The Summoner and Prosecutor are both amazing. Which is better? 

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But what if the summoner summons the defendant?

Nah the Prosecutor has Legal Action TOO...

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Ok that's gold

This auto rifle is MELTING players go FARM it NOW

The "surprised face" thumbnails are so cringey😂

"Prosecutor is the best auto rifle in the game!" * same youtuber 2 weeks later... "YOU are wrong, Here's why ammit is actually better than prosecutor!"

Same. Already have over 3k kills with it in pve since getting it not too long ago. It's basically replaced my mini tool.

I like heal clip, but I switched to a crafted Drang with enhanced incandescent and…wow.

I've been farming lost sectors for that. Heal clip and frenzy is my roll rn

You'll love it even more when you get heal clip and kill clip.

yeah same ngl i got heal clip frenzy

I also pair the Zen Moment roll with Cyrtarachne's Facade and it feels like flinch is barely even in the game. It's great.

how do you get it?

@@dmark_ it’s a vanguard weapon, so get some vanguard engrams and focus away

@@dmark_ just play some strikes and you can focus a lot of them. got my godroll (zen/tricorn for me) within an hour. its better than prosecutor for me since the scope is so much nicer

Try Tunnel Vision/Killclip. Get 1 kill, get another 1 or 2 for free

Zen moment makes it a beam and lets you use adept range to have competitive range

I got a few roles, limited use but the one roll with ricochet rounds seemed to make the most difference regardless of range/stability perks. Need more time to play with it😅

Summoner in particular also just never had much recoil, coming from a controller player. Original Rangefinder rolls probably helped a bit at first, but even outside of that, it barely moves.

Yeah. I felt it when he said his biggest PVP struggle is just "hitting shots", like for real man

@@Insetik47 Also the mention of controlling recoil. as someone who plays console and is a very average pvp player I feel that. It's why ive always loved 450's so much, and on top of that always going for any roll which optimizes recoil / stability over other stats in most cases as well as over damage perks

​@@papaspaulding just use zen moment it fixes all the recoil

@@seanspursss I usually do on any weapon which rolls with zen it's a 'go to' although some weapons if can roll with super high stability can perform better (90+) as it feels like having a constant 2-3 stacks of zen at all times. such as one or two rolls of positive outlook I have as well as my 96 stability firefright. there is near zero reticule bounce at all times and feels like a laser beam. Zen can feel a little bit rough on odd occasions if playing higher skilled players and made to miss a couple of shots here and there being hit with sudden recoil whilst tracking can be jarring, it's why even with zen i still aim for as high stability as possible if not making too big a compromise on range. But yeah in short I do love zen moment

That seems like a winning combo. Ricochet rounds and arrowhead and I’d consider it a god roll.

I’d recommend heal clip onslaught since it’s not stated but onslaught will increase reload speed and since your burning through your mag it synergies very well

Heal clip kill clip is insane in pvp I always go crazy but zen moment target lock goes crazy too

YEP got a zen moment golden tricorn roll, and I tried it out last night with athrys’ it’s actually insanely fun and effective

I definitely was thinking about this. Not only Athrys, but Peregrine Greaves if you're a Titan enjoyer, plus Dawnblade players pick up powered melee kills on the regular too even if they're less likely to build specifically into it.

Got a adept one today with heal/kill clip and golden tricorn and I think it’s really nice since I ability spam as my solar AR

Idk man, ive been smacking with my prosecutor with keep away and target lock.

I just Turn off chat. Folks freak out in trials

@@travissteele6239 Ain't that the truth

Maybe don't be ass

never ever ever turn on open messaging on an online video game

@@bakbanb How about you control your shitty attitude you baby

You can do it!! It will never be easier then now. You can use persistence to get an adept or Wealth to just get drops and focus engrams for different rolls.

I said the same, I'm garbage at pvp. I got an adept summoner and adept incisor last week with the persistence card. Give it a try.

@@derek3154 It’s an auto rifle lmao. No amount of some of the worst PvP in the entirety of gaming is worth that. Guarantee 99% of these will be vaulted and never touched again

@@carebearkj4320 it’s not For everyone, I’m Just starting to get into Trials and I’ve been playing since Taken king D1🥴.

All of the guns mentioned here are also energy slot weapons. Maybe that's why? Breakneck's a great auto, so is Lethal Abundance, so is Horror Story, so is Rufus' Fury even.

