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The Talkative Pilots That Crashed Their Plane | Eastern Airlines Flight 212 

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This is the story of eastern airlines flight 212. On the 11th of september 1974 an eastern airlines DC 9 was to fly from charleston in south carolina to charlotte in north carolina. At 7 am the plane departed Charleston with 78 passengers and 4 crew members on board. This would be a short flight and 22 minutes after takeoff the crew of flight 212 was in contact with atlanta ARTCC cleared flight 212 down to 8000 feet. In the cockpit the pilots were in contact with an operations service agent at charlotte and three other eastern airlines planes heading into charlotte. They were all talking about an in range checklist that was mandated by eastern airlines. Within 10 minutes this checklist was started and the atc controller queried the pilots about their altitude, at that point they were down to 10,000 feet on their descent down to 8000 feet. With that the plane was handed over to Charlotte approach and the controller briefed them on the approach that they'd be flying, he also cleared them to descend down to 6000 feet. The captain completed the in range checklist and said in range to which the first officer just said ok. As flight 212 descended down to 6000 feet, ATC asked the pilots to turn left to 360 degrees. As this approach was being flown the pilots in the cockpit were talking about things that didn't necessarily pertain to the operation of the aircraft.
After this left turn ATC cleared the plane down to 4000 feet and asked them to turn again, this time to 240 degrees. As the pilots slowed the plane they brought out the flaps bit by bit. By the time flight 212 had reached 3000 feet they had been handed off to the tower controller. Charlotte tower informed the pilots that they were about 5 miles away from a point known as ross intersection and that they were number 2 in line for landing. So far this flight has been uneventful, boring even, it resembled every other flight that takes off and lands every minute of everyday but soon that would change.
Within minutes the captain stated “ross 5.5 1800” for the approach to runway 36 ross point is what's known as a final approach fix. At a final approach fix you must have your plane in a particular state, you have to be at the right speed at the right altitude that sort of stuff, its a way to make sure that youre where youre supposed to be. This way youre perfectly set up for a safe landing. At this point the runway was about 10 miles miles away theyd be on the ground soon.
On their way in the pilots peered out of the cockpit looking for the carrowinds its a tower in an amusement park near the flight path and its very tall with bright lights on it. Pilots can easily ID it from the air With the tower positively IDed they dropped the gear. In the cockpit there was a steady tone indicating that the plane was less than 1000 feet above the ground. In the cockpit final preparations were being made for the landing. Someone in the cockpit said 394, that was their minimum descent altitude and the other pilot agreed, they also brought out the flaps to 50 degrees. The captain let the controller know that they were by the ross intersection and the controller gave flight 212 their landing clearance. In the cockpit the captain said “yeah were all ready, all weve got to do is find the airport” “yeah said the first officer. One and a half second after the yeah had been recorded the CVR recorded both pilots shouting, and then it recorded silence.
Flight 212, the aircraft had struck some trees just miles from runway 36. Of the 82 occupants 10 people survived.

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@robcourtney6332
@robcourtney6332 2 года назад
Remember, this was long before cellphones. It took my Dad (who was a MIA-based DC-9 F/O at the time) three hours to get to a phone and tell Mom "That wasn't me."
@sludge4125
@sludge4125 2 года назад
Scary time for mom. Probably seemed like 30 hours to her.
@kneel1
@kneel1 2 года назад
@@jmax8692yeah well my pops always said "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all"
@jvon3885
@jvon3885 2 года назад
@@kneel1 Mr two first names Jay Max acting like the comment section is his and his alone. It always baffles me how these types of humans behave in public.
@Coastfog
@Coastfog 2 года назад
@@jmax8692 😂 adorable
@KabbalahSherry
@KabbalahSherry 2 года назад
@@jvon3885- Especially since we all know they'd never have the balls to do it to people to their faces. 🙄 smh
@sct913
@sct913 2 года назад
Anyone else find the pilot's utterance "Yah, now all we need to do is find the airport" particularly disturbing?
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 2 года назад
Yah !
@stay_at_home_astronaut
@stay_at_home_astronaut 2 года назад
No, that is normal.
@AdrianColley
@AdrianColley 2 года назад
They knew where the airport was and what their MDA was. All they really needed was to find the altimeter.
@starwarzchik112
@starwarzchik112 2 года назад
“Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Anyone have Google Maps?”
@youtubemusicowesmemoney8470
@youtubemusicowesmemoney8470 2 года назад
What you aren't aware of is Carowinds: the amusement park that they uses as a landmark for their final approach. The aviation related feature of the park was/is the Eastern Observatory Tower: a near 900 ft tower that was an attraction at the park. The tower is in line with one of the primary runways of CLT ITl airport( the localizer is SE of the airport) about 12 miles from the airport from the South, the approach pattern that was flown that day by the a/c. The beacon atop the tower has been used as a navigation waypoint for decades, so many pilots use it as a reference to the airport's direction. Edit: YES! Eastern Airlines sponsored the tower. It resembles a small version of the Seattle Space Needle, except the circular observation deck could ascend and descent the tower. At the top the viewer could easily see Charlotte Douglas International, amd most of the buildings in downtown Charlotte. It is quite a landmark. Unfortunately the upkeep and maintenance was too much and it is no longer used for visitors.
@jamesstuart3346
@jamesstuart3346 2 года назад
Crew's main goof was having both pilots looking out the window for landmarks during an approach, where instruments are critical
@user-bb6nw2fr8p
@user-bb6nw2fr8p 2 года назад
one flys ....one looks out...always fly the ship...the captain should how constantly cked the altitude especially in fog!!!!!!!
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад
You know, that would be me. I am talkative, and easily distracted, cos I have ADHD. :) By the time I would be done with the conversation, the jet would look like a crumpled tin can.
@SiniTuulia
@SiniTuulia 2 года назад
@@thatguyalex2835 I would propably forget to ”pull up” during take off roll
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад
@@SiniTuulia I would probably pull up when I get to 150 knots, way too fast for the airliner.
