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The Time a Christian Visited a Mormon Church. 

Melissa Dougherty
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In my early days of ministry, waaaaay before the Tubes of You, I used to frequent many events that surrounded the Mormon religion. Visiting the Mormon church (ward) is one of them. I visit places like this often for research, to avoid echo chambers, and to learn more about the religion. This is my third visit, and it was different than the other times. It was.... interesting.
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@MelissaDougherty
@MelissaDougherty Год назад
Hey guys! In case it wasn't clear in the video: I love Mormons. I have made numerous videos about the LDS faith, and I am very clear about my fondness for them, even though I have sharp theological disagreements with them. The missionaries and I left on very friendly terms. I think some people think I should have just sat and listened to their perspective without challenging them, but that's why I went: to challenge them with the Biblical Gospel and ask thought provoking questions because of these differences. I find I always get very mixed responses on these types of videos, no matter how I approach it. That's okay. Not everyone has to agree. 🙂 However, though I don't regret being straightforward in this video, I do think there's a learning opportunity on my part to convey these experiences more effectively with my tone and demeanor. Here's quick access to some of the resources I mentioned in the video: Evidence Ministries: www.youtube.com/@EvidenceMinistries/videos Interview with Micah Wilder, former LDS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a686EkPTP6M.html Aaron Shafovaloff: www.youtube.com/@AaronShafovaloff1
@purgatorean
@purgatorean Год назад
Gosh I really love to listen to Melissa Dougherty speak. You are so skilled at speaking and you always seem to know the subject material fairly well. Many of us Catholics are waiting for you to do a presentation on our Most Holy Catholic Faith. I get the drift from many of the Catholics that make comments on your videos that we all feel that you are a person of integrity and that you have a great desire for getting at the Truth. There are many videos made of Catholicism from people that are outside of the Church and they are very careless in their approach to making Catholicism understood. To be honest, I have not seen one single presentation made by a non-Catholic that was not full of errors. We pray that you don't let us down. With that being said, you correctly state that the Mormons practice a "fake communion" because they use regular bread and water in their communion service. This seems to indicate to me that you believe that most other mainline denominations have legitimate communion services. Well NEWSFLASH MD...........all communion services done outside of the Catholic Church are "fake communions". Holy Communion is the sole purpose for the Incarnation of God, and for His Passion, Death and Resurrection. I hope that you, Melissa Dougherty, will conduct a sincere study on Holy Communion before you present your video to us. Only God can build His One Church, and in that One Church you will encounter Christ in the Supper of the Lamb, where the Bridegroom becomes One Flesh with His Bride. That is what unites us, just as you are united to your own parents by flesh and blood, so too in Holy Communion we enter into union with Christ - Flesh to flesh. That is authentic Communion, and can never be duplicated outside of the Catholic Church. Counterfeit communions are not life giving, therefore, Heaven will not be the destination for anyone that partakes of a fake communion. Jesus emphatically taught that we must eat His Flesh to receive eternal life, for He is the Bread that came down from Heaven. For He is the Lamb of God, sacrificed upon the Altar of the Cross, and made Present at each and every Mass so that we can know Him intimately, as a Bridegroom comes to know His Bride, uniting Flesh to flesh. I highly recommend that you study Brandt Pitre's book, "Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper" if you want to get this right. May God Bless you immensely as you journey along your own Road to Emmaus.
@anthonyvulgamore8843
@anthonyvulgamore8843 Год назад
Try going to a orthodox church you'll love it
@lebronthegoat24
@lebronthegoat24 5 месяцев назад
Great explanation of Mormonism
@WDWJP30
@WDWJP30 Год назад
I'm ex-mormon, born and raised. Left in my early 30's, 12 years ago. It took me a LONG time to understand the true gospel and what true Christianity is and undo all the incorrect teachings I had all my life. However, I am so VERY grateful for youtube channels like yours, Melissa, and others (Mike Winger, Apologia, Alisa Childers, etc.) that were so helpful in teaching me the correct gospel and help me along my path. If you ever want to talk about the church and more of their incorrect doctrines, I would love to chat with you.
@jordanpease3329
@jordanpease3329 Год назад
Also an ex-Mormon who found Jesus in my 20s. It's always nice to meet a fellow brother/sister who found the way. :-)
@bigirishlady
@bigirishlady Год назад
Joseph Smith was a 32nd degree Mason. When I went through the temple and saw all the Masonic symbols on my new underwear, on the priests’ aprons, and all over the Salt Lake temple, I was mortified. There is so much Masonry in Mormonism. Very dark.
@paulthompson9668
@paulthompson9668 Год назад
*undo
@KM-zn3lx
@KM-zn3lx Год назад
I know somewhat how you feel how hard it can be leaving a church as I did the Roman Catholic church 3 years ago. I'm 60 and sometimes it's still hard. It's even harder because there are so many protestant churches! I try to avoid churches with women pastors, LGBTQ flags, or CRT or social Justice teachings.
@longnamenocansayy
@longnamenocansayy Год назад
@@KM-zn3lx the prosperity message is very offensive to me. name it and claim it in the name of jesus. i personally like my catholic friends. i wanted to be an outreach to them and i prayed to god about it. god told me i could meet with them if i showed proper respect. i don't expect an ex-catholic to agree with me and i don't expect most protestant churches to agree with me. but i feel that i or anyone can be an ambassador for jesus to catholics by his actions. in the case of catholics that i know this is a very hard thing to expect, because most of them are very good people.
@The9Pauls
@The9Pauls Год назад
Joseph Smith didn't restore anything. He just made his own version of Christianity and created another gospel and a different Jesus that leaves people empty and in bondage to a man made religion. - nailed it
@dottielove100
@dottielove100 Год назад
The fact that you asked questions about their own religion that they themselves couldn’t answer, tells me that there was a seed planted. I love your boldness and thank you for allowing the Holy Spirit to use you.
@BrendonKing
@BrendonKing Год назад
Anytime you get a Mormon missionary to start wildly bearing their testimony without reason, you've chiseled through that heart of stone a little deeper.
@beeapprentice2725
@beeapprentice2725 Год назад
I can ask anybody in the world questions about their religion that they don't know the answers to.
@BrendonKing
@BrendonKing Год назад
@@beeapprentice2725 “how many gods” should be a pretty softball question. If you can’t answer that, maybe you shouldn’t be a missionary for your faith
@Andromedon777
@Andromedon777 Год назад
Legit I asked my Mormon uncle and he refused to answer
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@Andromedon777 Ask him what?
@teresakronvall7030
@teresakronvall7030 Год назад
God directs our path for sure. My son was raised in the Southern Baptist Church. About 11 yrs ago, he converted to LDS. He is now married & sealed, and has 2 children. I pray everyday that he will return to the faith of his childhood and for the salvation of his wife and my 2 grand babies.
@kellysong2256
@kellysong2256 Год назад
Don't worry! Your child is being held in God's hands and he and his family will receive salvation. You have been misinformed if you think the L.D.S. church will harm he and his family in some way. I'm willing to bet that your son and his family are loving and happy
@lorianthony4749
@lorianthony4749 Год назад
"When your authority is your heart, you will change reality and the Bible to agree with your heart." Such a powerful truth. And sadly, it applies not only to Mormons but to many others who interpret Scripture according to their feelings and pursue spiritual/emotional experiences in order to "feel God's presence". 💔 😢🙏
@criticaloptimist7961
@criticaloptimist7961 Год назад
Scripture doesn't have an authority beyond your private interpretation. It will always be mediated by your private interpretation which is always subject to being flawed.
@rickdavis2235
@rickdavis2235 Год назад
@@criticaloptimist7961 " Scripture doesn't have an authority beyond your private interpretation. " Incorrect. There is only one truth. 2 Peter 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture becomes a matter of someone’s own interpretation,
@criticaloptimist7961
@criticaloptimist7961 Год назад
@@rickdavis2235 my point is that whatever authority the scripture has, it is still mediated by an interpretation that is subject to err, which point is underscored by the passage you cited. So when anyone appeals to scripture to support their thesis they are merely appealing to their own interpretation and understanding that may or may not match the "Truth". So appealing to scripture is always as through a veil. Also, 2 Peter is a forged letter, so at the end of the day does this passage really help us get to the Truth? For that matter, how do we know the Bible is the inspired word of God in all it's parts, or even at all to begin with? Because unless we can be sure of that first, it is pointless to speak of it as an authority.
