The TECHNICAL FNAF Iceberg Explained (1/2) 

Yo, wassup! Recognize me, TheBones5?

Can You Make A Vid Of Fnaf 4 Without Audio, Or Fnaf 3 No Audio Lures

I was confused when you said that yeah That would mean animatronics almost never move LMAO

Markiplier also refuses to use cheese strats like cam 4b

Yes, every time he says the custom nights are easy he says something like "with this strategy you can win almost every time" but there was no strategy then, and any person now who try the game without any knowledge of those startegies will have a hard time beating them

Thats why he is known as the KING of FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDYS!!!!!

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@@kyzerbuhnzi6403 nah he just didn’t know about them they aren’t cheese strats they’re the game working as intended

on top of that a lot of mainstream fnaf youtubers also called it the hardest fnaf fan game, i heavily doubt chickenninja was that serious about his claim given how many fnaf fan games there are

Also a lot of the games he claimed that are "harder" than post shift two are unfair garbage that you could find in itch io

Also post shift 2 is flat hard to beat, a completely different sentence from "this is the hardest challenge mode". There are VERY different ways of measuring the difficulty of a game, and using just this ONE interpretation to laugh at it being considered the hardest is flat stupid and elitist. I don't really care about whether it is the hardest by any metric, I just hate how the list made is just flat wrong because it only cares about one single aspect to claim multiple games are harder therefore it can't be the hardest. I am sure you can pick any souls game in the soulsborne series and find a way it is the most difficult, because Dark Souls 2 is simultaneously one of the easiest to no-hit and beat outright, and the hardest to no hit if you beat ALL bosses.

@@lunaw2174 I thought so too. Post-Shift 2 has made every night a living hell with poor tutorials, leaving you sitting for hours or days on just one night before you even understand it. Most fangames on the list only have a single extra hard night that surpasses Post-Shift 2, but the main game can be beaten easily.

Yeah, but it is a legitimately difficult game. "Impossible" does not translate to "difficult," and the patched version of ps2 is fair to beat. Similar to how 50/20 mode is difficult, but it is beatable and pretty well-made.

The game wasn't designed for 10/20 mode. Scott didn't know if it was even possible to beat.

@@michawhite7613I’m pretty sure all the maxmodes were like that

10/20 is definitely the worst, I would classify the use of a timer as an exploit, due to none being given to you in game. Beating it legit w/o a timer is ridiculous.

@@plantrulz223 yeah, some maxmodes are so bad like that that the maxmodelist actually allows external timers like live split to be used for some games

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Not only that, it was the pre-patched version of Post-Shift 2, and other people swore above earth and back that it was the hardest game, this video didn't really state that it was version 1.0

plus, it being so hard was what he was *told,* other people told him it was the hardest fnaf fan game and so he said it was too. also, if you were to compare a single night in post-shift 2 to a single *normal* night in any random fnaf game, chances are post-shift is gonna be the more difficult one of the two, base game, both pre/post patch, post-shift 2 vs 'the hardest challenge modes' are an unfair comparison.

Yeah, and that game doesn’t have a custom night, just the base game is as hard as it is which makes it even more impressive that stage 05 half speed is above some actual max modes like insanity 6/15 or sister location 10/20

You can basically find that trivia plastered over every comment section if the content creator happens to not know of it. But yeah it'll be unknown to anybody that has only surface level knowledge of the game. Tons of people _to this day_ have no idea how Freddy works

@@namesmitt I already know this creator knows (it would be damn crazy if they didn’t know XD), I just mean that it should be on the iceberg. This trivia only became recently well known within very recent years, surprisingly enough, so TONS of fans still don’t know it.

​@namesmitt I feel like fnaf freddy, springtrap in fnaf 3, and fredbear in fnaf 4 are some of the most overly complicated ai for literally no reason. Like yeah once you understand how they work its not bad but for someone like me who doesn't know I just do what the tutorials online say to the best of my ability and hope it works.

There are a few that are still well known and harder, base FNAC 3 has final night all challenges, Five Night's At Chuck E Cheese rebooted has like 18 million different max modes, twisted 27 from animators hell, obiltus casa etc. i'd say are all pretty well known

@@TheBones5 Excluding mods, the hardest modes completed (including self imposed challenges) are True Nightmare All Challenges from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, 70/40 Mode from Ultimate Nintendo Night 2, GRADUATION DAY from Shifts at Big Q's, True Nightmare Aggressive Long Nights from Five Nights at Chuck E. Cheese's: Rebooted, and Final Night All Challenges No Stalling from Five Nights at Candy's 3 :p

​@@TheBones5 Quick question: is the post shift 2 on the list 1.0.0? Or is the one post patch that made the game easier?

@@emperorlewd Post-patch, we haven't placed pre-patch since it isn't that much harder than post-patch.

@@TheBones5 btw if i remember correctly chicken ninja himself even calls the game "what is commonly knows as the hardest fnaf fan game" which is kind of accurate since most of the fnaf community do think PS2 is the hardest fnaf fan game.