@__KursK__
@__KursK__ 2 года назад
@@thatguyalex2835 Same tbh
@Shelsight
@Shelsight 2 года назад
This was the crash that killed Stephen Colbert's father and two brothers when he was just 10 years old. Their dad was taking them for their new term at boarding school. He talks about it so painfully still, to Anderson Cooper on an interview about grief. So sad for him and all the other families torn apart forever, by a few minutes of totally unnecessary negligence...
@_01waldorandooskichambers01_
@_01waldorandooskichambers01_ 2 года назад
Yes, I have heard him talking about it. Its so heartbreaking that after almost, not quite 50 years later its still gets to him. Well when you lose one of your parents as a child, its not something you will ever get over. My dad lost his mom when he was 9 years old & until the day he passed away, it still bothered him. R.I.P. to the 72 people who died on flight 212!
@trent3872
@trent3872 2 года назад
Hes a liberal jack... who cares.
@hodie9551
@hodie9551 2 года назад
@@trent3872 Agenda: 1 Humanity: 0 Good score!
@trent3872
@trent3872 2 года назад
@@hodie9551 like the leftist commies don't celebrate when a regular human being dies, go back and check all the Twitter feeds when Rush Limbaugh died. Love the leftist commie hypocrisy.
@Shelsight
@Shelsight 2 года назад
@@trent3872 you would care, if you lost yr dad and yr much loved teenage brothers. And i would have empathy for you - empathy that wld transcend any political differences, even after your comment with its trolling & total lack of human kindness. I despised everything Rush Limbaugh stood for politically and the hatred & division i believe he sowed. But that was my own view of him politically, and i accept others saw him differently - and i never felt one second of pleasure over his illness and death. My dad also died of lung cancer - in our arms - and i wouldn't wish it on any human. The fact that you gloat over the premature deaths of Colbert's dad and teenage brothers is disturbing- and reflects far more on you as a person than it does any political differences... i hope you seek guidance or help.
@ljre3397
@ljre3397 2 года назад
This wasn’t pilot error it was pilot negligence. Great video. Thanks again.
@SillyNep
@SillyNep 2 года назад
Negligence is a type of error isn't it?
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland 2 года назад
In my opinion, their conversation was just the symptom of the underlying issue: they were bored stiff. Perhaps they had been flying the same tedious route hundreds of times without little or no change in routine. And if you can sleepwalk your way to your final destination, some day you may reach it a bit sooner than expected.
@TheBeingReal
@TheBeingReal 2 года назад
Not bored: unprofessional. Not the first time, and still happens today, although much improved.
@theduke7539
@theduke7539 2 года назад
@@TheBeingReal lack of work breeds unprofessional behavior. Busy people are far more professional than idle workers. Regardless of field. And I think that was the point OP was getting at.
@rod1147
@rod1147 2 года назад
My worst fear: dying at the hands of trum.per pilots... smh
@cjr1881
@cjr1881 2 года назад
@@rod1147 gfys
@MrArgus11111
@MrArgus11111 2 года назад
@@rod1147 let's go Brandon!
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 года назад
As with just about every disaster that ever happened, in the air and everywhere else. this was not down to one single factor but rather several coinciding together. Clearly pilot error was a big one. The pilots' extended, casual chat didn't allow them to spot danger until it was too late to correct it. This case reminds us of the importance of a sterile cockpit. That rule must have saved many lives over the years since it was introduced. Great reconstruction and commentary, bravo! A needless tragedy.
@wyomingadventures
@wyomingadventures 2 года назад
Yeah a chain of events that went wrong. That's how accidents happen.
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 года назад
@@wyomingadventures Thank you, a great post. Human beings have a simplistic compulsion to blame disaster on one person or mistake. But calamities like this, are rarely so simply explained!
@sailaab
@sailaab 2 года назад
Wyoming Adventures... 😁sarcasm¡¿
@jayreiter268
@jayreiter268 2 года назад
This may be the incident that initiated the 10000 ' sterile cockpit rule.
@Teh_Random_Canadian
@Teh_Random_Canadian 2 года назад
@Fidd88 What are you talking about? Pilots are rarely blamed unless it is proven without a doubt they are at fault. The NTSB launches an extremely throughout report on what caused the crash, they never jump to conclusions and blame the pilots preemptively. As for technological advances they without a doubt make flying much safer, and this accident wouldn't have happened if it was a modern aircraft. As for the AoA sensers, once that was discovered all planes that had these were grounded immediately until rectified...
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 года назад
Thought at first this was going to be the “how many pilots does it take to change a lightbulb” crash. Man, there were a lot of accidents back before CRM. Amazing how much safer aviation is now!!!
@druzod6017
@druzod6017 2 года назад
That was eastern 401. The ghost crash.
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 года назад
@@druzod6017 I’m not very good with remembering flight numbers. 🤪
@druzod6017
@druzod6017 2 года назад
@@nerysghemor5781 all good. I'm even worse with numbers. But I had the book "the ghost of flight 401" when I was a kid.
@nerysghemor5781
@nerysghemor5781 2 года назад
@Fidd88 I definitely think some additional training revisions are needed. OR...and this may be heresy...scaling back the automation a little bit.
@druzod6017
@druzod6017 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2asQvO_VjX0.html
@rilmar2137
@rilmar2137 2 года назад
It's always a good day when Mini ACI uploads. The pilots focusing on all the wrong things is definitely the main cause of this crash. It immediately made me think of how there was a pretty thick fog in my city just the other day (no mishaps, thanks to the crews actually paying attention and doing their job).
@aldenconsolver3428
@aldenconsolver3428 2 года назад
The sterile cockpit rule is very very good. The monotonous warning tone was obviously a contributor also Sadly though in the end the pilots did not have their minds on their business, even worse this was in fog which makes the easy-going attitude really unacceptable even if so simple to slip into.
@badmonkey2222
@badmonkey2222 2 года назад
Being a pilot requires 100% all of the time and the stress is overwhelming at times, my dad was a pilot flew for United for 30 years and I saw what it did to him, just witnessing what I did made me have no desire whatsoever to want to be a pilot.
@philhughes3882
@philhughes3882 2 года назад
Ever driven a car with a passenger talking nonstop, brain numbing Idiocy? THAT can make even driving way more difficult so god knows what affect this has on pilots, especially when landing. It really should have been obvious long before regulations were introduced.
