Atheist said he had to go catch a train... then next minute he's seen In the background debating.. lol he couldn't handle the heat. Not even in the snow
Quran, chapter 7 verse 146: "Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right - them will I turn away from My signs: Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them; and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way; but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt. For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them."
Book of Atheist, chapter 8 verse 69: "And he who arrogantly tells you that you must believe, even without evidence, is living in denial and ignorance. Ask upon him, why out of the thousands of man made gods, he believes blindly in the one who his family has told him to believe in. Yes, a man of god must need a Shepard to keep him in line , for a man of god is a sheep and does not indulge in thinking" Richard Dawkins, peace be upon him.
Anthony Felix Quran, chapter 2 verse 256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." There's no "you must believe" in Islam, whether you believe in god or not that's up to you, and whether you believe or not that doesn't change the fact that this universe didn't happen by coincidence and definitely didn't make itself.
@@thevigilant266 you have no evidence to prove whether the universe made itself or not. If you believe the universe had to be made because everything needs something to create it , who created the creator? And who is the creator.. Allah, god , the juju on the mountain? You can throw as many quotes from a fictiouus book all you want but it doesn't convince rational thinkers.
Anthony Felix First of all, you need to be deeply thinking in the rational in order for you to come to a conclusion that there's a creator. YES, there are millions of people who believe in god just because they grew up in a religious environment, but that's not all-time case. There are thousands of atheists who reverted to Islam after deep studies and deep thinking. Second of all, if the creator is created then how that makes him a creator? The universe has to be caused by an uncaused being. Look, you can call yourself a scientist or rational or whatever you wanna call yourself, but you must know that rational people are open minded to discuss other people respectfully and understand different point of views of others. Coming towards people arrogantly won't do you any good, it only consumes your credibility. For the sake of discussion, can you explain how and why this universe existed?
Anthony Felix Watch this discussion between a smart atheist and a smart Muslim in the speaker's corner. The discussion is split into two parts Part 1 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VXj5nrLjAr8.html Part 2 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f3263oZIeLs.html
How is that different from any muslim this fellow would meet. Virtually ALL theists insist, WITHOUT EVIDENCE, that their personal relationship with their god, is all that there is; and IS true. This is the dishonest starting point of conversations with religious adherents.
If the answer from the atheist is “it simply is” and he’s satisfied waking up each day with that conclusion, then why can’t he be satisfied with god simply saying “be”
Subhan Allah, i wanted to listen more to that last fellow. He seemed knowledgeable. Rather calm as well. He was asking interesting questions without seemingly making hasty assumptions. Besides Dawah, i love it when debates somehow sometimes lead to an open-minded discussion where both parties have something enriching & thought-provoking to share. :)
Truthfully, can you really just rely upon random events to process everything in our life as how your science goes to explain the origins of our universe when in fact they also uses random as an answer for the argument which is childish.....can i say that 2 + 6 randomly equals to 600? No so dont make it as facts! The life we hace here is not some random thing...
@@firzanwolfred6112 Comparing maths to the randomness of the universe is like comparing weighing a puppy to a volcanic explosion. We don't know if the universe certainly is random, but we don't know for sure. Even if it wasn't random, that doesn't necessitate God. We don't need God to explain gravity or rain do we? If the universe is random, that's fine. A forest fire can occur randomly can it not? Does it require God? No.
"I don't know" The most honest answer one can ever give. It's a common answer because there are things in this world we don't know yet. To claim you know something without evidence Is the same as lying.
Or as I like to call it, an honest answer. Nothing wrong with admitting you don't have an answer to a question rather than just relying on faith, which is the belief in something in the absence of proof...
Not backing anyone up here, and not bashing either side. “I don’t know” is a better response than copping out to God on everything you don’t understand. That God cop out doesn’t work anymore. Atheists have disproven God more than a couple times. The other side has done nothing but lose credibility. Until there is factual evidence on both sides, I can’t take a side.
