Funny how the pod is so durable that it can take re-entry, ricocheting off a mountainside, etc., while inside the ship it immediately explodes simply from derailing.
@@bigtechdicktators6704 In that case - who would make area filled with escape-pod-bombs that slide all around with slightest vibration of the mothership and keep exploding?
@@mungo7136 as pointed out, make them allready inside a tunel will solve these problems, but it will fail to create dramatic crash scene. if you know it can be derailed quickly, then you did something realy bad at design :))).
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@carlos Rivas Why do you even try to come up with a reasonable explanation? The movie is a satire. BTW even as an recon pod it would be shitty as hell... Where are the tons of antennas, dishes and cameras of the recon equipment?
Starship Troopers shows us: _-How not to invade a planet._ _-How not to escape a burning ship._ I'm beginning to think this movie is a cautionary tale....
How not to manage a fleet approaching a planet (you know manouver ship so close each other than one swerve and 10 went hit) How not to manage a combat intellingence unit How not... wait, I don't remember anything else but I'M SURE there is some other "how not to" in there
@@umascariatuerich2014 How not to use ground tatics. How not to underestimate your enemies. How not to use propaganda by having a live broadcast camera at a battle where you can't control what the public sees.
Good thing everyone learned from this 1997 cautionary tale, and there hasn't been any type of overly costly invasion of desert locales on the other side of the world with inadequate equipment through flimsy reasoning involving some alleged weapons of mass destruction ever since... ... hold on a second...
@tgmforum "We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks."
Pod 2 struck an object with its side. Pod 1 struck objects with its nose cone. That's why Pod 1 survived. You see, unlike the rest of the escape pod, the nose cone is constructed from hardened steel instead of dynamite.
I am fairly sure the bad design was intentional and deliberate. This is a vorhooven movie so along with outright disregarding and mocking his audience, he is a fan of parody gone so far it loops back around into full sincerity.
To be fair, Verhonen's movie is satire on real events and propaganda and shares nothing with the book except title. He even joked about not reading it, if I recall right. They go as a good combo with the book though, you just have to realise that they talk about different things and in different fashion. Much worse is when Halo copied it and Aliens for their Marines, they didn't recognize it as a satire:D
@@TheArklyte oh i love the movie for the most part (cameron getting head pats for not being at her post and thus her dereliction causing her ship to be unable to warn that the rock was coming thus murdering a whole city because she was making out eith her instructor vs rico getting forty lashes and made a pariah because every fifth or tenth round in training was live and he accidentally killed a guy. Fuck off just that entire thing fuck off along with that creepy psy ops fucker.) The movie is terrifyingly relevant, funny in how blatant it is, and... It helped spawn the roughnecks cartoon. Which I found quite enjoyable.
@@singletona082 Minor nitpick. Rico ordered one of his subordinate trainees (because he was squad leader or something) to take off his helmet and show it to him, and at that exact time another trainee got hit (and shocked because of it) and spasm-fired an arc through the head of the now helmet-less trainee. All trainees were using exclusively live rounds in that exercise (it was called a "Live Round Exercise" IIRC). Try guessing whether the helmet would have saved the trainee if it was on, lol.
Escape pod after crashing into a mountain from orbit, crashing through a mountain into a cave, and hitting the end of the cave: This is fine Escape pod after going off the rails: This is unbearable
I think an escape pod should have manuvering thrusters, even if it's just an extra tank of compressed air with a vectorable nozzle. No one wants to spend their last hour on an obvious collision course with a large fragment of their ship, and be entirely unable to even slightly adjust their trajectory.
Low end maneuverability in an escape pod makes sense, you want to be able to avoid debris, and manuver to a rendezvous location with other pods making recovery easier. Full drive systems tho, at that point it's not an escape pod but an auxiliary craft, or it may as well be.
@@RandomNameLastName811 I would also like to add that the thrusters could be used to escape a combat zone. You don't want to be stuck in the crossfire between two big fleets if your ship is taken out early in the fight and lets not forget that some species may be willing to attack escape pods for one reason or another. Also it makes retrieval easier if the rescue ship does not need to go into the debris field to pick you up.
cgi2002 full drive systems make sense cause u may have to get away quickly from the ship if the reactor is about to explode and or to land on a planet. If it’s in the middle of a space battle u may have a better chance on the ground or rescue could take longer then the pod has the air supply or power for.
