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The Jotun Loki, aka the Wolf's Mother, is said to to have given birth to Odin's two-horse-power horse. In the Icelandic text, Reginsmál, he's depicted in a Scythian hat, connecting him with the older culture of the Caucasus, which had been breeding horse and hound for a long time: if Odinic culture wanted the best then adopting Loki symbolically preserved the old ways.
Giants are the expression of abundant power without the corresponding expression of abundant knowledge and wisdom. An animal with a disproportionate ratio of brain size to body mass is inevitably brutal, simple and instinctive. Dinosaurs are a fascinating study of this dichotomy. When seen as body mass, either through supernatural means or symbolically as that of the state, the unnatural jump in physical power and mass corrupts higher thought and wisdom and overwhelms the mind that did not grow along side and earn the right to use it or understand how to use it properly.
I am from Namibia, southern Africa. Last year, I was at the farm around the fireplace with my grandparents, the oldest in the family. They began telling us stories of giants living with their ancestors and the character traits these creatures had. Jonathan, the stories they told are similar to those you have just described. Due to my ignorance, I laughed and made sport. How could they believe in such myths? I asked. Hearing this from you, I am now beginning to connect the dots. There is so much digging for me to do. Thank you, Jonathan.
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
@maxfunk5773 yeah but trying to explain it to others makes you into a crazy person. Me: "It's a proper/improper relationship between heaven and earth, duh." Other Person: **calls police**
@jacobgray676 😂😂 I'm the Other person and I just can't understand most of these videos but something about them entrances me and I want to understand but I just get lost so quick haha
This is why I'm wary of movements, since they have a tendency to become their own thing concerned with perpetuating themselves rather than continue to follow their telos to its end. I know a Floridian who once spoke of the "Save the Manatee" movement in his state. It popped up in the 70s and led the charge to do what it intended to do, and by the late 90s/2000s it had succeeded. Legislation and other acts had protected the manatees and they were finally declared safe. And the "Save the Manatee" people refused to believe it. They declared that there was a conspiracy between scientists and fish and game to hide the fact that manatees were still under threat and refused to accept their data. They continued on with what they were doing. But when you think of it, why wouldn't they? If the manatees were saved, the thing they'd worked towards for decades would be over. People's whole careers would be obsolete. The movement would have no reason to keep living and would die, so it refused to.
@@sdrc92126 a better problem is the issues around the poverty line and how the bar keeps being raised as people keep being pulled out of it maintaining the impression that poverty as we know it is rife. We're a long way in the West from a century or more ago when people made a dollar a day.
More like the 3 letters agencies who took a life of their own, compete against each other, their loyalty is to themselves, and often work against the country that generated them.
I like your stuff. I've been thinking about Giants since I read 1st Enoch 40 years ago at age twelve though, and I know it's not merely symbolism, although symbolism is involved in every aspect of what we are. I enjoy both this podcaste and Lord of Spirits.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...the heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, his view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? He talks about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have he ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Does he realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so he doesn't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - so he should go & learn basic Scripture! Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😅 Btw the Lord of the Spirits in Enoch is in fact the person of the Holy Spirit.
@@animula6908 No, actually that pagan Gnostic channel (disguised as us eastern Orthodox) is all pretentious and symbolic & for the life of me I can't imagine how could anyone not fall asleep listening to that useless boring nonsense which doesn't contribute ANYTHING for understanding our holy faith
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree? 1 Enoch is Bible contradicting folklore from centuries, if not millennia, after the Torah, see my book, “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch.”
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I am fluent in the Hebrew & 1 Enoch doesn't contradict the Bible in any way, it is 100% true oral Tradition recorded by the Essenes, from which came Jesus, John the Baptist & most of the Apostles, and is quoted in Jude even, so get education. And the word "giants" doesn't exist in the original text, only names of their species
I’m rewatching Attack on Titan. The main character goes off the rails and it irritates me, but I’d love to hear your analysis of the anime. Thanks for your work Jonathan.
Hello Jonathan. I am grateful to you, I am currently doing an anime symbolical analysis in yours and Peterson's style, and this just "clicked" on my head. I am happy I watched this video
If we are talking about giantswould be interesting to see Jonathan do a symbolic analysis of Attack of Titan anime series. I think it is really interesting.
Well the titan powers enter the world whe Ymir falls into a giant tree and touches the ancient source of its life, but because of her fear and lack of proper guidance the power is only used for destruction and is passed down through cannibalism. The giant tree is supposed to look ancient, and I think trees like that can represent the connection between things in heaven and Earth, but she falls in which represents that the interaction here is not properly aimed upward. Then she interacts with the source of that heaven and Earth life connection. She only has guidance from a brutal human king who should be below that source of heaven and Earth connection. The ancientness of the tree connects to that idea of giants as remnants of an old world. The cannibalistic passing down of power shows the deapths of how this power is now misaligned. And thats all from like half an episode, so yeah a proper symbolic AoT analysis would be great.