This Muslim with the ufc hat seems like a lot of my Muslim friends. Intelligent ( although I don’t believe in the Koran at all ) interesting and very respectful of others opinions which is very important. More of the Muslim men on here should take a leaf out of his book. 👍🏻
The Elite Killa Hey there I also have a lot of Muslim friends and they are very respectful of others and thoughts. I do not believe in god but I honestly have no issues with people if they choose to. Here on RU-vid you get slot of Muslim claiming that religion is the only way (Christians also) and that without god people are bad. I just think that people or myself for example don’t need a religion to make me s better human being. It should just come naturally.
The Qur'an is God's Words: In the name of Allah(God), The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. All besides those believers who have pure faith, irrespective of which religious background they claim to have come from, merely a single sign would suffice them to believe in the existence of One God, whether it be a sign concerning a scientific phenomenon or any other sign. Where as, on the other hand, there are people who would never believe even if a thousand signs are presented to them, such people would never accept faith and as such they are the Rejectors; there may be a third sect/group/category of people who may be convinced if proper efforts are made, either by means of science and technology, or by reasoning and with logic or by any other technique. As today is the age of science and technology, the best approach we have is the use of scientifically proven and established facts, excluding hypotheses and theories (which lack solid evidence) in order to convince an atheist or an agnostic or any other individual who may not believe that the Qur'an is the revelation of God, as no human being could ever mention such scientific facts in the Qur'an, 14 centuries back which the humanity has unveiled/discovered very recently,with the help of rapidly growing technology and the advances made by the modern scientific world. Majority of the people who disagree with the fact that the Qur'an has been sent down by God, revealed to the last and final messenger and servant of God, i.e. prophet Mohammad (pbuh), when asked about the reason they disbelieve, what they come up with is that they falsely claim that the Qur'an must have been written by prophet Mohammad himself as they do not have any better explanation for not believing in the Qur'an or Allah. With the help of mathematics, we can refute their baseless claim (that Muhammad is the author of the Qur'an, they even fail to realise that he was an Ummi,i.e. he was unlettered/illiterate!). Nevertheless,even for the sake of an argument, let us be kind enough to give them a benefit of doubt, and say that may be, prophet Muhammad wrote the Qur'an (though we never agree!). Now we shall refute their false claim with the help of what we know in mathematics as 'The Probability Theory'. Probability is basically concerned with the likelihood or the chance of something happening/taking place or not happening for which we make certain guesses/flukes or predictions at random and calculate the chance of our choice or guess coming true as a number or percentage. Probability has a range of 0-1. Having a probability of 0 implies the impossibility of the occurence of the event we are dealing with, on the other hand, probability of 1 means that the event is sure to occur, thus affirming a 100% possibility of the occurrence of the event we are dealing with. Any number in between would indicate that the event may either occur or not. For example,if you toss or flip a coin(fair), there are(a total of), two possibilities, it may either land up with a head or tail, whatever choice you make the mathematical chance/probability of your guess being rightat random is 1 out of 2,i.e. 1/2 or 50%. Further, if you have a die (having 6 faces) and you roll it, the chance of your guess-number coming on the top is 1/6 as there are a total of 6 distinct choices to make. Similarly,if you roll the die 2 times in succession/consecutively or roll two dice simultaneously (both yield the same result, these are termed as 'independent events' meaning that the two (or more) events have no influence/impact on one another; they yield independent results) what you'll see is, the probability of both your choices being right at the same time is merely (1/6)×(1/6) i.e. 1/36 which is < 3%. Now,if you roll the die 3 times successively,the chance of you making the right choice all three times,just at random is (1/6)×(1/6)×(1/6) i.e. 1/216 which is < 0.5%. Let us now consider the compound event of tossing the coin 2 times and rolling the die 4 times,the probability of you making the correct choices all 6 times is therefore (1/2)×(1/2)×(1/6)×(1/6)×(1/6)×(1/6)=(1/2)^2 × (1/6)^4 =(1/4)×(1/1296)=1/5184 which is ~ 0.02%. Let me generalize the method for you. If you repeat an experiment for n different times and all of which must deal with independent events as in our case here, fortunately; and you have a probability of, say 'p' for each of the individual events and of course 0 < p < 1. Now you want to calculate the probability of you making the correct choice all 'n' times i.e. each time you making the right choice without a single mistake.. It is p^n,i.e. 