I think you're being generous when you say that MMOByte had a misunderstanding about the 'wooing' thing. I think he understands perfectly well, he just likes to create click-bait. Thank you for a perspective with more.... perspective! 💜
I think if that guy's really never heard of the word "woo", he does need to get off his computer and read a book instead of gaming or youtubing all the time MUCH more often ... And with "book", I mean something pre 1900.
So glad you addressed some of these. Especially the supposed server cap of 25. Most MMO fans should know that even the most massive of mmos use instances to prevent bottlenecking.
Seriously. Only MMO I've played that doesn't use instances/phasing is Albion Online.... and being in a town overrun with 80+ players isn't as great as some people are making it out to be.
I wish there was romance gameplay we could have with other players, like stardew sort of has. Would be cute playing with your partner and being able to
THANK YOU!!! The levels of undeserved rage I have seen on various videos have been so frustrating! I hope more creators follow your example and let people know that not all MMOs are created equally. There is still hope for gamers to find a place that is inherently different than what we've been given so far! ❤
I love the Swahili words in the game. When i signed up on the website i put my country to Kenya then i read their newsletter and im seeing "hodari", "kilima", "kenyatta", "bahari". I was like. "Wow! The personalisation is too deep in this one." Then i found out it's like that for everyone. 🤦♂️ I'm happy regardless.. can't wait. This will fix my enstranged relationship with the sims genre.
I am really hoping we see some outfits tied to character skill progression, like unlocking an outfit that is a nod to Pokemon's bug catcher for achieving a high rank with bug catching or an outfit reminiscent of the outfit worn by Robinhood and his merry men in Robinhood: Men in Tights once you achieve a high rank with hunting. A lot of fun pop culture potential.
They already have an herbalist outfit, a sneak ranger type outfit, a hunter outfit, an adventurer outfit with a big backpack & bedroll .. And, an apocathery outfit .. All on the shop of course.. I like your idea for achievements opening them too !
As a big MMO genre fan I like Palia, ngl was a bit disappointed with how non-MMO it is but ended up enjoying the game. Although what sucks about Palia is that you cant really play with your friends... sure you can mine rocks, chop trees and cook. But houses? Separate. Your friends with "editor" perms cant even work on your crafting stations or anything. So the biggest part of this game is SOLO. You really cant do that much with your friends or partner. Which is the most disappointing thing about this game to me.
on the quest find a shepp it says find an adult villager to be your shepp and since kennyatta is one of the options u can choose proves shes not underage
I agree with this, mainly because the resources are shared. So imagine needing some ore but no node is available because of the size of the server. Less is more.
Lol. What? English isn't my first language, and I know "woo" or "wooing" is basically just courtship. Some people just tries to throw spaghetti at walls and see whichever sticks or are simply stupid. 😂
While I think this game is so gamer friendly I'm a bit worried that such a generous free to play model will make the game unsustainable eventually. So I'm going to buy some premium content just because I want to see this game do well!
I agree and would buy if I had the money for the same reason. I think that's why the shop is so expensive- I think S6 is very aware of how expensive the upkeep for Palia will be and they aren't sure how many players would buy things so they're priced high. I hope they find a better balance in the future. I think more people would buy if the shop wasn't expensive - I know I can't justify $20~ on a game outfit when I just spent only slightly more on one real life pair of jeans the other week, but maybe that amount on coins that I can buy several things with I could do on occasion. But I can see why the prices are high rn. I know they're very receptive to players feedback just from being an Alpha tester for a few months before Beta so I'm fairly optimistic they will - and I'm not typically any amount of optimistic with games these days!
as someone who loves animal crossing, i'm really looking forward to this game, i'm just curious if you can also play by yourself without being in a server with other people and how that would work. i'm not really interested with being bothered mid activity by other people
@@Mattorzo83 then i really hope they have a "do not disturb" option that shows beside the name. I dislike when others come running up to try and talk to me, or "help" me do something when i just want to be left alone. In past experiences, such as back with the animal crossing new leaf open islands, I would have people come to the island that I was on, and then just run around like chickens with their heads off and constantly ask for bells or something when they see that I've played the game. Then get angry at me when I don't want to interact with them. Kinda turned me off from multi-player games
Out of all the potential misconceptions about the game, I didn't expect to see etymology in the list. Then again, it makes about as much sense as the other issues. Great video
Right? I can see it if the person played the sims and maybe English isn't their first language. But a native english who would confuse the 2 is just silly.