@williamwordsworth5671
@williamwordsworth5671 2 года назад
@Stella Hoenheim did the 80 others on board deserve to die too? Do you realise just how obnoxious your comments are?
@sct913
@sct913 2 года назад
As important as it is, the sterile cockpit rule wasn't in place at the time of this crash. As the narrator noted, it actually wasn't instituted until several years later.
@Rapscallion2009
@Rapscallion2009 2 года назад
The desire to be social is very strong. There is a time and place for it, though. This patently wasn't it... In my non-professional view. It's probably not a problem to chat a little socially whilst flying over an ocean at 30,000 feet with little traffic around and mainly monitoring instruments and comms, in fact it probably helps relieve the boredom and fatigue somewhat and helps the crew gel a little.
@johnmason-smith
@johnmason-smith 2 года назад
From Wiki: Among the fatalities was the vice president for academic affairs of the Medical University of South Carolina, James William Colbert Jr., and two of his sons; they were the father and brothers of future television personality Stephen Colbert.
@quasarsavage
@quasarsavage 2 года назад
Holy shit I never knew that and have been watching colbert since like 2016
@YankeeGirl226
@YankeeGirl226 2 года назад
Yup. I remember reading about this a few years ago.
@JasonFlorida
@JasonFlorida 2 года назад
Wow it's too bad those details were missed on this video. Excellent work my friend! I sure would also like to listen to the CVR... I wonder what was so important that they focused on the conversation and not flying the damn plane!
@michaelscott356
@michaelscott356 2 года назад
@@JasonFlorida Obviously you can't put Ford and a Chevy driver in the same cockpit!
@tracycolvin7789
@tracycolvin7789 3 месяца назад
Sad that they died. However, I can't stand Stephen Colbert!! He pushes his liberal agenda down people's throat, mocks anyone that doesn't agree with him. He's pathetic!😠🤮
@WendyKS93
@WendyKS93 2 года назад
When you hear "yeah now all we have to do is find the airport" you just somehow know that flight's doomed. That comment by both pilots was very disturbing to hear. Sounds like they were focused on everything except their flying.
@fogweaver5633
@fogweaver5633 2 года назад
Other planes managed to take off and land safely despite the fog. Their conversation was the final factor that caused the crash. It interfered with them completing checklists and callouts and monitoring the instruments.
@robertj5208
@robertj5208 2 года назад
So nostalgic to see the Eastern DC9 again!!
@hotsoup1001
@hotsoup1001 2 года назад
Amazing how many tragedies start out as normal boring routine. Kind of like how they say most car accidents happen when you're close to home.
@W2wxftcxxtcrw
@W2wxftcxxtcrw 2 года назад
They happen close to home because statistically you are either leaving or arriving home more frequently then anywhere else. So logically if you were to get in an accident it would have the highest chance of being close to home.
@SgtJoeSmith
@SgtJoeSmith 2 года назад
It's like within 2 miles of home. And for a lot of people work, school, grocery store are within 2 or 3 miles of home. And yes you are in familiar area and slower speeds and day dream or don't pay as much attention vs driving 75 on freeway. Also a lot of those accidents are in parking lots or result of balls, animals, kids running into streets. Like other guy said you spend more time within 2 miles of home than 50 miles. I rarely even have stereo on anymore when driving. I drive as focused as race car driver
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 2 года назад
Complacency KILLS... probably as simple as that. AND for the record, I ride a motorcycle, and my favorite "ear-plugs" (because wind whips like a banshee through a helmet) are my ear-buds... Have been since they were invented. A little white noise does wonders for keeping my mind up and focused, so long as I don't pick something stupid like orchestra or soft rock and slow music... DO NOT play a lullaby when you're on the road for hours... I don't care HOW much fun it is. By the same note, though... JUST listening to the wind roar through the helmet can be as monotonous a tone as anything else, so be careful about "too sterile" in your environment. ;o)
@michaelscott356
@michaelscott356 2 года назад
I agree with your "complacency" comment, but have to DISAGREE on your earbud "strategy". There's a reason they call it white noise, and that's because it has zero character or complexity. Only ear PLUGS... Not buds... can accomplish that. As soon as you add music to your on-road inputs, your just asking your brain to start humming, singing along, thinking about lyrics, old girlfriends, what grade you were in when the song came out, etc, etc, etc. I've been riding for 60 years AND taught the official motorcycle safety course and believe me, the LAST thing recommended for safe bike riding is MUSIC of ANY kind in the "pilot's" ears.
@gnarthdarkanen7464
@gnarthdarkanen7464 2 года назад
@@michaelscott356 The tactic may not be for everybody... BUT not everybody is known to ride two days straight, stopping only for food, gas, and bathrooms... It may sound great and look great on paper, but ear-plugs only dull down the steady roar of wind whipping through the helmet, not entirely eliminate it or offer any kind of relief from basically a solid steady "BZHZHZHZHZHZHZ...." as you go, slowly and steadily eroding away any sensibility you have... Just enough volume to hear the music at all is a shift... It's enough to stay awake and clear... You're thinking, and even if every single syllable of thought isn't necessarily about "easy in easy out" or "reading traffic" (that may not even be in front of you for upwards of an hour at a time)... It matters MORE (in my opinion) that you're actively thinking at all... I've put down probably in excess of a million miles in more than a dozen countries... Never a serious accident, though a hand full of stupid situations... you know the usual... tread-worn boot lands in dog-shit or whatever and slump right over... or try to pause at the end of my own driveway (gravel) and not quite have the forks "dead straight"... The only thing I've battered since I was 15 (old enough for a street legal license) has been my pride... and the occasional paint-job. BUT you do you... You know your mental capacity better than anyone else in the world. I know mine... AND ripping down the highway to "I Can't Drive 55" or "DILLIGAF" is just engaging enough to keep me on my toes... not like I can hear a hell of a lot around me (plugs or no) anyways... ;o)
@spetzspas
@spetzspas 2 года назад
One of my favorite things about these videos is the part at the end that shows the "alternative reality" of the planes landing safely at their destinations but man was that a Ryanair worthy landing.
