted to embarrass her. It’s so disgusting

Exactly, plus calling her fat and other obscene names when he himself looks like a walking heart attack!

Really? He doesn't give ya a chub?! Oh well...

@@johnnyholmes8840 Hey man, don't shame people for not having the same exquisite taste as you and I. Not everyone can be so blessed. More muscle bound dreamboat for us!

10:31 he looks like that sex offender in a program called sex lies and sex offenders ... its a educational VHS interviewing real sex offenders who are incarcerated.. sorry if this is random but i gagged cuz it looked like the guy that kept saying "i trained her from 1 years old..she was going to be my perfect mate" just search youtube channel pujarze and the video title is " A Psychopathic Sex Offender - An interview with a real psychopath - Disturbing!" looks just like him...yuckie!

@@kimmyfreak200 I agree, he looks like a complete creep, but based off appearance alone, you kinda look like you might drink blood in your spare time.... A nice blood, cocaine cocktail with Jim Morrison back in the day sound appetizing?

I blame The "I can fix him" mindset

Happens more than we think. Men lie all the time about being in relationships and the rest of the women don’t even care but still act like they didn’t know when they get caught 🙄

Exactly ! She was so horrified by his actions that he continued to be with him.

And the fact that she has a child of her own is sickening to me !!! Would you want your child having to deal with a murdered mother???? Why would you do that to someone else’s kids

@@eduagonzalez i hate that type of women. They shi* constantly in other garden but God beware if someone shi* in hers..egoistic and cold Would not trust such womens one bit

why didn't she tell someone about Matt's plan. She waits until Kari dies and decides to speak after being subpoenaed. So hypocritical on her part

Accessory to murder is what she is.

@@coolwomabat7897 absolutely

I know right

My first impression as well 😡

They are both garbage

That's a whole other level of evil there...

For real!!!! She should've got some kind of charge for knowing that and not saying anything until ish hit the fan!!! 🤔

Yup, she isn't a victim - the whole thing could have been prevented if she'd reached out to Kari or the police. Matt is obviously a POS but then quite a lot of pastors tend to be unfortunately. That pretend CPR was so unconvincing.

@@I-C-Y-U-N-V Probably took a plea deal.

@Peter Shead "Piece Of Shit"

The phone demeanor of a man ordering a pizza.

Yup, I've made 911 calls in dire situations. I couldn't remember my own street address or directions on how to get there. Couldn't string two words together without stuttering.

Exactly

@@retiredkidbuck I agree, I've always panicked and can't even get words out...

How could she be attracted to someone who approached her that way, and after he talked about his wife so hideously, not to mention sharing plans to murder her with her. I am just in shock.

Shes a horrible human being, just like him.

K. S Exactly she never said a thing and carried on seeing that monster.

Agreed. Vile.

Totally agree with you. What a complete lowlife she is too. Just as guilty of murder as he was. Watching her testify infuriated me because you can tell how much she was loving the attention.

You would think but some pastors are able to convince women it’s part of gods plan to be together and the women are attracted to a person or position of power in the church….as a pastor I would be scared to death to commit all those taboos in a church 😱

But he has a vasectomy!

Some ladies just love the bad boys

Any pastor coming on to me would be a turn off, lol.

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Ikr? And then when he's being instructed to do chest compressions that we all know damn well he is NOT doing, he finds it more important to ask the 911 operator if he should unlock the door and then mentions that he needs to call her parents. Yes, doing those two things are definitely more important than trying to do CPR on your wife. Ewww.

Must have been difficult for him. Y'know,with him being so handsome and everything.

Wtf dead peoples bodies poop and pee long after death I guess he didn't watch ask a mortician lady.

I guess he forgot to clean his mirror to take a long good look at himself first! It would have saved him some breath from criticizing his innocent wife and her looks! Vile a$$hole!

@@kerrya2477 giggles!

Right?! WTH?! Then she had the nerve to pretend she was disgusted by him, even though she kept sleeping with him after the murder & covered for him! Grotesque, the both of them!