@@ONEIL311 oh i agree, but at that point, you may aswell make your "escape pod" into a small scale ship of its own, something akin to a star trek shuttle pod. Drive systems are nice, but you need more. Communications if you want rescuing anytime in the future. Sensors if you plan to navigate to a planet, and to find out if its habitable. Shields (if the universe has them), as you may as you said, be in a battlefield or have to survive what killed your ship originally. FTL drives realistically, space is big, and very empty, the chances of finding a livable planet are tiny to begin with, and without FTL it could take months or even years to reach some place habitable. Essentially, as this point, you want a second entire ship if you plan to live long enough to be rescued, or even better, rescue yourself. An escape pod without this onboard only makes sense if your in friendly space that's well traveled, or traveling as part of a larger group that can rapidly lend aid.
*It gets worse, you missed something…* When the escape pod rams through the outer door and exits the ship - it _creates a hole in the ship_ that leads back to the escape pod room and depressurises the ship. Imagine if a escape pod/sled was deployed when the ship wasn't damaged? Next thing the ship is venting atmosphere through the tunnel the pod flew down. And that's a pretty big room so a lot of force is going to be created by that. Anyone on the wrong side of a closing pressure door is going to be flung down that tunnel (probably severely concussed by impacts on the way) and shot out at a considerable velocity as that tunnel with the large room behind is going to be like a potato gun. Large air chamber, small diameter exit on long tube. And if during an actual emergency the pressure doors malfunction (or get overridden by officers trying to reach the pods), then the whole ship is going to vent into space. Even if it wasn't a ship destroying calamity, just a medium level emergency or _a false alarm._
Well they've thought of this at least, as the pods that we see launch don't immediately decompress the room. So presumably there is some sort of hatch that closes up behind them.
You obviously missed the door that closes behind the pod as they leave. That being said, this is single-use only and with just an exterior door to make a vague attempt at an airlock, they could at least make it a re-usable death machine.
"Why not just have a box on a decoupler that just gets let go of?" Probably because some amount of impulse is required so that the pod doesn't sit right on the big ship that is being shot at by the enemy and/or is about to blow up dramatically when the fuel or magazines burn.
If walle taught me anything is that high pressure area wants to equalize with low pressure area. And if I recall correctly space is basically empty which equates to a low pressure area.
True, but it's the same point he made in the Star Wars bombers video: the escape pod would presumably be let go of within the artificial gravity of the ship, and when it enters zero-g it would maintain its momentum, therefore (theoretically) not needing engines. I'd argue a small engine would be alright though, since it would make sense to want to get a little far away from a ship that can violently explode.
You would probably also want the small amount of impulse to slow the pod down after it gets far enough away. Otherwise the day or two it might take for a rescue could scatter the pods way too far out.
@@iqbalindaryono8984 Remember that only water and gas take the shape of their container, and that only gas will expand to do so. So air will rush out of a ship to expand into space, but water and metal will just stay in the same place until the ship itself moves. Also space isn't so much low pressure as lacking molecules near entirely, but both ways of thinking work.
yep they set off an accidental gas leak explosion resulting in over 120 deaths and to top that off the escape system is unsafe resulting in a 60% fail rate and I highly doubt the crew is trained to operate these death sleds..... ---- this has been general Sci-Fi safety inspections with Red Lantern
Umm, excuse me, but I believe Star Wars has the top spot here. Bottomless pits with no railing... check... deadly beams of plasma within 10 feet of people... check... tractor beam controls that require one to be Spider-Man to reach safely... check...
@@artembentsionov not to mention job site construction dangers like being blown up by rebellious insurgants garbage compactors that suddenly turn on for no apparent reason also garbage systems that allow creatures to make their homes there and if you were unfortunate enough to be a galactic UPS captain who accidentally crashed a ship into one of the emperor's vaults you could be staring down the barrel of a firing squad and so you escape with a droid and a ship and help the rebel insurgants then get forgotten when a mean old ice queen deletes your story and all the others in your timeline....that'es that danger LMAO! [I'm referring to Dash Rendar's origin here]
I love how everything in Starship Troopers is designed to be as least effective as humanly possible. From the body armour that offers no protection to the infantry weapons that take 300 rounds to stop a single arachnid.