@@crushinnihilism I didn't mention Yggdrasil. I was mentioning symbolism related to the giant tree. The giant tree that has the ancient source of living matter, which then goes on to connect the lives of all eldians, that tree is symbolicly related to trees that are found in various mythologies.
Would love your take on the connection between this pattern and that of clowns. A guy on YT has pretty in depth analysis of their relationship, and it would seem to connect to things you've said about clowns in the past.
A few years ago I thought deeply about the corruption of Christian values in modern society. The values are still there but they have no unifying purpose. They exist for most because they seemingly always have existed, but without the underlying principle they have become corrupted into things like Diversity Inclusion Equity doctrine, Critical Race Theory, or toleration of sinful behavior under the guise of being nice. By the end of a few weeks of thinking about this, I had the image in my head of a man with arms where his head should be, trying to climb a steep cliff but failing despite his many arms because he could not see. Listening to you talk about giants, I think the symbolism is the same.
This is the first I’ve ever seen any orthadox dig into this stuff! Amazing amazing how close we where to the remenants of nephelim too all over America in burial mounds they lived up until the 17-1800
We found giants (and even called them Nephilim) during the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers. Also, Genesis 6 is such an interesting chapter. The first half dealing with the Nephilim is an inversion of the Annunciation, or the beginning of Christ’s life, and the end of Genesis 6 and the flood is an inversion of Christ’s death. The Sons of God force themselves on human women resulting in a race of warrior giants who bring more violence into the world resulting in its destruction. In Luke 1 Gabriel comes to Mary and through her fiat a helpless child is born bringing peace on earth and goodwill to men and it ultimately leads to the salvation of the world. And then of course in the flood, one man and his family are spared while the earth is destroyed, and in Christ one man sacrifices himself for the salvation of the world.
You look too young to have been on that mission. "the recon mission into Canaan in the book of Numbers" resulted in two reports: the original one that was accepted as is and the "evil report" by unreliable guys whom God rebuked but you seem to believe them. As for, "giants" the key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree? Note that you wrote Nephilim's actions resulted in the world's destruction but then you asserted Nephilim in Canaan post-flood so are you claiming that God failed?
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-see these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
It’s always been weird to me how the castration of Uranus creates the personification of beauty in Aphrodite. I don’t understand how in their view this improper accidental thing creates something fundamental like beauty.
Reminds me of the legend of Atlantis, something above coming down to mingle with something below. In the legend the god Poseidon is attracted to a female women, and he begets children with her, the first child being Atlas, the first king of Atlas, and from his line descend the Atlantean kings, and slowly these hybrid race of beings begin to degenerate and wage war and bloodshed upon the Earth and are destroyed in a flood.
Wish Heiser was alive for them to engage in a discussion on this. From my perspective, Heiser was trying to read scripture through the lens of an ancient Israelite. Pageau seems to be reading symbolism into everything. A conversation would’ve been amazing!
Dr. Heiser was credentialed and experienced but not infallible, his Nephilology wasn’t biblical, and he tended to create more problems than he solved-search online for these articles for examples: Review of Amy Richter and Michael Heiser on four Enochian Watcher related women in Jesus’ genealogy Rebuttal to Dr. Michael Heiser’s “All I Want for Christmas is Another Flawed Nephilim Rebuttal”
@JonathanPageau - Thank you for this insightful share on the examples when the Body is too big with little to no Head. My question is are there examples of the opposite where the imbalance is too large of a Head and little to no Body?
Your question immediately brings to mind all the “awareness” campaigns. Everybody “shows support” or “gives a voice” to or “promotes awareness” about some issue that everyone already knows about, but that isn’t simple to resolve, and in some cases it isn’t even possible to solve because of human nature and human limitations. They always try to present it as though telling people a problem exists that people already know exists is somehow a meaningful contribution toward solving the problem. Sometimes these no-bodies giants feed the no-heads by funneling general support for the idea of solving a problem into misguided counterproductive initiatives (like when the general fear over Covid fed into the draconian and apparently futile/dangerous mandates, for example). When all you have are feelings toward a topic, and no measurable goals, you will be more primed to accept any action that claims to address the topic as appropriate, no matter how unlikely it is to result in a good outcome. It’s interesting that those absent of bodies and those absent of heads don’t balance each other, but amplify each other’s deficiencies. As if humans can’t rely on human institutions to provide, even when they have the resource that you need. Those in need have to direct the integration of the resource for it to serve its purpose, but if those in need lack “body” then they can’t digest what they consume of the resources thrown at them by the smallheaded institutions. Idk how far off I might be, but I’ll try to remember to ask this on the next patrons-only q & a, because now I’m curious too.
@@tulganandvaldyavin6930 Oooooooh, I really like this observation. As we age our bodies get bigger in relation to our heads that do not grow at the same rate. This could be another example of the idea Jesus mentions that we must “be like children” to “enter the kingdom of heaven.” Thank you for your response. Love this group and everyone’s insights that they share:)
The unequal yoke as an element of perversion of the people was always a biblical story in the old testament, on the return from Babylonian captivity the book of ESDRAS And the prophet Malachi returns to face this relationship indicating that the purification of the people involves getting rid of these marriages with foreigners from other nations who have other moral values and gods.
