to be fair, we also wondered how Hoyo was gonna make Furina stronger than Xingqiu and Yelan, and turns out it's by making her fill out an entirely different niche, so it could be done
@@readmuvluv I mean xingqiu is only a sub DPS but Bennet is a buffer and healer and xianling is a sub DPS with no ICD on vape rxn so if they make pyro archon stronger then both of these(Which they will) then she automatically becomes a must pull
when Xingqiu is both in Starglitter shop and Lantern Rite, i don't think it's unrealistic to say that every account will eventually get a C6 Xingqiu. and if they keep making Abyss floors with elemental checks like the one we just got, i don't think i'll be benching him any time soon.
I've been a XQ defender, but lately I struggle to find use for him or Yelan on my teams. Most Fontaine on-fielders don't want xq/yelan on their best teams. If you're playing pre-4.0 on-fielders or slightly worse teams he works, but anyone except Navia would easily prefer other options.
@@Kmn483Simple, a beginner doesn't have Yelan, she reruns extremely rarely and is a side grade to XQ. End game accounts that don't have 5 star restrictions obviously start using less 4* units.
@@planetary-rendez-vous This isn't a beginner tier list. If it were, Barbara and Noelle would be on here. Razor would be a likely candidate as well. You spend very little time as a beginner, compared to any other period as a genshin player. Also, I was grouping xq with yelan since they're both pretty interchangeable. I'm considering XQ's placement as if he were himself or yelan, rather than fighting for a spot in the meta against her. The real competition comes from Furina, which will rerun yearly and every play should get before they try to 36-star the abyss. Because of Furina, XQ or Yelan both lose a spot on many teams.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Xinqiu doesn’t reach his max potential till C6 and that con is what’s being considered in this video. It would be much more reasonable to assume a beginner has a C0 Yelan than a C6 XQ especially considering Yelan is still one of the most owned 5 stars
Genshin did this on purpose I'm sure of it lmao Not only that he's unlucky but brining him to abyss is no less than a bringing a lucky charm, and he's most unluckiest lucky person ever, he encounteres deaths but always comes out alive and bro was found in like literal land of dead its crazy how did he even survive. I hope Genshin makes explores his story soon along with the Witches.
Sucrose being below Faruzan whos only real role is anemo hyper carry is straight up criminal dude. Dont even get me started on Xingqiu being lower than Xiangling, Kuki and Fischl man. Xingqiu and Sucrose have way more utillity and overall things to offer than Faruzan who only realistically buffs 2 characters, Kuki who is amazing in hyperbloom but terrible everywhere else, Xiangling and Fischl who at the end of the day, is only real purposes is damage. And yes, Chevruse is amazing, but number 1? No. Just no.
I would have turned the Xingqiu argument around: He is the reason why I still haven't pulled for Yelan (she's simply one of the chars I like the least, don't come for me) and for a 4star being so good that you don't really need to pull for one of the best 5stars in the game is just on a level of it's own. Also, I somewhat see the negative point "you need him C6" as irrelevant, because some made it into this list despite the C6 being so important (Gaming, Faruzan...) and they are by far not as versatile when it comes to team building as Xingqiu. So, imo he's still in a higher position than Kuki and Chevreuse. And I say that despite having the latter built+C6 and Kuki being my fav girl in Genshin.
Yes I agreed with you, but he is actually more versatile then chevreuse but saying he is better then chevreuse is not valid, just think chevreuse can remove kazuha lev cherecter at Pyro electro team which is a huge thing, and at c6 she is crazy Yes I agreed with you that xingqiu is a broken character but at this point of the game many characters outshine him, but still I think he is better than kuki
I totally agree with you. I had xingqiu since the early game. He's so good that he never left my team till I got Furina. I still use her with Arlechino and Neuv when on co-op for interruption resistance. He and Hu Tao carried me for a long time and he was at c0 for a long time. Personally, I think he's the best 4 star.
I'm not planning to pull for yelan either, she has such a crusty personality in the story. always running off and super cold, no emotion, very boring. everyone says her and xingqiu are practically interchangeable in team comps so why would I want her
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Bennett. I try to play Chevreuse, my Bennett buffs more damage. I try to play Sucrose, my Bennett buffs more damage. I try to play Furina, my Bennett buffs more damage without losing HP. I want to play Diluc, his best team has Bennett. I want to play Wriothesley, his best team has Bennett. I want to play Raiden, Childe, they both want Bennett. Even Ayaka's best boss team needs Bennett. He grabs me by the throat. I fish for him. I cook for him. I give him the pipe. He isn't satisfied. I pull for Favonius Sword. "I don't need this much ER" He tells me. "Give me more base attack." He grabs Paimon and forces me to throw her into the enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can buff more damage with Mistsplitter." I can't pull for Mistsplitter, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs his backpack. He says "BROKEN DA BROKEN!" There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, 2s CD skill and 1000 attack buff circle impact. What a cruel world.