Well, to be fair, Verhoeven left out a lot of stuff. For example, in the novels, the Mobile Infantry had better armour, like the M-1A4 power suit, M-1A5 engineer power suit, M-1A6 pathfinder power suit, and M-1C8 command suits, not to mention the M-4A1 Exosuit and M-8 Marauder. All you ever saw in the movie was the M-1F2 "Raider Armour", which was completely unpowered and not environmentally sealed. He also left out the Neodogs (uplifted canines) and XM-550 CHAS (robot infantry), and also the Firefox VSTOL gunship, GK-16 Gecko MLRS, and a lot of other advanced, powerful vehicles. A lot of advanced weaponry such as the SW-X28 "Bugbroom" Support Laser, SW-490 "Blizzard" Missile Pack, MW-206 "Derringer" Light Rotary Cannon, MW-268 "Firestorm" Missile System, MW-211 "Hail Mary" Mortar, SW-422 "Hellseed" Grenade Launcher, etc., was not even mentioned. In fact, aside from the escape pod and the starships, the only vehicles you saw were the Viking Landing Boat and one flyover by F-76 Thunderbolt TAC Fighters, and the only heavy weapons you saw were the MW-5050 "Twin-Fifty" autocannon. TL;DR: In the novels they had much more effective armour, weapons, and vehicles. Verhoeven deliberately used the least effective stuff, perhaps for budgetary reasons (as in, their entire CGI budget had been spent on the Arachnids) or perhaps because the movie was intended as a military satire.
@@artembentsionov Actually, the government in the original novel was a liberal meritocracy. A lot of people confuse it for fascism (including Verhoeven), but it isn't.
@@artembentsionov Heinlein was a US Navy officer during WWII, he faced the Nazis, and he'd have dueled and shot anyone who called him a fascist. Whereas you clearly have never read the book you lie about.
"those weird magical halo pods that hit the ground at 90 mph" he says as he cuts out the evene where the drop pod deploys a "parachute" to slow down and also fires retro rockets to reduce the speed of the pod. Still hits the ground faster than it would in reality probably but it's pretty cool so I give it a pass.
@JM Coulon The framing of the movie with all the propaganda clips may indicate the entire movie is a propaganda movie meant to get humans fired up to serve their government and offer their lives up to fight the aliens.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I remember the issue was that the director decided that he wants this film to be as anti-military as possible about halfway down the shooting, and this is why a lot of people didn't even pick up the satire. It's kinda like the "How I stopped worrying and loved the bomb" where the General was told that everyone would be playing it in this very silly fashion, and everyone else did not, so he looked like the largest ham in the world and really chewed it.
@@TheWinjin It's such irony really. Director missed the point of the book and tried to make a satire of it, completely messed up his satirical movie and ended up making it look more as a pro war flick/war comedy. Movie managed to miss both the book and the director's message. While the message is still there, people tend to enjoy the movie for different reasons.
0:57 "Down a launch tube to an exterior hatch which doesn't apparently have any explosive bolts or anything. The escape pod just rams nose first through it and pushes it off in order to escape" is said while the clip clearly shows explosive bolts opening the door and launching the debris into space just feet before the pod reaches it. Play it back frame by frame and it's obvious.
There's room for 8 people in that huge room. Just as the scene starts, one is rocketing away. If we want to be REALLY nice, there's what looks like an already launched 5 rail so that's ten people. Also: the people were apparently kind enough to run for the one at the end of the room, and leaving the ones closest to the door for the slower people. How polite.
@@darwinxavier3516 Well, most (hopefully all, but I can't be totally certain) navies have life-boat drills, right? If you have a vehicle with escape pods, it makes sense to have escape pod drills.
@@princecharon Tell that to the Titanic which had lifeboats more for show and apparently piss poor evacuation protocols. Given the resounding incompetence of the Terran Federation, I would credit individual officers for knowing what to do out of frequent experience surviving catastrophes rather than any kind of safety training.
Poorly thought through escape systems , would , in the future, encourage the entire people and bridge crew to go down with the ship, the culture at the time. (The news is that this room might be one of many , with other rooms having much differently designed systems), as for the atm oxygen loss, i remembered thinking an automatic door closing closer up the tunnel should do the job, as for the crafts design, they are just ship to ship transfer shuttles , prototype and newly introduced. I should indight you for semi treasonous behaviour against the fed. There is clearly a 'main escape room' system we arnt seeing as its not part of the story and meant for the mass of the crew.