@BrendonKing
@BrendonKing Год назад
@@criticaloptimist7961 scripture interprets scripture. If you're believing something that doesn't reconcile with scripture, then it's not the book that's wrong, it's your interpretation. Scripture are the bumpers on the sides of the bowling alley that keep you from going into the gutter. There's a little room between the bumpers that you can move freely on, but you can't go into the gutter. The better we understand scripture, the tighter together those bumpers become and the more straight we walk along the path.
@criticaloptimist7961
@criticaloptimist7961 Год назад
@@BrendonKing No, you interpret scripture. I agree in principle the better you understand something the easier it is to navigate confusion. But how do you know the Bible interprets itself? How do you know it doesnt just loosely fit together? If you follow that hermeneutical paradigm, how would you ever discern whether something in it isn't right? You a priori determined the Bible is inerrant, so no matter what you read you will make it fit, no matter what kind of mental gymnastics that requires. Again, how do you know the Bible is inerrant?
@johnmontoya2479
@johnmontoya2479 Год назад
Thank you for this video, sis. I was raised JW. Never knew much about the Mormons. I am surprised to hear how many similarities in certain terms and beliefs. Now born again and saved by grace through thru faith in my Lord Jesus. Amazing how much more I have learned in the Bible alone, than the countless magazines and brochures which mis quote and take out of context. As the word says, God is not the author of confusion. Hallelujah!
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
We are nothing like the JW's and don't have many similar beliefs. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@johnmontoya2479
@johnmontoya2479 Год назад
@Dylan Williams That's exactly what the Jehovah's witness say! Except they don't call theirselves a church.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@johnmontoya2479 Sure, except we didn't change or make a new Bible to fix our beliefs. Most of our beliefs can be supported or is hinted at in the Bible. The Book of Mormon add some additional knowledge that isn't in the Bible but is the word of God. Same thing with the Doctrine and Covenants.
@johnmontoya2479
@johnmontoya2479 Год назад
@Dylan Williams 2 Timothy 3:14-17 [14]But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [15]and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16]All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [17]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@johnmontoya2479 Lol Why did you quote that to me?
@freebordor
@freebordor Год назад
I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I still am. Regardless of the top comments, we don’t all leave. I’ll seek to follow Christ wherever that takes me. Christ was likewise ostracized by those who purported to be of his own faith. We need to be careful we aren’t the Pharisees and Sadducees of our day. Follow the Spirit as best we can!
@KayChardonnay380
@KayChardonnay380 Год назад
Don’t forget to test the spirits. The only way to do that though is to store up scripture on your heart, and know when you are being deceived.
@MrBillmechanic
@MrBillmechanic Год назад
the mormon church!
@freebordor
@freebordor Год назад
@@KayChardonnay380 I try to follow Christ and love my neighbor, serve them, turn the other cheek, and be a great husband and father. I feel as though the Spirit has confirmed those are good things.
@freebordor
@freebordor Год назад
@@MrBillmechanic Kind of an odd comment.
@DrDoerk
@DrDoerk Год назад
Which Christ though? The one of the Bible who is the Eternal God, or the one of joe smith who is the devils brother? Trust the Bible, not Joe smith
@kaitlynrosas4250
@kaitlynrosas4250 Год назад
As a former Mormon and born-again Christian, you got everything right. 💯 keep up the good work! God bless! ❤🙏😊
@HeckOffCommie
@HeckOffCommie Год назад
Former definitely sounds better. That 💯 thing though is disingenuous. She's not perfect and she's definitely not perfectly right about anything, I don't care what is. No one should ever trust or affirm someone especially by saying they're 💯% right on anything. That's not a disciples meek view that's more a cultic mentality. Joining one church and than leaving it now might make a little more sense. Just perspective.
@joem13yearsago73
@joem13yearsago73 Год назад
Praise Yeshua
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@HeckOffCommie
@HeckOffCommie Год назад
@@dylanwilliams2202 I really can't agree that the church teaches the Bible better than any denomination. There's many Christian churches that got that locked down. The church at its best though is great at converting and committing people to Christ. It has flaws as do other churches.
@TheBiggieCam
@TheBiggieCam Год назад
‘Don’t bejewel the gospel’
@backyardwanderer16
@backyardwanderer16 Год назад
I love this! I have been meeting with some mormon missionaries, and I have such a heart for them. I also have learned that it is my job to plant seeds, not necessarily to stay with them to the harvest. I've also learned to drench them in prayer. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, only by the movement of the Spirit will their hearts be opened and the eternity placed there be open for the truth their spirits' crave.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@BodhiBlue
@BodhiBlue Год назад
@@dylanwilliams2202 Mormons/LDS do not teach the Gospel, Islam has more in common with Christianity than Mormonism
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@dylanwilliams2202 Maybe you are AI?
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328 Bruh, I didn't even see this one. I have literally replied to you multiple times, most of which you ignore. To afraid to be proven wrong?
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@dylanwilliams2202 Don't know what to tell you, but I have seen nothing in both the running list of comments, or in my notifications that you have replied to me. If you did, of course I would reply! I'd be thrilled to read some thoughtful writing rather than your cut and paste.
@emjm9383
@emjm9383 Год назад
Melissa, are you trained or educated clergy? If so, I'm not understanding how the condescending tone towards mormons and jehovah witnesses exemplifies Christ's love towards all people, believers and non. And to call people's worship (or mode of communion) "demonic" really just ices the cake that non-believers have baked for Christians. I was waiting for the ironic twist where you surprise the viewers that you actually do love your neighbors (including the mormons and jehovah witnesses). It's clear that you and a lot of people here don't agree with mormon worship, but this hurts everyone who tries to preach and live Christ's love. Good heavens.
@colt40fly
@colt40fly Год назад
Beautifully stated.
@MiMiLfE
@MiMiLfE Год назад
Your amazing !! I was raised Mormon and I could not do what you do ! Great job planting seeds 🙏🏻
@gabriellameattray9778
@gabriellameattray9778 Год назад
Im just curious, why did you feel you could not do that?😅
@briandavis6898
@briandavis6898 Год назад
The temple veil represents the body of Christ. It was torn and destroyed when his body was torn and destroyed. But his body was restored in a glorious new form, the old testament law was fulfilled and a new law was given. Save with the temple. And even today scholars are bewildered at the new practices described in the new testament like baptism for the dead
@richardrowe4065
@richardrowe4065 Год назад
I really enjoyed watching this post, but found it a little hard to reconcile. I am what is commonly called a 'Inactive' Mormon, not an 'Ex-Mormon'. I have not actively participated in the LDS Church since college, almost 30yrs ago. Now that I have a 12yo daughter, my wife (Inactive Catholic) and I are having conversations about church more often. Growing up in the LDS Church, there was always more Bible study than Book of Mormon and/or Doctrine and Covenants. Recently went to Salt Lake City for volleyball tournament and after the morning games, did a temple visit. It had been 15yrs since last in SLC. While walking the grounds, 2 Missionaries introduced themselves and we started to talk about church, growing up LDS, being inactive, catholic spouse, and what church to raise my daughter in. The only scriptures shared were from the bible. There are plenty of questions about many different denominations and what church is best for you. My experience with LDS has always been Jesus is the Savior and died on the cross for all our sins. Hence why every Mormon payer ends with 'in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen'
@JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter
@JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter Год назад
I've been wandering and attempting to recommit to faith. Thank you for your words. Truth is true, always.
@kyrilascully7828
@kyrilascully7828 Год назад
As a former Catholic myself--got kicked out of Madonna Academy and the church at 14/15 over disagreements about what the Bible teaches--I spent seven years visiting every church I could find until one actually resonated with my personal experience with God. That was in 1975 and I've never looked back.
@akpokemon
@akpokemon Год назад
each year, the Mormon church classrooms rotate their teachings between the bible, book of mormon, and doctrine and covenants. It just depends what year it is. Also, the missionaries probably only shared bible verses to fight off the stereotype that Mormons aren't real Christians. It's just a manipulation tactic.
@joshuabrereton540
@joshuabrereton540 Год назад
Protestant Christians misunderstand the LDS doctrine of faith with works. Mormons know that they can't earn their way to heaven and it's only through faith in Christ that we can be saved. The "works" part of the equation is that if you have faith in Christ, you naturally begin to emulate Him by doing good works. Service is a natural outgrowth of faith. If you don't "do works" or serve your fellow man, then your faith is dead and you're only left with belief.
