At least it was quick and painless. The passengers didn't even know what was wrong with the Titan, but the CEO did, and didn't follow rules and fired someone for calling the problems out. This is a sad story.
Quick but they knew something was going wrong so panic probably ensued and you’re in this tight space so that probably increases the anxiety which is not a good feeling.
The passengers actually did know it some people even refused to go on because they knew that it was crap because the cow didn't hide anything and he was fully transparent with thenfact thst ut wasnt certified
@@romanrules007Some reports say that the sub tilted vertically for almost a minute at some point. Everyone got pinned down on top of one another helpless on the window side of the sub. It must have been terrifying.
Let's establish this before people forget and think this was just the price payed for innovation. 1. He was told multiple times that carbon fiber doesn't do well under compression. 2. Despite that, he still bought unserviceable and expired carbon fiber filament from the aerospace industry. 3. He then didn't properly do the resin injection likely resulting in voids in the casting. 4. He didn't mechanically interface the titanium with the carbon fiber. He literally just glued it in place. 5. He ignored all lisencing and certifications because he could not meet them. 6. Used a glass window only rated for 1,300 meters while travelling down over 3000. This is what happens when you have more money than good sense. Edit: please check legaleagle's video on the topic. It was *much* worse than I thought.
Edit: Everyone is correcting me in the comments saying that everyone knew, and they heard the submarine break apart. Thank you for the info, but that's not what I'm getting at. In the video, there's a part where they send their last message, the vessel on top responds but gets no answer. That part, that is spine-chilling. The fact that the sub imploded in 1 millisecond without anyone knowing is just spine chilling. They're down in the depths of the ocean, and at anytime the titan can just shrink in an instant without anyone at the vessel knowing...
@@SourceSFM your vision is about 13ms delayed, and the brain processes pain (and most things) at roughly 100ms. They did not feel a thing, and likely didn’t see anything either. This is the best way to die, but it really does suck they died such a preventable death (especially those unrelated to the company).
James Cameron said he suspected the occupants would've heard the de-lamination of their carbon fibre hull before it imploded. A "crackling sound", I guess, would be how that sounded.
@@LittleLulubee I'm not sure he did, I think he just deluded and tricked himself with his own nonsense and bluster. He was trying to create a new business model in underwater tourism, probably hoping to make a lot of money in the process and believed he was Captain Kirk exploring new frontiers. Be he seemed to have a lot of arrogance and hubris not wanting to listen to those trying to warn him about the dangers of what he was doing. If he did want to die that way he was also extremely inconsiderate about the others he took with him, especially the poor young lad who didn't even want to be there by sounds of it.
THEY DID PRIORITIZE SAFETY OCEAN GATE IS A BILLION DOLLER COMPANY! If you where a police officer and someone shot you in the head instead of your bulletproof vest doesn’t mean your safety wasn’t prioritized, it just means something “Happened” 💀
Every single person that warned the CEO was an "old white dude", and that is why he ignored them. Progressive mindrot at work, and sadly it led to the death of innocent people.
Yup they actually said even getting in your car is a risk so therefore its normal to sink down to Titanic depth in a squishy carbon fibre box 📦 that crackles and pops, cos life is a risk
He even fired the REAL engineer when he alarmed him about the flaw on that sub. Reason for fired because "he was old and slow". Then he hired 3 leftards for "young and fast" and this is the consequence of that action.
2:03 the last message made by the submarine at 09:46:37. They were at 3,457 meters according to the message They didn't respond to the next message so they probably died within 2 minutes - but instantaneously. RIP, Titan sub and its occupants.
@Reddzion that's not what they said. They were just tracking the time until their oxygen would hypothetically run out and thus it would be impossible to save them. They only found out how they died a little bit later In truth they were there to confirm the deaths
@@Reddzion Rush’s partner is no less than a jerk. I think he was hoping against hope. Cameron said notes were being shared in their small community to understand what happened. I think it is this same script circulated. But their conclusions were not being heard.
With how sad this is it shows how stupid of an idea it was in the first place. Full sympathy to those involved except the CEO and company, they should've had to have the submarine regulated if its civilian made for private uses. Someone should be held responsible for not looking into the safety of this
what is said is how people are forgetting these were genuine human lives lost and the publicity surrounding this accident has cause millions of people to forget that and just joking around/ focusing on the specifics of it. Rest in peace.