19:20 In other words the structure of the giants narrative is archetypal. Jung met a giant(Izdubar) on his wanderings in the Red Book, here is a bit: Two bull horns rise from his great head, and a rattling suit of armor covers his chest. His black beard is ruffled and decked with exquisite stones. The giant is carrying a sparkling double axe in his hand, like those used to strike bulls. Before I can recover from my amazed fright, the giant is standing before me. I look at his face: it is faint and pale and deeply wrinkled. His almond-shaped eyes look at me astonished. Horror takes hold of me: this is Izdubar, the mighty, the bull-man. He stands and looks at me: his face speaks of consuming inner fear, and his hands and knees tremble. Izdubar, the powerful bull trembling? Is he frightened? I call out to him: Jung: “Oh, Izdubar, most powerful, spare my life and forgive me for lying like a worm in your path.” Izdubar : “I do not want your life. Where do you come from?” Jung: “I come from the West.” Izdubar: “You come from the West? Do you know of the Western lands? Is this the right way to the Western lands?” Jung: “I come from a Western land, whose coast washes against the great Western sea.” Izdubar: “Does the sun sink in that sea? Or does it touch the solid land in its decline?” Jung: “The sun sinks far beyond the sea.” Izdubar: “Beyond the sea? What lies there?” Jung: “There is nothing but empty space there. As you know, the earth is round and moreover it turns around the sun.” Izdubar: “Damned one, where do you get such knowledge? So there is no immortal land where the sun goes down to be reborn? Are you speaking the truth?” His eyes flicker with fury and fear. He steps a thundering pace closer. I tremble.
Oh wow, Jung’s encounter with Izdubar is such a clear symbolic representation of our modern scientific worldview encountering the ancient archetypal worldview, or collective unconscious, which is so divorced from our current empirical literalist way of thinking that it could only be represented as a giant.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Here we go again...your heretical Gnostic "symbolism"🤦Just as I thought, as usual, your view on the subject is injected with PAGAN GREEK MYTHS and pagan western culture - no, it does NOT fit with scripture! This is what happens when your mentor is Gnostic "fr." Freeman, see? You talk about the book of Enoch & the Hebrew scripture describing them. Have you ever bothered to learn the Hebrew text of which I am fluent? - of course not. Do you realize that St. Avgustinus' analogy on the sons of Abel vs. sons of Seth was merely a metaphor, and he actually meant that the sons of Cain were the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Nephils? - of course not. And the Nephils ARE the fallen Archangels not their descendants, and the Giants weren't without heads, so you don't even get the basics. Gog & Magog have nothing to do with Giants! Giants were extinct already by the Israelites - learn basic Scripture! Jack in the what? Are you kidding??😂🤦
Hi Jonathan, why do you think the BFG is so compelling, or the Iron Giant (Revelation symbolism in the book with the Dragon?) And probably some others. Is the representation of some Giants in compelling narratives as heroic just subversion in your eyes or does it serve a different narrative trope?
The discussion around the concept of time and the dead ancient ones brought to mind 'The Martian Chronicles' and building on the bones of an ancient civilization...and with the development of AI are we creating the 'Colossus' who will rule over us...
Do you mean all the giants that you’ve met? Because this is the first time I’ve ever heard giants having two sets of teeth in my whole life😄 But after hearing this and his Enoch video, it sounds like they ought to. Because they are designed to consume and integrate the strange in thoughtless ways. That’s one of the ways they threaten society. They reduce order and peace to chaos and violence, turning spirit into body by devouring normal balanced people and building ever huger bodies from meat that once had spirit. They’re maneaters, you know.
You talk about the connection between power and giants when you mentioned the book of Enoch. What about viewing the giants as meaning that has become one-sided because of the power drive behind it? You take away the power and the desire and the giant deflates, so that the meaning can become viewed again in its proper context (in relation to other intelligencies and principles of meaning). I am thinking about this because of the Jungian interpretation of giants and cyclopes as one-sided emotions that take over..
Thus, the key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
It seems like everything in the world has some symbolism behind it. So, even though the Giants were real, probably or whatever it was there, still a larger meaning, and a bigger picture. I believe that’s what you are telling us with all of the symbolism. You go deeper you not just stick with the surface. And that’s really great because we can’t stop and not dive deeper or climb higher. Thank you.
