The Theory of Editing

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» 0:00 - Intro
» 0:52 - Editing challenge
» 2:13 - Thelma Schoonmaker on Goodfellas
» 3:15 - Kuleshov effect
» 5:27 - Hitchcock on tension
» 7:13 - Walter Murch Rule of 6
» 9:51 - My mistake
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@ryanworkman3032 2 года назад

one of My favorite idioms: "you make a movie three times...the one you write, the one you shoot, and the one you edit."

@DigitalGus75 2 года назад

I like that!

@MarkaveliRises 4 месяца назад

So real💯

@FarhanKamdar 2 года назад

I forgot who I heard say this but it goes: “Production is the price you pay to get to the editing room”

@pilkfilms 2 года назад

NEVER EDIT WHEN: •Tired •Frustrated •Sick •At war with a headache •Drunk •On a date •When a film riot episode drops (simply pause and watch the video, then continue) Did I miss any?

@NLENinjaEffects 2 года назад

Well then…when do I edit lol?

@MikeeHollMartz 2 года назад

You’re gonna get me fired with those suggestions. 😆

@pilkfilms 2 года назад

@@NLENinjaEffects there’s actually quite the amount missing from this list, it can’t be that tight of a squeeze.

@pavelstolypin 2 года назад

you can break all rules except last one ;)

@pilkfilms 2 года назад

@@pavelstolypin honestly why have rules if they’d never be broken anyways 🤷‍♂️

@matiashamalainen 2 года назад

Your videos teach a whole generation of filmmakers who don’t necessarily have the possibility to go to a filmschool but still want to make videos. The world already has so much more better movies, thanks to you! :D Keep it up.

@filmriot 2 года назад

This comment means a lot to us. Thank you so much!

@totallybored5526 2 года назад

There hasn’t been a good film in a couple of decades

@amirhaveryt 2 года назад

@@totallybored5526 I don't necessarily agree in the sense that there hasn't been a good film in the past couple of decades. There have been good films, but non of them really made me go "wow".

@gravemarker 2 года назад

You cannot break the rules in a meaningful, artistic way until you know the rules.

@corpsefoot758 2 года назад

Amen. If you do it on accident, then it’s just an … accident lol

@dyfx9788 2 года назад

Thats what i am trying ti tell my anime weeb friend. She goes straight for anime characters and it looks so wack. The chins is too high the neck is too long the head is tio small the shading is bad the stylization looks off the eyes are too big the head orientation looks like he got kicked by a cat and fell into a river and a boat ran over the neck and it just looks, b a d

@robynwilson9227 2 года назад

@@dyfx9788 leave her be, let her hone her own skills. We all have to start somewhere. When i was starting out for years i was drawing horrendously bad anime and powerpuff girls. But now i can draw pretty damn well, different styles different characters all of it. Let her develop her skills in her own time in her own way without judgement (or going on the internet to diss her art and call her a weeb). I had friends like you back then, im not in contact with them anymore. Exactly for the reason that they were always pushing me or judging me, silently or verbally. And it didnt help me get better, it just hurt my feelings. Their job was to be my friend, not my art teacher. She may not even be drawing to imrpove her skills, you dont have to be good at something to enjoy doing it. Focus on being kind to her, not trying to guide her skills 💕

@dyfx9788 2 года назад

@@robynwilson9227 well i would agree but the problen is she always seeks advice and feedback. And wheb she does we all give feedback but she gets offended when we give feedback. So we have just resorted to saying "thats great" and by we i mean the entire class

@dyfx9788 2 года назад

Whats the point of seeking advice when at the end you are jist going to ignore it Also ps She also calls herself a weeb so its no biggie

@CinecomCrew 2 года назад

Great video guys ! Editing is so crazy important, I love knowing how I’ll be editing the shot while I’m shooting the shot.

@kgtothea 2 года назад

Boss, your videos too are dope Love you guys.

@norehearsalsproductions 2 года назад

This is Sidney, I love shooting the shot as I'm thinking of the editing style 😂

@zanelechonco71 2 года назад

Yaaayyy cinecom!!!

@ItsBourbonNight 2 года назад

Love how you put it all out there and aren't afraid to point out when you missed the mark in one of your short films. It's very impactful for those watching and super helpful. Bravo!

@mtskogs 2 года назад

Agreed! Love the transparency and willingness of Ryan to critique his own work and share the lessons he's learned throughout his journey.