'p' raised to the power of 'n'. For those who are good at maths, they can readily see that this number, p^n quickly reaches 0 when |p| < 1 and n is let increase!! Praise be to Allah SWT,all the Qur'anic verses that talk about scientific phenomena can be modelled as ' the independent events' in this very analysis of ours. And the holy Qur'an contains more than 1,000 (out of more than 6,000 verses in total) verses which speak about science. And more than 800 of which have already been supported by established scientific facts. 1. For example, the Qur'an says that the light of the moon is not its own light but rather, it is the reflected light of the sun (the moon reflects the light from the sun onto the earth), for this one people (at the time of the revelation of the Qur'an,i.e. at the time of the prophet) could have made two choices (if they were asked, hypothetically) i.e. the light of the moon could be the light of its own or it could be the borrowed light of the sun. 2. Similarly, the Qur'an talks about the spherical shape (more accurately, the geo-spherical shape, as the earth is slightly flattened at the poles and slightly bulging out at the equatorial region,i.e. the 'circle of maximum diameter'). People could have thought of various shapes for the earth such as flat, triangular,rectangular etc. So, lfor this particular one, the number of choices would be more than 2. 3. The Qur'an states that the Sun also rotates (about its own axis)...people couldn't even have thought of this, at the time of the prophet as this one is a very very recent discovery, we came to know about this hardly a few decades earlier. So even for this particular one, there would be 2 choices to make, the Sun may either rotate or not! (For the sake of argument only!) 4. The Qur'an talks, in a nutshell, about the birth of our universe which the scientists today call the Big Bang, it may be right or wrong. ..So for this too, we would have 2 choices. 5. The Qur'an talks about the interstellar matter, called 'plasma' by the scientists. Again, could be right or wrong. ..So 2 choices for this too. 6. The Qur'an states that our universe has been expanding. Again, could be right or wrong. .So for this too, we have 2 choices. And so on.. The Qur'an talks about scientific phenomena,over and over again, for more than 1,000 times. Each verse which talk about a scientific phenomenon, can be attributed a number of choices we can think of, as above. These choices vary, from 2 (which is the least/minimum number of choices) to larger numbers, for instance,in the case of the earth, we could think of more than a dozen of possible shapes! Let's restrict ourselves to 2 (as the number of choices), clearly seeing that even the least number of choices would give us the desired result and if we consider more number of choices, we get to the result even more quickly. As a challenge to the people, I'll prove my logic even with the least number of choices as the Qur'an, with no doubts, is the book of God. Proceeding with 2 choices as the flukes/guesses for each of the verses which speak about science, what we find is, the probability or the mathematical chance of one making the correct choice all 800 times, i.e. making the right choice for each of the verses each and every single time is... Using, probability = p^n with p = 1/2 and n = 800... Probability(P) = (1/2)^800 = 1/(2)^800 The number 2^800, i.e. 2 raised to the power of 800 is a very huge number though it may not appear so, so huge that the number 1/(2)^800 is literally negligible and is considered 0 (zero/nill) in practical mathematics. The number of choices that could be thought of,for the scientific verses of the Qur'an is not merely 2 as we have used above!! We could've used more than 2 choices in which case we'd have arrived at the answer of 0 even more quickly. So,even in the most probable case (using the least number of choices, i.e.2), the probability of the scientific verses being written in the noble Qur'an by (any) a human being is 0. The Qur'an,thus,can never be the work of a human. It must have come from a divine source. The only being Who could mention such facts in the Qur'an must be the Creator Himself Who possesses All The Knowledge. Peace be on you all.