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
Works like repentance are mandatory because they are commandments. Jesus never had to repent, so, when you repent, you don't emulate Him, you are Obedient to the command; and for obedience you are blessed, and for disobedience ~ you better repent.
@pianogal853
@pianogal853 Год назад
The idea of the times aligning with neighborhoods is actually a nice way to develop a church community.
@lydiacs7789
@lydiacs7789 Год назад
I was raised Mormon and am now Protestant Christian. I left the Mormon church for theological reasons. But I did (and sometimes still do) miss the feeling of community. Because you have the same people at the same service every week, you get to know people better. It has taken me 3 years to finally feel part of my new church community because it was so hard to get to know people in the church when you don't see the same people from week to week. You don't have that in the Mormon faith, which I think is one reason some people stay there (even when they start to question the theology). I've known a fair number of Mormons who aren't quite onboard with the theology anymore but like the sense of community.
@pianogal853
@pianogal853 Год назад
@LydiaCS yes, Lydia, as a single person in many modern churches it is hard to make community like that. I always try to serve somewhere in church, and join a small group. I personally prefer family groups, because I don't necessarily want to hang out with other singles all the time. May your growth be blessed!
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@lydiacs7789 I completely concur with your feelings.
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
And I agree with PianoGal's advice to get involved with a small group or service project at church to get to know others better.
@JesusBeliever4Life
@JesusBeliever4Life Год назад
I finally found someone who does content that’s I need ❤️❤️❤️✝️ Thank you!!!
@GLM
@GLM Год назад
Hey - thanks for the shout-out! (also - 'tis pronounced Shaf-uh-wall-uff Shaf like Cough, uh like uh wall like wall and uff like tough...)
@lukewayne2953
@lukewayne2953 Год назад
To be fair, I was probably mispronouncing Aaron's name for at least a year even while we were a part of the same church and interacting regularly, ha ha!
@lindseyh5735
@lindseyh5735 Год назад
I've honestly never, ever heard someone have a problem with taking communion that isn't "unleavened bread and wine"... I've never even had communion with those things...
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
various Christian denominations make a big deal about things the Bible doesn't make a big deal about. That is why we have so many denominations. Know what you know and trust in Christ.
@jessc408
@jessc408 Год назад
Unleavened bread makes sense in light of Passover.
@hallereisbeck397
@hallereisbeck397 Год назад
Melissa, I love what you do. I was Mormon for 38 years. So I know what you're up against. Keep up the great work!
@christincommon5496
@christincommon5496 Год назад
How did you come to the truth?
@rickdavis2235
@rickdavis2235 Год назад
@@christincommon5496 Study the Bible without presuppositions.
@christincommon5496
@christincommon5496 Год назад
@@rickdavis2235 I was just wondering because my brother and sister in law are Mormon and I am looking for ways to reach them. They both went INTO Mormonism from Christianity because they said Mormons do more good for the poor, etc. they have both read the Bible.
@rickdavis2235
@rickdavis2235 Год назад
@@christincommon5496 If you watched Melissa's video, she talks about how unbelievers do good things too but that won't save them. The fact that they went into Mormonism from Christianity means they didn't really know the Bible because Mormonism contradicts the Bible. Usually when people tell me they've read the Bible, they mean they read verses that support their beliefs and have not studied it. I set out to read the Bible from front to back and I retained very little but when I began to study it in depth, I began to see how little I understood it from just reading it. We have a weekly, ongoing bible study at our church that we started in January with the Gospel of John and we're just now starting chapter 6. Is a Bible study possible with them?
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Год назад
@@christincommon5496 Is it true that they do more for the poor? Did you research it to see if they are they making it up?
@belovedinjesuschrist
@belovedinjesuschrist Год назад
I grew up mormon and now saved by the grace of God. By faith are you saved, it is a gift of God. ❤
@navigodelaney119
@navigodelaney119 Год назад
Your ministry is super helpful to us. Thank you!
@jacktaylor3638
@jacktaylor3638 Год назад
As a member of the church I just want to say I’ve got nothing but love for you guys. I think we have a lot more in common in Christ than not.
@tonyornelas9374
@tonyornelas9374 Год назад
Many Mormons are sincere, but they are sincerely wrong.
@KaitenKenbu
@KaitenKenbu Год назад
Finally a comment not fueled with bitterness.
@Kevinbajamedic
@Kevinbajamedic Год назад
Amen
@elisewallisrischar21
@elisewallisrischar21 Год назад
Amen ❤
@ValerieFulmer
@ValerieFulmer Год назад
As an LDS member, I agree that we all have more in common than we realize. We are all God’s children and He loves us more than we can imagine. ❤
@Thestargazer56
@Thestargazer56 Год назад
I was in Japan for business about 30 years ago. I was weary of having to communicate mostly in Nihongo, and was actually happy to be able to speak with two Mormon missionaries in a McDonalds. I told them that I am Pentecostal and we shared a couple of burgers. We had a pleasant conversation talking about home in the US and we talked little about differences in our beliefs. I think that we all enjoyed fellowship in our native tongue , being mostly homesick and missing our families. Personally I have had more disagreements in theology with my Catholic friends that insist that the path of Salvation is by Works and not Grace.
@ginjaninja6585
@ginjaninja6585 Год назад
As do Mormons, if not more so.
@akpokemon
@akpokemon Год назад
I was practicing mormon for 28 years. I'm not sure where you got the idea that salvation is by grace, rather than by works, in Mormonism? In Mormonism, there's an imaginary bucket of "good works" that you need to fill, in order to achieve the highest kingdom in heaven. (Along with a checklist of temple ordinances that must be performed in order to be eligible for a "ticket" to that highest kingdom...and in order to be eligible for a "ticket" to the temple, you need to regularly contribute your 10% tithe to the $150+ billion Mormon coffer.) Yes, you are to regularly utilize God's grace and forgiveness (via the Atonement) to aid in your climb toward salvation, but you have to put in the work--an enigmatic, nebulous amount of work. You never know if you're good enough, or what "tier" you're currently at. There's Celestial, Terestial, Telestial kingdoms in heaven, then "outer darkness". At any given point, your righteousness level is at one of those 4 places. And you're always hoping that you're at the top one. This uncertainty can lead to a lot of anxiety over your ability to follow a righteous path, and a lot of spite and judgment towards those that don't follow that path, especially fellow members.
@jacobsmithjr
@jacobsmithjr Год назад
I lived in Japan years ago and I was visiting a friend in the country. When I say county in Japan I mean the trains only ran every 30 minutes. I run Mormon missionaries in the middle of boondock Japan lol.
@Zundfolge
@Zundfolge Год назад
I get it, they no longer like the word "Mormon" (which is silly since its the title of their main book of doctrine, but whatever). But now we can't say "LDS"? I'm sorry, they have to come up with a shorter term than "Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" because ain't nobody got time for that.
@Harkescreative
@Harkescreative Год назад
"I gawt bronchitis!"
@MelissaDougherty
@MelissaDougherty Год назад
I didn't mention it in the video, but at least five or six times... Possibly more... during the visit with the missionaries, Elder "Senior" interrupted to correct me to tell me to say, "Members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints" instead of LDS or Mormon. I was like... Nah.
@Zundfolge
@Zundfolge Год назад
@@MelissaDougherty My guess is its the same as the language policing done by the woke left; its a means of stifling discussion and debate.
@Savedbygrace60
@Savedbygrace60 Год назад
😂
@hispoiema
@hispoiema Год назад
@@MelissaDougherty ummm… isn’t the Body of Christ the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints??? if I were to refer to anyone as that, it would only be to a real genuine Christian
@AJBernard
@AJBernard Год назад
I love you, Melissa. I've been dealing with Mormonism for 30 years now and your arguments are spot on.
@EllieBeee
@EllieBeee Год назад
I can't wait for you to dive deep into the Catholic religion. I am very interested in hearing about that from you. ☺️ Great work on this topic!