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
I don’t doubt the validity of this symbolic interpretation. But I don’t think finding a perennial, and symbolic interpretation negates the possibility of real giants having existed. It would be like saying, because we can find a metaphorical meaning behind the great flood that it didn’t happen. I understand people will scoff that giants could have existed, I would encourage you to look into it and not take popular consensus as fact without looking for yourself. Love the channel, and your work Johnathan ❤
No, and the purpose of understanding the symbolic meaning of things isn’t to negate the literal. If anything it’s about understanding that things can’t be symbolic unless there’s a literal, concrete thing for them to symbolize. These patterns really do present themselves repeatedly in a variety of ways, even when cultures outlaw them and ban them and convince people they are nonsense and fairytales. There they come again, reiterating themselves regardless. The truth is hard to rule I guess. But if you only see them as literal, sole isolated incidents then it’s easy to look upon the same pattern and fail to recognize it, because you’ve failed to understand these patterns are imposed from a higher power and won’t just go away if you stop believing in them.
I’m sure many have already made this connection, but another biblical example is naturally the Israelites arriving at the promised land only to discover that it had been occupied by giants. So, God tasks the Israelites to slay the giants so that there new nation can be formed on top of it.
"The Giant's Drink was used as a psycho-analysis tool, and it often had damaging effects on the students. It was common for a student to have suicidal thoughts if they dwelt on the seemingly impossible game; however, Pinual was the only student to kill himself after trying to beat the level. In the game, there was a giant who asked the player to drink from one of the two cups in front of him. He said that if they won, he would take them to Fairyland. Normally, no one could get past this part, as both drinks would kill the player. However, instead of choosing between the two drinks, Ender Wiggin killed the giant by having his character burrow into the giant's eye. As the giant's corpse fell to the ground, Ender's character found himself in the very same Fairyland that the giant had promised him." Ender's Game Wiki, Mind Game
I appreciate the connections and reasoning but it feels you’re also neglecting basic reality (or literalism) of all these global stories and the possibilities of a very different ecosystem existing in the ancient past.
@josephpchajek2685 That's not what he's doing though at all if you truly understand what he's doing he's not putting a lense of symbolism over the bible in fact that wouldn't even be symbolism if he did that. If he did something like that I would be the first one to reject it. What he's doing is using the bibles own categories as a lense to look at reality through. He's not imposing some random arbitrary lense onto the text but rather uses the text itself as its own lense and finds the patterns across different instantiations in the text and then sees the patterns repeat across different levels of reality. There is no dichotomy between symbolic and literal. If you think there is a dichotomy between symbolic in the way Pageau uses it and literal then you are strawmanning Pageau and aren't even talking about the same thing. He rather thinks all of reality is symbolic on every single level even what you call "literal" is already symbolic necessarily so. This perspective is more nuanced than you think I promise, it's a ancient way of seeing the world it requires you to take off your materialistic glasses for a moment and adopt the biblical ancient worldview where experiance is primary to technical descriptions then you find out that these patterns are the precondition for even perception or anything at all, it reveals to you the pattern of reality, and in no way does this also deny a historical reality btw.
I'm confused because a lot of what you say about giants can also apply to monsters like dog headed people. My best guess is that monsters represent the more chaotic aspect of the margin but giants manifest a kind of order that is foreign, unknown, or lost to us. Or they are ordered towards an idol.
In norse paganism all the Gods are Jötunn...They're all giants. They're not a seperate species. More like a different tribe. Pageau really doesn't do well outside of a poor ChristianIzation of other religions
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
At last, AT LAST, I can answer the question: “Oh tell me why, do we build castles in the sky?” A esoteric abstract question embedded as the signature line in a club-banger has now been revealed.
I think pretty soon Johnathan is going to bump up against someone like Diana Walsh Pasulka and American Cosmic. Or Jacques Valley, I'd be very interested to see how a conversation like this would go
@@JonathanPageau Ha! Interesting. I was quite uncomfortable reading it. I think it's the line between the nice "thinky talky" internet culture we have and what most people mean when they say "literal". Jacques Valley's Passport to Magonia is also very unsettling. Interested to hear what you think about it all
Why do you think it is, that in the world of cryptid sightings, sasquatch sighting reports seem to have gone through the roof in the past four years? Also: I never paid any attention to them at all until I began looking into Orthodoxy 4 years ago. And after the LoS episode on the Giants, YT algorithms began popping up cryptid podcasts, some surprisingly intelligent and well made. I don't know what to make of it, but something frightening seems to be going on for many people, enough so that seasoned, life long hunters refuse to step in the woods again. Then take David Paulides podcast Missing 411, the CanAm Project, collecting data on all the people who go missing in national parks and wilderneess areas, which our own government does not keep data on. It would be interesting to hear a talk with you and Wes Garman. If anything, there's a potential world of people out there who may be open to learning about Orthodoxy.
Isn’t one part of the story that humans mated with fallen angels in exchange for technology? Curious how that would tie into this type of interpretation
The golden goose Jacks bean was invested in mother earth by accident in his foolish immaturity and in that act is the birth of desire for the golden goose because tragedy rubs even the top. We aren't meant to be Jack or the giant.
The Bhagavad Gita says the un-holy union of men and women of different station is the reason for religious and thus civilizational decline which is echoed in the laws of manu
Symbols follow the physical world as a reflection. Giants cannot exist as a symbol without a reality that gives the symbol its power. A tree as a symbol for example, would be meaningless if there was no such thing as a tree.