@Casey Mays If you don'k know, how do you know there is no God? How can one be certain on that? It makes more sense to say you don't know if God exist or not. Is better to be agnostic than atheist. Yes indeed the answer of the year: I don't know. Ha ha ha. LOL
@Casey Mays this statement of yours is a paradox, you say you don't know, and yet you know with certainty that the universe came from nothing by nothing. Lol
William Solia I am sure in school you were taught to write your best guess even if you not sure of the answer. Tell me who has better chance of getting some marks from examiner? The person who writes I don’t know or someone who pen his best guess. Use your common sense to answer. You don’t live the rest of your life on I don’t know do you? Man made laws even tells you, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. You see how dumb it is? I don’t know is the worst chances ha ha ha. Well I doubt if this will make any sense to you because you simple don’t know obviously
Agreed, but we muslims has the highest probable answer based on observation, reason and rational deductions even though we have never seen outside of universe, for the same approach we believe our brain does exist, or our father is indeed our biological father, and believe we all have ancestors eventhough we never really see our brain, or never go for DNA test, or never see our ancestors. The existence of a creator of universe is not the only things human believe using reasons, basically almost everything we believe in life without really seeing or experiment ourselves, rather we believe on others through observations and reasoning.
Other religion concept of being a powerful creator is contradicting and confusing, like god 3 in 1 but equal to 1, or there are many gods in human form with attributes that doesnt resemble and all-knowing and all powerful attribute of a creator who able to create a complicated massive powerful system yet were finely tuned and perfectly ordered for its purpose, which then able to produce life within the universe. Islam concept of a creator is the most logical explanation of how a creator will be, if he does exist.
What im saying, Islam has the most highest probable answer of how a creator should be and has the most logical definition of a creator of universe its He does exist. For other religion their answers simply messed up and illogical. Its not about who first, its about which one is the truth.
Islam has been in existence since time immemorial. .since Adam and not 1400 years a go..Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is just the seal of all the Prophets..the last of the Prophets....and God confirmed at the time of the Prophet that.."This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favour upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion" (Quran:Surah Al Maidah,the 5th Surah verse 3)
That literary doesn't make any sense. I understand you want to seem smart, but you might not be. Claims such as "since we don't know how the Universe came to be yet, it must be God" is not an argument.
@@yusifhuseini Actually it is. Argument is a set of logically correct statements that have a certain and concrete implications. You cannot prove something that cannot be validated, seen, observed or in any way detected. Though logic and faith aren't on a good terms it seems.
@@janchovanec8624 Your definition of argument is little bit bias but again when the atheist is confident to say he doesn't know why is he 100% sure to negate God? The agnostic approach makes more sense because they are more consistent to say they don't know whether it is God or not. Science has no way of validating soul or dreams yet still it is true and they exist.
Atheists typical style...first try to act smarter than the rests then resort to "i dont know i dont know" to obvious questions bcos they know it will lead to god
first you have to prove a God exist, We are still waiting on that. Also, I don't know is more honest than.. GOD DID IT, cause you still haven't PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT IT EXIST!. A book, a pedophile and your own personal feelings do not count.
Atheists recognize the fact that everything that exists has a cause except everything (the universe) doesn't. There lies their inconsistency. That's why every argument with an atheist ends with him becoming an agnostic.
well at least atheists are critically thinking. religious people are just told to believe in their religions and have no proof or evidence of what they believe in. pathetic
lol the corniest comment of the day, congrats. science and math thought me to think critically actually. and btw great thinkers of the past most of the time did not have a choice but to be religious. Atheism and any perceived attach on the religion was punishable by death (e.g. Galilio and many many many others).
Diana - As an atheist.. The shit we have to hear from religious people XD I wish you could experience giving up on religion.. and you would see how ironic that statement is.. not saying that Atheists can't be cocky, because indeed they can.. but atheists have suffered persecution and ridicule in the name of 1000's of different religions and gods for 1000's of years.. and you would understand if you saw religion from our perspective. To us.. you are believing in a grim fairy tale.. and if that feels like ridicule to you.. then i'm sorry you feel that way.. but it won't change how we see it..
@@gxqx797 - Ah.. okay.. that tells me nothing.. so which god am I wrong about this time?.. let me guess.. Shiva Brahma and Vishnu. oh.. you meant the one YOU were brainwashed into believing.. cool.. religious people never fail to dissapoint when it comes to bad arguments and horrible attempts at logic.... actually.. you are the one who is wrong.. your god does not exist.. and I say that with 100% conficence.. I am about as afraid of your god as I am of the fairy godmother..