@olgamiller216
@olgamiller216 Год назад
My Pentecostal church doesn't use wine, we use grape juice. I have to admit I'm grateful for that because I am majorly allergic to wine! As for crying, a lot of people cry when sharing religious experiences with a friend, like having a prayer answered, or feeling that God has looked out for them or for family... friends. I also think the heart of the law is more important than the letter of the law. Things I think are weird about some of my fellow Christians is that they go to church wearing overly casual & often even immodest clothes. Interesting that they'll get all dressed up when going to a job interview, but considering all that God has done for us, and how much he loves us, we can't even show respect? I'll be forever scratching my head on that one! And no, I'm not talking about super fancy expensive clothes or shoes!
@celestevegan
@celestevegan Год назад
You are correct... I was Mormon for 12 years and even hearing you say it like this is so spot on... I was obviously very young and naive at 18 ... Glad I'm not still in bondage to those lies... Thank you for the video
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@walteradams5369
@walteradams5369 Год назад
@@dylanwilliams2202 so, how is it that American Indians are descendents of a Jewish guy who stole back some brass plates no one has ever seen but him?
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@walteradams5369 Uh what? Are you asking why no one has seen Nephi, who lived 2,600 years ago? Well, because he has been dead for a couple of years. If you are talking about the plates then that isn't true either. The plates were passed around in the Book of Mormon. There are 12 people official plus multiple other people in our day that have seen the plates and have testified multiple times to seeing them.
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@dylanwilliams2202 You need to either show the evidence of that or understand that your religion says that those "witnesses" only saw a vision of the plates. Anyone can be deceived, even you.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328 "You need to either show the evidence of that or understand that your religion says that those "witnesses" only saw a vision of the plates." You mean like the testimonies that are written in front of every Book of Mormon? "understand that your religion says that those "witnesses" only saw a vision of the plates." LOL No, we do not claim that nor did the witnesses themselves claim that. All of them said they say it with their natural eyes. That quote Melissa quoted about them seeing it with their spiritual eyes are third hand sources, or not reliable source (it was also only said about Martin Harris). Here a first hand source from David Whitmer, "Of course we were in the spirit when we had the view, for no man can behold the face of an angel, except in a spiritual view, *but we were in the body also, and everything around was as natural to us, as it is at any time."* A channel called Saints Unscripted has videos on all of them with the first hand quotes for you to see. You only become deceived if you don't question or verify what was said to you.
@laurelward2297
@laurelward2297 Год назад
I'm an ex Mormon. And really glad the fact they ask you to prayer and go with what you felt was brought up. That confused me for years after I left, as my FEELINGS told me me it was the true church. Great video.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Rejoin God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and rejoin their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@dylanwilliams2202 ...
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
@@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328 hi
@lumierebantange8132
@lumierebantange8132 Год назад
i’m not going to lie i’m a member of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and i loved this video. thank you for coming from a genuine place!
@LaurieKeckhaver
@LaurieKeckhaver 6 месяцев назад
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it. God sent a man, John the Baptist, to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. They are reborn-not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son. John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’” From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses, but God’s unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us. This was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders sent priests and Temple assistants from Jerusalem to ask John, “Who are you?” He came right out and said, “I am not the Messiah.” “Well then, who are you?” they asked. “Are you Elijah?” “No,” he replied. “Are you the Prophet we are expecting?” “No.” “Then who are you? We need an answer for those who sent us. What do you have to say about yourself?” John replied in the words of the prophet Isaiah: “I am a voice shouting in the wilderness, ‘Clear the way for the Lord’s coming!’” Then the Pharisees who had been sent asked him, “If you aren’t the Messiah or Elijah or the Prophet, what right do you have to baptize?” John told them, “I baptize with water, but right here in the crowd is someone you do not recognize. Though his ministry follows mine, I’m not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandal.” This encounter took place in Bethany, an area east of the Jordan River, where John was baptizing. The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! He is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘A man is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.’ I did not recognize him as the Messiah, but I have been baptizing with water so that he might be revealed to Israel.” Then John testified, “I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a dove from heaven and resting upon him. I didn’t know he was the one, but when God sent me to baptize with water, he told me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descend and rest is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I saw this happen to Jesus, so I testify that he is the Chosen One of God.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭34‬ ‭NLT‬‬ bible.com/bible/116/jhn.1.1-34.NLT
@valentineelizabeth9426
@valentineelizabeth9426 Год назад
I left the LDS church in 2011. I know Aaron too 😆 I still don't know how to say his name either. But I do remember that he is kind and gentle when talking to Mormons. I met him on a trip to Manti. I wrote a book about my experience as well. Glorious Imperfection: A Sinner's Witness of a Good God. You should check it out 👍
@markmorris8410
@markmorris8410 Год назад
Excellent job, Melissa! Blessings
@benbrobst7921
@benbrobst7921 Год назад
I’m currently meeting with Mormon missionaries and I’ve had experiences just like the one you’ve described! It’s so cool to hear of others sharing the true Gospel with victims of Joseph Smith. Praying for you and the missionaries🙏🏻
@Latterdaysaintcrunchymom
@Latterdaysaintcrunchymom Год назад
I’m not a victim. I’m made alive thru my covenants with Christ.
@BrendonKing
@BrendonKing Год назад
And dead in your sins! Crazy how that works.
@BrendonKing
@BrendonKing Год назад
@@OmegaMan28 this is a joke right? Imprecatory prayers are some of the most powerful prayers in all the OT/NT.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
@@dylanwilliams2202 Good for you. How many times did you cut and paste that now?
@bethcottam3328
@bethcottam3328 Год назад
This video just makes me so sad. I have absolutely loved watching HelloSaint in which a Christian pastor explores the LDS church. I have learned so much about other Christian religions. So when I saw the title and it was a women I was really excited to see another perspective, another Christian learning about my faith. So why am I sad and disappointed? Because it felt like you were trying to judge and argue and convince rather than learn. You don’t have to change your belief and I don’t have to change mine. But there is a lot we can learn from each other. If we fight criticism with curiosity. 😉
@theradiantdehd3997
@theradiantdehd3997 Год назад
She’s right though. Our missionaries are wholly unprepared for running into anyone who can argue with logic and is familiar with the Bible and Book of Mormon. Sending them out even earlier doesn’t help either. There is a lot going wrong, and things that President Nelson has said that felt so incredibly wrong and gone against the teachings of the Bible and BoM.
@nomadnationalist2776
@nomadnationalist2776 Год назад
Nobody really has to worry about losing a battle of logic with adversaries who rely on "the" bible and "the" book of mormon. What embarrassing drivel.
@alexcollard2973
@alexcollard2973 Год назад
Even if you ‘love watching’ a teacher no one replaces Jesus Christ teachings
@ValerieFulmer
@ValerieFulmer Год назад
As an LDS member I love Pastor Jeff and his Hello Saints RU-vid channel.
@pammorgan706
@pammorgan706 Год назад
This was a fantastic video Melissa. You are so gifted at telling a story with both clarity and humor. Thank you for reaching out to others with the true gospel that other Christians are hesitant to.❤🙏🙌
@jeffb5785
@jeffb5785 Год назад
Any religion that tells me I will not be saved if I am not with them, I can do without.
@garyslavinsky4201
@garyslavinsky4201 Год назад
I just realized that my Catholic upbringing taught me the original version of "Jesus and the Word PLUS". In fact, the pope said that it was dangerous for anyone to think that they could have a personal relationship with Jesus without the intervention of the sacraments and the church. That may not be an exact quote but that was the essence of what he said. And as you said, holding salvation hostage.
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
To: @Gary Slavinsky Re: holding salvation hostage. Jesus and the Word PLUS obeying the word and living the word does not hold salvation hostage ~ not doing the things that Christ asks you to do makes you a hostage of sin ~ the sin of omission ~ the sin of disobedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel The true gospel is, among other things, the gospel of scripture, listening to the Holy Spirit, receiving revelation, the gospel of grace, having mercy on others, performing miracles, blessing and caring for others, of doing good, of doing your duty towards God and man, forgiving others and yourself, repenting of your sins, the gospel of faith, being patient, of enduring to the end, of obedience and sacrifice, of learning, of becoming more Christ-like, day by day, by following the example of Christ, and in short it is the gospel of living by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Praise Jesus. The Church of Jesus Christ teaches that all religions have a portion of the truth. The Catholics were not wrong about everything. In this case, your upbringing was good to go. I am sure that they taught you many other important truths. .
@bornagainsaint6923
@bornagainsaint6923 Год назад
*atone, not stone.