There are of course symbols which do not have a physical reality but those symbols have a localized meaning, they are not then universal. The fact that there is a unifying principle to be seen in giant symbolism amplifies the case that they had a physical form. Perhaps only as an expression of ourselves but nevertheless based in the physical reality and expressed in the symbolic.
Where do you think they get material from? Media and entertainment either incorporate timeless themes or expend endless energy trying to subvert them to prove we don’t have to be subject to them, but they certainly can’t be accused of originality either way.
@@animula6908 true. Nothing new under the sun and all that. I find it interesting to think about how differently the game developers might see and interpret those things being that they come from a different culture and history.
Well friend, you just proved my point (as have the dozens of other people with whom I've basically had the same discussion): you don't know of any such citations and when asked for them you can't provide them because you don't know of any such citations. And just like, "the military" isn't a citation, neither is, "one of the soldiers." I know it's fun to listen to guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians for a living but now you see that it's just an internet hoax and you should rebuke LA Marzulli and the plagiarist Stephen Quayle rather then defending them and enriching them even more.
Is all the supernatural imagery in the Bible, Greek mythology, etc. just symbolism for more pedestrian experiences? It makes a lot more sense. We often hear how the descriptions of evil in the Bible are covertly talking about Rome. Jonathan mentions this in the video about 666.
So, do I understand correctly, that you only believe Biblical fallen angels and giants (Nephilim) are merely symbolic? What are your thoughts about the mission given to the children of Israel (see Deuteronomy 1-4) being commanded to wipe out the remnant giant tribes? What do you think about Jacob and Caleb trying to encourage the children of Israel to obey the Lord’s command to go and conquer the land of milk and honey which was inhabited by giants? Do you believe that all of the ancient, global stories about physical giants are merely coincidental stories of symbolism?
You do not understand correctly, but you'd be forgiven considering this is a small clip and does not contain the necessary context to understand Jonathan's view of symbolism. Symbolism is not mutually exclusive with real events. Think about how your car represents the freedom to travel, but is also a physical object. Your car was formed for a purpose and it's form communicates that purpose. He doesn't mean symbolic in the way that letters are symbols. More like how a gift is symbolic of friendship. More about purpose than representing.
Since you wrote, "giants (Nephilim)" then there's literally zero reliable indication of "wipe out the remnant giant tribes" since they didn't make it past the flood.
jonathan you really don't have to drew parallels across all the different mythologies. like everything else they are hierarchical. drawing parallels between the antecedent narrative, that in the enochian book of the watchers from the caves of qumran with later, diluted, warped greek, roman etc narratives really does a disservice to the extant narrative
Can it be said that giants the result of certain seeds of truth being planted somewhere and having fruit but the seeds are not organized and mixed up so the result isn't quite right? Do heresies produce giants?
The key questions are: What’s the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word “giants” in English Bibles? What’s your usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi -usage and modern English word “giants”? Do those two usages agree?
The literal definition of giants In Greek and Roman mythology, the Giants, also called Gigantes (Greek: Γίγαντες, Gígantes, singular: Γίγας, Gígas), were a race of great strength and aggression, though not necessarily of great size.
I wonder if Napoleon will be remembered as a Giant in the dostant future. He claimed to be possessed by Destiny. Ironic, given the joke about his stature.
@@nathankurtz5960 What ruler are you judging this "perfect alignment" with? Sounds to me like you're acting as judge, jury, and defendant in your own trial.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom finishing publishing but its going to he called Table of Nations: Nimrod since its part of my larger table of nations series. First part is out on Japheth. I might just shorten it to "Nimrod" and make the table of nations a subtitle but i dont know i like the consistency of the series (Ham is already written but not published either)
@@giffica Sounds interesting. I know what you mean about the series thing since I've written a few of them and the balance is keeping it fresh whilst being consistent.
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project). The non-contradictory Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as polar opposite characters. Aren't contradictions false? 🤔
The standard interpretation of the Bible reads with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character being the exact same character and this doesn't cause any problems for the discerning reader. "Aren't contradictions false?" not on some worldviews. For example, there's nothing wrong with contradictions, on Atheism.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom I don't agree that a "discerning reader" has no problems with near 70,000 contradictions since I'm a discerning reader and I have 70,000 problems with it. And contradictions are nothing more than man-made errors. If you encounter one Check Your Premise (CYP). Eventually, people will see that a silly interpretation error caused so much chaos and choose the non-contradictory interpretation of the Bible instead. I won't even get into non-contradictory Math and Physics (Leibniz > Newton) haha.
@@KenAmmi-Shalom The reason project proved near 70,000 contradictions between the NT and OT and that's using the interpretation where the Gen 1 character and Gen 2 character are the same character. That's a false interpretation and I can show near 70,000 reasons why. You should Google images of the reason projects contradictions they found. That many contradictions is what a snake-oil salesman would tell you is the "truth".