@@blahfuckdig lol u mean 100% arrogance. Why cant there be 1 god but that certain people brainwashed other people into believing other god(s) for self-gain, power, control etc? You think you're such a genius that you're seeing something sooo clear that the rest of (theist) humanity is missing? If it was so clear we wouldnt have this issue. Theres no way you can 100% confidence when i gaurentee the scientist or philosophers you were inspired by wouldnt say that (unless dawkins or hitchens or harris and the like inspired you, which it seems like it is. You saying you have ultimate confidence just proves to me your disingeniousness.
LOL. A Tasbeeh is not an "innovation". It's a just another way to count the ritualistic praises. "Innovation" has to do with introducing a ritual or a belief that has no basis in the religion. A few other points: it's not that we as human beings can say with certainty that something cannot come from nothing. It's that it is metaphysically impossible prove either way, because in order to prove that something came from nothing, one would have to know how to distinguish between something coming from something else (contingency) which we can witness, and something coming from nothing which we cannot. It is also inexplicable and therefore irrational and so is completely outside of the realm of rational debate. It's effectively magic. If someone believes that something can come from nothing, there is no arguing with them, because they can effectively believe in anything, e.g., if a coin was flipped and instead of landing on its head or tail, it turned into a bird instead, as Hijab made the point. Which leads to the main point of the conversation: the explanation for the witnessed causal regularity (or teleology) that exists in Reality. This atheist effectively has no answer: "it is what it is". In other words, it's inexplicable to him, which means he effectively must submit to the irrationality of his position.
Exactly, what Islamophobes do is that they start with conclusions then work their way back to fit them against islam. May Allah protect us from ignorance.
Tasbih is not innovation for a different reason which is because the prophet saw allowed it when he saw others use it. However if he never allowed it and tasbihs were not used in his time then no doubt it would become a bidah.
isn't ironic that every single atheist who they claim that they know science and they know the universe thus god does not exist. but all answers they give " We dont know" Muslim : How did the universe come to existance Atheist : We dont know but I am 100% sure it wasn't GOD.
Isn't it ironic that you find it ironic when someone is being honest about not knowing an answer to something. Kinda beats being a lying asshat... Muslim: How did the universe come to existance Atheist: We don't know yet, we might never know, but just because we dont know you don't have the right to claim GOD did it either. Muslim: Well God did do it, it says so in this book Atheist: Well how do you know that book is correct Muslim: Well because, It's the word of GOD Atheist Well how do you know its the word of GOD Muslim: Because it says so in the book. Listen, When you have any evidence for a creator let us atheist know. We don't claim to know absolute truth so we might be intrigued at your information. Design argument is not a good argument to use: For one, you have to demonstrate before hand that It was GOD who designed us. So before you can even make the claim of design you have to prove your God exist and did design us. Then we have the problem of what design actually is, or rather how do you know its design since this is the only universe you have ever seen, the only earth, the only me, you.. ETC.. So how the hell can you know what design is if you have nothing to compare it to? We know a watch, a boat, a book has a maker because we have instances of watches, books, and boats being made by their creator and we can compare them to other watches, boats, and books as well. How many instances of design by God have we witnessed that is not in that crappy book of yours? I'll save you the time in typing the number ZERO for you.. So, how did the Universe came into existence? I can honestly tell you right now that WE DO NOT KNOW, but you don't either.
They DON'T know science. Their knowledge of science is only high school level. Actually, the more one knows about science the more they come closer to the conclusion of an ultimate designer, God.
I decline having any civil conversation with you on the grounds that it is impossible to have any type of conversation with you about religion or islam. Quoting the quran is as pointless as quoting Harry Potter as proof of wizards or quoting the bible as proof of Jesus. Also, just because a book has some scientific fact does not make it any more factual than another book with different TRUE Scientific facts. The Quran also states that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse. No sir, we cannot have any type of discussion when your mind is already closed off to anything other than what your book of fairy tales says. I won't waste my time with someone who is that close minded. But hey, if you have proof of your God, I'd sure love to see it. Your book doesn't count as proof.