@davidbowman9176
@davidbowman9176 Год назад
So, you basically found a set of young, inexperienced missionaries, who don't fully understand many of the LDS churches beliefs on many issues (Case in point: the ol' Saved by GRACE / WORKS debate) and they fed right into your narrative of all your issues you have with LDS doctrine. If you really want a more accurate representation of the LDS church's beliefs on such core issues, I recommend talking to a church member who is far more knowledgeable about such topics, AND who is ready to have a discussion with you (Not just catching them off guard after church, and then giving yourself props for how you rattled them). That would be much more refreshing & engaging to watch. I recommend Jared Halverson - RU-vid channel - Unshaken.
@skipragsdale
@skipragsdale 6 месяцев назад
You Go Girl!! I believe you were completely respectful in showing the two (younger) "elders" that there is more to think about than unquestioning following their church. I have been witnessing to a Mormon boss for going on 20 years. He comes from a third generation LDS family, been on two missions. Yet, when he sees that God is blessing me and my family but not so much his, he has more than a few questions how God blesses an apostate believer in Jesus Christ alone, "but not his people chosen to get Joseph's message". Aaron Shafovaloff, is absolutely fabulous in the message he puts out there, as are MRM ministries, Sandra Tanner, Mormon Coffee blog and others... I thank my boss for turning me on to (indirectly without his knowledge of course) these great respectful ministries with the LDS people in mind. First and foremost, when we witness to our Mormon friends, and the (younger) "elders" who come knocking on our doors. We must treat them with the same dignity and respect that the Jesus Christ we represent would reach out to them with. My Jesus would reach out to them in love just like he did to me before I knew him!
@xhaltsalute
@xhaltsalute Год назад
Out of all the choices I have made in my life, two that I chose against and am so grateful for were smoking and the Mormon religion. I was close to the second, within a week of baptism.
@walk4God
@walk4God Год назад
I appreciate how respectful you are to others who share opposing views. As Christians we need to remind ourselves of this as we can get defensive quickly ourselves.
@HeckOffCommie
@HeckOffCommie Год назад
I don't really see that. There's no indication that opposing views are welcome to speak and discuss here. If someone says they're an Ex this or that they get praise and if someone says a nice comment in line with her then they're welcome but I don't actually much disagreeing discussion taking place or welcomed. Not yet at least.
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy Год назад
Where is this respect you speak of? I just see her eye rolls. It's not like Pastor Jeff McCullough from Hello Saints.
@HeckOffCommie
@HeckOffCommie Год назад
@@CrackedCandy If she does roll her eyes I don't think it's intentional. That said I do think she lacks some respectful perspective. I do agree Jeff is a good, respectful person. Melissa is still a good person, she just lacks perspective.
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy Год назад
@@HeckOffCommie ..and patience, kindness, It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. These things are missing here. David Alexander is drunk on the spirit and she is bereft of love.
@gtf5392
@gtf5392 Год назад
Your analogy of the imitation crab resonated with me. Whenever I go to a sushi restaurant and the menu says the roll has crab in it, I always have to ask if it’s real crab or that imitation crab mix. Another metaphor which may or may not help some people is that of the yellow brick road in the Wizard of Oz. When I took ERT (emergency response team) training at my old company, the course instructor emphasized the importance of ‘staying on the yellow brick road’. They shared how in the movie, if you notice, Dorothy and her friends always got into trouble when they strayed off the yellow brick road. I feel it’s similar with the Bible, the more we stick to what the Bible teaches, the less chance of us getting swayed by new teachings or leaders with clever words that tell you not to trust the Bible.
@dylanwilliams2202
@dylanwilliams2202 Год назад
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We know and teach the Bible and gospel better than any other denomination. Join God and Jesus Christ in their Kingdom and join their true church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and learn all that they have to offer. Learn of their glory and mercy, learn of the plan they have of you.
@rosmariekdittmer-jerzy1044
@rosmariekdittmer-jerzy1044 Год назад
Oh Melissa, you speak so well, thank you. Whenever I visit my sister in Germany I ask the Lord for opportunities to witness to her. But the deception is so deep inside her head, so hard, so arrogant. No question on her part yet. But I trust the Lord. I continue to write to her, with great care and trusting the Lord to give me the words she needs to read. I look forward to the day when we can adore our Savior Jesus Christ without reservation, without 'yes, but'.
@k.a.4655
@k.a.4655 Год назад
I'm lifelong LDS. Maybe someone already said this, Joseph Smith did NOT write the Book of Mormon. he TRANSLATED it. And just like the Bible, it is composed of many different prophets who lived over centuries. It makes sense to me that he would send his word to the whole world, regardless of where they live or when. The Book of Mormon is a support to the Bible. It serves as a testament of Jesus Christ, a second witness of Jesus as our Savior and redeemer. It's on the title page. It does not present itself as "bible Plus". It presents itself as a support to and verification of the gospel as presented by Jesus Christ IN THE BIBLE. And we do read the bible. As a church, we rotate the focus of our scriptures study over a 4 year period. So every 1 in 4 years we focus on the new testament. Every 1 in four years we focus on the Old Testament. The other two years we focus on the Book of Mormon and more modern-day revelation. Of course, nothing stops an individual member from devising their own system of scripture study. But the church does provide this framework to assist members in organizing and focusing their studies over time. I absolutely love your attempt to understand various religions. But I think visiting three times over the course of ten years may not qualify any one person to present a religion to others. There are bound to be misunderstandings and misrepresentations with so little contact and study.
@margaritamoya3290
@margaritamoya3290 Год назад
Then, who wrote the Book of Mormon?
@scottfoxl7431
@scottfoxl7431 Год назад
So true about Mormons knowing their own scriptures much better than the WORD! My Mormon sister didn't know about Proverbs 31 for starters
@gemgem3280
@gemgem3280 Год назад
In the church we’ve noticed this and have started making changes in this. We have a new program where yearly we focus on one set of scripture, last year was the Old Testament and this year is the new. We consider the Book of Mormon to be the keystone of our religion, another testament of Jesus Christ, and so yes, we do tend to focus on that quite a bit, but that doesn’t mean we ignore the Bible, too.
@academyofchampions1
@academyofchampions1 Год назад
Active LDS here. I went to church on Mother’s Day. The sermons were about Jesus and mothers. Mothers were honored, as well as Jesus. I went to the second hour. Jesus was taught and mothers were honored. At the end of the meeting, every mother was given a homemade cookie and told “Happy Mother’s Day” and “Thank you”. You people have tried for nearly 200 years to destroy the restored church. Keep trying I suppose. Oh, and last week we went out into the community and gathered donations for crisis and domestic violence shelters. Yep, keep fighting against us. We are such bad people.
@mr.horrorchild4094
@mr.horrorchild4094 Год назад
LDS people are, like everyone else, not perfect, but their dedication to family and community is something everyone can learn from.
@academyofchampions1
@academyofchampions1 Год назад
@@mr.horrorchild4094 by their fruits ye shall know them
@ethancate8462
@ethancate8462 Год назад
I really don't understand how people call us evil when we just try to be good. It makes me so sad to see people so misinformed about our faith.
@academyofchampions1
@academyofchampions1 Год назад
@@ethancate8462 don’t sweat it. The best way to respond is to talk about the things you are doing as an active member to strengthen family, community, and country. Not out of boasting, but out of love. Then, they get to figure it out between them and God. By their fruits ye shall know them. Make sure that yours are productive fruits, from a place of love. By their efforts to actively discourage us, their fruits are made known.
@academyofchampions1
@academyofchampions1 Год назад
@@mr.horrorchild4094 also, thank you for your kind words
@leahix7356
@leahix7356 Год назад
Melissa!!! That was wonderful! I pray to be as bold in God's word as you are. Bless you❤
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
To: Lea His ... Re: That video was not wonderful ! Re: FACT CHECK RATING: Factual but distorted. The true history, the true story, a real picture of the Church is not given in this video.
@WtheredIsBetter
@WtheredIsBetter Год назад
Thank you so much ❤
@tybaltmarr2158
@tybaltmarr2158 Год назад
In the testinony of the eight witnesses Joseph showed them the plates, they handled the plates and "hefted" them. The three witnesses' testimony was more spiritual in nature (an angel showed them the plates and they heard the voice of God telling them to bear witness) which is the one I think you're referencing, but even they said they saw with their eyes. Not their "minds eye" as you said
@exposingfakechristianity5556
TM,.....You are completely blind, lost, and deceived. Completely steeped in darkness and deception. Repent!