@FarhanKamdar 2 года назад

A great example of using the kuleshov effect against the audience for tension is in silence of the lambs when cutting between the officers outside a house and cutting to inside of Buffalo bills house. The reveal that it’s clarice is something I wish I could see for the first time again. So good.

@filmriot 2 года назад

That's a great one.

@kthx1138 7 месяцев назад

I like Hitchcock's story of the bomb under the table. By showing the bomb, any shock when the bomb goes off is gone, but there's a hell of a lot of suspense leading up to the bomb going off.

@cttp 2 года назад

Always happy to see conversations around the editing artform. Cheers, Ryan!

@MoviesRemastered 2 года назад

Fantastic video! I honestly can't get enough of different editing perspectives like this. Great content.

@BayouJosh 2 года назад

I am binge watching your channel right now. this is undoubtable the best source on RU-vid right now. Magnificent.

@alexusyoung629 Год назад

Excellent video as it puts it into perspective and lining up all the pieces of the film into superb compositions and dynamics that make it your own.

@jacksuttonfilms 2 года назад

Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking about your mistakes when on your own filmmaking journey. I love your honesty and authenticity, cheers!

@matthewk8279 2 года назад

So excited for this!! Love your videos :)

@MUSAVISUALMEDIA 2 года назад

THANK YOU for putting this video together. Clear, concise, informative, great context too. Instant follow!

@not.edited6342 2 года назад

Thankyou this video was really great, loved to see examples alongside your explanations

@ginotarabotto 2 года назад

Amazing video! Thank you for putting together. Learned a lot.

@DehinorVargas 2 года назад

I just imagined what a meeting with Alfred Hitchcock could feel like, he could teach you in a entire day more about movies than in your entire career!!

@WHITEPERSUAS1ON 2 года назад

Using that example of where your eyes are and your short film was really good.

@wagnerteixeiradeaguiar 2 года назад

Oh man, that's pure gold... Thanks Ryan!

@scartinmorsese7723 2 года назад

I actually like the cut you used for There Comes a Knocking. My eye traces to the other side of the screen for a tiny moment of realization. It makes the moment feel like I found the visual info in contrast to having it handed to me.

@DemasiadamenteStudios 2 года назад

Another great video. I've learned a lot from you, Ryan. Thanks a lot man.

@ronin7entertainment884 2 года назад

Always premium content from your crew. Greatly appreciate all of the hard work. Salud.

@olukz2529 2 года назад

awesome content. these editing tips are gold

@artuncansinors7358 2 года назад

Great job, super clean and direct information.

@naeemulhoque1777 2 года назад

Thank You Ryan, this was some really useful tips within a 10 minutes video ❤

@kairukukirin 2 года назад

Thank you! It's nice to put terms to the things I'm learning.

@MichaelSeneschal 2 года назад

Amazing that this content is free. Fantastic. Been a fan since Rev3. 👍

@julian_heuschneider 2 года назад

Thank you so much for the awesome content!

@Keith300D 2 года назад

MY goodness. This is GOLD! TY!!

@cineblazer 2 года назад

This was a great video! Thanks for democratizing filmmaking education -- I don't know if I'd be a filmmaker today if I hadn't grown up watching your videos Ryan. To you, Josh, Emily -- the whole gang -- thank you!

@moewe040 2 года назад

There is a great episode from "Every Frame A Painting" (sadly their channel is discontinued) but the episode "How does an editor feel" is so good. Sometimes not making a cut is a good thing. Loved this Riot episode!

@rijin9460 2 года назад

Thank you so much man for recommending that channel

@The_Idea_of_Dream_Vision 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3Q3eITC01Fg.html looks interesting

@Mon_FX 2 года назад

Most important advice really is " Write. Shoot. Edit. Repeat. ", because at some point all those tips and theories become second nature to you and you don't think of them. But when reviewing your work, you notice you're including them or at least thinking about them in some way. You don't think " I'll do the 180 rule here becase this and that ", you think " I'll put the camera here because that's where it should go. That's where it feels like it should be. "

@grandlangue 2 года назад

Excellent resource. Just keep getting better and better 😜

@ayeeeck4512 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this video😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️

@artlist_io 2 года назад

Editing is truly an art form. Really great video, with some super important tips for anyone who joins the #AGeditchallenge 💛

@darwindepena4903 2 года назад

I always learn everything from you sir ryan. From the philippines, its so useful as a filmmaker student❤️

@yuliasprenger9380 2 года назад

Great video, thank you !!!

@DethronerX 2 года назад

Very important stuff here. Thank you!

@PrimalEdge 2 года назад

I fucking love the videos you guys produce. I always learn so much!