Michel Roque DNA is proof of an intelligent designer. Code must have a coder if you are computer literate. The earth and its perfect distance from the sun just in the habitable zone is proof that you are being protected. Death is proof that you are returning to someone. The universe's low entropy state (stability) is proof that it is being protected. Order cannot come from disorder as every physicist will tell you. If ppl dont believe in these as signs then even if God showed hismelf physically to them they still wouldn't believe he existed. Isn't it ironic how every civilisation has worshipped something in one way or another. We are spiritual beings gifted with intellect
That's the point. This is the way logic works. If you make a positive statement, an affirmative statement, you are burdened to prove it. We start with nothing. How did the universe come into being? You say God. We say prove it. If you respond with prove that it wasn't, that's fallacious. Not many people will say with 100% certainty that there is no way possible a creator created everything. Most atheists are agnostic atheists. You can't prove a god created the universe, and we won't believe what cannot be proven.
The guy was defeated the moment he told him his name. He should have said "it doesn't matter" and stayed in the same posture. Further down in conversation he shouldn't have justified himself about what he thinks his purpose is.....huh. We need someone like Hitchens in this day and age.
Raw Keeper umm I was there at the Aron Ra discussion with saboor , and it was quite humiliating .I felt bad for Aaron . Matter fact towards the end you will see Aron asking saboor show me where this appears in the book , and saboor shows him and he was just in shock .
I agree, I feel that Saboor gets to the point quicker instead of trying to win the game of semantics, which added nothing of substance to the discussion.
Man I must say out of all the debates I have watched on this channel this is the most educational and most enlightening. I must confess I watch most of these debates for banter purposes, and it's just something to watch and therefore I wouldn't subscribe. This type of debate however is as I described above and we simply don't get enough of it.
Well, if we were to know every single variable in the universe we could literally predict the future. But since we are not all knowing and we are limited we cannot factor in the variables in an equation and utilize that. This dictates that there is no such thing as random, because what is random to you is basically unpredictable. If i had all the variables at hand, again, i will be able to know what will happen. For instance, if i knew the charge of each ball on a table, the friction, the magnetic field, the electric field of anything surrounding all of these balls, the weigh of all these balls and their gravitiational pull to each other and the force that im going to hit the first ball with, and its angel and air resistance and and and.. i will surely predict the future without a mistake. Therefore, our universe is set with finite amount of variables that put the universe in its order. This shows that there is a creator and a code to his creation i believe.
Actually, no, you wouldn't be able to predict the future because the information contained in the universe is always increasing due to entropy, this is a good video that explains this ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sMb00lz-IfE.html
Inference is not just based on evidence, it is based in the subjective, what you have experienced, how you have perceived and what you know. Great discussion. Really enjoyed listening.
Either my English is weak or they're using really philosophical words. Edit: The first comment I read, someone's joking about not bringing a dictionary 😂
They are indeed engaging in a fairly logical debate. Both of them must've read a lot of philosophical books and are acquainted with Aristotelian concepts. The main partsthey are using are Metaphysics + Mahtematics + Epistemology. Sadly, it ended abruptly.
Mohammad, the way you out forward your views, is both really respectful and knowledgeable, it's a pleasure to watch you explain concepts and truth to the ignorant.
The guy made a good point at around 22 minutes in (just before he left). When asked why do patterns exist, he says they "just are", and when Muhammed attempted to probe into it, he reversed the question and asked "why does god exist". The response would be the same "he just is". This is an interesting stand off and I wish they expanded on it further.
No, if he asked Mohammed to explain it further, it could be explained easily. Which is that everything needs a creator. Just as a table needs a creator, a universe needs one. And we explain how God exists by saying that he has no wordly attributes, and is thereby not subject to our understanding of things in the universe.
No one says that maybe it is god But can you prove its god? Can you prove its the god we know the god you believe in the god you think exist and not any other supernatural being that just created the universe because it was bored?