@WtheredIsBetter
@WtheredIsBetter Год назад
0:11 you guys make great cookies 😂
@9jmorrison
@9jmorrison Год назад
Thank you for reaching out to religious people for Christ.
@jeremygunter8806
@jeremygunter8806 Год назад
James 1:27 says "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." Was James a heretic because he was religious?
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Год назад
This reminds me of so many of the interactions I had on my mission. She got a few things wrong in the first 10 minutes but the discussion with the missionaries is hard to listen to. Modern sectarian Christians argue like atheists when they discuss the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. All the humility and being like a little child stuff goes.out the window. This is exactly what Paul was referring to when he described those who were "ever learning, but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth" She is evidence that it's much harder to red pill the doctrinally woke than to red pill the politically woke.
@jlewis8145
@jlewis8145 Год назад
Joseph Smith and every LDS prophet since him have preached a gospel of “do,” negating the gospel of “done” that Jesus preached and was. The LDS church is all about what it and its members must still do and be if they want to live with God (and be a god) one day. The true church is all about proclaiming what Christ has DONE to make us right with God now for all eternity. It’s a certainty. Jesus Christ canceled the record of debt that was held against us. All you need to do is accept Christ by faith. It isn't because of who you are and what you must and can do for God. It is because of who God is and what He did for you in sending Jesus to be the sacrificial offering for your sins. To be your substitute on the cross and to satisfy the demands of God's law that stands against you. Christ has done the one work that was necessary to reconcile you to God. Christ has done the one act of righteousness that could bring justification and life to all men. All Christ is asking with open arms is for you to lay down your religiosity and works at the foot of the cross and allow Christ to take it. Salvation is quite simple. Luke 18 And He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and viewed others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, the sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 Год назад
@@jlewis8145 negating? Christ asked which of His good works the Pharisees tried to stone him for because they were of an evil spirit and believed not the works. The same corrupt spirit of the Pharisees is alive and well in modern sectarianism. The original 12 Apostles faced similar opposition as they WORKED TIRELESSLY to bring souls to Christ through their service, preaching, and example. They were high competency, high output servants of Christ who preached what they practiced. No one outworked them. According to your logic and interpretation they were also *negating* the work Christ had already done. Are you going to apply that argument to them as well? The fact that the Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ have consistently carried this Apostolic legacy (your claim) is a testament to both the authority they carry and He who bestowed it on them.
@milocadayong5320
@milocadayong5320 Год назад
@@HaleStorm49 thank you for depending our faith in Jesus Christ and his restored church with clarity and kindness.
@briandavis6898
@briandavis6898 Год назад
Participation in the sacrament is optional and meaningless to the non-member since it's a covenant renewal. Bread and water is used because the Lord revealed it's not necessary what the emblems are as long as it's done with focus on God (D&C 27). Water is simply easier and less messy. And bread is risen because the Lord rose after the last supper giving a bit of symbolism too. He has unleavened bread before he had risen. And leavened bread after he had risen.
@HT-rq6om
@HT-rq6om Год назад
So intriguing, refreshing and encouraging! I need to search your channel, to see if you gave something on the Eastern Orthodox church. The ones in it that I know are so steeped in saints worship, traditions and rituals that are contrary to the Bible, it’s a heart breaking.
@dianaphilip3600
@dianaphilip3600 Год назад
Well executed encounter, Melissa. My church uses normal bread and fruit juice for the Holy Communion and so does many others. Some churches use wafer. Should it matter whether it is leavened or unleavened? It is a remembrance of His sacrifice not the actual event.
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs Год назад
The time a Christian of one denomination visited another Christian denomination.
@justincameron9661
@justincameron9661 Год назад
Pray for the LDS
@chay516
@chay516 6 месяцев назад
The gaslighting from them is real! I am going to arm myself with the truth, the Bible, and Jesus and I’m going to lovingly save my family.
@redbull83910
@redbull83910 Год назад
As an ex Mormon it is annoying to see them cling to cognitive dissonance. They once embraced their name and doctrine.
@beeapprentice2725
@beeapprentice2725 Год назад
For 200 years, "Mormon" was NEVER the name of this church. That was a name invented by other people. Because it was used so much by outsiders in the media, the church tried using it in media for a while to communicate with others. Now using only the official name of the church which was established and formally registered way back in 1830. The basic doctrine has not changed, Mormon is still the name of an ancient prophet of God and we still honor him as a servant of the Lord similar to Moses, Noah or Paul.
@EmeryShae
@EmeryShae Год назад
@@beeapprentice2725 the church did a whole advertising campaign called “I am Mormon”.
@terrystimson8169
@terrystimson8169 Год назад
I very much appreciate the friendly spirit of the video. Longtime active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I appreciate people like you being able to talk to with others 24:15 in a respectful inquisitive way with respect and civility. I welcome any denomination who knock on my door. Despite any doctrinal differences I’m just happy to see believers with enough conviction to go out of their way to witness to others. Keep up the good work.
@tjboyd9764
@tjboyd9764 Год назад
Very very good job and genuine. Great video and I’m grateful that you handled yourself Christlike as you encountered the LSD missionaries in love and compassion and truth.
@chay516
@chay516 6 месяцев назад
Joining your channel now! Love your humor! And I am definitely taking this to my family. Lovingly
@ceraroberts2691
@ceraroberts2691 Год назад
I enjoyed this so much. I am a Bible Christian living in a generational Mormon small Utah town. The folks around me are very kind, but they have no idea how to handle me. My family history is with wagon / handcart pioneers that settled Utah, so it's assumed that I still was. Upon finding out I don't partake, they get a bit worked up. I do tell them that my Jesus does not have a brother named Lucifer. They tell me I need to read my Bible😂😂😂😂😂😂 I giggle and walk away. Hopefully they chew on that statement for a minute.
@dreambeliever3652
@dreambeliever3652 Год назад
This was packed full. Great video
@MikeOnTheHomestead
@MikeOnTheHomestead Год назад
I fundamentally disagree with Mormonism but the one thing I think they are correct on (albeit for the wrong reason) is that you can not be saved by faith alone. Faith and works must be in lock step. For your faith to be true, it must be demonstrated with love. Jesus gave us two additional commandments: 1. Love thy God above all things. 2. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Love by definition, has to be demonstrated in these cases. You can not internalize it.
@ethancate8462
@ethancate8462 Год назад
Also works doesn't exactly get you saved, but being saved makes you want to do good works.
@MikeOnTheHomestead
@MikeOnTheHomestead Год назад
@@ethancate8462 donating your time and energy to God and charity is the embodiment of loving your neighbor.
@JesusChristisGodintheFlesh
@JesusChristisGodintheFlesh Год назад
I love you !!😂🙌🏼 thank you for doing Gods work 💯🔥 I pray their eyes would be opened and they would be compelled to read the Bible in Jesus name 🙏🏼
@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529
@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 Год назад
*"Now 'that' is a carpenter's cup."* That is an insightful analogy. Melissa has a talent for asking good questions.
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
To: @Awaitingthetrumpetcall Re: FACT CHECK RATING: Factual but distorted. The true beliefs of the Church are not presented in this video. And that my friend is neither insightful nor talented ~ it's failure. 4-example: Here's a few of Ms. Melissa's failures. . Ms. Melissa, accidentally, knowingly or not, confesses that the Latter-day Saints are the true Church. After all the Savior, Jesus said that the test of tests is that ~ By their "cookies" ye shall know them. ... . . Here's a thought provoking comment: If you belong to a faith tradition which allows you attend anywhere and anytime you want ~ then by attending any where or when you want ~ you are voting which pastor you want to follow. That's what the Bible refers to as pastors preaching to those with itching ears. It's you choosing God's servant instead of God choosing God's servants. God choosing God's servants, in my opinion, is the right way ~ God's way. ... well at least, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. It's rude to say that someone else's faith tradition is fake. It's rude for me to point out that pointing out is rude. I apologize. I'm sorry. Feelings and experience are not superior to facts in the Church. "Information is not knowledge. The only source of knowledge is experience. You need experience to gain wisdom." ... Einstein. He also said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Our understanding of testimony is similar ~ mind, body, spirit; i.o.w, we gain spiritual knowledge by study of the word, living the gospel, and God's answers to prayer. . Those are Ms. Melissa's first four points. She got them all wrong. She got literally everything that she said wrong. So... please forgive me when I say. Ms. Melisssa is not qualified to speak intelligently on the Church. Other than that... That's all I've got for ya. We wish Ms. Melissa and you well. . peace
@jeffrey8959
@jeffrey8959 Год назад
How is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints _not_ Christian? It's right there in the name!