@williamsstephens
@williamsstephens 2 года назад
Hippity-hop, bounce down the runway.
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад
Same here. :) I like alternative realities that are better than the sad reality. Also, have you watched Swiss001? He makes fun of Ryan Air landings, and says a smooth landing = butter landing. He got me into watching aviation channels back in 2020.
@quigglebert
@quigglebert 2 года назад
I feel a verbal warning of the actual altitude would have avoided this accident rather than a warning tone easily tuned out
@TheRockprincess1697
@TheRockprincess1697 2 года назад
Yeah I have watched a lot of landing videos and a lot of times the pilot ignores the altitude warnings because of the nature of the landings they do. (though unlike here, they are aware of what they are doing lol)
@rjhornsby
@rjhornsby 2 года назад
today, the aircraft’s ground proximity warning system would’ve likely kicked in with an audible voice “too low, terrain. pull up. pull up.” you might get a call from ATC “Eastern 121 check your altitude, showing 1000ft. MVA (minimum altitude) 2500. Altimeter 2987.” and if that wasn’t enough you’ll hear something from ATC like “Eastern 121, low altitude alert.” If you still haven’t done anything the urgency steps up significantly - “Eastern 121 low altitude alert. climb immediately! Eastern 121 climb! climb now 6000!” If there is rising terrain, you may also be instructed to turn.
@FlyingDoctorC
@FlyingDoctorC 2 года назад
It 1980, text to speech computer was not something that fit in a plane. Yay…stick to no chatter during critical parts of landing. Landings are a controlled crashed.
@quigglebert
@quigglebert 2 года назад
@@FlyingDoctorC This I did not know
@thatguyalex2835
@thatguyalex2835 2 года назад
@@micaheiber1419 You could just have a computer circuit turn on a prerecorded tape message with an angry flight instructor's voice that says "dang bro, just pull the nose up already"
@3cs704
@3cs704 Месяц назад
The crash site is in the woods behind a church at 7400 S Tryon St in Charlotte for those familiar with the area. It was out in the country in 1974 but that area is developed now. The woods sit between the church and a subdivision.
@livelyupmyself1
@livelyupmyself1 2 года назад
“Loose lips sink ships” means that when people talk about a ship’s known route - it’s more likely to be pirated because people know where it’s going.
@chrisredfield6274
@chrisredfield6274 2 года назад
Not pirated. It's a war time saying, so it means the enemy can find it and hit it with a U-boat torpedo.
@badasshiker9637
@badasshiker9637 2 года назад
Back in 1975, I had joined my local fire department (about an hour away from where the crash happened) and went to a weekend fire school. I attended a class taught by the fire chief who was in charge of this mass casualty incident until the feds took over. He had about 300 pictures someone took that didn't make it into the hands of the NTSB. This were not edited so it showed everything.
@anthonyhorsey3369
@anthonyhorsey3369 4 месяца назад
I wish l could see those pictures!!!! I was on Westing house blvd on my way to school on that foggy morning when it happened...
@jenisemcintyre3839
@jenisemcintyre3839 2 года назад
Your narration style is very informative and your voice cadence is easy to listen to and not nerve racking. Excellent content, thanks!
@IrisRiedel6
@IrisRiedel6 2 года назад
I can't imagine how the 10 who survived felt after knowing that everyone else around them died because the people they were entrusted to were too chill.
@eucliduschaumeau8813
@eucliduschaumeau8813 2 года назад
The sterile cockpit rule was not implemented yet when the "chatty" crew of this flight caused the crash of their plane. The horrible collision and crash of PSA Flight 182 in 1978 was also partially blamed for a great deal of non flight-related chatter occurring during the approach. I'd imagine that the "sterile cockpit" mandate was heavily influenced by both the crash of Eastern Flight 212 and the crash of PSA Flight 182.
@JackRowsey
@JackRowsey 2 года назад
And also twice before take off, two airliners forgot to lower flaps for take off position. They crashed at the end of the airfield. The reason was non-aircraft talk before take off.
@hassanalihusseini1717
@hassanalihusseini1717 2 года назад
As an introvert I could easily adjust to the "sterile cockpit rule". That seem s to make beeing pilot atrractive to me! I just hate small talk.But too late for me to be pilot. :-)
@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath 2 года назад
And yet, Sully got away with violating the sterile cockpit rule, by not only chatting but sightseeing proven by his admiration of the beauty of the Hudson, possibly causing him to not notice the geese in time
@hassanalihusseini1717
@hassanalihusseini1717 2 года назад
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Don't you think it was impossible to see them in good time? I think it was not possible But I don't know.
@piratesswoop725
@piratesswoop725 2 года назад
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath He made that remark 40 seconds before the impact with the geese, and honestly, there was probably not much he could have done even if he had seen them before the impact.
@shawnstrode3825
@shawnstrode3825 2 года назад
I once was assembling emergency brake systems for cars. My focus was someones life depended upon this functioning properly every time.
@TOMVUTHEPIMP
@TOMVUTHEPIMP 2 года назад
Emergency brakes on cars are not for emergencies. They're for parking your car on hills. You iz not smartz....
@shawnstrode3825
@shawnstrode3825 2 года назад
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Actually the cable system exceeded government standards to bring a 70 mph vehicle to a complete stop. And park on hills.
@allanrichardson9081
@allanrichardson9081 2 года назад
There was another Eastern crash in the middle of the Everglades near Miami caused by the entire crew focusing on one burned out light bulb. I forgot the date but I do remember it involved an L-1011.
@arwenundomiel9330
@arwenundomiel9330 Год назад
December 29, 1972 Eastern flight 401
@extendo7137
@extendo7137 2 года назад
There is a saying "never get too comfortable in cockpit", I think these crew never heard of it
@mcrowley8460
@mcrowley8460 2 года назад
I like how weathered the DC9 looks
@dalebrown322
@dalebrown322 2 года назад
I represented ALPA in the maintenance portion of the investigation and this brings it all back. From the beginning of the investigation we could not believe it happened, but it did. This was before the sterile cockpit and yes we talked about many things while we were flying but it normally stopped in a IFR approach. And I heard something like "all we need to do is find the airport" but that was after the final checklist was complete. This approach was not an ILS approach so they didn't have the glide slope for reference. They cross Ross at 1800 and begin final descent from that point to the decision height. Another thing that this narrative missed was there were three altimeters in the cockpit. Two of them read "0" altitude at touchdown while the Captain's standby altimeter had the field elevation at touchdown. For this reason there was not a lot of surprise when the Ross readout was 1000 feet off. The bottom line was pilot error but like all others there were many factors.