@@gusmoment the only casualty i feel bad for is the teen who went cuz his dad wanted him too. Everyone else went on a stupidly unsafe thing and had to sign waivers saying they are ok with the state of the craft. I feel no remorse for someone who did something stupid
So if these messages are real, they knew for at least 18 minutes that something was terribly wrong 😱😱 Poor kid, who had already been terrified to go. He probably had a premonition. Imagine the sense of utter dread and panic, knowing you’re totally doomed 💔
@Ryan-qm3rm No, the father was the one who really wanted to go- he had been obsessed with the Titanic his entire life. The son went to please his father, because it was Father’s Day. But the boy’s aunt said he was terrified and didn’t really want to go 💔
This debate is most likely false, carbon fiber doesn't make cracking noises, when it weakens it almost immediately breaks into multiple pieces, and since the hull was made of carbon fiber, I'm pretty sure to say that ~20 minutes of 'noises' harassing the crew and passengers is a indicative of a false debate
it’s very sad how the passengers passed because of the crackling in the rear and the drop of the landing gear thats how we found those pieces first before we found the imploded submarine
In Greek mythology titans lost the war and were vanquished to tartarus. Tartarus is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans
@mamoonarshad304 apparently what he's trying to say is that the incident involving titan is quite similar to Greek mythology except Tartarus here, in this case, refers to the titanic wreckage site which also became the resting place of the titan.
The people on the sub all knew they were in huge trouble. They could all hear the crackling and crunching of the carbon fiber failing, all around them. They tried repeatedly to drop the frame from the sub before it dropped off and still the sub did not want to start surfacing. Somewhere on that sub, parts never meant to retain seawater were retaining sea water and therefore adding weight that was not allowing the sub to surface. It could have been battery cases swelling as sea water forced its way inside and blew them up like a balloon of weight. It could have been hose exteriors doing the same thing. Even worse, there could have been an exterior carbon fiber delamination that sea water was prying apart and creating a void that sea water was rushing inside to add weight to the sub and hold it down. Every person on that sub knew they were about to die. And they knew from before 9:28:16 to 9:46:37. Eighteen minutes is a long time to see death coming for you and to know you are in the very worst place you could ever be to meet it. You have no escape. This is the legacy of Stockton Rush and his statement, "Safety is relative." Safety is not relative anymore.
@@yorick9874 This is what @ecsyntric said: the key is they could not ascend. it was very slow. normally once weights are dropped, all air tight capsules float to the top quickly nothing incompressible is affected even if water infiltrates into spaces with equipment even if the hull is delaminating, there is nothing to compress - doesn't add weight to the sub so nothing "blows up" in these conditions only thing pulling sub up is the thruster and the buoyancy from the air inside the hull only thing pulling it down is the total weight they jettisoned the weights/frame but still could not rise the only conclusion is either (a) they were overweight from the start (b) somehow slowly lost buoyancy which is hard to explain [c] thought they dropped weight as communicated but did not drop enough in reality
Even if that's not how physics work, you paint a haunting picture. I can imagine invisible hands slowly picking and prying at the hull of the sub. It's finger slowly slipping into cracks and pulling slowly, letting just that bit more water in. Eventually getting all the way through before suddenly ripping the sub in two and imploding on itself
I always find the scariest stuff at 10 at night. I feel so bad for the loss of the families. Makes my skin crawl thinking of being down in the ocean and knowing you might not make it out.
If these messages are real, I'm glad we're finding out more information on what caused this terrible, terrible incident. Rest in peace the victims and condolences to the families. Must've been absolutely terrifying hearing the crackling sounds. -edit
@@twobrosincorporated( opinion!!!!)yes they are people but (if am correct) for those who don’t care about them, don’t feel any connection to 5 rich billionaires that only wanted to have a knowing dangerous adventure to see…a boat. And also the only news I was getting was the billionaires but nothing (besides TikTok?) about the 750 refugees that were being refused help? (The people were moving because (reason why) to have a better life and yet men,women and kids drowned (What I learned: Sometimes having lots of money treats you more human compared to others. If the rolls were reversed ( 5 people that are not billionaire) the government would have not put so much effort on trying to help them) And finally (sorry for being this long) if you put your self in any avoidable,dangerous stupid situation or problem….we’re all going to make jokes 😂)
I think the saddest part is what the guy above me mentioned about the refugees, at least 80 died and there are 500 missing people but no one cares about that
I still don’t get how anyone would dive to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in this thing. If a group of my fellow engineering students had been given a task to construct a submersible that can bring about 4 people to the bottom of the local lake, on a 500€ budget and about 4 weeks time to do it, the solution we would come up with would look something like the Titan.
@@geoff-lukebihler6157 Are you telling me that hull is not even stell but some weaker material? That they would use at least steel, if not something stronger, I just took as an asumption when you're building a deep see submarine.