FUCK YEAH Chevreuse in first place! A lot of people forget she is straight up the best buffer in the game. She gives almost as much damage% as Furina, the second highest attack buff, a 40% res shred on two elements, and has good healing AS WELL AS being able to deal damage at the same time. I only wish her skills scaled on HP because then, my god, she’d be broken OP.
I actually think Faruzan is the best buffer in the game, Chevreuse is a very close second. Mostly because Faruzans buffs are unconditional and last 22s, plus her buffs are instantaneous, team wide, and no team restrictions. Her buff also don't depend on her stats, so she even can use lvl 0 4 star artifacts as long as you can get to 200% ER 38.9 Dmg% + 30% Res shred + 40% crit dmg + 20% Atk(tenacity set) + off field persistent grouping that frequently staggers enemies is hard to beat.
Exactly he literally the only 4 star hydro that actually good the others are…. Barbruh very replaceable;candace niche;and let pretend hydro traveler doesn’t exist….
He's a bit biased by the Fontaine releases, but if you consider them then it's fair. Look at the units we got in Fontaine and you'll see most of them don't want Fischl or XQ on their best teams. Fischl is wanted on Chlorinde & Arle (the later only because of Chev), while XQ is wanted on Navia. That's about it. Sumeru on the other hand was THRIVING off both, with Fischl being on any spread/aggravate team, and XQ (or yelan) being needed for hyperbloom at the time. But that was a year ago, and Fontaine has introduced powercreep. Sumeru teams are still fine, but by no means dominating like they did before.
@Kmn483 they literally are any worse. Fischl can be used in nearly any team as battery and xingqiu hydro ap + dmg redction with interruption resistance is still top. And yet kuki with her only team being hyperbloom is in top 3.
@MO-zk8qs i can say the same thing about every character and thats just because we have more options than 1/2 years ago. You can throw xingqiu with fischl anywhere as long as you use normal attacks. There is not many teams where you are not doing this.
The recent Imaginarium cycle showed how expendable Kuki and Faruzan are. Yes, in ideal situation they are pretty useful, but the moment they step outside their niche their value drops off hard. Whereas Bennett/Xiangling and Beidou/Fischl were like holy water being hoarded for the key battles.
I don't really understand putting neuvillette in the compression with Xingqiu because unlike yelan and furina neuvillette is just do damage characters and his best teams are the teams that maximize his own damage output instead of his hydro application he might as well be a geo character in that regard
Xinqiu has damage reduction, can deal high damage off field, can generate a lot of particles, super armor, interuption resistance, damage buff, heal, and the most consistent hydro off field applicator in the game (even better than yelan) and you put him in number 5....
-Dmg reduction is useless if u already can survive without it. It only adds a extra layer of comfort but the abyss is dps check not a comfort check - can deal good off field dmg. Not high. "High" would be something Furina,Yelan,Xiangling or Emilie level of dmg. -"dmg buff" Only for other hydro units. This can be useful on a double hydro team with furina or yelan (but yelan + furina is way more broken than that) but otherwise its almost useless since u dont pair him with hydro dps units. -super armor and interput resistance is basically the same thing and XQ dosnt give full interrupt resist. In hutao teams, the interrupt resist he gives is almost equal to a shield cuz hutao has her own interrupt resist and it stacks. -"heal" Be for real here. He dosnt heal. A 6k heal per 20s is not it. Pretty sure even prototype amber is a better "healer" than XQ. - "most consistent hydro app in the game" Sure, he has the fastest off field hydro in the game but it dosnt matter since none of the teams need that much hydro app. All the vape carries can vape consistently with Yelan and/or Furinas hydro app. All the best hyperbloom teams (alhaitham quickbloom and cyno quickbloom) uses Furina and Yelan cuz XQ butchers the quicken uptime. Nilou teams are the only team where it really cares about XQs hydro app but even then C6 Candace is better cuz of the AoE hydro app and kokomi is better than both. XQ is good no doubt but we are at a point where being good at many but best at nothing is less valuable than before and the hydro off fielder role is heavily competitive with Yelan and Furina being better in almost every situation.