Yeah that’s what’s hard about it, you have to read a SHIT TON of stuff, but beyond that, the actually mechanical skill isn’t past top 80 ML

Yeah, the game does a terrible job explaining its mechanics that when you don’t have a guide or prior knowledge on it, the game can be extremely challenging to figure out- even to some more veteran players. That’s the biggest reason it’s hard and I’m sure that’s what CN meant.

​@@serixskylarkyeah, its a main theme of the video which he mentions alot, such as "and the tutorial isnt helpful one bit" for one of the nights. It still looks really hard by itself, but going into it with a big barrier, the internet being gone is so much harder. Like 50/20 felt impossible at the beginning, cause there WAS no guides or anything, it was still being searched.

@@corneredconnection I remember that fact because I watched the video when he dropped it and also found the tutorials to be incredibly confusing just watching someone try to figure it out 😭

@@serixskylark lol same. Watching it just gave me second hand anger for this man lol.

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yeah lol, king of fnaf is just a fun title everyone gives him

The mode placed is pre-patch. However, the mode is overrated & will likely be moved down.

Never seen someone be so humble about this, props bro

@@TheBones5 I have better things to worry about than being wrong about the spooky bear game.

Especially since most of the games that were listed to be harder are just "Better" or "Improved" versions of existing games that were designed give the player a headache with how much they would have to juggle mentally, along with getting screamed in their face every other minute or so.

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⁠@@Crazykiller_Wezoblitus casa:

@@abm2137 I said MOST, not all. Oblitus Casa is a damn good game though, from what I've seen. But take the entire clip for all it's worth, and you get multiple games that are made to be testicular cancer for the average fnaf fan. Yes, I know the Max Mode list is made for those who wish to contract such conditions, but most of them are under the hood reworks that only select few who actively look out for them would play.

@@TheBones5 The second half of the original comment sums up what I would have to say about this. That is to preference: "What the Hell is even that?!"

pretty sure he did it prepatch

Even then on pre-patch, it isn't much harder. The list does take pre-patches into account however Post-Shift 2's pre-patch isn't significant enough.

That made me laugh more than I want to admit 😂

Yep, what he is referring to is office stalling.

i've heard the UCN stuff called cam stalling before, that's what we decided on in the discord, sorry for the confusion

@@TheBones5 Fair, it's just not what I'm used to it being referred to as. These things are ultimately all colloquial, though, of course. Isn't exactly a manual or dictionary.

With the other ones I just know everything. I know way to much about so many series because I watch these videos

It actually isn't that RNG.

​@@sunkenxnbuuuut it is lol? mostly the night with the normal looking animatronics, if they attack at the same time you're boned

@@CartoDarko sure, there's rare cases in which you die but its mostly skill based it is quite literally just a case of the better you are the less rng it is

also i feel like i should mention that that is the only case in which you die from rng

@@sunkenxnthere are several scenarios in like every night pre-patch that can kill you purely based on rng

so sad 😢😢😢😢

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I agree, it really is sad how little he really considers this and is definitely throwing in as much about mark in there as he can for his own gain too, including eluding to him somehow faking his 10/20 completion. I'm noticing that Bones does definitely have the ego of someone who got into fnaf well after all these strats came out so now all he has to do is study the work that other people did for him, and that somehow makes him the best and all knowing or the one who decides what is and isn't impressive with total disregard for the differences in time periods. Him downplaying the whole Markiplier thing is like downplaying the moon landing as easy and not much of an accomplishment because now we have technology 100x more advanced than the computers they used to get there in the first place.

@@slavprinceuro Here's a document proving that Markiplier cheated his 10/20 completion: docs.google.com/document/d/1bcYibWNt8fSbRJyWF3bjqpWvZoQzKF_7-c4SQiXkb_I/edit?usp=sharing Here's a video of me completing 4/20 with his strategy in 20 minutes and 45 seconds: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mqIhygi1CNA.htmlsi=gIK0dga2FTdG2HSO

​@TheBones5 after reading the document and seeing markipleirs video I do unfortunately that the fnaf 2 allegation probably might be true, though all it really does is just make my day worse as I doubt this'll be a huge controversy. I still think that just because you beating the fnaf 1 20/20/20/20 with the old strategy changes anything. Sure it is an easy strategy but that doesn't discredit his achievement there, I know and agree that when comparing purely skill that markiplier isn't that good, but he still beat fnaf 1s max mode, and even with that strategy someone not as experienced as you would still probably find it challenging. I tried my best to make a fair argument and stuff, I do not mean any ill will as I do genuinely agree that his fnaf 2 max completion is iffy , when compared to when he beat fnaf 1, and that by skill he isn't the king of fnaf. But I disagree of discrediting his genuine accomplishment, even if it is easy today or as easy as it was back when fnaf 1 realeased, it is still a max mode completion.

@@smollmoth6376 no it's def impressive, ppl seemed to be discrediting me for using modern strats, that's why I included that

​@@TheBones5 Your evidence is literally just 'he used a crossfade lol' and a load of numbers. It doesn't prove a thing except for the fact he was really lucky.

so real

LET HIM COOK!