@alskdjfhg0
@alskdjfhg0 2 года назад
Probably my favorite channel right now. Great voice, and i appreciate the sims in the videos.
@3ofus135
@3ofus135 2 года назад
Excellent. I appreciate the clarity of your video and no emotional background music at the end.
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
I had to get rid of a couple different alarm clocks in my life because I became accustomed to their tones and started sleeping right through them. They were loud enough to wake my neighbors in the house next door, but not me. It's always better to have more random sounds than an assortment of monotonous tones to grab your attention.
@n-steam
@n-steam 2 года назад
Sounds need to be distinct and recognisable for the pilot to know their meaning, otherwise alarms would be going off and the pilots won't know what's wrong.
@JasonFlorida
@JasonFlorida 2 года назад
Another great video! I sure enjoy and appreciate your work! Thank You! - Jason
@terryconnors6334
@terryconnors6334 2 года назад
I was living in Charlotte NC when this happened. I actually worked this crash sight. I had just joined the National Guard based at the Charlotte Airport which was used as the morgue where we handled the remains of the people that were on board. I actually was at the crash site the day after it happened and worked in the National Guard Armory with the remains in identification. Most of the people died from smoke inhalation because they were afraid to run through the fires that were on each end of the main fuselage. The tail had broken off as had the flight deck section. The aircraft flew into the trees at a slightly left wing down angle as is a starting left turn. The wheels hit the ground on a small hill and the aircraft bounced over a slight dip and impacted a second small hill and broke apart. I have thought about this accident for decades and never knew the outcome of the NTSB report until now. I have searched for it on the internet and just now found it here. There is a lot more to the story that I know .
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 2 года назад
Thank you for your service. I can’t imagine what you went through.
@ohnoitsdani
@ohnoitsdani Год назад
You were one of the possible people that identified a relative of mine I just discovered. Thank you for what you've done. ❤️
@terryconnors6334
@terryconnors6334 Год назад
@@ohnoitsdani you are very welcome.
@MMM_MADness
@MMM_MADness 2 года назад
Distraction, by being to bored. The flight was so routine, so normal and without incident that they got so bored they get lulled into a safe feeling and so ignore thing, running on routine. Nothing was keeping their attention, so they get to talking and is doing things they are use to on "autopilot" so to speak. And then one little slip up makes their altitude to low and they miss it because all is just normal and fine, and so one look at the altitude and see 600-700 and just assume thats the normal 1600-1700 instead of checking, because all is fine and normal. at least that would be my feeling. it is like when I drive a car, if all is well, a nice quiet car, ones attention can start to drift, it get boring, nothing really keeps my attention and I can start to go faster than i should, or miss a turn off because I am just a bit zoned out. Where as if it is a trip to a new place I keep much better focus on where I am, and so dont miss the turn off or get to drift into high speed.
@AstoundingAmelia
@AstoundingAmelia 2 года назад
Yeah, autopilot is a well known phenomenon
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
it seems to me that chitchat is best reserved for cruising altitude
@ronniewall1481
@ronniewall1481 2 года назад
I'VE SAID FOR YEARS THEY NEED OFF PLANE MONITORING OF COCKPIT WHEN COMING IN FOR A LANDING OR TAKE OFF.
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
@@ronniewall1481 what would that entail?
@michaelscott356
@michaelscott356 2 года назад
@@MrTaxiRob Hiring thousands of grandmothers to listen in... and reprimand the "kids" if/when they hear idle chit-chat. Lol.
@TheRockprincess1697
@TheRockprincess1697 2 года назад
I think they were too laidback. Its a close flight so they probably have done it sooo many times they have in their subconscious "theres nothing that can go wrong in such a short flight"
@togafly.
@togafly. 2 года назад
Not necessarily because of the short flight
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
I think the narrator said "routine flight" as in there was no extreme weather or unusual approach required for the airport. If this particular crew had made the flight often enough to call it "routine," then I doubt they would have made this mistake. Motor memory would have kicked in.
@SushruthSivaramakrishnan
@SushruthSivaramakrishnan 2 года назад
Super, thanks for the new video!
@DrMackSplackem
@DrMackSplackem 2 года назад
Hey, I just want to say that your audio has improved a whole lot in the last few months. I think it could be made better still, and you are certainly on the right track.
@torgeirbrandsnes1916
@torgeirbrandsnes1916 2 года назад
Great vlog as always! This accident is a blue print of the Braathens (BU) 239 dec. 23rd 1972. With a Fokker F-28.
@ross9581
@ross9581 2 года назад
Also more or less similar to Colgan Air, flight 3407...
@kernow9324
@kernow9324 2 года назад
I'm enjoying your channel. Liked and subscribed.
@rethablair6902
@rethablair6902 2 года назад
Those POOR PASSENGERS😭
@johnmahoney3566
@johnmahoney3566 2 года назад
The Pilots were pure dummies. Just stupid. As shit. Tsa’shame. Tough luck.
@Ronin4614
@Ronin4614 2 года назад
Great review, thank you.
@glenrosarian2352
@glenrosarian2352 5 месяцев назад
The pilot's comment that all they needed to do now was to find the airport really caught my attention here, especially since the plane was fully configured for landing already. It seemed a bit disconcerting. And you'd think they would have paid more attention to their altitude flying low to the ground in thick fog. If they had, they probably would have been able to take corrective action.
@aduboi1534
@aduboi1534 2 года назад
I was supposed to be on this flight. However I was injured and put in the Naval hospital in Charleston. My Commander Captain Hoel died here as well as a few other Naval Officers I worked with.