He's biased by the Fontaine teams... which really don't want XQ for their best teams. Only Navia wants XQ (or yelan). Every other new on-fielder would rather have other units. If you're still mostly rocking Sumeru or before on-fielders, than yeah XQ is great. But otherwise, he's really not as important anymore.
@@deltaspecies1697in some teams xinqiu do the difference, kazutao, bloom and hyperbloom, in some tasers, xinqiu stays giving a lot of things in one character, and belive or not, the hyper armor, heal, and dmg resistance makes the difference in teams without healers
@@lemni_s For VV vape, u can play with Yelan. You will still get vapes on ur CAs even with Yelan. Bloom doesn't use XQ over kokomi or Candace, but yea, nilou bloom is pretty much the only team that cares about the hydro app, as i mentioned in the og comment Hyperbloom doesn't care either. Why ? Cuz the best hyperbloom teams are Alhaitham quickbloom and Cyno quickbloom Bloom, and both of them prefer Yelan / Furina over XQ. If u want to go for double hydro hyperbloom with nahida as the driver, Yelan + Furina are the best hydro units for that team. Pretty much every single team these days uses a healer or a shielder. Tasers' best team version is with furina, and that team uses a healer. There are essentially 0 teams in the meta that don't use a healer these days.
@@Kmn483 Considering that the vast majority of characters are pre-Fontaine, I'd say Xingqiu is still hella damn relevant. Also, Gaming and Xingqiu are inseparable combat besties. Technically Gaming was released during the Fontaine era. Hence, XQ is still very relevant and probably always will be.
For xingqiu value, just use him against copelius without shield, then swap him for yelan or furina, you will instantly feel the difference, also his hydro application is just the best, I have all of neuvi, furina and yelan but i still use him on double hydro hyperbloom on one half and neuvi hypercarry on the other
I've been a XQ defender, but lately I struggle to find use for him or Yelan on my teams. Most Fontaine on-fielders don't want xq/yelan on their best teams. Arleccino & Chlorinde would rather Chevruse; Wrio wants melt; Lyney wants shield, swirl, chev or furina; Only Navia really wants xq/yelan... and it's debatable if they're needed on her best teams with furina, xianyun, bennett, xl, chiori, & zhongli crowding out her slots. XQ/Yelan is usually now a 3rd option rather than 1st. So if you're playing 4.0+ characters... XQ just isn't worth it.
His one weakness is that he's very replacable. If we take these characters in a vaccum, Xingqiu would be the best one. But that's not how grading these characters work. Opportunity cost is a very real thing.
@@D4C_267I understand where your coming from, but she does do more DMG, and you can also use them together, or use one on each side. IDK from my perspective and if I had the opportunity to pull a 2nd Kazuha I would.
im really tired of content creators doing this thing where they have to make content/ranks/whatever and try to pretend like new niche units outdo old ones. xingqiu, benny, fischl, etc have literally handicapped the game from being so good, the only way they could think to get around them is with another version (yelan to xingqiu) or creating things so specific they can't fill (fischl not being able to target bloom seeds with oz) most new characters are not beating them. i think it also gets into, this sorts of videos never consider that the reason these characters are so good isn't just because of their kits. its also the fact that they are easy to obtain, upgrade, and gear out and that they do so well while being unrestricted. faruzan and chevy are not benny/xingqiu level, because of the nicheness, requirements to function, etc
What I learned from this video: My teambuilding is heavily restricted by the fact that there's no way to guarantee key constellations for tons of 4*, meanwhile I can guarantee the 5* parts of a team.
Thissss 😩 everybody talks about lantern rite and starglitter as if that’s gonna somehow get all of my 4*’s to C6 lol. It always feels irrelevant to talk about c6 4*’s to me. Like, of course they’re usually super strong. They’re a massive investment to acquire. I’m more interested in who’s really strong below c3.
@@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato Even the ones from the starglitter shop take an eternity if it's a high con you need. Let's say 5* only reran once a year, in that time you can only guarantee two copies, 3 if they're from Liyue and you need 7 for some.
For me Xingqiu being "comparable" to other viable 5-star equivalents brings his value up, not down. This allows players to get the units they actually need, at least for the beginning portion of account progression. Looking back at 4.0, I chose Lynney over Yelan, skipped Neuvilette to save for Furina, then afterwards I had enough currency leftover to get Navia (my favorite character that I was originally going to skip). Sure it's anecdotal, but you don't get bonus rewards for speedrunning Abyss either, not to mention player skill differences, etc. His "constellation issue" is also overexaggerated because he's in the starglitter shop. I'm biased towards waterboy, but I do think my account would be in much worse shape if he wasn't a viable stand-in for these units.