​@life-destiny1196 on that note so is tigerspite, so is breytech werewolf, so yeah no reason to talk about kinetics

@@tankingkinga.ka.re5megamon909 Onslaught's a beast, I disagree on Breakneck

​@@life-destiny1196 I would argue Rufus is the best auto in the game.

IMO, I don't expect a direct heal clip nerf, but I could see some sort of cure nerf which would impact it indirectly. Solar subclasses are still really, really survivable in PVE, while also packing some of the most valuable supers in the game and potent wave clear tools too. Resto x1 feels like it's finally down to a point where you can have it and still feel threatened by high level PVE enemies, but resto x2 is still really potent. Having cure on top of that can feel like a lot, especially compared to what other subclasses get for their sustain which is pretty minimal by comparison.

Heal Clip/Onslaught is the chase on that gun, yeah. I'm actually a bit of an Onslaught hater, as it just makes me feel like I'm running through my mags super fast (part of why I was one of the minority upset when Xenophage got reverted to 120RPM), but unlike other damage perks not named Frenzy it also helps with reload speed, which I'm more than happy to take advantage of with Heal Clip. I'm still procrastinating on queueing up though LOL. I know Persistence is a thing now, but it's hard to talk myself into playing Trials.

Honestly if you’re going to be using it in PvE, the normal version is fine so there’s no rush to get it. Additionally both versions will be enhanceable in the Final Shape, so it’s definitely worth going after. And from using Heal Clip and Onslaught, it’s absolutely worth going after

@@life-destiny1196persistence wasn’t bad, just have to put 2 wins in a row together to take a step towards an adept. Can always use passage of wealth and get drops then focus engrams for the non adept summoner🦾

Most hunters have 100 mobility/recovery/intellect for PvP - at least 80 mobility and use your dodge in place of high resilience so the recovery is higher priority and intellect to get your super fast.

@@derek3154 What do you mean by use dodge in place of high resil?

@@Davetheguitarhero108 to evade when your taking damage instead of tanking like a Titan.

I agree with this man

Zen Moment's anti-flinch effect is really potent--you're there for that, not for the stability per se, though it can help too. As for stuff like Tap the Trigger or DSR, you can read more detailed perk information on d2foundry (or the Destiny Data Compendium, which is where sites like that and lightgg get those detailed descriptions) and use that to decide. For example DSR essentially gives you one stability per bullet up to 10, which isn't all that much, but it also comes with hefty accuracy cone benefits which can help you land shots at range or while hipfiring. Perpetual Motion gives you 10 to 20 stability while moving, and you're probably going to have at least one stack most of the time, so you can apples-to-apples that a bit more clearly (plus it benefits handling and reload speed, but those have less to do with you landing your shots than stability or accuracy or AA).

Full bore,richo,zen 4 th column is preference but the best one I'd say is onslaught cause it's instant ttk shift which can carry over with spray transfers, range mw range mod. 80 range 33.20drop off directly competing with 140s and ammit. Ammit can get 34m with full bore but it has 15 zoom so it's not longer sticky at that range and you are wasting stats. Zen moment is mandatory unless you run smallbore to compensate, recoil direction is whatever the base value is vertical for me so is 64. And yes you can feel the difference between 68 and 75/80 range since every 5 range is 1 full meter.

At a glance it looked like Imperial Decree, yeah, though I wasn't paying much attention. Those who don't have it can focus Defiant Engrams from S20 activities and pray for good RNG (also where you get the Opulent class sword patterns these days).

@life-destiny1196 I have it crafted I just have literally never used it, might have to give it a go :)

@@Captain_Yata It's probably the best in slot legendary PVP shotgun, unless you have a godroll Fractethyst from forever ago or you prefer lightweights (in which case go Riiswalker or Swordbreaker) or slugs (in which case go Heritage). If you have an exotic weapon choice available and own it, Conditional Finality is ridiculously good so just use that. You want Threat Detector to fix the bad aggressive frame handling and Opening Shot to add more range; though Surplus, Slideshot, and Snapshot are reasonable alternatives if you really like any of those perks (one stack of Threat Detector is better than two of Surplus with respect to handling, FWIW). Tweak the barrel mag and MW until you find a balance you like there.

Nah cause these 2 autos are in the .6 ttk camp with their damage perks not actually requiring a kill either makes them leagues above the rest