The Titanium end cap popped off aft. The carbon fiber was actually under 5 inches thick on both ends. The video of titans assembly clearly shows tapered ends for the titanium rings to be literally glued on. Stockton Rush actually says the fit must be uniform and small but not too small. The carbon fiber Epoxy was cracked enough for the vessel to lose the round shape or even a pin hole seal was enough to give way and boom! The ring and titanium cap came off aft following implosion and only caps left
Note at 2:15, the texts from the sub have bad grammar, and are short and lowercase, this indicates rush was probably panicked and urgent to fix the problem
It’s horrifying to know for a fair few minutes there they knew they were goners but the madness that would have followed that thought process will haunt that part of the ocean for quite some time😔
...as the Titan joins the Titanic down there, haunted by upwards of a thousand similar ghosts who had had even more time to reflect that "we are goners." ☠
@@elpersonpl576 they were a bunch of goons with how dumb it was to go into the ocean in that thing to begin with, tbh. Call me disrespectful all you want, but this is just a classic case of natural selection.
Makes you wonder what the last thing they process is. They definitely feel fear, but then in the few seconds before failure did something happen that _could_ make them understand they're about to die. They have just a bit of hope they might make it out, but did something happen that made them understand their fate was sealed? Or did they only feel fear and vain hope before suddenly...
@@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275they at best might have see it's glass window start to crack before it the whole sub got crashed. But 8 times out of 10 it imploded without any warning.
I'm sure they knew, there is no way, they would have been literally watching the thing as he was sending stuff, because there was no room, they were right next to eachother, they would have known as soon as things weren't going smoothly. That prick would have probably said, let's keep going down, but the dad and other members probably asked them to go up and they must have felt it. Imagine you are in submersible, you would not be asleep, you would pay attention to every little thing, unless it's very smooth, you will be scared shirtless, they probably knew for several mins, maybe there was some hope but I'm sure they were scared.
That messages, if true, show many things. One is that panic might have occurred inside the sub, with all passengers so close to each other, they were all aware of the alarms and what the CEO was reporting to the ship above. The other is that oceangate knew right away that the sub had imploded. That was no way they would take so much time to report the missing sub, that disappeared sending distress signals, if they didn’t know they were done for. I mean, it was on everyone’s best interest to have the sub come back safely, so…
Honestly, at that depth and all the pressures involved, difficulty of even doing a rescue, etc. the second I first heard the report that the sub was missing I was immediately like "They're already dead."
They’re not real. This sounds like high school fan fiction to be honest, it’s inconsistent with transcripts we have from documentary recordings ( we know how Stockton communicates to surface)
for me it's the thought of sliding into death like it's a slipper. one second they're aware of their surroundings and the situation, and not even a millisecond later; nothing. sure, they didn't experience any pain but it's such a weird thought. no more different than going to sleep, but one they'll never wake up from.
well, all except the kid who was dragged kicking and screaming (literally) into his own tomb. He knew that this would be a horrible idea, yet just like always, nobody listened to the criticisms or analysis. If it wasn't for that innocent kid being taken with the crew, i'd have said good riddance to the lot of em. Sadly though, idiots always know the best ways to make those around them suffer for their ignorance.
I'm sure everyone on board was terrified in their last moments hearing the obvious sounds of the carbon fiber hull cracking knowing they were all doomed.
these scripts already gave me goosebumps and it disturbs me imagine how those passengers felt during their time inside that sub, the cracking sounds, the panicking inside, the struggle to ascend, that terrified kid who doesnt want to go, and then suddenly lights out...brutal but a quick death...
@Ryan-qm3rm it wasn’t a false rumor his aunt said the opposite of what his mom said, either or could be true. The loss of life is sad though may he rest in peace
what i still find weird is that their death was instant, like no pain, just lights out. instantly, and its literally like you closing your eyes right now.
As sad as it is it is a pure example of physics. One second youre here exhisting on this earth and within miliseconds you cease yo exhist and are nothing more than particles in the ocean. Reduced to mere atoms.
What's crazy is, I'm fairly certain the Titan sub made dives before and somehow didn't break, so the fact that something so shitty like this was able to happen multiple times is crazy
those final minutes prior to the implosion had to so gut wrenching. knowing something is going wrong and there isn't a single thing you can do about it other than cling to hope. at least the moment of death itself was instantaneous.
I feel most bad for the wife of the father and son that passed. She was supposed to go on the trip 2 years ago (i believe the article said) with her husband, but covid delayed it. Their son became old enough so he went instead. She probably feels terrible, I know I would. I feel bad for everyone involved, i just feel the most sympathy for her.
1:55 This is where it happened. Their death must have been instant and painless, but I start to think that they must have figured out something was terribly wrong because they reported cracking sounds.