All you need: Xingqui, Bennett, Xiangling, Fischl, Kuki. All are basically 5 stars. Add on Yao Yao for elemental reactions and healing, along with Sucrose for EM buffing and swirls, and you’ve got a great base of 4 stars. Rosaria is also great value. Every other 4 star is just a cherry on top, and not really necessary for an account. I say this as someone who has played all of them.
@@4ny3ody You're right. At least four of them rotate on the shop every few months, so it's at least feasible that everyone can eventually collect their cons. Kuki's the only one people would have to pull for. I still think all of them are great at C0, except Bennett who needs C1. I stand by my comment that they're up there with 5 stars once they're at C6.
@@K-Ville Most people are not saving up starglitter to buy cons from the shop. They use their starglitter on wishes so they have more chances to pull for characters they want.
@@bookswithike3256 Then that's their mistake. Better to save up for a guaranteed constellation for an OP 4 Star (unless their pity is super close for a busted 5 star like Furina or Neuvilette).
Putting chevruse and kuki higher than xq is super weird take. Kuki have only one good team - hyperbloom, when xq can be used in many meta teams like hyperbloom, vape, mono hydro and more. Bennet and xq are tier above over other 4star units. Btw c6 xq > yelan c0
Kuki only has one good team, yes. But that team is very busted, you could clear the game. You only need what? C0-C2, EM, HB teammates. You could argue that XQ has the better kit, but he needs more investment than Kuki does. What does XQ need? R5 gacha sword(Sacrificial), 200%
@@jetherjohnsim8748xingqiu can use the emblem domain which you probably already have since many burst sub dps and raiden use it. And xingqiu doesnt even require emblem. Big chance is, you already have some 2 piece combinations that xingqiu can use. The investment isnt even that bad. For a long time, i didnt even use sacrificial and r5 isnt even required since his skill hits twice. If you have lost 50/50 to furina(like me) and dont have yelan(i have her but it doesnt matter rn) xingqiu is the only reliable hydro. And xiangling and fischl also need investment and a lot more investment since their main purpose is dmg(and xiangling pretty much requiring bennett to snapshot his atk buff and give her energy) while xingqiu can offer interruption resistance, little healing, and ton of hydro application and decent dmg.Also, hyperbloom team wont even be possible without furina, yelan or kokomi which are all 5 star characters locked behind gacha system
@catchanka667 almost every character needs someone to function. Are we forgetting the fact that this game is about team building and elemental reactions?
@luffy458 Fischl is way better for aggravate tho, her sub dps ceiling especially with Nahida is high af and r5 stringless makes her an aggravate monster
@@imtransfemmadoka Hyperbloom is still the stronger reaction though. I agree, Fischl makes aggravate great, but hyperbloom is just more important to consider. Especially with Furina in the mix now.
@@Kmn483 no such thing as a "better reaction". hyperbloom is more f2p friendly but falls off hard after you get a decent set with 1k EM for kuki and a c0 nahida. aggravate has a very high ceiling of investment bc every constellation, weapon or artifact improvement you get will increase your DPS way more than getting a piece with 2 more rolls in EM for hyperbloom.
I'm pleasantly surprised. People are usually deadset on National being the best 4 stars, but its really just not the case anymore. Kuki being at C0 with +0% ER single-handedly enables without a doubt the strongest reaction in the game. Even a new player can abuse it in early game with the free 4 stars, and she stays BiS even into late game. Tbh, I'd also put her above Chevreuse, but she's also somewhat similar in the single-handed enabling of strong comps at all investment levels. National is really strong, but vape isn't the uncontested best reaction anymore and those units also require expensive investment before they become good (except for Bennet, he still arguably deserves at least a top 3 spot).
I agree and don't, Kuki is the strongest most T0 C0 character in the game until you start finally getting great artifacts for whole teams of characters, then she is simply good, id put like 5th in top 5, but im fine with his placement of her because older players like myself with developed accounts don't need Jellos opinions, newer ones do and for that its really important and poignant. This lies is complete contrast with how he places Chevreuse but its his personal list, and Chevreuse atm does infact get under valued simply because no one has her at C6 let alone gets to experiment with her, so i think hes trying to be ahead of the curve so people know YES she is a big deal, even if others may argue he is overselling it
I don’t think Bennett is THAT cringe to play. The magu kenki with Bennett is pretty cringe though. That MF is allergic to bennetts circle lmao. I just got Benny C6 this morning. Can’t wait for Xianyun rerun to try out the new team archetypes I’ll be able to run once I have her.