@clearstonewindows
@clearstonewindows Год назад
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 🙂 I love it! My Grandpa's Grandpa lived with Joseph Smith and his sister was one of his first sisters wives, he was also shot at haunse mill (Lots of persecution over us being agest slavery and all) I just state that for context on my next statements. I know many of you have read or been told that the's a lunatic. I'm here to add my witness to his. 22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! 23 For we saw him🌟🌟🌟, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father- 24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." People He lives!!! and Prophets today still testify of him! Now bring on the part about us stealing babies and Jesus Being satin's brother.... Or Learn for your self as Peter did, from the father in heave that Jesus is the Christ and he is doing a marvelous work and a wonder in the las days. Good luck!
@clearstonewindows
@clearstonewindows Год назад
Weird how my comment doesn't show in every view? Any techies out their know why?
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 Год назад
@@clearstonewindows your weird comment is why : it doesn't make sense AI is confused by your comment.
@clearstonewindows
@clearstonewindows Год назад
@@davidjanbaz7728 Okay must be showing know. thanks for the confirmation that the AI has changed its mind apparently.
@kathycollardmiller13
@kathycollardmiller13 Год назад
Great job, Melissa. Thanks so much.
@danvan2683
@danvan2683 Год назад
The Mormon meetings feel very familiar and safe, the issue of doctrines are pretty ambiguous, theres lots of opinions and they don't take what leaders say as seriously as they used to, what's important is that every week they get together in this programmatic familiar way and assure each other that it is in fact true and the persecution proves it
@zionmama150
@zionmama150 Год назад
9:46 here is what you’re missing about that: the definition of white face actually is. James chapter 2 says that faith is not true. Faith unless works manifest that Faith. That doesn’t mean that people are perfect, but what it means that they’re going to be doing works that are good. We can know people by their fruits. If they love their neighbor, and do the things that Jesus asked them to do, then that is enough to say that a person is on the covenant path, the first step of the covenant path being the walk of faith. I would say, many evangelicals, Muslims, and people in other faiths are on that part of the path.
@Laughingstock.
@Laughingstock. Год назад
Thank you Melissa, great insight and extremely helpful to know how to cross the barrier and share the true gospel with people of LDS and JW faiths. I have to say I thought is was truly heartbreaking to know the JW's pass the elements but refuse them. I appreciate your courage, knowledge and transparency. Love your humor most of all. God Bless you.
@allyor5716
@allyor5716 Год назад
We, members of the church of Jesus Christ of later day saints are CHRISTIANS, 🤷🏻‍♀️♥️
@michaelkendall662
@michaelkendall662 Год назад
in no shape manner or form are you Christians....Christian the term means to move to become more Christ-like using Him as an example....because you seek to become a god on your own does NOT qualify
@allyor5716
@allyor5716 Год назад
@@michaelkendall662 who are we to judge others?
@allyor5716
@allyor5716 Год назад
Christian’s don’t judge, try no to, we are following the example of Christ. Respecting and trying to understand others views. Have a nice day.
@michaelkendall662
@michaelkendall662 Год назад
@@allyor5716 EVERYONE judges...you cannot move through your day without judging...that is just a vacuous statement and a misrepresentation of scripture......it says if you judge you will be judged in a like manner....it is a WARNING that you must judge righteously or you will be judged just as harshly as you judge others....same as the beam in thine own eye and splinter in thy neighbors eye....I can understand if you are Moromon you have misread or misunderstood the Bible as this is what you are taught to do
@allyor5716
@allyor5716 Год назад
@@michaelkendall662 see, you’re already assuming things. 😃
@childswilliam8952
@childswilliam8952 Год назад
I find your approach to be an impressive mixture of love and challenge, seasoned with respect. I am vaguely Anglo-Catholic (former Evangelical) and have been talking to Mormons on and off since 1976. Bless you.
@unpopularopinions9076
@unpopularopinions9076 Год назад
LOVE THIS!! My husband and I spent a couple of years at the beginning of our marriage hosting Moon Missionaries for meals. I have such a special place in my heart for Mormon community
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
To: @Unpopular Opinions: thank you for your kind words, nevertheless, The true beliefs and a real picture of the Church of Jesus Christ are not given in this video. 4-example: We are asked to read all scriptures once a yr every yr including the Old and New Testaments. Elders have a list of scriptures to memorize ~ the Bible list just as long as the others. Sunday School from Nursery to Adult are on a 4yr schedule and the Old and New Testaments get 1yr of intensive study, exactly as the others. Our "sharper" missionaries should at least be familiar with anything you want to talk about, but alas & hallelujah it is a lay clergy.
@jtandrews3
@jtandrews3 Год назад
When two people have differing viewpoints and each is sure they are correct, there is going to be a little tension in the conversation. Evidence is a tricky thing. What's convincing to one might be ridiculous to another. But I think God made it on purpose so that we can't prove anything to an unbeliever. It's not about proof. It's about changing hearts. If someone wants to change their heart, turning to God is the best way I know that can happen. I actually have one correction regarding your video. The witnesses of The Book of Mormon actually did see with their own eyes and physically handled the plates. They wrote that in their testimonies which are included in the introduction section of The Book of Mormon.
@DiffQ_Bro
@DiffQ_Bro Год назад
Kevin Barney's article, "Examining six key concepts in Joseph Smith's understanding of Gen. 1:1" shows how many of the things revealed by Joseph Smith have now become the dominant consensus of mainstream Bible scholars on what the Bible teaches.
@kyrilascully7828
@kyrilascully7828 Год назад
Loved the Indiana Jones metaphor. May I borrow it? The experience you described reminded me of my teenage confrontation with the nuns and priests at my Catholic church and Catholic high school. They told me I need to stop reading the Bible and stick to the catechism because only priests have the authority to discern the Bible--their words. I may have called them blasphemers for changing the ten commandments, I may have said other things, there was yelling, and then they asked me not to return to school. I'd say that was my proudest moment.
@andrewjenkins7493
@andrewjenkins7493 Год назад
Melissa, this is pretty sad. All I saw and heard here were smirks and an unusual level of arrogance. It appears you feel you've given a successful review of a church to your subscribers by sharing a conversation you had with a 19 year old boy that somehow can't answer all your questions. You then make light of the individual for sharing a testimony of what he believes and then claim that he demanded you "submit" to it? I have my doubts. I'll need to see the tape on that one because it doesn't align with anything I've ever witnessed. In all, it's clearly not an honest assessment and it's tainted by an apparent 'go-to' move of reducing everything to just 'feelings'. I also found it interesting that one of the core complaints is "Mormons don't read the Bible enough" while simultaneously saying "It doesn't impress me when Mormons quote (read!) the Bible" (5:40). Where's the logic? Again, just not an honest assessment and that's unfortunate to your followers here. I'd challenge you to find someone in the building that's a little more experienced and sit down and record your conversation for us. I'd love to hear *that* conversation over a re-telling of a time you dunked on a 19 year old boy that believed enough in his message to leave his home and family for two years to tell people about it. I cringe a little to think of the kind of reviews you've given other church's. Maybe I misinterpreted the goal here though.
@restlessfeet1
@restlessfeet1 Год назад
Well said. An unusual level of arrogance indeed.
@milocadayong5320
@milocadayong5320 Год назад
ahh, the dishonesty... and she is getting these accolades...it is sickening.
@bradsorensen6093
@bradsorensen6093 Год назад
I left the church and came back to it and now love it even more then before
@Kevin-ts7hf
@Kevin-ts7hf Год назад
How long were you gone for?
@bradsorensen6093
@bradsorensen6093 Год назад
4-5years
@Kevin-ts7hf
@Kevin-ts7hf Год назад
​@@bradsorensen6093 I'm curious what brought you back to the faith?
@freemind..