@@ready1fire1aim1 I'm unsure why you're advertising for Google but I will note that the Reason Project's first step needs to be to justify condemning (supposed) contradictions.
1. Romans 8:14 What is the Bible definition of the term ‘sons of God’? 2. John 1:12-13 ‘Sons of God’ are a class of people who are identified in several ways in the Bible: A. Disciples of Jesus: Luk 3:38,20:36; Joh 11:52; Rom 8:16, 9:8; Gal 3:26; 1Joh 3:10. B. Members of the heavenly council; representatives of the worlds: Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 (worlds: Heb 1:2; 11:3) C. The nation of Israel: Ex 4:22-23. D. Jesus; King of Israel: Psa 2:7; Isa 7:14; 9:6-7; Mic 5:2; Mat 8:29, 27:54; Luk 4:41; 8:28; 22:70; Joh 1:49; 20:31. 3. Genesis 3:15, 3-5,8,25 Genesis is the story of the battle between two seeds. The seed of the serpent are the followers of Satan, and the seed of the woman are the children of God. Cain’s spirit is of Satan, and his seed are the wicked. Abel and Seth’s Spirit is of Jesus, and the seed of Seth is the righteous. The immediate context tells us that the sons of God are of the lineage of Seth; the daughters of men are of the lineage of Cain. Jesus was the son of David, who was of the seed of Seth. 4. Genesis 6:1 Which came first; the union of the sons of God with the daughters of men, or the giants (nephilim)? Which came first; the ‘mighty men of renown’, or the giants ? Does the Bible class the ‘mighty men of renown’ and the giants together in wickedness? ’giants’: H5303 nephı̂yl …a feller, bully or tyrant (‘nephilim’) 5. Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 2:10-11, 20-21 Did giants also exist after the flood? In Numbers 13 the word nephilim is used, but all of the giants before the flood died in the flood. Where did the nephilim come from that were in the promised land after the flood? The giants after the flood came from one of the descendants of Noah in the same way they came to exist as recorded in Genesis. 6. Genesis 6:5 Is this entire chapter about the seed of the righteous in contrast with the seed of the wicked? Every person on the planet was divided into only 2 groups; the righteous (Noah and his family) and the wicked. This was the polarization of the entire world into only two divisions; the seed of the woman (righteous descendants of Seth) and the seed of the devil (wicked descendants of Cain). The wicked include the giants (nephilim), and the ‘mighty men of renown’. The nephilim were human; men according to the Bible. 7. Genesis 6:2 The expression in verse 2 “to take a wife,” is a legal term which describes marriage between a man and a woman; this marriage is a binding covenant; a contract between the two. (Gen 4:19, 11:29; 12:19; 20:2,3; 24:4,7,37,38,40) The inter-marriages between the sons of God and the daughters of men is what led the human race to the condition where every intent of the thoughts of the heart was only evil continually. This was the cause of the corruption of the earth; and the filling of the earth with violence. World-wide wickedness was the result of the amalgamation of the sons of God with the daughters of men. Is it possible that satan’s plan today is to attack the remnant church, not by open hostility, but friends whose agenda is betrayal with a kiss? 8. Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. (Mat 22:30; Luk 20:35) Angels are spirits and are not designed with the capacity to produce children. Where in the Bible are angels classified into a female sex? They do not exist. Angels are not male and female. They are not able to procreate. 9. Genesis 1:24 Evolution is a lie. When God created all living creatures, He created them after their own kind, and only after their own kind. This includes man. Neither man nor woman can reproduce with another creature which is not of their own kind. Man and apes or monkeys, for example, can not create offspring together. “…but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial….” (1Cor 15:39-40) Celestial creatures are heavenly; spiritual. Terrestrial creatures are earthly; physical. The spiritual bodies of the celestial and the earthly bodies of the terrestrial are totally different. Those of the celestial; angels, are spirits, with no physical anatomy or reproductive organs, and cannot reproduce. They are incapable of impregnating, and incapable of being impregnated. They cannot bear children. Luk 24:39 …handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. One: There were giants before the sons of God went into the daughters of men. Two: All the giants before the flood were destroyed in the flood. After, there were giants in Canaan, and the ones in Canaan were not hybrids of angels with humans, they were giant human beings. Three: Jesus says angels do not get married. Angels cannot produce offspring. Four: The immediate context shows that ‘sons of God’ are the righteous lineage of Seth. ‘daughters of men’ are those women of the genealogy of Cain. Five: The wider context of Genesis shows that the battle is between a righteous seed and a wicked seed. Six: In the widest context of scripture, ‘sons of God’ are those born again; Christ’s the righteous; the ‘seed of the woman’. ‘sons and daughters of men’ are the wicked; slaves of sin and death; led by the spirit of satan; ‘seed of the serpent’. 10. Genesis 10:8 The beginning of Nimrod’s kingdom was Babel, and then several other cities are mentioned as well which are the worst enemies of Israel in the Old Testament. Nimrod was a descendant of Ham, and the line of Ham was the most wicked line of the three sons of Noah. The name Nimrod means “rebellion” in Hebrew, and of course this whole enterprise at the Tower of Babel was a rebellious enterprise. “And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.” (Gen 11:3, 4) Notice the word “us”. They were motivated by self-exaltation; they wanted to be renowned; glorified. This was a self-centered enterprise. What didn’t they want to happen? They didn’t want to be scattered over the face of the earth; they wanted to remain consolidated in one great apostate united system against God, which we might call a ‘New World Order’. This was no longer a patriarchal type of existence, where each household was independent of the other households. This is the first time that you have a monarchy in human history. Over a thousand years later another Babylonian ruler named Nebuchadnezzar established what is known as the Neo-Babylonian empire in the same geographical location, and we catch a little bit of the spirit of the original builders by looking at the spirit that Nebuchadnezzar had. “Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?” (Dan 4:30) He had the same selfish spirit as the original builders, he wanted to exalt himself and set himself on high. They wanted their reputation to become known, they wanted to become renowned. The mighty men and giants of Genesis chapter 6:4 were also renowned; men with a name, or with a reputation. If we read the very next verse we can see what kind of reputation they had. “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Gen 6:5) They were wicked; renowned for iniquity.