idk why you're mentioning neuvilette and furina while talking about xingqiu, being hydro is the only thing they have in common. furina cant apply enough hydro fro consistent vapes unless you're plunging and even then its iffy. he should only be compared to yelan and i think everyone overestimates yelan coz of her passive, that's quite unfortunate
Yeah people really try to say that xingqui is overrated when he's one of the best unit in the game overall. Comparing furina, yelan, and neuvillete to xingqui is just solidifying the fact that he's busted
Only having one team is sadly no argument when said team is busted. I'd rather have Kuki or Childe who are only good in one team that's at least super busted than Cyno or Wriothesley who have 20+ different teams that all are equally trash
As soon as you said Fischl #4 I was like... wait a minute... there's not enough spots left above. Thought for sure you forgot either Kuki or Chevreuse but when I saw her at #1 I was like oh, "Benny's a 6 star" coming right up 😂 I think I agree with your placements, the way you explained it. The only thing I would add is that Kuki actually has 100% uptime at c2+ but it requires her to be able to swap in every 15 sec. That's usually not a problem in pure hyperbloom teams but can sometimes be an issue in Alhaitham quick bloom and a few others.
Same here! I knew he'd have Chevreuse and Kuki up there with the power 5, and was squinting at the last few placements when I realized he had to be either leaving someone out or doing something like a tie for first place.
I only have 2 hydro characters built and leveled... Furina and Xingqiu. Only way I could beat the pyro lectors in the current and last spiral abyss floor 12 was by doing a team consisting of Furina, Kazuha, Xingqiu, and an on-field Yaoyao... :skull: Furina EQ, Kazuha EQ, Xingqiu EQ, Yaoyao EQ, then run around doing normal attacks while the blooms do their thing. Rinse and repeat. By no means did I 3-star floor 12, but a win is a win lol. Yaoyao is great
My personal: 1. Bennett 2. Xiangling 3. Xingqiu 4. Kuki And honestly I don't tend to use anyone else of 4* that much, maybe occasionally Beidou & Fischl and Kaeya.
Furina being uswd over xingqiu is fair, but if i use yelan, then its usually with xingqiu, maybe im too 4 star brained, but i like xingqiu much more than yelan, i feel like getting yelans ult up is more of a hassle than sac sword xingqiu if its solo hydro. (Also as a xiao/xiangling main, having sucrose below faeuzan feels like a crime)
Ranking 4 stars based on their value against 5 star counterparts is nuts. 😂 When you rank things, you compare them to each other, not some outside factor. "Ooh, Rosaria doesn't have Ayaka's damage. Number 16." Like tf? Having a better 5-star counterpart doesn't mean the 4-stars behind suddenly becomes better too. That doesn't make a single sense.
I would also give credit to the 3 shielders as well. Thoma, Layla, and Diona. Thoma honestly is like Kuki but just unlucky that Hyperbloom is better than Burgeon, Layla is your budget Zhongli if Thoma isn't build to be a shielder, and Diona which she offers all your defensive needs like Healing and Shielding.
this. i like her as a character but ppl overestimate Xiangling's place as a meta character too much. not only she needs C4 but also 100% want to be played with Bennett as well, the moment u just replace Bennett with any other character she's just a bad character - the same can't be said about other Pyro dpses, or even all other dpses in general.
the only issue i have with this whole list is i think Layla should be on this list. as someone who doesn't have zhongli, she's utterly invaluable in a lot of teams. and her c6 makes her dps and cryo application solid (or at least not embarrassing) and combined with her low ER requirements and her silly strong shield just make her the copium zhongli. Would i use her anywhere near as much if i had daddy geo? nope. but lacking him there really is no better alternative when you need a shield. is she better all round then kirara or yaoyao? meh... again i think it all depends on daddy geo. if you have him i doubt layla gets a lot of playtime. if you don't layla becomes one of the more useful 4* you'll have.
Disagree. Layla shouldn’t be on this list at all. Shielders in general have fallen off immensely. Zhongli is an exception because of the resistance shred he gives and the fact that he can hold 4p archaic petra. I can’t really think of any team other than maybe freeze Ganyu or Yoimiya variants where Layla would be the first choice 4-star option. And that’s solely for the interruption resistance. Most teams these days run healers anyway. Also the fact that she competes with Diona who also offers shielding, with a little healing and is a better battery.
Xingqiu is an interesting case for me. For f2p he is hands down the most useful 4 star to have built. Once you get Furina and Yelan, you stop finding reasons to use him, so he doesn’t seem like a must build anymore.