@filmriot 2 года назад

Thanks man!

@brandonjacksoon 2 года назад

Thank you dude!

@JaspreetSinghArtist 2 года назад

great content as always.

@armando.visuals 2 года назад

This contest is exciting!

@ArizonaGhostriders 2 года назад

Great to see Hitchcok and the theories of other editors.

@UsamaMahmoudSultan 2 года назад

Wow ... so much information this is gold

@daniel_wilkinson 2 года назад

I got the email for the contest yesterday. I expect to not win but I'm definitely going to enter for the experience and I have an idea in marinating. I am really addicted to the feeling when the edit just... works.

@PrimedProductions 2 года назад

Great video, thanks!

@OtisBlanch 11 месяцев назад

this was so gooood!

@alphadarling 2 года назад

Thank you much learned from this video. Learned one of my cuts in a project is breaking the 180 rule. Thank you 😌

@reecesmith567 2 года назад

Wow, what a video! Amazing! :)

@jamesandjye 2 года назад

Great video mate, learnt a tonne 👊

@willcutu 2 года назад

This was very helpful. Thanks.

@HariBrosPictures 2 года назад

Thanks for describing the contest

@wallywah222 2 года назад

I love you Ryan, I literally make a living because of you!

@guymanperson1 2 года назад

Amazing, I’ve never thought about anything like this. I’m new to it. Now I’m gonna go watch a history of violence again and pay attention to the cuts.

@songwriterxandtheskeletonband 2 года назад

love it!

@topicruben 2 года назад

I feel anger cause the video finished! Thank you so much, man. You’re a school, a good one! Currently preparing to shoot a short film, so this comes from heaven! 🙏

@jgvbadv 2 года назад

I LOVE this! I have video editing job interview in few days, this should help me :)

@MikeeHollMartz 2 года назад

I love your t-shirt as much as I love that movie! 🙌🏻

@Thomas_of_the_forest 2 года назад

Ooh sweet, I might give that competition a go :)

@DanielTuriman 2 года назад

thanks, hope we will try it.

@venox314 2 года назад

Greatly said!

@smartsmith325 2 года назад

It's more like living your life easier than digging the ground looking for gold and silver . I love editing guys and shout out to Rayn and everyone out there.

@SammyBFilms 2 года назад

I like what you did with the title. ;-)

@SpookyCreepyJay 2 года назад

Love this

@ChristopherCopeland 2 года назад

I've never been so aware of each syllable in the word "Editing" before.

@strawcurry92 2 года назад

I appreciate it that you use your own short film as an example to show the mistake that youve done

@gregjones7196 2 года назад

This is where the film is really made! Often, what comes out of the editing room can be different than what what was first envisioned. In editing, you get to see what really does and does not work.

@JayneNicoletti 2 года назад

Yes. As an actor I never took it to heart if a scene got cut. It may not have been the performance at all.

@baptistoriginals 2 года назад

Don't know how i missed this one but great video! I live in the DFW area, if ya'll ever need PAs please lemme know!

@tharindafilms5528 2 года назад

Thank youu very much....

@tommymarshall6893 2 года назад

I really love film riot but one thing I would really love to hear about that many people don’t teach is how to actually find financing for a film. It is such a private topic that I wish would be explored, especially by the lovely film riot!

@nightmarefilmcrew 2 года назад

They dive into this quite a bit with a few different people. Check out the podcast and you’ll find some really helpful information about getting films off the ground. There’s always a different pathway and there’s for sure not one specific way to get your movie financed, but they’ve had plenty of new directors talking about how they got their films made.

@tommymarshall6893 2 года назад

@@nightmarefilmcrew well I completely understand but I would like a deep dive into it. Like going through a screenplay and figuring out numbers to even make a budget. Then how do you present that to a potential investor. What resources are out there to assist in this? I understand that it is not a one way thing but I know very little in this very important topic

@nybcp 2 года назад

Just: YES!

@Pietras_ky 2 года назад

regarding your "mistake" - I would argue that it's beneficial in a way. In my opinion, its scarier to first see something in the corner of your eye rather than have it pop in front of you.

@manart6506 2 года назад

Yeah I agree to this. I guess it just comes to preference of what was the intention. I do believe that in horror watching the scary thing in the corner of the view of attention works often. Though of course sometimes confronting suddenly an unexpected image can be scary even if it isn’t (we all have been had that kind of scare by someone walking in front of us all of the sudden).

