You would be hard pressed, to find a swede, with a military background, complain about someone calling the M/37-39 the "Suomi". It was after all generally refered to, as the "Suomi" in the swedish armed forces, and the finnish armed forces have always been highly respected in the swedish armed forces, for their achivements as an independent nation and in the old days,when they were the eastern half of our country. They also served as our primary inspiration (and verification, that our owns contemporary methods was valid) for land forces tactics after the second world war. Finnish sissi and LRRP-style units was for instance an inspiration (and verification for the units and methods we already had) for our various jaeger-units, and regular infantry tactics and artillery methods was largely evolved from and/or verified by the methods the finns had used.
Fins also highly respect swedish people, even thou its kinda stereotype joke to "hate" Swedish people :D Sweden, Norway and Finland would make great nation!
@@TeurastajaNexus ok fascist. My great grandfather was a feminist who was handed one of these after his Norwegian "Police" Troops training in Sweden during WWII. Put it to good use as well. He'd slap you if he was still alive.
When Finnish troops saw these guns (brought to war by Swedish volunteers) they initially liked the 50rd "coffin" magazines. They had higher capacity than the older drum magazine (m/31 40rds) but were much lighter. Unfortunately the quad stack magazines were also unreliable and fragile. Finns bought a license and 120'000 of the coffin magazines for Suomi SMGs were built and issued to troops. The later drum magazine version (m/37 drum magazine. Not to be confused with the Swedish M/37 submachinegun.) had 70rd capacity and was also easier to reload and as those were already replacing the older drum magazines these became the most popular ones. There were also 20rd tick magazines available.
Heard that many long patrol guys prefered the coffin mags as they were easier to pack and did not rattle. But even the swedish army manual acknowledges that they are hard to load, needs a loading tool and easily bind up on the last shots if the first round is pushed to the.wrong side
Sweden also bought the Thompson M1928A1 SMG and adopted it as the "Kulsprutepistol m/40". If wiki is to be trusted: only about 500 was delivered. The original order was 1500 but the British by that time (early 1940) had urgent need of the Thompson for their own forces. The 500 or so Thompsons that remained was in use to around 1951. Quite alot of different SMG's for one Army. Wouldn't surprise me if one or more of those Swedish Thompsons has since found their way into the US and sits on some collectors shelf somewhere.
@Fredrik Häll In spring/summer/autumn 1940 there was indeed scramble of SMG development and purchases all over world. Wonder why? I guess Finns are to blame. British bleeded large part of their gold reserves to acquire Thompsons from which Auto Ordnance asked insane prices (over 200 US Dollars). Germans were at same time starting stamped MP40 production as MP38 was too expensive to produce.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine There was never a single Thompson in Finnish service. But Auto Ordnance should thank the goldmine it had for 2-3 years for Finns.
l find it mildly amusing that Husqvarna has also made guns. Their ovens, fridges and other home appliances are pretty common in Finland. lt would be equally amusing if l had a chance to buy a toaster from H&K.
I shot with these when I was doing military service in the Norwegian navy in the 80ies, fun to shoot with close to zero recoil due to its heavy bolt design. The coffin magazines were very reliable once you only fill with 50 rounds and keep them clean. Aiming on full auto - garden hose style very easy to pinpoint - excellent at night with tracer ammo. Not as precise as the H&K mp5 but more fun due to the almost total lack of recoil.
Glad I stumbled across your video Ian! I have been trying to locate more pictures of the M-37/39 for a parts kit build (sadly only semi-auto) and this is by far some of the best footage and imagery available. The end of the barrel shroud and receiver tube profile were particularly interesting to view in detail.
Great video as usual! Interesting facts: Sweden not only made the Suomi SMG by license, but also bought 500 of these made in Finland, designated as Kpist m/37/39 F. 1940 Sweden also adopted Thompson 1928A1 as Kpist m/40.
Great video! Been waiting for this! My grandfather served in the Norwegian police troops under ww2 (trained in Sweden), and they where issued this. quite a lot of these guns exist in Norway. I Have shot it several times, and it has a ridiculous rate of fire.
I've always wanted forgotten weapons to make a video concerning the rare and truly forgotten soviet bull pup prototypes of the TKB series. It would actually be interesting to see if someone took the time and effort to reproduce one of these from old blueprints and try to revive them back for collectors of rare and unique firearms. The TKB series look the most unusual and seem very sci-fi in appearance though have elements that are very soviet with the orange and black coloration.