The mad disrespect to Layla though, putting Kirara above her. Sure Dendro is a better element than cryo is at the moment. But her off field cry is really good, and her ER requirement is pretty low. She also combos REALLY well wth some of the top 4 stars Xinqui/Bennet/Xianging/Fishl. Don't sleep on the sleepy girl Jello ;)
Prediction 1) XingQiu 2) Bennet 3) Chevreuse 4) XingLing 5) Kuki Shinobou 6) Ficshl/Fischl?? 7) Charlotte 8) Sucrose 9) Layla 10) Beidou 11) maybe Noelle , no one else is coming to the mind rn
I wouldve put thoma over charlotte tbh, hes the best burgeon chara, rlly good with chlorinde overloaded and burn melt wriothesley and our best pyro defensive option, even over bennett imo since he has the downside of applying pyro to you
I have 17 4 stars build and those are basicaly the list above + Noelle (early main dps), Beidou (under right circumstances certainly contender for the list), Thoma (great shield option with addition of burgeon trigger), Layla (probably best shield outside of Zhongli) and Lynette (don't ask, cat ears is reason enough, she's solid but I definitely wouldn't put her on a list or consider building for her performance pre c6 where you can use her as dps). I plan to build Rosaria and consider Kujou Sara and Gorou to enable their mono teams. Most other units are servicable but honestly it's hard to recomend with how hard it is to farm everything for properly build unit. PS. Lame to make rules just to break them. It's top 12 so name it that way.
I can see Jello still hasn't built his Noelle with her not being on the list. It's looking like she's going to get another buff from natlan with Xilonen being rumoured to be a geo/general support and the 5.0 set essentially being a better archaic petra that works on geos. Shes already strong on top of having some of the best survivability so the upcoming potential buffs are just crazy. Hopefully by then Jello builds up his Noelle.
There are a few characters that could be on this list as well like rosaria, Layla and heizou. I still think this list is probably correct and Noelle doesn't provide as much value as the above. Her cool down is terrible as a shielder and needs a very specific team to work somewhat well as a dps. She is also so extremely c6 dependent and requires either redhorn or serpent spine. She isn't on the same level as a gaming dps since gaming does more damage as a peak and is more flexible with weapons. This is not to say that Noelle is bad but she requires very high level of investment to allow her to be on the same tier as the above characters (any character in the game with enough investment can be good).
Noelle Furina is extremely overhyped. She's essentially a geo downgrade to to Gaming, and as we know on-fielder is very pricey role. Noelle doesn't offer much more than shielding, while sacrificing better element and access to better supports
@@Kokichus 63k DPS on a aoe level is nothing to downplay. Mind you she sheets out 74K ST dps on a with Furina Yelan Kazuha. You're clearly unaware of this and just talking out your ass. Navia Dps sheets out to about 61k on her best teams according to TGS own calcs so you do the math.
@@kingdoom5022No, absolutely not. You have no arguments for this statement either. He's 95% of the time the best in slot for the role he fulfills and it's probably one of if not THE most important one in the game
@@kingdoom5022kuki is only good in hyperbloom and optional is spread and aggravate where as xinqui can be used in so many teams and having the best hydro application in the game
funny story i started playing during yelan's first banner: got c2 xingqiu, no yelan stopped playing returned only last december: got c3 xingqiu on march (gitter shop) lantern rite: got c4 xingqiu neuvilette/kazuha banner: got c5 xingqiu , no kazuha no neuvilette furina's banner: 130 pulls still no furina but randomly got xingqiu on standard banner at this point its not my fault why i only have xingqiu and no yelan, no neuvilette, no furina
"The amount of wishes it will take to get a C6 Xingqiu..." Don't forget: 1) Xingqiu has been available since Launch, and because the roster of characters was much smaller, lots of players have him at high constellations; 2) Xingqiu is, has been, and will continue to be available through the Shop twice per year; 3) Xingqiu is, has been, and will probably continue to be available for free through the Lantern Rite Anniversary that occurs every year; For these reasons, I believe it is actually quite a lot easier to have a high a constellation Xingqiu compared to the other random non-beginning 4*stars that have been released or will be released in the future. Finally, while his C6 is great, I believe it is not required at all for him to be one of the best units in the game. I would argue his C2 is more valuable.
Can someone explain to people that if youre f2p you have all the 4stars in the game? Im f2p I dont have Beidou,Xinqing, Fishil,Heizou or YaoYao, but somehow C1 amber. Just cuz someone is f2p doesnt mean they have all the 4 stars, it means they dont waste money on pixels.