Well to be fair, in the world of star ship troopers, the ones in charge consider all personnel disposable so these unsafe designs are consistent with that line of thinking.
This is one of those "This isn't for real safety. This is to make them feel safe. If the ship is lost, what then is the crew really worth?" You're right that those in charge were [insert Godwin's Law]
I don't see how that would be the case after investing all that time and money in training them. The Mobile infantry in the book version anyway it's an elite unit made entirely of volunteers, maybe not the brittest people but well trained and well motivated. The mobile suits made them a "combined arms unit" all in one compact package jump capable armed with anything from knives up to small tactical nukes. The navy even more so i would say since they required higher IQ to enlist and technical expertise. Now the movie may have done silly things because of the budget and the technology available but don't mix the two versions. The movie does a very poor job of depicting the books universe.
So, we can exit the ship and deorbit. Landing systems are really heavy, though. Which should we use? Retro thrust? Wings and wheels? Parachutes? Nah, just use lithobreaking, they'll be fine.
@@PWingert1966 probably the Roche Limit? I suspect the more mass the better, it may make deceleration take longer as the craft bores a new crater, like the crumple zone on cars.
The Halo SOEIV's do decelerate to a degree before impact and their occupants are lightly augmented to better allow for impact survival, still a hard hit into the ground though.
And even then, it’s basically a matter of luck your pod doesn’t mushroom as soon as your hit the ground. I’d imagine that if humans can make something like the Dawn just float above a desert, they can slow the decent of a one-man pod.
@@austinhinton3944 In one of the novels, one ODST Squad DOES have one of their team lose their shute during reentry, and the squad leader cuts off her com unit as she started screaming because there was nothing to be done; she was already dead as the impact would kill her. ‘Carving your own grave’ was the term used IIRC, and a danger all ODST face.
I was looking for this comment, trying to figure out how to word it. A 1100 pound pod (plus occupant and gear) won't need a lot of momentum to pound a crater out. I've seen blocks of wood a fifth that weight punch nasty craters in the lawn that we then have to fix. Double the pod mass with a mongoose or a Spartan...big bang.
@LOAN NGUYEN and Spartans dropping drom space alone are a thing that happend all the time. Cant count how many times Master Chief just dropped from Space and was totally fine xD
I really like the take in clone wars where they use the same method NASA did with the discovery/opportunity mars probes. Having a massive airbag that inflates just before landing. It would make sense since it's a pretty much uncontrolable pod landing on likely very uneven terrain.
And maybe the escape pod could use it's limited propulsion to maneuver itself towards a rescue ship, or to prevent itself from hitting debris from the ship or other escape pods.
I think the problem was more that it had two *rockets* as thrusters, attached to the bottom of the ship, making it so you can only go left or right, depending on which rocket ran out first
The Starship Troopers Handbook: Lesson 1: Train Recruits with live ammunition it teaches them to scream medic when one of their allies gets killed. Lesson 2: Let a rookie pilot your cruiser into a asteroid. Because we said so and if you’re 18 you can pilot our starship. Lesson 3: Mobile Infantry is a meat shield we send them into battle with only a rifle a helmet and body armor. Lesson 4: Make sure your fleet of starships that carrying thousands of lives stay tight close together. Lesson 5: Escapes pods are only two seaters so make sure you leave most of your friends behind to ensure your survival. Lesson 6: Make sure you get promoted after your commanding officer gets killed in combat. Follow these six steps and you will survive in Federation! Remember to earn Citizenship is by serving in the Federation. Would you like to know more?
You do realize like half of those are things like every military on the planet does right? Like we give 18 year olds tanks, drones and the people the usual in charge of steering destroyer have as much training as Carmen. Calling for medic when ur buddy is dead happens in live combat. Field promotions are a real thing. The ships that landed people on Normandy were about as far apart and sending troops in with subpar equipment is normal. When we invaded Iraq the marines had forest camo chem suits and a whole list of other supply problems. Hell the British issued assault rifles that were so shitty they all ended up using aks.
You are allowed to ignore Lesson 4 if the director has a wide-angle lens and can afford to build a bigger green screen stage. But doing so may affect your performance for the next two lessons.