The 19 year old, breaks my heart. The adults, eyes wide open, knew what they were doing, proceeded anyway. But the 19 year old is never on this without his dad's input. As a father of 4 young men this one really hits me, I cried for this young man I never knew.
I feel bad for the kid but have absolutely zero sympathy for the CEO. He wasn't an innovator, he was a cheap liar. I hope the company gets sued to hell and sinks.
It gets me even worse because he was genuinely terrified and didn’t want to go according to one of his family members but was pressured into it to make his dad proud...
This is truly terrifying. They dropped the ballast and the frame and still could only ascend very slowly. That means they were probably taking on more weight somewhere in the form of water entering the hull under enormous pressure. If so the hull was already compromised. Death was only seconds away at that point.
@@leolen8029 My guess is that the ballast didn't drop as intended. Likely only lost a portion of it, and the system failed afterwards. They mentioned multiple attempts at disconnecting the frame, so it's likely there were other failures as well.
It's spine-chilling !! So technically the implosion may have happened at around 09:46:37 (about 1h 45) into the dive, however, the trouble started at around 09:28. So, 18 mnts of trouble-shooting and uncertainty......Gosh that's hard to imagine !! 😢😢
"Gosh! Maybe we made a mistake getting into a sub held together with glue. How could I have been so stupid?!" In the words of Mr. Miyagi - "Squish, just like grape."
Holy f*** that's so creepy, is like... everything is going wrong and any attempts to reach the surface again are in vain... and then the silence, the spine-chilling silence...
I'm late to comment but from a dissection by someone that knows about submersibles A) They were descending too fast B) They weren't communicating back enough info to the top, CEO thought it was annoying to do so C) They couldn't ascend because sea water was rushing in where sea water has no business being in D) As soon as the cracking started, their fate was sealed, they died in about 1 milisecond and couldn't even register what happened
the cracks started and ended before they died, not saying its not related to the final implosion, but that the cracks you are refering to were not the exact cause of the implosion.
The sub would have survived if the entire hull was made out of titanium which would have cost much but much more than the lives of those onboard. Another thing is they should have cancelled the hole thing the moment RTM sign went red and alert. Recovery and aborting of the mission at that point could have possibly saved them.
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 few layers of reinforced glass with the minimum opening so that the pressure on the surface area is equally compensated also if that hinters the sight multiple cameras all round could be used.
One of the prime reasons regulations like OSHA exist yet people still treat it as some joke until tragedy strikes. Humanity being the best competitor at the darwin awards as always.
Too many people to blame. But Rest their souls. I don’t understand why there was so many warnings and yet this sub WAS STILL continuing to operate despite how dangerous it was.
My favorite photo to come out of this was the side by side comparison of James Cameron's submersible, which is crammed wall to wall with technical equipment, versus the Oceangate submersible which is an empty tube with an Xbox controller.
Watching this at quarter past 2 in the morning 💀 seriously tho at least they werent terrifyed for hours and their transition was quick, rest in peace, may safety be the top top priority for any such vessels from now on!
"You guys what's that sound?" Rush: "that's just the sub adjusting to the pressure" "Why are all those lights red?" Rush: "Oh, they do that sometimes."
I guess that he had such a ghoulish love for the Titanic wreck that he became part of it. Sad - and even more tragic is that he took four unwitting souls with him…
Some people keep implying that because it was an instant (and painless) death then the passengers were blissfully unaware of their impending doom. Maybe. But a lot of articles on the subject indicate there were sensors in the hull meant to give warning, that the ballast and landing frame had been jettisoned suggesting they urgently wanted to surface, a supposed transcript of the final communications in which the crew reported problems has been passed around, and it seems reasonable that unexpectedly loud cracking due to the upcoming implosion and pressure would have given everyone on board reason to think they were in extreme danger. No one can say for sure what happened as no one on board survived. OceanGate cannot be trusted to accurately report on their mistakes and they apparently declined to immediately admit that there was a problem ... they delayed. The Coast Guard may choose not to pass along information that will not contribute to a positive outcome and only upset the families. I do think a reasonable deduction (taking known facts and reasonable assumptions given those facts and then deriving a conclusion using known laws related to said facts) involves the idea that they knew they were in serious trouble. Damn. 😔
Yeah I think basically they knew death was coming but it happened so fast they didn’t even have time to process it. One second crackling noises and alarms and the next second darkness. At least it was painless but damn what a way to go. Several minutes of pure terror and then nothing.
They were descending too fast because they were too heavy, as evidenced by the fact that dropping their ballast did not cause the vessel to rise as it should have. Even after dropping the frame, it was still rising too slowly. Combine this with the use of carbon fibre and you have a recipe for disaster.