It's not a waste if the person buying it wants it, also f2p isn't only including new players, some old players are also f2p and because majority of the players are not new and majority of the players are f2p, it's common for f2p's to have most of those 4 stars especially because half of them are in star glitter shop.
If you play for 6 months you would have at least xingqiu, benett or yao yao unless you save your wishes. Some accounts get sayu instead of yao yao for crystalfly protection. I had to save up for fischl but xiangling and lynette carried well for f2p
Genshin players assume everyone has played since 1.0 for some reason. Also they are easier to get. I have most of those characters after playing for 6 months, while f2p & not splurging fates on every banner. Only c0-3 tho
I would argue against saying that Kuki even needs any constellation in order to show 95-99% of her potential, since 3s (C2 increase to the duration of her Elemental Skill) is not even the time it takes for Bloom Cores to expire, and you can only squeeze 2 ticks during that time anyways, one of which could be replaced by the first tick of the next Skill, effectively meaning that C2 only gives Kuki a single extra Electro tick every 15 seconds.
"only requiring C2 for Kuki makes her much more accessible" me, with only just barely a C0 Kuki, while I literally have nearly every other 4-star at C6 or C5... Thing is, she only ever runs on banners with 5-stars I REALLY don't want (ex, Itto).
Good list. Xingqiu placing that low is surprising but now makes sense considering all the updates to hydro. Top 0-4 are the ones that are irreplaceable by any 5 star for their role but still meta.
I didn't like XQ's position tbh. You compared him with furina who has a completely different playstyle. Yelan vs XQ is fair but not with furina. Also he is available in shop. So getting his cons with not be much a hassle. Also you dont have much problem with Faruzan being C6 but you immediately evaluated XQ's value on the basis of cons.
He's biased by the Fontaine teams... which really don't want XQ for their best teams. Only Navia wants XQ (or yelan). Every other new on-fielder would rather have other units. If you're still mostly rocking Sumeru or before on-fielders, than yeah XQ is great. But otherwise, he's really not as important anymore. The Furina comparison is there because excluding vape, Furina can also be an off-field hydro applier instead of XQ, and usually is a significant upgrade over him because of her damage buffs. Yes, XQ provides damage & interruption resistance, but that doesn't warrant missing out on 75% team dmg bonus and stronger off-field damage. Genshin is biased towards dealing damage, as killing things faster = you taking less damage anyways.
It's so funny seeing my Abyss record where, sure Raiden always has the single big number damage. But Xiangling always has the most kills. She be preparing dinner and cooking everytime 🤣
yeah a 4 star comparable with best characters in the game, has more hydro application then all of them. Has the best element in the game works on bloom, hyperbloom, vaporize, burgeon, tazer, freeze (questionable but still works) and many other teams ( don't remember all of them). Gives damage reduction at c0, reduces hydro res at c2 and becomes even better at c6, is also very easy to build is below than a hyper bloom specific character because it is more f2p which also loves him btw and a character who need electro and pyro specifcally to work but is best at those teams, totally fair for the hydro archon in disguise ( i know jello said that the list can be altered in your own opinon )
Fun fact, I got my first xingqiu when pulling for Yelan in 3.4. I can confirm that it’s easier to get a single copy of Xingqiu than it is to get Yelan, because I had been playing for almost about 8 months at that point, won the 50/50 on Yelan and her weapon, and also a couple copies of Xingqiu. I’m also going to try and pull for c1 Yelan in a couple hours, so I’ll edit this comment to update and see how that goes. (Honestly I either want c1 or Tighnari. I don’t have Tighnari yet)
Why do you compare Xingqiu to Neuvillette ? Xingqiu is a sub dps with a high single target application and you compare him to a hydro hypercarry aoe with worse hydro application than him. Man, I garantee you Xingqiu is better than Neuvillette by a lot in a team with Arlecchino, Hu Tao, Alhaitham, ... I have Yelan C0 and Xingqui C6, I use Xingqiu more in abyss than Yelan. Her ER issue is just too bad without double hydro. But that's just me I guess.
The ER reqs between c0 Yelan and C6 XQ in most teams is about 25% assuming u use sac sword XQ and Fav yelan. So, its not that bad at all. Also, yelan can get 2 Es on some teams like Arle vape and that makes her ER reqs alot lower too
I got C1 Bennett in 5.0 banner in my first ten pull after I returned, I got very lucky, also would very much want to get kazuha as my anemo resistance shredder.
sucrose is way clunkier to use, not to mention her buffs are just overall worse than kazuhas or chevreuse. atk and dmg bonus >>>>> elemental mastery. also chevreuse has healing over time and her debuffs do not have any downtime unlike sucrose who needs to be swapped to every ~7 seconds to not lose VV uptime.