Um, 4 makes sense. Sharing each other's defenses. But in terms of the movie, since they apparently couldn't use defensive fire against the big weapons, makes no sense. At that point you spread out, so they can't spam your tight formation with fire that will hit something.
@@icecold9511 B-17s and B24s did that in ww2. It was called the box formation in daylight bombing raids. 240,000 allied air crew lost their lives in 1943 alone.
“I need to get out of here”! “Are you a pilot”? Err No. well sucks to be you!
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"Why would this have rockets and mounted to rails?" Director: "Because if their well-designed, how can I introduce unneeded calamity in the middle of an evacuation?"
You know if the glass can take a flight through a mountain its not really a weakness is it. Hell that canopy seems more durable than the capital ships do
Pod 2 struck an object with its side. Pod 1 struck objects with its nose cone. That's why Pod 1 survived. You see, unlike the rest of the escape pod, the nose cone is constructed from hardened steel instead of dynamite.
Next do a 20 minute analyzes of the practicality of the coed showers. Edit: this was a joke at the expense of Spacedock for being a nerd and over analyzing things that are just meant to be silly fun. I have never, nor will I ever be offended by anything. I think that they should make a squeal that is set entirely in the coed showers.
You also need to manually pilot them, meaning that if you're trying to escape, you better be a pilot or good friends with one! So I guess nuts to anyone working in the engine room!
@@allangibson8494 that's true however he said engineers and they would probably be as good if not better because you need to know how things work go fix them, I know !.
I always assumed that she switched to manual because she WAS a hotshot pilot. It would be less believable if she let it automatically crashed into the debris or the planet without manual intervention.
I've always been a fan of that blue energy shockwave when the engines blow. Just something so cool about that shot, I always made sure to include something like that when writing my space combat stories growing up.
They look cool............but how do you get fire in space? Fire needs oxygen to work, and there's a distinct lack of air in space which means all the air in the ship would get sucked out in a minute or less, causing all the fires to get extinguished.
@1:45 you say the room has space for 3 pods, but you can see a 4th one launching in the background & we can't see either side wall in the shot. When it goes to the exterior shot @3:45, you can see 6 pod hatches.
yeah, still terrible design. presumably there would be new pods loaded as ones launch but that means you are sending your crew out in tiny lots of an extended period of time.. in a situation where every second will count. also note the lack of any facilities in those pods for long duration survival.. so these are not something you would want to use if your ships explodes and you aren't anywhere near a planet.
@@glitterboy2098 I suspect the escape pods were like the life boats on the Titanic. Not very useful if the boat goes down in the middle of the ocean with no way of communicating with nearby ships and with no supplies on each boat.
With the 40k drop pods they at least have the excuse that the only people who use them are super humans in power armor, or a superhuman in fluid suspension.
Star Wars has crash fields (basically overloaded omnidirectional internal repulsors) that basically just prevent anything inside the ship from moving for about two seconds.
The whole movie is a piss-take, and so are their pods, as evidenced by the pod derailing and exploding. You can't mock anything more than it mocks itself - but good video anyway, needed a laugh :)
I imagine that, if we're going to overthink this, in-universe it started out as a sensible design, housing a lot of people and simply decoupling. Then some of the generals started giving "constructive feedback" - like that the pods should be housed behind armour, another threw in the jets so it could "land", someone disliked the "coffinlike design"... 30 years later they got this monstrosity. But nobody cared, since the starships will kill anything that can damage them anyway. You know, like in Pentagon Wars.
@@goyoelburro The book, while still social commentary, is much more serious exploration of those issues. The more satirical aspects of the movie are all Verhoeven
What? One escape pod can blow the top of a mountain of and break through a cave wall, without killing its passengers or taking any significant damage. But the other one explodes after falling of rails with 0.5 km/h?
That one still had propellant in it. Also; the second escape pod doesn't actually blow up entirely - as far as I can see, the guys inside are still there, it's just the part with engine that goes off. Now; I'm sure this was probably more because of H&S on set and the lack of ability at the time to add Hollywood Napalm™ in post and make it look good than any intentional thought on the part of the filmmaker, but it checks out.
"That is mostly glass." Or ALON, look it up. It's an incredibly strong material.....also, the escape pod crash landing after taking all that damage contradicts the other shuttle that simply exploding by sliding off the rails.