@duncandmcgrath6290
@duncandmcgrath6290 2 года назад
A strong reminder of the human factors “dirty dozen” ….Complacency and distraction
@williamkirby3552
@williamkirby3552 2 года назад
It's hard to believe that just before landing, in foggy conditions no less, these guys couldn't motivate themselves to focus on what they were doing. The inability to see around or below would have had me paying real close attention to that altimeter.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 2 года назад
Was this the crash that killed Stephen Colberts father and brothers?
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 2 года назад
yep thats the one
@williamsstephens
@williamsstephens 2 года назад
Oh, my.
@DavisMyrick
@DavisMyrick 2 года назад
Yes it was.
@lukethomas658
@lukethomas658 Год назад
I looked this up because I read about Stephen Colbert losing his dad and two brothers in the crash. He's just one of the people impacted by the butterfly effect of bored pilots. It's very sad. Good video, you present what happened well.
@bret9741
@bret9741 2 года назад
It’s sad. I remember this and many other accidents being used to teach flight crews in ground school. We have all benefited from those who have gone before us. I wonder if I would have made similar mistakes had our training not been so good……. had we not the advantage of learning from others mistakes. We hear of the pilot errors all the time but most people have no idea how often pilots actually save themselves and all onboard. We have some huge advantages today. The radar altimeter and the advancements in ATC radar is on a magnitude of scale better than at this time. Truly, their visiting was less of a factor than a total loss of positional awareness.
@VetmedUK
@VetmedUK 2 года назад
I'm impressed with your content, I have subscribed some time ago and everytime when I watch your videos I'm very happy to see that your subscribers are growing in numbers :) Keep up the good work!
@timmack2415
@timmack2415 2 года назад
His videos are so well researched, written and narrated, it's amazing. I'm addicted to this channel!
@Syclone0044
@Syclone0044 2 года назад
@@timmack2415 I joined a year or so ago around 30,000 subscribers back when he just used loops of stock footage of airplanes landing and taking off, and it’s been awesome watching his subscriber number rocket ever skyward as he’s greatly enhanced the quality of his content. His silver RU-vid plaque for 100K (shown on his Community Posts) is well deserved! 🥳
@shortsxpranil
@shortsxpranil 2 года назад
Another superb one BTW can you make a vid on Air India 885
@waynestone6462
@waynestone6462 2 года назад
A similar accident happened in my hometown town of Lexington Kentucky when Comair flight 5191 crashed after take off when the pilots violated the sterile cockpit rule and took off from the wrong runway which was much shorter .
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 2 года назад
I think they even took the wrong plane! What a huge blunder.
@jakemurray8233
@jakemurray8233 2 года назад
@@5roundsrapid263 No- it was not the wrong plane. However, they did violate the sterile cockpit. I blame at least 75% on the airport. Bluegrass Field was a mess. If you view the runways that day, it was actually an easy mistake to take the wrong runway. The pilots were negligent but I blame the airport. They had to cross the closed one, which had no visible signs other than numbers, to get to the longer runway. And the air traffic controller also didn’t notice. Lots of blame to share on that one.
@5roundsrapid263
@5roundsrapid263 2 года назад
@@jakemurray8233 Since then, the FAA has made runway signs much brighter and clearer. Also, the runways are very clearly marked. I notice it every time I fly.
@abhiramsankaras1026
@abhiramsankaras1026 2 года назад
Even though there is the sterile cockpit rule, pilots even now don't follow it properly... And it has caused a lot of other accidents
@77chevy4x4
@77chevy4x4 2 года назад
You got to keep em separated…
@huzaifakhambhati8767
@huzaifakhambhati8767 2 года назад
@@77chevy4x4 The two pilots? Yea sure then how are they supposed to communicate with each other....
@michaelscott356
@michaelscott356 2 года назад
@@huzaifakhambhati8767 I assume he's talking about the two types of conversation!
@gistsc
@gistsc 2 года назад
What really sucks is that it took the FAA years to make a change in the cockpit. The sterile cockpit rule should have been enacted within days or weeks of the discovery of the cause of this crash, not years.
@jackwebb5917
@jackwebb5917 2 года назад
I love your videos!
@BrodyMulligan
@BrodyMulligan 2 года назад
Good video. Keep it up!
@philipmason3218
@philipmason3218 2 года назад
I'm an instructor on heavy plant and tower cranes. The issue you describe regarding the alarms being an annoying distraction (which is what they're meant to be) leading crew members to simply ignore or bypass them is very well known. In my industry more passive alerts are being trailed, such as a softly spoken woman, various seat rumblers, similar to stick shakers, one even uses a blast of cold air along with normal annoying alarms. If things start to get really serious the alarms can't be cancelled until safe operation is resumed and radio contact with a manager is established. Enjoying your channel, very informative 👍
@benjaminshields5833
@benjaminshields5833 2 года назад
This was a failure on a lot of different levels. They were lost on the approach. They had no situational awareness about their position or altitude which was compounded by their lack of basic competence and discipline.
@yellowrose0910
@yellowrose0910 2 года назад
Where was ATC?!
@alltunedj1234
@alltunedj1234 2 года назад
I really like the way you "talk" through the flight vs. putting words on the screen.
@emotionaloveracorolla5274
@emotionaloveracorolla5274 2 года назад
It's sort of a good thing
@mikebravo3527
@mikebravo3527 2 года назад
7:25 I think you meant too low** 😁 love the videos man!
@raulcrudele1
@raulcrudele1 2 года назад
Besides later cockpit rules, a foggy environment deserves extra care and attention, which may not have been this case
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 года назад
Contemporary flight management systems should be more like the voice on my Google Maps navigation. “Prepare to turn; your exit is in 2 miles; etc.”. Such FMS databases could include minimum altitudes and speeds at waypoints and intersections and voice call-outs for discrepancies. Modern cockpits already have too many alarm tones that become white noise over time.
@YYZBound
@YYZBound 2 года назад
There are some warnings that use the same tone (ACARS message, CPDLC message, Cabin Call, SELCAL… lots of manufactures seem to use the same or similar tones for this stuff). For altitude and configuration warnings on approach the GPWS is pretty good nowadays. We get a voice that reads off altitudes for us, something for approach minimums, warnings about the gear and flaps and, if the ground is rushing up to meet us, increasingly dire and difficult-to-ignore alerts (“whoop whoop… terrain! terrain! pull up! pull up!”)