Not an MMO more like MO. A better way to say it is "Multiplayer Online with up to 25 players per instance with matchmaking that prioritizes friends and nearby players". The MMO community knows this difference and they look for it. Misleading is never a good idea. Hunting Creatures is PVE by the way.
It's not misleading to call it an MMO - it's that some people take this literally in a frankly very 2004 sense of the term. All the major games use instancing/sharding to create better performance for players. The thousands of players are there, but they're across shards/instances.
The only thing I don't like about this game is it feels very solo, rather than MMO. Everyone's homes are in private instances. So you can't see how differently everyone decides to design their houses and plots. With most zones being capped at 25 people, they could have easily added neighborhoods to zones where your lot gets transferred to whatever server you are currently on, or something along those lines. At least make a instanced neighborhood with 25 lots. Currently, you can only visit friends' and guild members' lots, and only when they are online, and I think you need their permission. The chat system is kinda weird too. Like you have to stop playing the game and pull it up in order to view chat. So it's not like a lot of mmo's where you see people chatting as you play the game. And there's no "area" chat, so you can't just strike up a conversation with someone that you're leveling alongside. You can only whisper them (which they probably won't see) or talk in server chat (again, they probably won't see). I hope they work these things out to make it feel more community oriented, because right now it just feels like My Time at Portia/Sandrock with other players running around.
1. I didn't see much about pay to win, I did see talk around the micro-transactions being high priced, and then in beta we saw it was true... The prices are way too high. 2. I did hear a lot of questions about this, but still to this day people are asking... 3. 25 isn't massive, but I always see people and I feel more than 25 would be too many, especially when hunting, mining and bug catching. 4. Teen could be 18/19 and she seems early twenties. 5. Sims style :D hahaha
Also by the way it's pretty obvious people are not as smart as People used to be y'all can literally be tricked into buying anything and thinking it's good This is not a game It's literally just a talking text simulator You're literally just going around talking to characters that's basically all you do This is not a game I would not call this a game at all
I'm here to clear up one of the biggest misconceptions about palia that it's alive and doing well because no it's not It's actually dead in doing bad hardly anybody's ever playing it when I get on and try to play Another misconception is that it's fun and it's not it's boring All you do is the same stupid thing over and over again Go here and talk to this person Go there and talk to that person All you freaking do is talk talk to people it's lame and it's stupid
I think it's a pitiful way to defend them claiming the game is an MMO tbh. It's a life sim game with very basic social features. MMO's are generally characterized by the social features being the main point of the game even with instancing. Which in this game, they very obviously aren't. The games that actually skirt the line are old MO games like PSO1. People need to step defending the decision to call this an MMO. It's ruining the games reputation. Just being honest and calling it multiplayer Stardew Valley will bring in a player base much more suited for this style of game. There is a reason the Diablo 4 player base desperately tries to avoid calling it an MMO even though it's essentially doing the same things. Since it's bad for perception on what the game is actually like
I deleted the game from my system over frustration that came from the mini games in several areas of play. Fishing, chopping veggies and so forth. Arthritic hands keep me from enjoying mini games, so I don't play games that stick you with them.
Sounds like to me that the studio could really use a good copy editor. Lots of concerns here that could have been addressed through a thorough copy edit before things were said publicly.
It's the double edge sword of trying to be transparent about the development process. I agree that there's a number of areas where they could have explained things better.
@@DadJokeCinema 100% agree. And when the studio is relatively new, even with a seasoned team, you’re bound to miss things because not all of the processes are in place to help work through these before going public. ie…we’re all human, studios included, good to give some new blood a bit of leeway so that we can bring more quality fun games to the market.
I disagree with your kind of... horrible take on "Fashion" not being a customization that is HUGE. Especially in a social game. Play FFXIV for 100 hours then come back to me. Regardless of that; You see your character 99.9% of the time. And so does everyone else. 99.9% of players. Wont see your house. But THEY WILL. See you.
I wasn't able to get through 10 hours of FFXIV. I did the intro stuff because my friends had a wedding in game that I attended and that was wonderful, but I tried to keep going with it and it is just not for me. I've gotten a few responses like this and maybe I needed to phrase it differently - I think character customization IS an important part of the game, especially to me, but it is only one portion of the customization game play. You make an excellent point about seeing the character and that being what other people see, while I was focusing mainly on what the gameplay loops deal with. A lot of the play outside of the NPC romance/lore stuff is towards building and customizing your house, and so I was giving it greater importance in terms of the customization play.