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Some women are easy and love the fat hairy look, lol

@@paulwoodford6229Desperate times call for desperate measures.

what are you? walking perfection?? such arrogance...

😂 I know right? Time is a fast moving train that stops for noone.

Frrrr

Right..

I mean I'm only 30 but find it crazy that I work with adults that basically don't even know what 9/11 was like

Me too

Also saying what a great dad you are.

Yep it's vomitous.

while i agree with you, how do you know she had concerns about her body weight? it was her husband who said she was a 'fat bitch'. doesn't necessarily mean she herself had any problems with her body 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@jsteiner93 I have seen this story covered on more than one show. Her family even brought up this point when questioning the suicide verdict. Her husband hounded her about her weight and it caused her much grief.

@@kathy8013 ah okay, i didn't know that! and despite what i said in my previous comment, it does make total sense that it wouldn't leave her unaffected. the person that's supposed to love you no matter what becoming such a bully to you must be awful.

This is an interesting point I didn’t consider.

In general most women wouldn’t commit suicide naked.

😂

Seriously! That should’ve been a red flag right there.

So true

Yep. Recently I called church’s for messing up my order big time and i felt like such a Karen that my Voice was shaking more than anything in that 911 call.

True! 😁

She’s a narcissist, two peas in a pod

Everything's about herself. I wonder how many more lives she's ruined in her pursuit of a freeloading life since then.

At this time she was just being interviewed like anyone would including the husband… the fact she would say the when she knew detail by detail of HOW he murdered her she is directly involved

@L Train45 she doesn't have to, but she knew that he'd killed her and said nothing.

Oh look, it's Vanessa under her alt account "L Train45". Either that or this L Train fk is a bit daft.

Straight up.

Haha rightttt. Vanessa clearly has super high standards. 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

We all know what caliber of a person Vanessa is. Is anyone surprised that she knew what he was gonna do and didn’t do a damn thing to stop it, nor report him after? If that gross pick-up line worked on her, then I, for one, am not surprised

It was inconveniently "taking time out of her schedule"? A woman is dead bitch!

Reprehensible person imo

Yea she’s a real piece of work. She knew about his plan to kill her and did nothing. She could have saved her. She should feel partially responsible for Kari’s death IMO.

She was under the thumb of someone who was very good at manipulating others. True she is not totally innocent but psychopaths and narcissists are incredibly good at manipulating and almost hypnotizing people with lies and bullshit.

She’s the worst kind of Karen

Yah, I didn't quite get all of that. She said he was talking about killing his wife and the ways to do it. She ends up dead, and it didn't even occur to her to maybe go talk to the police after she is found dead.

Because she's more than likely lying. If not, she should be serving the same time as he is as an accessory. She's just as guilty.

@@afcaton1 I’m sure she got immunity for her testimony. There’s literally no upside for her in telling this story if it’s a lie. And Mike did say there were emails that back some of it up.

Yeah! Was the mistress ever charged with… anything? Even a fine!?

It wasn't until after she saw his true colors and it was no longer benefitting her that she turned against him and wanted him arrested! So if everything had kept going great...she would not have said a thing! *Wow! She's as shitty as he is!*

Like fr!!! I was honestly disturbed by how matter a fact she was speaking like girl… you understand you talking about a woman THAT YOU KNEW (and you yourself said was a nice person) being murdered by her husband and you knowing about it before hand and actively not doing anything to stop it. Like do you understand that!?

VANESSA IS A HOTTIE. HOTTIES ALWAYS WIN

@@caballopalido i‘m sorry but she ain‘t even hot she‘s just manipulative and loves to talk a lot

She did half heartedly try to squeeze out a tear but just couldn't manage a single measly one . What a despicable pos .

Good on her ex husband lol

You and me both, I just can't wrap my head around it!!!🙏🤔

Only talked so she wouldn’t be implicated, just like NK.

I thought the same thing untill I got married………no one can hurt you more then you spouse especially if there trying for years. I personally would never but I do see how someone could be brought to it.

Or your child!!!!!

@@chriswalsh6893 I think people might think about it but to really plan it?? Wicked and evil.