@@yusifhuseini exept I can't disprove something that wasn't proven... The burden of proof is on you pal if you prove there IS a supernatural being that created the universe you still have two more steps 1 prove it's god 2 prove it's your god And admitting to not know is better than saying something without any evidence People tough Zeus is the one that caused thunder to form and I bet if we didn't know how it formed you would say the same exept instead of Zeus you'd say Allah or Jesus or whatever god your parents tough you to bleive in
@@saifsaif8352 Thanks for your reply but you straw man my argument. True the burden of the proof is on the one who made the claim. But what was my claim? You asked the question "But can you prove its god?" and I replied by asking if "Can you prove it is not God?" And my reply is your best answer is You don't know. I didn't make the claim it is God. You were vague as well with the word "maybe". For anyone to say God doesn't exist that's emphatic statement and he need to prove that. To say you just don't know doesn't answer why you came to the conclusion. Besides if you want proof of God existence there have been a lot of departs and discussions on that. No need to reinvent the will sure if you are interested you can look into that.
@@yusifhuseini oh so you didn't make the claim that it's god? So you don't know that it is god you just think that it is I didn't make any claims here I was skeptical about why he think it is god I didn't say it wasn't but I said he doesn't have enough evidence that it is god and not something else Also god was never proven to exist if if I told you unicorns exist however you said that there isn't enough evidence for you to bleive that they exist then should you be the one to disprove the existence of unicorns or is the burden of proof on me? There are many videos on this topic but 1 I can't watch all of them 2 I watched enough and still didn't find enough evidence to bleive in god I didn't straw men you're argument You said "can you prove it's not god?" Which implies that you think the burden of proof is on me which it isn't Your comment comfuse me a bit Do you think that god exists? Prove it If you claim that a supernatural being exist then the burden of proof is on you But if you don't claim god created the universe you don't bleive it did so you're an atheist Please make up your mind
the fact they were able to exchange ideas this easily. much respect to both. May Allah guide him, if he walked away thats not a problem. he needs time to think about that discussion which was a lot.
Salaam alaikum SCDawah folks, Does this stuff only happen on Sunday? I'm visiting from America soon, and want to meet the SCdawah and EFDawah channel brothers.
Gaga4Parma - Ok. Wow subhanallah, seems like these brothers upload news videos every day, I thought it was happening multiple times a week 😂 Thanks akhi
Forget the atheist and the big bang. My argument is, If you are born in a Muslim family , you will very likely to be practising Muslim all your life, a hindu will be hindu all his life, a jew will be jew all his life, a Shia will be shi'a all his life.Another good example is, everyone that comes to speakers corner claims to be right and the other person is wrong. Exactly like this video, hijab is is clearly born in a Muslim family hence he is preaching Islam, and the other guy was born in a non Muslim family who's parents was most likely non practising parents Hence this white guy doesn't even believe in God. So basically through the perspective of muslims, all practising Muslim go heaven but the rest go hell. How is that fair?? The Muslim born child has an advantage as his influences of his parents, siblings to brush off on to him. Guaranteed this uploader is born in a Muslim family, it is clear just by reading the name of the you tube channel. Therfore It's a never ending circle. Pointless debate.
@@NightRyder-ph1sx True. But God(energy) is the one. Just many ways to connect with him. I think Islam is the best approach amongst others. Its upon the person what group of people he wanna join.
@@NightRyder-ph1sx not true. An atheist or Hindu or Christian or whatever has the same jump start as a person born into a Muslim family. The same information is available to a non muslim as to a muslim. I wouldn't argue with you that being born into a certain believe will make you hold it more dearly. But negating the fact that you can't reason and think logically for yourself and therefore changing your mind is false. You are exposed to the same information available to everyone, to aquire and seek knowledge in. Unfortunately not everyone takes there time to seek out and try to learn more about the other beliefs and therefore only stick within there own because they know "more" about it.
**what is the name of the person who started the idea of “I can do whatever I want as long as I’m a good person or as long as I dnt hurt anyone”? MH mentioned it in a video but I can’t find it.
There was a video where an athiest talked about how things can be said to be facts even if we arent certain about them. I want to relisten to that video. Anyone know which video it is?
