Great video. I have noticed that in modern judo many judokas throw the opponent and go to the ground with them. As opposed to what I see in from older days. Throwing an opponent and remain standing.
Throwing right into a pin increases the score. If the throw didn’t get the ippon, holding the pin will. We call that technique as “going terminal.” It’s best practiced on a crash pad.
Because the judo sports rules changed. In my days you had to remain standing in order to get an ippon, nowadays they role with everything. So technically, the lady in the old footage does a seoi nage while the modern judoka does a seoi makomi...different. You could see the throw at several old style Ju jitsu like Daito ryu. (I think in Nikkayo or sankayo... The leg throw is a reverse of what is done in karate in kata Niseishi ...holding the ankle while pushing the leg on the knee towards the floor...
In old traditional Ju Jutsu, which is for a context outside the mats where there could be multiple opponents etc, rolling down with the opponent would not be a benefit. On the contrary; it could become a death trap. Most people on an old battlefield died by being trampled to death in one way or another, that might give some perspective. This is why many styles of old JuJutsu makes use of "finishing moves" that keep one standing or at least an upright position on one knee. Some even use dropping/pinning knees, stomps and the like. Some schools specialize in throws that aim at breaking the shoulders, neck, skull/face, or spine of the opponent; activly preventing all forms of rolling out of it. In those cases roling down with the throw to take control becomes less nessecery and do not outweigh the risk of a second opponent attacking while entangled with the first. Old Japanese Jujutsu (and bujutsu in general) also have the concept of "sanshin" (or similar) where you always should continue treat the opponent as a potential threat even if he looks taken out and stay vigilant and be aware of your surroundings always expecting multiple attackers. I say this because this is where from Judo developed and it might take some time to streamline the techniques to polish away stuff that is no longer benificial under the current set of rules. And as someone above said; not too long ago the rules favoured a standing finnish after the throw. Great obsevation though!
First tomoe nage I saw was when one friend of mine (slightly overweight) was fighting another friend (small and skinny) in school, I think we were in sixth or seventh grade and the smaller one was taking judo classes, and I saw what he was going to do, and yelled stop to the other but he went full in and got thrown 😂 You would think something silly like that would never work but for some reason it does 😂
Wow, was the segment with the ladies from the US? I had no idea the states were aware of Japanese martial arts until the 50s when Judo started being taught over here. Thanks for the fascinating content!
Judo didn't become wide-spread until the 1950s, but it has been in the US since at least the early 1900s. President Roosevelt was already taking Judo lessons at the White House in 1904.
@StevenRayW I had no idea. Thanks for your input. I used to train in Aikido years ago and know that came over to the US in the 60s--perfect targeting by Hombu dojo on that one! But I am just now learning a bit about Judo. I never would've guessed I'd ever see women with flapper hairdos train a Japanese martial art in the 20s on a couple of matresses in a paror. That's really cool.
It says BFI so I think British. British people were probably aware of that throw in catch wrestling they call that throw the flying mare. Also there were other wrestling styles from local regions like Cornwall. I think Japanese Jiu jitsu came to England in 1910s anyway
This is an awesome self defense video from the past! It also doubled as a bit of a "racy" video because it has women in short dresses wrestling. Back then, it would have been considered soft core explicit material.