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 года назад
@@YYZBound Thank you for the reply! I’ve watched a ton of in-cockpit videos and have become reasonably familiar with the tones and recorded warnings you mention. I always laugh at the Airbus voice during the flare… “Retard, retard”! I’m a boomer whose dream of professional flying was cut short in 6th grade when my eyes were diagnosed 20-200. Back then, nearly perfect uncorrected vision was a requirement. Cheers!
@bp2352
@bp2352 2 года назад
Just get rid of pilots all together. But I think that’s the plan.
@scriptkiddie4240
@scriptkiddie4240 10 месяцев назад
The thumbnail is amazing
@michaelscott356
@michaelscott356 2 года назад
The fact that the 1st officer gave "testimony" obviously means HE survived. If he wasn't charged with negligence causing death, I hope to hell he at LEAST lost his commercial pilot certification for LIFE!
@KentuckyFriedChildren
@KentuckyFriedChildren 2 года назад
Fun Fact: The phrase "Loose Lips Sink Ships" was created partially to keep people from spreading rumors or news that would harm morale.
@robertp9218
@robertp9218 7 месяцев назад
Wrong. It was coined during the 2nd World War. They did not want ship movements to be talked about so the Germans wouldn't know about the movements of the convoys. There were many German spies that would relay the movements to the U-boats.
@andresvillarreal9271
@andresvillarreal9271 2 года назад
Maybe the biggest red flag should have been the fog. You have to know that your brain relaxes when the dangers are unseen, so you have to consciously look for the signs of danger when you are being isolated from the obvious danger signals. A similar situation happens when you are on a winding mountain road. When you see another car 100 meters away, you feel insecure and do not overpass. But when you see only 50 meters of road, and there are no cars there, you feel secure and might try to overpass a slow truck, for example. Your feeling of safety comes from what you see, not from what you should know that might be hidden.
@pcgamer0106
@pcgamer0106 2 года назад
If anything, I feel like I’m hyper alert when my vision is shit, some people need to realize any night can be a tragedy
@jamesreynolds5091
@jamesreynolds5091 7 месяцев назад
I hate driving through fog. I can't imagine flying through it.
@IGetModerateSleep69420
@IGetModerateSleep69420 2 года назад
My dad works at atlanta hearts field Jackson (ATL) he’s worked there for 25 years
@bourbon497gypsum7
@bourbon497gypsum7 Год назад
I watched WCIV News anchor Wayne Seal host the 6 PM news on Tuesday Sept. 10, 1974. The next morning we lost him in this terrible crash. He was a wonderful TV talent and he's not forgotten.
@PukeBucket6598
@PukeBucket6598 2 года назад
OMG!!! He's back, the JCS of air crash investigation!
@gerardmoran9560
@gerardmoran9560 2 года назад
Another great job evaluating an accident! Even before my USAF days and well before my airline days I read every transport aircraft accident report. I felt it was a grim but essential duty. Several times in the cockpit something began to unfold that was alarming- it resembled mistakes of aviators who met a tragic end. In a way their errors are warning signs for all who study such events. Spotting familiar landmarks can be reassuring and perhaps part of a visual approach but in IMC it's never a replacement for instrument procedures. The cockpit crew was not focused on the control of the flightpath and airspeed. Even before the sterile cockpit rule good airmanship should make situational awareness more important than a casual chat. The more you fly the easier it becomes to get it right, but it's always as easy to screw things up as it was the first day you flew.
@crankychris2
@crankychris2 2 года назад
Eastern Flight 401 is another tale of distracted pilots: [Actual flight recorder] Pilot: We did something to the altitude! Copilot: What? Pilot: We're stll at 2,000 feet, right? Copilot: HEY...what's happening? beep beep beep BEEP BEEP BEEP.....[sound of aircraft impact] Dec 29, 1972
@maureen-paulbarnes-vonkulm480
@maureen-paulbarnes-vonkulm480 2 года назад
Actually car drivers on regular commutes face the same problem and get into accidents. You can drive much of a commute on autopilot so to speak.
@ScottDLR
@ScottDLR 2 года назад
Certainly the sterile cockpit was a huge factor here but modern planes would be calling out altitudes and the EGPWS would have alerted. Those are also huge contributors.
@koriko88
@koriko88 2 года назад
That conversation was so fascinating, they had it for the rest of their lives.
@symbolicsam
@symbolicsam 2 года назад
Did u use tape recorder to record ur video as the alierons were stuck with the artificial horizon.Anyways nice video.
@laurentiutrifan8173
@laurentiutrifan8173 2 года назад
I believe that the captain is the most responsible for this crash because 1) He has let the comand to the first officer 2) Allowed the casual conversation in the cockpit ... so, the first officer didn't concentrate properly ... to the crucial job he had to make: landing, safely, the plane.
@anthonycaroselli834
@anthonycaroselli834 5 месяцев назад
I've been watching these informative videos on plane disasters. There's a few of these where the pilots were talking about other stuff, also, they don't always communicate correct information. It leads me to believe that there's a problem even to this day about how to communicate the necessary information. The crash of Colgan Air Flight 3407 where the two pilots were distracted with casual conversation which was flying through bad weather and they crashed nose down because they reacted incorrectly, but the casual talk was a big factor. There's problems with casual talk, complacency due to repetitive nature of flying, there's pride sometimes by making "assumptions" everything is perfect as it should be when it's not. There's the failure to ask questions and to give correct answers rather than what you think you should be seeing. However, there's many truly good pilots who understand they are in charge of peoples' lives and do things correctly.
@JVIRMR
@JVIRMR 2 года назад
Hee, nice video. One small piece of feedback: I noticed that the two ailerons were in an opposite position, while the plane was flying straight. I know most people dont even notice, but it breaks the nice immersion you have in your videos for me. It's just a small thing, but I want to help you improve the videos. Keep it up! P.s. while watching, I also noticed the wheel chocks were also present on the front wheel while flying
@elishmuel1976
@elishmuel1976 2 года назад
noticed it too :)
@Cruminum
@Cruminum 2 года назад
I love these videos
@ConservativeBlack
@ConservativeBlack 2 года назад
I love watching these videos but every scenario I see plays in my head during my own flights.