Man i love weapon craft, i might go study to gunsmith, but i really like these videos, they are just more than regular gun videos in here, where people just shoot them. Keep up the good work! i love these
They were used by the Free Danish Brigade, and was introduced in Denmark at the end of the german occupation. later the Danish army used it, and they ended service during the early nineties used by the Danish Homeguard. They were know as the Husquarna MP M/44 (37), later replaced by the Swedish Hovea SMG build on license in Denmark
bandholm yes. They recieved about 3.000 of these smg's. After the war, they were used well into tje 80's by the home guard. Im sure there must be hundreds, if not several thousands of these in storage somewhere in Denmark still.
Sweden armed the Free Danish Brigade. Danish refugees in Sweden. They were tasked to take control on Denmark as soon as the occupation ended and formed the basis for the Danish army after 1945.
one thing you have not mentioned, or perhaps you do not know this. every barrel had a number from 1 to 8 stamped in it. that number designated where you would hit when firing. make a square and number from 1 to 8 begining at top left corner, then half the distance is 2, right top corner is 3, and so on down the line. of course numbers 2 and 6 were the most sought after being either below or above the center.
I'm not sure if I just misunderstood your compliment, but Switzerland is a central-european nation, quite a ways from the nordic countries. I agree with your compliment on quality nontheless.
Sweden used 9mm since the early 1900's but a weaker 9mm Browning long rather than the 9mm para bellum. It was with the Finnish submachine gun purchases during the war that it was finally decided to go for the Para Bellum.
In the American film version, the murderer uses an S&W M76 with the barrel shroud removed (possibly to make it look more like an M3 Grease Gun?). The movie was 1974, so it was one of the first appearances of the M76 on film.
I'm imagining how I would modernize this WW 2 classic smg.First,change the wooden stock to a light weight ploymer plastic pistol grip stock with side folding stock.The magazine housing would be removed closer and place in front of the trigger guard.The barrel length will be kept the same length as it's not too long.Also add a pictiny rail on top of receiver.
I was fortunate to have the chance to shoot this submachinegun (as well as the Hovea MP M/49 (closely resembling the "Swedish K")) in the 80's. Since I had my basic training on a G3, after firing the first shot with the Suomi, I was under the impression that I had experienced a misfire, and consequently started a misfire drill - the instructor asked me what on earth I was doing! I was tricked by the total lack of felt recoil (as compared to the G3). The Suomi is heavy and ugly (debatable of course) but has good sights, shoots exceptionally well, (and has a large magazine capacity). I was on a field range shooting self marking targets at 250 meters with each and every round hitting the target (without the need to re-aim after each shot) - it just remained pointing at the target. As a comparison I shot the Hovea on a 100 meters shooting range at the baracks, without hitting the target even once. The only issue I had with the Suomi was that the magazines had to be loaded with the special magazine loading tool - you didn't want to drop or break that tool!
@Forgotten Weapons I noticed that too. If it has the same ROF wouldn't it need vent holes so that air doesn't slow the bolt down or is that part of the recoil principle for the M-37/39?
I assume that this would result in a slower rate of fire. Unfortunately I can't find anything about the rate of fire of M/37 in Finnish or English. The Swedish sources offer values of 800-900 and 1000(in theory it says) but my Swedish is a bit rusty and I not certain which of the sources I can trust.
Would be really cool if it did slow the rate of fire down, something this heavy with that stock profile firing 9mm at ~600rpm would be insanely good fun
Sickend Sour How dare you to forget Estonia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It was proudly there offical sidearm to the middle of 1930
During my military service my liutenant chose one of theese when we was "styrka B", the enemy. All other of us had the M45B. I thought this one was really cool!
Great video, though you fucked the title up! The official name is Kulsprutepistol m/37-39 or K-pist m/37-39 for short.Keep making these videos, Ian! They are great! The same goes for the In Range videos! :)
56 rounds is really high capacity; While I'd be willing to bet that the 71/2/3 (I'm not sure which is right, I know the common wisdom is that a full drum has a chance to jam so the last round is usually omitted and can easily see why it might lead to those three numbers being written down places...) round drums on the PPD/PPSh & of course Suomi were the highest capacity SMG mags in military service, seeing how nobody much liked the clunky 100-round drums available on the Thompson, to the point that they're scarce.