My take is Rush pushed for a fast descent to maximize time at the Titanic. If they can only be under for a set number of hours, why waste more of it with the trip down. Then he could also brag about how his "innovative" design allows passengers more time at depth.
People are like "so glad it was instant, they never knew". Lmao. They were in panic mode for 20 minutes at least before contact was lost. Mounting panic as they struggle to try to ascend. It was hell in that sub, trust me. Trapped at the bottom of the ocean, hearing the hull crackling...
The only silver lining to this entire situation was it happened so quickly that they were dead before their brains could even register something was happening
This transcript was proven fake. Yes they could send messages but this was shown to be a fake transcript posted by someone on Tik Tok and everyone ran with it
“reading red on the A-power bus. I switched to B. At 3457m more sound aft” 9:46:37 the last ever message from the sub which will send a chilling effect down everyone’s spine above them…
I’ve heard that (what I guess is) stock background music/sound in dozens of these videos now and it’s still as creepy as the first time I heard it. It only adds to the real life dire and unfortunate situation that this crew found themselves in. The ocean is a demonic place.
This whole tragedy is a cautionary tale for people to listen to their instincts and speak up at the first sign of trouble. Even before the trip in the titan, why weren’t there bells going off when Rush was showing everyone the kiddie gadgets he was using to run the sub? He was playing toy ship instead of properly handling a sub and it got himself and four others killed because of the negligence.
It's also a cautionary tale for people to ditch a progressive mindset when people's lives are on the line. Rush fired experienced Navy safety officers because they were "old white dudes" and weren't "inspiring" enough. Rush intentionally ignored legitimate safety concerns due to who was saying it and that negligence resulted in innocent people dying.
CEO knew the risks of this happening… im just thinking he was doing this on purpose, 4 specific people were invited and yet the CEO took them down with him :(
If the RTM actually worked and they heard crackling, that hull was WAY more stable than I thought. I was under the impression any crack would instantly destroy the hull.
@@SharplyDressedPlagueDoctor You think people dying is funny? There was a 19 year old who was scared to death to go on it but he went on it for his father. Basically your saying death is funny.
its always when "lets name this thing something exotic because this will 100% reach the bottom and see the titanic, and come back with no issue, im sure titan is a good name as it is very sturdy and very high quality and will NOT fail" *it fails*
Ironically just days after the implosion they found a mysterious recording that was coming from the titanic. I listened to it and I kid you not a voice on the recording said “now get out of our house” I think the ghosts of the titanic sunk the sub. That place is cursed.
They descended way too fast more than what the sub was rated for. As an engineer it makes me really mad facts were completely disregarded. Most illogical
as an enginner everyone would expect you to learn before speaking... you're given some details by a suspect source yet suddenly you're the resident expert spokesperson... hardly an engineers mentality or even the behavior of someone with common sense. Others, wait for all teh details before spouting off as though you're fully briefed
You are an engineer, but you believe these obviously fake messages? Fucking hell, we're doomed. The descend rate, depth, timing - none of it matches with what the investigation found, nor with how the sub worked. This is just an overdramatized piece of fiction and it makes me mad that a common person is too dumb to see it.
No they didn't. The composite hull fails in a J-curve, unlike steel or other metals. The hull was slowly losing pressure as delamination began, meaning their ascent began slowing inverse to the hull pressure dropping. It's basic physics. They were ascending too slowly for that reason and that ultimately sealed their fate as the carbon fibre hull failed under the pressure. Had they managed to get nearer to the surface with far less pressure, the hull might have remained intact, but it was a continued loop of further hull delamination > hull pressure dropping > ascent slowing ever more. They were doomed as soon as the first fibres of that hull started failing. Ultimately, unless it's unmanned, submersibles should not be made out of composite materials that have unpredictable failure points.
I had a dream being in a submarine because it is the final task on becoming certified marine biologist with a professional and 1 random person, when we went deeper into where implosion is predicable, the lights came out, everyone went quiet. I was ready to be imploded and said my last words. Then out of no where lights came back. Scariest dream and I am hesitant about being ina sub in the future, unless there's a right time for it.
there was one video where the late CEO said that they "would hear noises LONG before there was a problem".....well, they likely were leaking water but at that depth that was a death sentence. When the sub imploded, the force was stronger (and faster) than if they had 30kg of TNT go off in front of their face. They all died so fast that the would never have seen or felt anything. I suppose that would be "better" than freezing to death in the depths or suffocating on the surface since the sub had to be opened from the outside and they had no way to exit themselves.