Pretty sure they slow down a hell of a lot more than is shown in the cutscene. It has the drag chute that slows it somewhat but also braking rockets that fire in the last 50 meters. Dunno if it'd work in reality but it's a little more realistic than just hitting the ground unharmed
Honestly I can forgive this in most settings with magic gravity, as long as it’s powerful enough, and precise enough you could ostensibly create a magic gravity field pulling upwards to counteract the momentum of the occupant right as it hits the ground.
@@the11382 You probably need something with about the same power of Draco engine. Not even the super Draco. Draco can still change orbit and also de-orbit. Now with Future tech sure you could make it every small and effective with that amount of power.
@Grendel Hex the concept of "alpha and beta" is a myth, lol. Even the guy who LITERALLY wrote the book on it said he was wrong but the public didnt want to hear that part of the tale
Actually a boosted escape pod rather than just "let go off" makes a lot of sense. If you're in combat and your vessel are about to explode.. You'd really want to be as far away as possible. The farther away, the lower the chance that both the explosion itself and shrapnel will hit you. Naturally.. This could've been much better designed than in this movie :P
The weirdest thing about Starship Troopers is that Robert Heinlein was completely serious about the story. He was advocating for a military-fascist society where only people participating in the establishment would be allowed to vote, thus ensuring the establishment would never ever be challenged. I do have to give him credit for making the idea more appealing to young men by promising there would be millions of athletic women strutting around naked whenever possible, though. Hell, even I might be willing to tolerate that kind of society if athletic women actually took advantage of the opportunity to strut around naked in front of me.
@@deusexaethera Yes, the man who fought Nazis was pro-facist. Keep telling yourself that. Also, what the heck your you talking about with "promising there would be millions of athletic women strutting around naked" like there was anything of the sort in the book? I guess you're in the same camp as Verhoeven and decided to never read the book.
Spacedock isn't trying to tell you Starship Troopers is a flawed film but Starship Troopers is a flawed but very awesome film..... "you're squad leader now, you're it until you die or I find someone better"
@@hafor2846 Satire only works if it's recognizable. If the film wasn't specifically *named* "Starship Troopers", you'd never know it had anything to do with the book.
This is literally the point. Starship troopers is a satirical movie that was making fun of right-wing militarism in governments. The whole point was that everything was extremely inefficient, expensive and convoluted.
More people should read the book it was amazing. The movie doesn't share anything in common with the book other than the name and basic "kil bugs lol" setting.
The Halo escape pods you mentioned actually have a complex system for keeping the person alive when it impacts. The person needs to have enhancements done to them to allow for suspension and some other thing I forget the name of to happen in order to ensure the human body does not crush. Also, the pods do have a system for slowing their fall but it ejects the fins from it a short ways from the ground (for some reason? not sure why) so the final impact is not at terminal velocity. The system for this I believe is based on the Covenant drop pods, much like the Spartan Laser was developed as a result of studying Covenant energy weapons ans the outer shields on the Spartan Mjolnir armor is also based of studying the energy shields on covenant troops so who really knows what all is going on behind the scenes.
You are correct. The Drop Pods (SOEIVs for the official name) do have systems that slow the fall. These systems include a metal deployable drag chute braking system consisting of four flat metal fins that get deployed from the top to slow the fall. The second system is a set of thrusters used as a way to further slow it down and as a maneuvering aid. It can also be used to move the pod post-landing to a better/more secure location. Post-war variants have better systems do further slow the fall and protect their occupants.
The height of expandability in any navy is how large are the escape pods, how many you have, and how durable they are. If your army is going to send wave after wave of foot infantry in without intelligence or targets then it's not surprising that the escape pods are reserved for higher ranked individuals.
I think there are 4 main things you must do while making a scape pod: 1 make it fast to access and launch, you don’t want to stay for too long in a spaceship that is being scrapped by guns in the middle of space. 2 make it compact, it shouldn’t occupy too much space and also you will need a lot of them, so they should be cheap to produce and small to also make sure they are hard to hit by enemy fire. 3 make sure that the pod has food, oxigen, water and anything else you need to stay alive for a while, as well as making sure it allows the person to leave the pod and enter freely in space, you don’t want to land on planets because 90% of them will kill you almost instantly. 4 make sure it has a radio or anything else that makes it easier for your people to find you, you don’t want to stay stranded in space for too long
They are overconfident, they thought they were just fighting a bunch of stupid bugs and so they didn't need good designs for escape pods. Kinda like the Titanic being "Unsinkable"
1:26 The pods being rocket-powered kindof makes sense if the goal was for the pods to get away from the ship as quickly as possible before it explodes and shreds nearby things with shrapnel.