11. Genesis 11:5 The expression “sons of men” is used for the builders of the tower of Babel. “Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.” (Ecc 8:11) The sons of men here are the male counterpart of the daughters of men of Gen 6. The sons of men are the wicked male descendants of Cain. Why would some of the sons of God see the daughters of men, and pay less attention to the daughters of God? There was something externally unique that the sons of God saw in the daughters of men that they did not see in the daughters of God. What? The meanings of names in the Bible are often of deep significance. Let’s examine two names of women in the genealogy of Cain. Genesis 4:19: Then Lamech (the first polygamist) took for himself two wives: the name of one was ‘Adah’. “Adah” is a Hebrew word used both a noun and as a verb. It means “to deck with jewels”, or “to ornament”. H5711 (Adah) ‛âdâh aw-daw' From H5710; ornament; the name of two women. Let’s notice some other occurrences of this word. Ex 33:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it: 33:2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite: 33:3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way. 33:4 And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments. Stiff-necked means hard-hearted and unconverted. ‘ornaments’ (v.4) is [Adah]. Ex 33:5 For the LORD had said unto Moses, Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people: I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee: therefore now put off thy ornaments [Adah] from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee. This word Adah is constantly used in the Old Testament to refer to Israel in apostasy, wearing ornaments; wearing jewellery. Let’s notice several other instances with the same word ‘Adah’: Jer 4:30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments [Adah] of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life. Are ornaments connected with apostasy from God? They most certainly are. Ez 23:40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments [Adah]… Israel is trying to impress the apostate men of foreign nations, and so she paints her eyes and she puts on jewelries; adornments; ornaments [Adah]. Hos 2:13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked [Adah] herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD. This is one of the characteristics of the wicked women of the rebellious line of Cain. Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. ‘Zillah’ means “shadow”. The following verses uses the word ‘shadow’ in the context of the wicked: Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Ecc 8:13 But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he feareth not before God. Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. What is it that attracted the eyes of the sons of God to the daughters of men? It was the shiny, artificially bright and beautiful external appearance concealing the deadly spiritual darkness within the lineage of Cain. Ez 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. The global cataclysmic deluge occurred because the sons of God, led by external characteristics, took the initiative to join with the women of the world. The result of this amalgamation was the corruption of the human race, where every intent of the thoughts of the heart, was only evil continually. The church joining with the world will never convert the world to Jesus. It always leavens the church to the standards of the world. God’s elect sons were converted to the ways of the world; so God called Noah, a preacher of Truth, to rebuke the apostate world. Heb 11:7 says he condemned the world. The flood is a type of what’s going to happen at the end of time. Mat 24:37 “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” In the time we live; just before the second coming, are Christians doing the same thing that the sons of God did before the flood? Are there temptations in the world, of tinsel and glitter, of worldly women, and worldly men? Is the church forming alliances with carnally-minded, self-exalted worldly people of external wealth and renown? Are God’s people today indulging in, and being corrupted by shiny, artificially bright and beautiful external appearances concealing deadly spiritual darkness within? “…as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Has God given a message to today’s Elijah and today’s Noah - to present to the His apostate elect people and to the world, to warn them? Rev 14:7 “Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” On the prophetic ‘Day of Atonement’ the Israelites were supposed to attire themselves in a very simple way. We are today in the actual real ‘day of atonement’. God’s message to and through all is to come out of Babylon. Eventually, whoever does not come out of Babylon will worship the beast, his image, and receive the mark of the beast; and as a result, will be lost. Is God going to have a group of people that will not be deceived by this? Yes. These are those who will be alive when the world is destroyed. They will survive the destruction of the world like Noah and his family survived at the time of the flood. They are known as the hundred and forty-four thousand. Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins… Did the sons of God defile themselves with women before the flood? What does a woman represent in Bible prophecy? (A woman is a symbol of a church.) God has a group of individuals in the end time that will not have spiritually apostate, adulterous relationships with popular churches. How are the apostate churches clothed and adorned? Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication… Are the wicked churches decked out the very same way as the daughters of men before the flood? Yes! However, God going to have a group of people that do not become defiled with these churches just like Noah and his family. 