@melissasalasblair5273 11 месяцев назад

Thanks so much 🎩👒🎞️

@bauerfilms4832 2 года назад

I'd love to see you guys do a bit on 1980's slasher style practical gore fx

@carljoseph507 2 года назад

It's been a while!

@crystigriffon 8 месяцев назад

One of my favorites channel can give easier informations that you might take years to learn it ❤

@VishwaJay 2 года назад

So very glad for the Hawking reference. And... wow, I so need to grab editing software, lol.

@aravinda432 Год назад

understood the editing today

@SwardPlay 2 года назад

You guys should try doing a short film with "Corridor Digital" would be cool to see a collab.

@musicwe4143 2 года назад

About the contest, it just hit my mind that artgrid and artlist is maybe holding the contest to get a look at workflow breakdowns and editing outputs of different editors because maybe they are working on an artificial intelligence and they need data input variance to feed this new beast

@genevievedisemelo5584 8 месяцев назад

this is becoming so real rn

@dannyganelin9777 2 года назад

Watching this video on September 22nd is a massive bummer lol.

@RACineFilmagensFotos 2 года назад

Mto bom!

@abdulelahhzazzi3883 2 года назад

thank you

@robertper4102 Год назад

The job of a film director is to tell the story through the juxtaposition of uninflected images. -David Mamet

@manart6506 2 года назад

10:00 I’m not sure about what it is better. I think some times you want the audience searching for the next focus point, so they are part of the action instead of “lazy viewers”. In horror you sometimes want for sure the audience to watch something but maybe you want that they “almost miss it”/“what was that”/“wait, there is something in the other side of the screen”.

@filmriot 2 года назад

If the intent is to have your audience search the screen, then yes. But that's the idea behind it all, doing these things (or not) for purposeful, instead of accidental, end results. With Fury Road, it's not a lazy viewer thing, I don't think it ever is... But in that case specifically - the rate at which he wanted to cut required facilitating the audience to absorb information quickly. It's just a matter of understanding how the brain works and utilizing that to tell your story. The goal is to use craft to tell your story with intention.

@manart6506 2 года назад

@@filmriot yeah I think it makes sense in Fury road but I think breaking a rule of keeping the focus in one place pays off, though it has be done carefully. It’s a good scene but in other action sequences you can make travel where the focus point is, it is just has to be done within the shot and keep it during the cut, no jumps between cuts so people can follow focus even it if it moves from one place in the screen to the other… I feel that way can make the audience feel part of the action while not losing their view. I’m pro it being a little less passive.

@manart6506 2 года назад

@@filmriot a very interesting IMO use for keeping the focus in one spot during one sequence I imagine is to hide something else happenings that will be revealed later but we want to give audience a chance to maybe figure it out sooner.

@acdi33 2 года назад

Betcha Walter Murch's Rule of 6 is on this.

@wilwilson8146 2 года назад

The best editor ever is that lady from "Hail, Caesar"

@armando.visuals 2 года назад

Those film burns you use for transitions. Are they in Artgrid?.

@aravinda432 Год назад

love u

@MiDaY_i 2 года назад

Couldn't be a coincidence that i was skimming thru their sites for hours looking for a concept and got a terrible headachce because i was at war of what should take the lead...Good music then ideas after or initial ideas and looking for the music to match....Currently trying to finish a job, try out for a sidemen editing contest to seeif i can win twice in a row and also attempt this artgridXartlist one and its driving me crazy😭😂

@leonardorafaelvideos8020 2 года назад

I haven't seen your short yet, so there's no context in terms of story, rythm or sound when you showed that last shot of the ghost. But from what I saw, I think it's actually scarier if the audience doesn't immediately see the ghost. I think it's creepier if you get that half a second of "Oh shit, I didn't see that!", so I like the way you shot and edited that scare. That being said, I haven't seen the movie so the only context I have is the clip you showed here.

@S9universe 2 года назад

niceeeee

@jeffr7752 2 года назад

What movie is the clip from that's shown at 7:19?

@Florijan2 6 месяцев назад

Music name in the begining of the and at 2:12? Please

@Dancing_Alone_wRentals 2 года назад

That was great fun! tHanks. I accidentally made a great Eye Trace in a video I posted. I loved it...the subject became the transition and not some fancy page turn or blur. It was dumb luck but after you shared your tips with this video I can include ideas in future videos. ( PS My videos barely scratch their way off the "boring meter", Don't waste your YouTubing on my channel).

@bzakie2 3 месяца назад

Yes but David Lean said that if you want to shock an audience, get them almost to the point of boredom before you do. Hence Omar Sharif’s arrival at the well.