I always have to wonder whether it's worth having escape pods at all in certain cases. A drop ship can offer similar, if not better survivability with it's greater defensive and offensive capabilities, better movement control, and what I'd imagine as greater capacity per ship. Escape pods seem to only exist to mask the fleeing crew in the wreckage, or maybe it's just to save the crew from the travel distance between the higher decks and the shipyard. Drop pods always facinate me as well. They aren't escape pods and serve as rapid deployment of single soldiers to a planets surface. The assumption is that if a ship can shoot down a drop ship with an entire squad, maybe they will miss a small personal drop pod. The impact should, and apparently does kill many hell jumpers apparently. My best guess on how they are suppose to work is that the pod is designed to take the impact, as well as divert the force away from the occupant, while somehow stopping the occupant from dying from the sudden stop in itself. In Halo I personally think it has to do with this gell that apparently coats Spartan armor. It's the reason that Chief survives the freefall in Halo 3. In ODST I believe they use similar tech in their armor, minus the shield and much of the more risky implants the Spartans undergo. The Gel though should be easily implemented. The reason hell jumpers do die though would have to then be because they lack metal coated bones like Spartans. So if the impact surpasses a certain forced, and or the pod doesn't deploy properly, the soldier risks death no matter what. Sorry for the long post I have a tendency to write and add to the original thought while still typing. Love Sci Fi tech but I like to try and think about in story excuses for why they are made in the way they are made.
I always like it when ships have a combination of escape pods and auxiliary vessels for use as lifeboats. So in the event they have to abandon ship, everyone gets into the nearest space worthy thing, and the lifeboats can later be used to retrieve drifting pods.
I loved the scene in ST where some ships had limped back to Ticonderoga but we're too damaged to dock for various reasons and had just come to rest on the station. Great concept and great CGI. It was all they could do to get back to the station
Actually I'm surprise you never brought up this what happen when a plasma torpedo hits a UNSC vessel as it will spread unless you vent the air to cut it out as we see the fire spread to the forward half of the Roger Young feeding by the air but given the damage likely unable to seal off the entire ship to keep air from feeding the fire
That escape room was probably a repurposed missile room. There were probably more pods stored fully fueled and ready to go along the walls or ceiling. Just imagine the fun when they start crashing onto the people bells from all the damage...
On the idea of having your escape pod have engines, maybe you want to make sure that you can move from the ship that is currently falling apart and exploding and not be right next to it. And the being close to the disaster for search and rescue to have an easier time, is made irrelevant due to emergency beacons broadcasting a signal that can be located. You don’t want to be right next to the disaster, you want to be a safe distance away to give you a better chance of survival, and to be safe for search and rescue teams to be able to pick you up. You don’t need to be able to de-orbit, just escape the issue.
Also with rockets you would want those to be able to escape when the power fails. An escape pod should be a completely self-contained system since in an emergancy you don't know what will work and what won't. It needs to do it's job without the assistance of any other parts.
The Earth government can fly thousands of massive spaceships faster than light. So, why not just fly a single one at the speed of light into the bug planet. The energy released would probably create a nuclear winter and wipe out all life on the planet. Job done with a single ship. Alternatively they could rig and asteroid a few miles across to hit the planet at a few hundred thousand miles per hour, again nuclear winter, job done. Film over and done in only 5 minutes.
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well, the "bugs" were very good at BURROWING, so they could survive underground for a LONG time. in the original novel, someone said the the queen bugs hid so deep that even a "burrowing H-Bomb" might not be able to reach them!
@ The resultant nuclear winter would break the food chain on the planet and almost certainly kill all the larger life forms. The winter would probably last for years and the humans could reproduce the attack again and again, effectively leaving the planet in perpetual winter. This would result in the death of all life on the planet.