Hey #Jello, i don't know how much it will impact you, but I truly blessed by this video. I am actually on run of making my 4 stars powerful based on seeing genshin future plan for multiple character built scenario. and i was thinking which 4 Star I should built 1st.... and then you came with this video. OMG, you are awesome brother, thank you a lot.Love you.
Im disappointed you put Kuki so high (who is fully carried by dendro), while downplaying Fischl's damage, utility AND flexibility Also Faru should be higher if you wanna put Chevy and Kuki that high
i mostly agree, but i think the reason he put chev above faruzan is that she works with 2 elements meanwhile faruzan is restricted to anemo. not to mention the pyro and electro DPS are overall stronger than xiao or wanderer
@@viviniciuslol The fact that Faruzan only works with two characters could be left as is (DPS Xianyun, C6 Lynette, DPS Jean, Heizou all work great too) However, it should also be mentioned that Chevreuse only works with two specific ELEMENTS. And her only big teams are currently Raiden hyper-, Arlecchino hyper- and Clorinde hyper-carry. Most other teams have much better alternatives, especially if you don't have a Chevreuse C6, which has only been seen once in the banner. I own 3 Accounts, all AR 60 since Day one. I own Chevreuse C0 on two accounts and I can say, I play her very rarely because she is almost always a downgrade to other Team Setups. The only real exception was against the LvL 100 Tulpa in the Abyss on her release. Hydro Elemental Enemies is where she really slaps at C0.
@@rednaxela4 worth mentioning that arlecchino, raiden and clorinde are some of the top tier dps of the game. nowhere near wanderer or xiao. so it still makes sense
@@viviniciuslol honestly faruzan comps are on-par strength-wise with electro/pyro comps, considering you can add more elements than anemo to help wanderer/xiao(/heizou), whilst chevy necessitates usage of only pyro and electro, making you lose out on potential dendro, hydro (especially furina), geo and cryo buffers
idc what yall say Chevreuse is truly a queen, can be dps, can buff, can heal, what do you want more? her buffs are crazy, and they made overload as good as vape and hyperbloom, on top of that she's extremely easy to build. just upgrade her skill, give her 30k+ hp and you're set for the craziest overload buff.
Kuki is not even close to top 3, 4 stars.... she has one team type thats good, but she is not the best in it with many other variations being better. This can not he said for many other 4 stars
Arle's Angels is really my fave team to use in recent abyss. Just putting Fischl and Chev together in a team is chef's kiss. Add Beidou in, you're solved.
...I swear I remember debating this last year AND I'LL DO IT AGAIN!!! XQ IS THE BEST 4 STAR!!!!!! (I'll only except Chevy and Benny to be on par with him but XQ is just him)
My list would be xingqui, bennett, fischl, kuki, xianling, sucrose, yaoyao and beidou. I use some combination of these plus 2-4 5 stars in the abyss on a regular basis. Depends on whats there as to who sits on the bench that rotation. I would probably include faruzan and chevruse in the list...but i dont have faruzan c6 and i dont have chevruse at all so no spot for either of them until ive tried them myself. I would say honerable mentions to Thoma, Noelle and charlotte all of which i use sometimes in the abyss. Noelle is great with aggressive enemies and works well with furina. Thomas burgeon comps and interrupt resist ability make him great for aoe and the multi element shield boss that comes up in abyss. Also great for normal spammers who need inerrupt resist. Charlotte is great for quickly freezing enemies in place just long enough to do the rest of your set up so you can get neuvilettes charge attack started, then you can kite away easily once theyve unfrozen, makes shieldless c0 neuvilette more comfy to play, even with more agressive enemies.
My "Hot Take" is that if I were to make a top 10, 1-9 are all easy locks while 10 is the real debatable section. Bennett and Xingqiu are the easy Tier 0 picks. Fischl, Xingaling, Sucrose, Kuki, Cheveruse, Faruzan and Gaming are Tier 1s. Order can vary but the strength they provide to their teams is undeniable. But this makes up 9 characters. The 10th slot though? Beidou, Thoma, Yaoyao, Kirara, Charlotte, and Mika are all kind of a coin toss. You can argue Mika isn't this level but he's also a synergistic healer with Furina who can buff attack speed, so I think he's worth mentioning.
11:22 i agree with XQ competing with other hydros, but in this game you need more Hydro on both sides on the abyss usually to make teams than other elements. So unless you have only 5* hydros on both sides of the abyss, I don't see this to be a problem