@MinutesWithMerk
@MinutesWithMerk Год назад
Pilot error accounts for the vast majority of aviation mishaps. One pilot flies on instruments while the other looks outside for the runway. NOT BOTH. Also, audible warnings are there for a reason, but pilots at times ignore them for various reasons. Whether on a non-precision or precision approach, altitude discipline is a must, as is airspeed control, especially on final. All go-around criteria were met but ignored. New rules significantly reduce such mistakes. CRM (Crew/Cockpit Resource Management is critical) is life-saving.
@MichelleQuintiaVLOGS
@MichelleQuintiaVLOGS 2 года назад
New subscriber here! ❤️
@Chrisamos412
@Chrisamos412 2 года назад
If one works in a high stress and dangerous type of industry which relies on alarms, will likely have these “nuisance” alarms. Unfortunately they can cause an operator, tech, pilot, etc to become complacent or worse yet, they’re sometimes rigged to silence them.
@ouroboris
@ouroboris 2 года назад
Distraction can cause some serious consequences when trying to operate machines properly. They should have paid attention to what they were doing. That's advice that I should follow more often lol! Another excellent and well-presented video, and I thank you for it. Keep up the good work!
@rubybitesthedust
@rubybitesthedust Год назад
This is the second time I’m watching one of your videos and coincidentally a plane passes by my house, I keep pausing the video thinking that the sound was from the video lmao
@Unknown-bq9id
@Unknown-bq9id 2 года назад
This was the crash that killed current Late Night host Stephen Colbert's father and two of his older brothers (the Colberts lived in Charleston--the elder Colbert was the VP of academic affairs at the Medical University of South Carolina at Charleston); of course, Stephen doesn't SOUND like he's from that area...
@DarkDesperado25
@DarkDesperado25 2 года назад
"He just assumed" a common phrase when pilot error is a contributory factor
@jazz185
@jazz185 2 года назад
As the old office joke goes, assume make an ASS of U & ME..
@jazz185
@jazz185 2 года назад
Though a fatal ass here..
@TheHunPilot
@TheHunPilot 2 года назад
I had a fellow pilot who testified as to the conditions on the approach, only minutes before Eastern 212. Ironically, had the fog been worse, the pilots would have likely been more attentive to their actual altitude age, and their descent rate.
@Lastminuteone
@Lastminuteone 2 года назад
Great video as always. PSA 182 would be a good video to do.
@ericchapman8719
@ericchapman8719 2 года назад
I lived about 2 miles from the crash site. Heard the explosion and saw the smoke. Next door neighbor was a volunteer fireman that responded. I'll never forget the accident.
@simonbinder762
@simonbinder762 2 года назад
I sure do love that Eastern livery tho
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
haha it looks so dirty
@henrymanzano9168
@henrymanzano9168 2 года назад
@@MrTaxiRob Yeah, I was saying the same thing to myself while watching this video. Later on,they changed to a white livery which looked much cleaner
@melissajones1532
@melissajones1532 2 года назад
Absolutely it was their conversation that caused the crush and that's crazy you know that could have been prevented in lives could have been saved
@MrPeterKJ
@MrPeterKJ 2 года назад
11th September 1974 was only 3 days after Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon. That and the aftermath of the Watergate Scandals was probably pretty much on the news. Just in case you're wondering what the "political" heated discussions on the cockpit were likely all about.
@Milesco
@Milesco 2 года назад
The off-topic conversation didn't help, but the primary cause of the crash was the fact that those old-timey three-needle altimeters are easy to misread. Thankfully, modern aircraft don't use those anymore.
@03gregoryc
@03gregoryc 2 года назад
Among the fatalities was the vice president for academic affairs of the Medical University of South Carolina, James William Colbert Jr., and two of his sons; they were the father and brothers of future television personality Stephen Colbert.
@peoplesambassadordm8279
@peoplesambassadordm8279 2 года назад
How to send u crash info?
@amandam8609
@amandam8609 2 года назад
Thumbnail is hilarious!
@stevemason5173
@stevemason5173 2 года назад
Sure is crazy the mistakes that can cost so many people's lives in these crashes. I think I'll walk, hitch hike, or drive from now on...
@kellyhill430
@kellyhill430 2 года назад
I cant understand pilots that "lose sight" that they are loosing altitude. Or not notice or whatever you want to call it. I mean i understand they have a lot to do and the tasks can be overwhelming but they are in an airplane and their are a lot of things that can cause problems that can dome a flight. But the thing that ultimately kills everyone on the plane is contact with the ground so with that in mind you would think the instrument that is most important to keeping everyone alive is the altimete. So for thst reason its always surprising to me how so many of these crashes occur because not only the pilot but the co pilot also can not notice that the plane is loosing altitude. Ive seen so many of these videos where that has happened. So in the intervening years they have put an audible voice warning in planes and still this happens. So maybe instead of having a ground proximity warning...."terrain pull up" maybe they should have the altimeter be the largest instrument in the cockpit. Or an audible voice that says "8000" "7000" 6000 5000....and so on for every thousand feet in altitude. It just seems rediculous that a plane should come into contact with the ground because not only one trained person BUT TWO because they didnt pay attention to a very crucial part of flight.....the effing altitude.
@fabgeb667
@fabgeb667 2 года назад
probably drunk pilots
@MrTaxiRob
@MrTaxiRob 2 года назад
I agree, and I think these videos are great because they remind everyone that flying a plane isn't like driving a car. You can't just point where you want to go and manipulate a couple pedals to get there safely.
@chrisredfield6274
@chrisredfield6274 2 года назад
So they hit a bunch of trees going about 185 miles per hour. Imagine surviving that crash, how rough and horrifying the sudden explosion and G forces would be.
@Plydrms
@Plydrms 2 года назад
What simulator, and where did you get the plane?..thanks
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