Absolutely!!!

Indeed! ....and I think it's safe to say that 'pastor Matt' never preached on Ephesians 5:25: "Husbands love your wives" ...yeah pretty sure he didn't.

all churches are wrong and they should pay taxes.

He is going straight to HELL!

No such thing as the right Church

I love him 🤣🤣🤣🤣

This one had me belly laughing

Completely

Lmao Mike is top notch

yeah. real impressive

could have*

Ikr! She’s doing all of that shakey voice acting, trying not to go to prison. Suddenly, she’s angry and calling the guy manipulative.

@@TheScienceguy77 *I don't care. You understand what I was trying to say, you're just being petty.

They love being the victim meanwhile they still have their lives smh

@@pinkystichy I was just letting you know of a mistake you're making to correct it in the future so that you don't sound like an illiterate mouthbreather. Getting this defensive over being grammatically corrected is actually petty.

It's craigslist material for 🙄🙄🙄

😂😂😂

Casanova 🤣

I'm childfree and I'd love it if a man told me he had a vasectomy

Yes he is such a silver tongued devil

A naked victim and a typed letter... the investigators who ruled it a suicide should be ashamed of themselves

If someone is suicidal (been there, done that, failed miserably thanks to the police) and if they leave a note it would most likely contain an apology and reasons or motivation for taking their own life. It would not contain thoughts of others, children included. If you're still thinking about your children you're not suicidal xx

Yep

Csi taught me that 20 yrs ago, rookie mistake. Shows you how sensitive he was to half his ministry.

Yes studies show actually that with regard to suicide, men dont often seem to focus on appearance, where as women do tend to groom themselves somewhat beforehand. (Often found with make up on, hair done)

@@sarabobara8458 and don't like to leave messes for others to clean up

@@sarabobara8458 Exactly, and as a religious woman, wife of a pastor, she would have been horrified to imagine anyone finding her like that. Modesty and dignity don't go out the window when you are suicidal.

“I’m doing chest compressions. Really, I’m doing it! Seriously, just pushing away here.”

Exactly!!

That's exactly what I was thinking. Its very telling when you hear/see how people react in the aftermath of things like this. I know people are often in shock and do crazy things that can seem weird but when someone is that calm, surely it's a mahooosiv red flag? Rip Miss. Such a shame you ever met this POS.

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If she had been dead for an hour or more, I can honestly see not bothering, as she didn't take their daughters with her would be my next concern if she really killed herself. After all, there is a change to the eyes once someone has passed that tell you they won't come back no matter home much you want them to... You seem to forget the nature of Vanessa's predicament. Even if she heard him talk shit about his wife, she didn't necessarily believe that he was going to kill her. Then once she realizes that he did kill her, that if she displeased him she could be next...

She is just as much as a monster as he is.

Yeah like ok so he's telling you all about how he wants to kill her and all of his ideas so what the hell is she sitting there saying?? So obviously you didn't try to stop him or tell anyone what he planned to do and that to me is just as damn guilty and evil!!!!!!

SHE'S A BRAVE SOUL. AND PRETTY. PRIME

and how she tried to play the victim in court. She knew he had a wife but tried to act like it wasn't her fault she slept with him

@@caballopalido You know you can pay for a prostitute. You don't need to be so desperate for a pretty woman

"pretending" That's about as Baptist as you can get. xD

Lol

Pretending? This is pretty standard. Most ministers just don't face the law.

@@chevgage6210 ya, I know some very real ministers though who show their struggles and don't pretend to be anything other than humans trying.

@@HamburgerAmy No, that's about as sadly human as you can get -- and tends to be VASTLY worse without faith or religion. Officially atheist governments murdered tens of millions (think Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot, for starters). I'd take Baptists (in general) over them, any day (as would you, I trust) -- and I'm not even remotely a Christian.

Exactly !

I cannot count the number of women who were surprised that their man cheated on them when they themselves hooked up with the guy when he had a girlfriend already.

Awww!

You might have a future stand up comic there.

@@juliecrane9647 maybe!!! 🤞

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murder stories are great for infants! woo!