2Cor6:14: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers…”. It has become very common for the church today to adopt the practices and the culture of the world; the music of the world; adornment of the world; the fashion of the world. Despite the invasion of the church by wolves in sheep’s costume, God knows seven thousand in ‘Israel’; faithful, in harmony with the teaching of the Bible; not blending with the world in dress, adornment, or music. Some may say: “This is Old Testament; this doesn’t concern us.” Some; where the Scriptures demand a change of life or a sacrifice will say: “That was for the Jews; the Sabbath was for the Jews; unclean food was for the Jews, modesty; that was for the Jews.” Has God has changed? Does He expect less from us than he expected from His chosen people of the past? 1Pet 3:3 Whose adorning… What is the Greek word here behind ‘adorning’? It’s the word ‘kosmos’. It’s also where we get the word ‘cosmetics’ from. …let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel…” What is the adornment that God looks positively upon? The adornment of heart: 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1Tim 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Adornment should not be external, it should be internal. Did Jesus have any external physical attraction that people were drawn towards? Does the Bible describe Jesus’ physical appearance; His outer charisma? There is abundant description of his character. The inner qualities of Jesus shine forth in the Gospels, but “He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.” Isa 53:2 It can only be be the internal that attracts people to us; Christ in us, not the external.
The original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jewish and Christians commentators, starting in BC days, was the “Angel view” as I proved in my book, “On the Genesis 6 Affair’s Sons of God: Angels or Not?: A Survey of Early Jewish and Christian Commentaries Including Notes on Giants and the Nephilim.”
@@KenAmmi-Shalom Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. My study above unpacks the Bible and gives the Word the only Authority. This is Good enough for anyone who would obey and fear God rather than His creature.
Great video, just missing the logical devolution that informs our reality. The fall of the family, the uncomfortable truth of generational abuse. Fathers removed from the home by the mothers embrace of feminism with the children damaged through dereliction of duty. The modern family symbolised by the Kali Yuga with the cycles spinning the wheel.
@@unknown-zy6dp The Kandahar giant tall-tale is just an internet hoax based on some anonymous guys making vague claims about generic regions and sold to us by two guys who make a living by selling un-biblical tall-tales to Christians: LA Marzulli and the plagiarist and evolutionist Steven Quayle.
Sounds like making giants dumb today is propaganda on the giants of the past. 12:00 Giants in heaven should be understand as a misalignment of heaven and earth
Seems a bit broad, no pun intended. You seem to just be describing the pattern of the monster more generally. Moreover, I'm not sure I buy your take on the Giants in Jack and the Beanstalk. It looks like a bit of a deflection to point to "fractal patterns" and just say that the Giants there are an excess of body while being in the Heavens, because they are misaligned with a higher principal. I don't see that in any version of the tale I have ever heard. That story seems like an inverted version of Prometheous. Where rather than a Titan betraying the gods and bringing down technology, a human climbs up a beanstalk, reaches up into a land in the clouds and retreaves technology. To me, the fact that the Giants reside in the clouds is wrong, but not important. What us important is that when Jack is caught stealing from Heaven/The past, he is chased down to earth by the Giants, as in the UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of his actions. These unintended consequences could, in view of this analysis, be seen as Giants. What is even more interesting is that he is saved from these consequences by yet more technology (read, an axe 🪓). To me, this makes Jack and the Beanstalk out to be a kind of inverted, Satanic fairy tale. I think that other aspects point to this conclusion as well. In the end, I do think this symbolism stuff can become a real way to study the world, but Pageaou is going to have to give up his postmodern word games for a more honest and rigorous approach.
9:30 This is so interesting because the implication would be that human women are in fact so massive in flesh, that only the direct image of God can give that mass enough purpose to create a coherent being
@@TonyMetal No? Then explain why Mary (a human woman) was chosen to birth the son of God. Infinite matter can only be met with infinite meaning/spirit/judgement. An angel is just a fraction of God, so it's not enough to balance the proportion in a human woman.
I think Matthieu Pageau’s Genesis book should be required reading before viewing or commenting on Johnathan’s work. This stuff doesn’t make sense otherwise w/o a proper understanding of symbolism that isn’t your English teacher using Illuminati logic to tell you that the woman’s dress being purple in the book is a “symbol” for feminism in India.
The castle in the clouds the prototype of Technocracy. And there will be whole real estate in the Metaverse. The goal of Transhumanism is the co-mingling of Iron and Clay or Flesh and Technology (polymer). The Fallen Angels (via A.I.) merging with the Human via a Brain Computer Interface Interface. The Giants in the 'cloud' are waiting for this neuralink (beanstalk) to be (im)planted by humanity.