"Just an amazing looking movie....but if you think that'll stop me from mocking its silly escape pods, you're dead wrong." lmao. This movie is massively underrated. The satire is top notch and knowing that the source material wasn't meant to be satirical makes it even better.
having engines of some kind does make a bit of sense, if only to steer around chunks of debris from a ship that's falling apart, and attempting to de-orbit, but the addition of a chute and heat shield would make more sense than a glass canopy. Love that you used the Spaceball-1 escape pod as a "better example"
The pods are definitely way too small, especially for a ship that size. One of the things I've learned playing survival mode in Space Engineers is managing ship mass (for a multitude of reasons), and having lots of 1 or 2 man escape pods makes little sense for a large crew compared to a larger escape pod that can fit say 10 to 20 people (though you never really need that many in Space Engineers), or on an even larger ship, you may want pods that can fit up to 50 people. The material needed to make a whole bunch of small containers is just gonna be more than if you make a larger container, and more material means more mass. More mass means less acceleration, less maneuverability, higher cost, and generally a larger profile presenting a larger target and requiring more added armor which in turn adds more mass. So you use more fuel, lose performance, and become an easier target when going with individual pods compared to larger pods. The only benefits of smaller pods is they are harder to hit (though not particularly if weapons are radar and computer targeted), there are more of them creating safety in numbers, and due to individually having less mass, it takes less force and distance to decelerate them. So on a small ship with only a few or a dozen crew, small escape pods make sense, but on a ship with thousands or more crew, large escape pods are far superior for evacuation. As for piloting such a craft, who's to say learning to pilot an escape pod isn't part of training? Anyone who works on an aircraft carrier, what's your input on that? Does the Navy train you to use a modern lifeboat and the deployment system, or are there people specifically trained to operate them, and you just have to hope they carry out their duties in the event of a catastrophe? Seems to me space ships would be managed very similarly to naval ships regarding training and the duties expected of you once aboard, so however lifeboats are handled today would probably be fairly similar to future space faring "navies."
Maybe they hadn't counted on the ships being cut in half and most of the evacuees would be aboard the drop ships like the one used to pick up Rico Suave and his survivors.
I'd expect a space age escape pod to be fully automated, also, why would it need to make complex maneuvers as someone else claimed? just as any lifeboat, it protects you until someone picks you up.
I agree. There's 2 major points to escape pods that should always be respected: * there's no point to an escape pod having a propoulsion system other than small thrusters allowing it to manouver on orbit to avoid being hit by a major debree, * the most important part is the hull being able to withstand up to 10G, to protect the crew inside - the forces above that would kill the crew anyway so the escape pod may simply be destroyed and it doesn't matter.
I'd disagree on pods not having thrust, factoring out the silly notion of 'minimum safe distance' because ships aren't really made of explodium, you'd probably want some thrust to stabilize your orbit, if nothing else. There's no guarantee that your orbit is stable or circular after an emergency escape, you could also use thrust to have your lifeboats meet up post ejection or to avoid collisions with the unholy amount of debris created by a space battle. As for planetary landing, I'd also disagree on it being a wholly bad idea. Depending on what you're orbiting above, it might be better than floating in space with whatever realistically fits in a lifeboat. If nothing else, most regolith tends to have useable water content. Having the option to land is probably not bad overall, especially if you happen to eject into a sub-orbital trajectory you have no hope of pulling out of due to DV constraints. Speaking of under-sized/seated escape systems though, IMO the life-pods in subnautica are some of the best I've seen, barring that they only seat two each. There's at least room for 6, maybe more. But having RTGs and survival gear onboard is something a lot of life-boats seem to be missing in many Scifi franchises. How quickly can you realistically expect to be found in space? On the other-end, you have the escape pods in Trek, which are definitely over-engineered. Like hotel-rooms with every amenity you could want and trans-finite power and resources.
Those 3 escape pods are enough to save the main cast onboard, and can be glass go-karts because plot armor. It's hard to notice how everything having boosters and exploding is silly once you've watched some Michael Bay's movies :3
I remember a D20 where it mentioned escape pods came in two main varieties. First was the classic barrel. Had enough food and water for three people to last a week I think. The other was much bigger and deemed a "lifeboat" that had enough supplies for 10 people to last nearly a month and a decent sublight engine, so you could reach a planet so long as it wasn't on the far side of the system you were in.