Matt OToole you don’t get it do you? It’s a metaphor for example if you didn’t comment on this I wouldn’t have known that you existed meaning if I have not met you or seen you, you don’t exist but in reality you do exist it’s the same because I don’t see god with my eyes doesn’t mean there’s no possibility of it existing that’s an atheist mentality. Once you wrap your head around what I just said you’re welcome.
saying the sun never have a purpose but atheist will convince you about science photosynthesis etc etc lol how retarded was that how amazing atheist create their own cosmic dust!
The entire conversation on the topic of "nothing" is something us as humans most likely cant understand and cant comprehend, so it practically goes against all religious arguments that something cant come out of nothing. We simply cannot understand "nothing" , end of story.
A typical atheist contention is: If we are saying that God is independent and necessary, why cannot we say the same thing for the universe? This is a misplaced contention for the following reasons. Firstly, there is nothing necessary about the universe; it could have not existed. Secondly, the components of the universe could have been arranged in a different way. Whether one considers these components to be quarks or some type of quantum field, it still raises the question: Why are they arranged the way that they are? Since a different arrangement of quarks or fields could have existed instead of the collection that does exist, it follows that the universe is dependent.
🤣 man's got a twitch to his left cheek.... must've been feeling the heat in the snow... Lost the argument. He just got served. The smartass ran out of smarts. 😂😅😆😀🤣
he was just a random nobody looking for a light. Made a few pithy comments but not a great speaker. It's easy to ask intelligent questions rather than be expected to have answers.
I really want to join them in the Dawah wallahi, working hard so that one day I can be a student of sir Hijab insha Allah, he is the most inspiring person I have seen so far.....
Umer Raja lol scoffers don’t realize their misery and mindlessness is all they have. Allow them to bark and holler like the depraved animals they are. They will return to the state they desire.
it does become an innovation if those beads themselves or the digital counter etc. is being made part of the deen. bid'ah is that which is added in the deen, making it part of the deen. like mawlid, it is made such that those who celebrate see it as a requirement in islam. so they added something new and made it their deen. or giving the tasbeeh beads a certain value in the deen like not letting a menstruating woman touch it (some people think like this, crazy i know). islamic schools, digital quran, tasbeeh etc. is not bid'ah because it is not something that is seen as part of the religion or from within religion. Rather these are tools to make it easy to practice that which is allready in the religion, without changing anything of it.
Atheist : i know that something can't come from nothing and i don't know who maid the universe but its definitely not god 😂 + Who said i dont know therefore god ?
Atheist is someone who doesn’t believe in God. Could be because they don’t know (how the universe began etc etc) Someone who believes in god also doesn’t know but labels that as ‘It must be god.’ Both the atheist and the believer have access to the same resources as each other on planet Earth, but they both had different upbringings. Vast majority of people who are religious come from religious families... coincidence? Not saying it’s wrong but it’s always good to challenge your thinking.
Mr. Hijab: I don't know, therefore god. Specifically the one and only god that was strangely focussed on one part of the world, and had one of his angels talk to a merchant in a cave. And because I believe (read: 'know') this, I'm going to heaven and you're going to hell to suffer eternal punishment after you die. I'm sure of all this through using my senses, although I could not really see, smell, feel, taste or hear god. Because I know this is an insufficient epistemological method, I use the most reliable source of information anyone could have, namely: "Intuition". Now I'm going to follow my funny tummy to the mosque, because it tells me that the almighty god needs to be thanked and praised for the fifth time today. Have fun not knowing the origin of the universe, you silly unbeliever. Peace.
@@TOn-fx2gr Well, surely we don't come from a literal 'nothing' as in a vacuum devoid of any matter. The first living organisms on earth would've been single cell organisms. How they came into existence nobody really knows, but it is being researched at the moment. If we assume that there would be a god that created the universe, there's still no reason to believe in Islam or Judaism or Christianity or so. Anyone could claim to have spoken with the creator of the universe. and their claims would all have the same level of validity. The religious scriptures do not talk about the process of evolution. They simply claim that god created humans, while completely ignoring the long process of evolution. Like, what was the point of putting Neanderthals on the earth and letting them go extinct after a while?