Looks like they lowered the weight by thinning the receiver, just leaving its rear end and the trunnion at full diameter. I wonder how much that (and the weirdly shaped stock) changed how it felt while firing.
Try To Get Yourself a Portuguese FBP SMG! I Advise to try to get the latest 80's model the ww2 and 60's versions are pretty un safe and un relaiable! There are only like 3 videos on the damn Gun so would be very cool if you did a video on it!
Even though it's not a "forgotten" weapon I would still like to watch a video on the Russian PPSh-41 sub-machine gun. It would be cool to get some history on it and to see its disassembly. Thanks
I didn't see any Ventilation holes on the back of the receiver. Am I mistaken or is that another change? Thanks for the videos Ian, been watching for years now enough to make me old. :)
How many of this magazines would you carry and how would you carry them?I always wonder about the different types of magazines there are and the ergonomics and military doctrine(if there was any) of carrying magazines.I think you should make video about this topic although this whole thing is probably self explanatory.
I think that comment was directed at earlier video of "Finnish Bofors 37mm anti-tank gun" where there was some heated argument whether it's ok to call it that, because the gun was designed in Sweden and produced in Finland. Same thing here, made in Sweden so it's swedish and vice versa.
Do love your shows. Should you be able to get hold of a K-pist M45B like the one I was issued with, I and I'm sure many more would be happy as a pig in shit. I know that in America, you are not allowed to buy the rounds we had, but still. And should you feel that the cyclic rate is somewhat slow, a golf ball behind the recoil spring tend to speed things up
These don't appear to have the vent holes drilled into the receiver cap like the M31 did. If they did not need them here, did it really make any operational difference?
Have you managed to get your hands on an m/45 yet? I'd be very interested to see your opinions on that, since it's the one firearm I know first hand, having been issued one when I was serving. Edit: also, the name Husqvarna is pronounced with a long "u". "Hus-kvarna", not "husk-varna"
I can't believe that people make fun of the Thompson T2 for it's stock, all while this thing exists. It looks like something Harry Potter would fly on. With a pistol grip it would be the perfect stock, however this way the ergonomy must be painfully awkward.
you might want to try getting into the armé museum in stockholm (army museum) they might have one and they have a LOT of interesting weapons everything from m-14´s to prototype swedish battlerifles
Always find it interesting how the Swiss and Swedes had the best small arms and were the neutral countries in the wars, probably has to do with much less troops to equip so the budget could be a little more.
Don't know much about the Swiss, but Sweden had a few weapons factories that already produced weapons of a very high standard. When Sweden adopted the mauser rifle in the 1880's Carl Gustafs. sent engineers to Germany to study their manufacturing process. They were less than impressed with the precision of the mauser factory, so they developed measuring equipment that later became the world standard for all kinds of engineering and toolmaking. (J-blocks) During ww2 Sweden was really hard pressed to upscale the armed forces. Sweden did not just sit idle and watched as the world around them fell in to the hands of the Nazis and the Communists. The country was at full mobilization, expecting an invasion at any time.
They are not that scarce: The Danish Home Guard had load of them - I don't know how many times I've cleaned that thing. Never was much of a marksman. But You are showing the disassembly WRONG! You take the charging handle with the right hands little finger. Pull the handle back. Put your right hand thumb on knob on the backplate. With the flat of your left hand you whirl the cover of.
Need to get you (Ian) a clip on mic or something. Think the effort you put into these videos shouldn't be held back by anything as silly as audio. Thanks for another swell video.
He usually has. From recent videos only in these two Suomi-videos the voice quality was low and lots of echo present. I would bet some money on that they didn't have the normal audio recording equipment with them when they shot this. And as these are not shot in order, the coming videos are going have the better quality sound we have accustomed.
"The Swedes probably wouldn't like me calling it a Suomi because Suomi means Finland, and they're not Finland. But they went and bought a Finnish submachine gun, so they can deal with it." - Another classic line from Ian.
Сразу вспомнился детективный роман Пера Валё и Май Шеваль "Смеющийся полицейский". Именно из такой бандуры были расстреляны все пассажиры автобуса. Как Оке Стенстрём не разглядел его даже под одеждой у Форсберга? Не успел?.. Литература...