@freemind.. Год назад
@@bradsorensen6093 - I did the same. I left in my early 40s but came back in my early 50s. When I left, it wasn't because of anything specific to the LDS church. It seemed that "science" had disproven the biblical Creation and Flood narratives. Then one night in 2016, I saw that I had been very wrong... and for a very long time. It changed my world overnight.
@ValerieFulmer
@ValerieFulmer Год назад
@autumnfauver
@autumnfauver Год назад
Loved this. Former Mormon from birth this is exactly right. I think you agitate their demons more than anything when you point out that their good works will not get them into the kingdom of God that the ordinances they perform are not biblical whatsoever
@beeapprentice2725
@beeapprentice2725 Год назад
The Bible does contain remnants of ordinances that had been lost. For example, “What do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). However, Latter Day Saints have accepted modern revelation to clarify these things. We don't have to play by the Protestant's self-imposed rule of sola scriptura. That is your rule you chose for you and we reject it as out of line with Bible teachings. The entire Bible declares IN EVERY SINGLE CASE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, that God calls prophets/apostles, and again reveals his word through them when he tries to teach the people, after they have fallen away from the truth he gave their fathers. Saying God is never allowed to reveal more truth is to put the Bible above God himself.
@bunny_0288
@bunny_0288 Год назад
@@beeapprentice2725 Revelation 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." Also, how can the Book of Mormon be "more truth" when it completely contradicts the Bible. How can truth contradict truth? The CES letter is a very good list of all the flaws and inconsistencies of Mormonism. Questions that an LDS member tried to get answered. But no one in the church ever answered him. Why not? If your church is true, why couldn't they answer the questions he had?
@FebbieG
@FebbieG Год назад
​@@bunny_0288 Seeing as how the Bible is a compilation of many books, isn't that reference in Revelation referring to the Book of Revelation itself, not the then un-compiled anthology that we know today as the Bible?
@briandavis6898
@briandavis6898 Год назад
Finally don't just ask if the book of Mormon is true. Read it first, study it, then pray with a sincere and humble heart. I hope you do
@lukehanson_
@lukehanson_ Год назад
Hey, you should just have "a LDS" on your show to talk to them instead of relating your version of the story. I know several channels that would be more than happy to do so. I'd also be happy to do so as well.
@bigbill42007
@bigbill42007 Год назад
I truly respect your boldness and think you are doing a great job for the Lord. I left my last church because they had a creed they would say that bothered me greatly but because they took me in and I was desperate for fellowship I gritted my teeth and tried to stay but I was vexed by it. I won't quote the entire thing but the main part that got to me was "we take the Bible seriously but know it needs reinterpretation for our time" It was United so they had the flag up also. I left but didn't do what I wanted to do and challenge if anyone could quote the gospel chapter and verse and see how many could tell me 1st Corinthians 15:1-4. Watching this you have stirred up some old feelings because I know many there wanted the truth but got nothing but itchy ears. I wish I did more to feed some sheep or stand up for the gospel. Thank you for your video and keep running the race sister. God bless you in Jesus name.
@jamescraigg5599
@jamescraigg5599 Год назад
It's important to keep in mind the language and time the book of Mormon was written in order to understand that historically everyone would have understood that after all you can do would be equivalent to saying in spite of all or regardless of all we can do.
@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328
Well, that's certainly a spin I've never heard before. And just what time of the BoM are you talking about when it was written?
@jamescraigg5599
@jamescraigg5599 Год назад
@@janetspiritofthelivinggod6328 it's not a spin, and I am referring to the time of translation, in a language early saints would have understood.
@rnggaming9690
@rnggaming9690 Год назад
Exceptional video. Thank you for posting this.
@firecloud77
@firecloud77 Год назад
19:44 "This is just a terrible way to test the truth." Seeking truth by asking God is a terrible way to test the truth? The bible disagrees with you. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." --James 1:5
@liorabarnes4491
@liorabarnes4491 Год назад
Help me tell them fr
@lcwalker2920
@lcwalker2920 6 месяцев назад
When I was having doubts about the teachings of the church (LDS) I tried to reconcile things and eventually asked my Dad what should I do. I didn't want to leave! But staying would have made me a hypocrite. I remember him telling me that "Doing the right thing doesn't always feel good". Best advice I ever had. I left and never went back. But I did come to the biblical Jesus later on. Thank the Lord, He was waiting patiently for me to open that door.
@MercyOnASinnerLikeMe
@MercyOnASinnerLikeMe Год назад
God bless you and your work and ministry, Melissa! We need more real frontliners like you helping us sharpen and clarify doctrine.
@s.a.adams-ford1216
@s.a.adams-ford1216 Год назад
How do you feel about other religions? Tell us what's wrong with other Christian religions. And just for the record. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a Christian Church. It's even in the name of the Church itself. The Church of "Jesus Christ" of Latter Day Saints.
@JesusisLOVEJohn-
@JesusisLOVEJohn- Год назад
Jeremiah 17:9 KJV The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
@TheEndIsNear123100
@TheEndIsNear123100 Год назад
My comment will be lose in her what you do is amazing :) may God bless you and give you everything you need.
@kaylahall1219
@kaylahall1219 Год назад
7:16 I am calling bull excrement here. We have a term for it in the church, Bible Bashing. You claim you came in non-confrontationally. I am not sure of what your true intent was. You seem to come in to reconfirm your previous biases. If I am wrong I am sorry. You claim your intent was to lay your cards on the table, yet you seem to give no patience or time for them to really consider your questions.
@briandavis6898
@briandavis6898 Год назад
Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
@tylerburns1364
@tylerburns1364 Год назад
Grew up in the church and was sceptical as a youth and tried things my own way. Came back within the last 3 years and am a happy believer and member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints! Jesus Christ is my savior and I'm so grateful for His attonement. It's unfortunate so many other Christian groups say we aren't Christian but we love you anyways!
@darrinhawkins8087
@darrinhawkins8087 Год назад
Yet the name of the Church bares His name 😇
@pitelf3852
@pitelf3852 Год назад
during the early church period Mormons were persecuted in missouri , the church e3lders went to grate lengths to procure wine but the troubles with poisoning so Joseph Smith prayed to the lord and received revelation which is recorded in the Doctrine and covenants (I forget the location) but the lord reviled wine wasn't the importance part in the sacrament water is fine . hope this helps
@harryabelpotter9630
@harryabelpotter9630 Год назад
To: @Pit Elf ... that would be Doctrine and Covenants 27 1 Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Lord, your God, and your Redeemer, whose word is quick and powerful. 2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory-remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins. 3 Wherefore, a commandment I give unto you, that you shall not purchase wine neither strong drink of your enemies; 4 Wherefore, you shall partake of none except it is made anew among you; yea, in this my Father’s kingdom which shall be built up on the earth. We wish you well, peace.
@towardcivicliteracy
@towardcivicliteracy Год назад
"Witnessing" to Mormons is always so formulaic. I grew up in the Bible Belt as a (still) active member of the Church of Christ, and I've heard all of these claims all my life, ad nauseum. It's like you've simply memorized a script, and are taught not to challenge or think any deeper than that one script. I've already thought pretty deeply on these criticisms, and it's all meaningless, contradictory, confused, fails basic logic, ignorant of LDS theology, or outright fabrications. Good works are a (1) necessary condition, (2) not a sufficient condition, of our salvation. They are necessary because of God's covenant relationship with his people--those who enter in on the Gospel path of faith, repentance, baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Good works are NOT necessary because it is possible for works to bridge the gap between God's perfection and our sinfulness. That's not what good works do. But, having a willing heart to do the works of Christ makes it possible for HIS power to change us for the better. And we "show our faith by our works," as James 2:18 says The reason claiming "works doesn't save you" ACTUALLY DOESN'T excuse you from ordinances such as baptism and Communion is simply that doing that very short, relatively easy list of things (and it goes without saying) is NOT EVEN CLOSE to saying that one must never sin to be saved. And, in fact, Communion ("the sacrament," in LDS lingo) essentially publicly proclaims that you're NOT saved by works, on a weekly basis!!! As Jesus said: "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" (John 7:17). That's the promise to those who do good.
@danielmeakin
@danielmeakin Год назад
No that is a promise to those who do His will. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day. See also Romans 3:10-18
@christopherjones67
@christopherjones67 Год назад
Hebrews 9:12, 26. It is finished. No one else whether it's Joseph Smith or Ellen White.
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