He always was

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The Dining Area to West Hall wasn’t a good example. Movements that people have actually considered “teleporting” was Backstage -> West Hall, Closet -> Left Door, or Left Door -> Dining Area

No, not really.

​@@sunkenxn you guys are mad annoying

@@deathlesswitch9063 what i even do

> accused of being cold and unwelcoming > answers with dickish response

​@@FishwicksREAL I said "No, not really" since for most part, it isn't toxic or elitist. Obviously, in a community based on figuring out the smallest details to optimize things as much as possible there are going to be elitist people. I fail to see your point of my original message being dickish since it is literally just the equivalent of "No, most people aren't"

Or just have basic knowledge on the most popular FNAF fan games. FNAC 3, FNACECR, Oblitus Casa, Animator's Hell for example, are all more well known than Post-Shift 2.

@@sunkenxnI’ve been in this community since the first game came out and the only one of those you listed that I knew of was fnac 3. It’s not as common as you think.

@@serixskylark That doesn't mean that they're not more well known than Post-Shift 2 bruh, YOU just haven't heard of them lol

@@sunkenxn no, just that it’s possible to not have heard of it which could be the case for a lot of people. Catch my drift?

​@@sunkenxnwtf are those

I'm praying for a five nights at fuck boys nuzlock🙏🏾😭

It really isn't, the point of CN saying PS2 is the hardest isn't a jab at CN specifically it's more so to prove the point of PS2 NOT being the hardest FNaF game since due to CN saying that, a lot of people think it is.

​@@sunkenxn It wasn't Chickenninja who first said that. When the fangame first came out, uhyeah called it the 'hardest game yet' on Twitter, and then other people started calling the game the hardest

@@yutavergil Oh I know but CN had more of an effect on it than uhyeah did

I'm not saying CN is in the wrong here by the way, he got told by people that it was the real hardest game when he called Mechanism hard.

I mean its quite a useful resource to have the ranking of all the hardest stuff. Like the demonlist

Why Hate the King?!!!

yeah right? bit weird.

The weirdest part is it's supposed to be about technical knowledge but just throws shade at mark randomly and it's gotta be jealously max mode people feel towards his total control of the fnaf scene lmao

@@Tbot_2yall are taking this way worse than markiplier would bro😂 I think it was an interesting little topic to point out, he faked it and I found an interesting video explaining why. I do find it funny how some people are acting like mark got caught committing some major crime.

@@stwish3910 no one said he committed a major crime, also people critiquing his presentation of the topic don't care how mark would take it, this is about the bones presentation of the information, not marks hypothetical reaction. The rest of your message is just dribble that means nothing so, good for you that you enjoyed the video I guess?

Well he said ALMOST every fnaf and fnaf fan game is done in clickteam

Of ALL the fangames he could've shown there, it had to be ONaF

for real, caught me so off guard haha

I don't believe the claim for a second, myself. Night 6 alone is ridiculously hard and BS (furthest I've ever got is 3 AM), 10/20 just can't be the easiest max mode. 4/20 is. Night 6 literally made me hate FNAF 2 with a burning passion. Night 4 was bad enough, but I literally spent like 3 whole videos trying to beat Night 6, and I don't edit. I got so mad I basically rage quit. Haven't touched the game since, and this was well over a year ago IIRC. Sorry that this turned into a rant. Once I get going, I find it hard to stop.

Damn I didn’t know that, I’ll put it in the pinned comment

It’s the only “max mode” competition where the run is spliced, doesn’t have any Toy Animatronics at the later end of the night, and he celebrates about getting the 3rd star when that’s the reward for 4/20.

@@namesmitt the first part is fair but the other two parts i really don't think are that good of evidence specifically the third star thing.

@@Andycandyman24 After the last jumpcut at 5am, there’s no Toy animatronics for the final 18 seconds until 6am. That could be coincidental, sure, but that’s 5 robots unaccounted for, and you don’t hear Mangle or BB moving either. The 3rd star is definitely the weakest point, as he could have just done 4/20 as a warmup or whatever. We don’t know. But it lines up with the theory that his night win was actually 4/20, and there is another jumpcut between the main menu, and mark showing his stars on the custom night screen, leaving room for potential editing to occur. Also just an FYI that I’m not rooting against Mark here; I do want to believe he did it legit, as with literally anybody else, but there is reasonable suspicion to be had here.

@@namesmitt i decide to watch the video again and what you said about toys is true unless Toy Bonnie was the one who attacked him when fading in to the clip but i can't tell for sure. For the third star thing i swear you got it by beating 10/20 but i could be wrong but the thing i think is more inportant is after he beats 10/20 he does show Golden Freddy mode after beating it with the stars next to it and while there is a cut the only way he could have the stars and still be cheating would be to use the CD+ trick or to edit the game files.

Actually i watch it again and he says nothing about three stars.

That’s not even touching on the fact that everyone’s movement intervals are TIMERS and NOT frame-based. He flopped so hard on that section I’m actually baffled

wait really? I thought on fnaf 1 it was frame based and for all the other games it was timer based?