It's a life skills game. The game mechanics are mining, hunting, bug catching, fishing, building and designing your house, and narrative interactions and quests with the NPCs.
Thanks this is really helpful & clarified some of the things I was concerned about. We used to play lotronline so familiar with instances. Congratulations on finding your partner on the game.
Do we know what platform is palia going to be on? Like steam or epic games or is it gonna have its own seperate launcher? I would love if its on steam because of the achievements hehe
I think the sharding or instancing issue is actually hilarious. Because I also play Diablo 4, which also uses instancing and in any small zone you're instanced with up to 12 people. And in that community, you can find people who are really upset that you might run into another player at all and you can't play it "solo." Meanwhile, I see people in the Palia community upset about there only being 25 people. 😂 I also play WoW and I play GW2, and FFXIV, and ESO and LotRO, and having a cap on how many people in a zone is a good thing. Otherwise getting anything done is impossible due to lag, and lack of resources. As for the "P2W" issue. It doesn't matter that they are only going to sell cosmetic clothes. It doesn't matter if they are super clear about their intentions. The community will still get angry at the "greedy" dev team for locking anything at all behind a paywall. Let's take Disney Dreamlight Valley for example. From the very beginning, they were incredibly clear that there was going to be a "battle pass" that is paid with real money through their currency - Moonstones. They were very clear from the beginning there was going to be a cash shop to sell cosmetics. And they were very clear that at some point there would be paid additional quests and expansions. The paid founders packs came with Moonstones to start people off on the battle pass. And ever since then, people had no idea Moonstones were the real money currency, got mad when they started selling them, got mad that there are cosmetics you have to buy with money. "But I'm a 100% completionist and must own 100% of all the things, and I can't complete it if I have to pay money and they are so greedy!" I bought the 20,000 moonstone pack at the beginning in September 2022, and with those I have paid for the more expensive battle pass every time, and I've even bought the castle house cosmetic with them which is the more expensive one, and I only play 2-3 weeks out of every 3 months period, and as of yesterday I have 20,600 moonstones without buying more. So... uhm... expect the discourse on the cash shop to get much worse, is what I'm saying. Also, I want to support this game, so I understand why teams do things like a battle pass, paid cosmetics, and even paid quests or expansions from time to time. Because if they don't make money somehow, the game will fail. (Also PS, I'm super jealous because I signed up for Palia alpha when it was announced, waited all that time, and then finally got picked for the July test and it was the first time I had gone out of town on vacation in 20 years so I never got to participate. 😭) Thanks for the video!
On first Paragraph: Previous Diablo games were mostly singleplayer with optinal multiplayer IF you invite the others into your party up to 4 players, so yeah, some might dislike that they have no say in others joining their world anymore. to add to that having always online without offline mode is something not every one likes either (especially with the performance issues that come with that online connectivity in some regions) I took part in player organized events in several other MMOs that had way more than 25 Players part taking in one instance so yeah i can see the limitations but as far as i understood it the 25 players is not a hard coded thing and different zones might have different limits so one might be able to get a higher player count in a zone for such events if you cooperate with the devs in the Events organisation. On the 2nd note i just want to mention "Path of Exile" a ARPG like Diablo just on a Free to Play model with quite expensive cosmetics (and the basic skins look pretty shaby, even more so compared to the paid ones) , stashspace (affects gameplay) and for quite a while also cosmetics from lootboxes in their store and the majorty of its playerbase seem hard on to defend that ingame store and telling everybody that you do not need to buy anything to play but should support such a great game which is what the store is for. So yeah, while there will always be some complainers, there are many who are okey with it in a f2p game as long as it's not pay to win and the game outside of the shop is good enough.
@@TheAzureGhost Sure, I’ve played Diablo 3 and 4, I was just pointing out how funny it is that one community is against seeing other players while the other is disappointed at not seeing enough players. Also I know POE players defend it to the death. But in the “cozy” community it seems there is a much bigger push for “everything should be free, and if it’s not, then it’s greed.” Not only that, free but with continuous large updates. I’ve even discussed with someone else how companies need to stop aiming at growth completely and just aim to make enough to keep the doors open, like a non-profit organization. While I do agree there are cosmetic stores that go way too far, there needs to be a balance so a company can grow and compensate it’s people, but also not be too predatory.
I was getting lots of lag in Palia, even fell through the world because it took forever and a minute to load things in. I may not have a top of the line PC but there are tons of more graphically intensive games I play that ran far smoother than Palia did. Im hoping its because its Beta and they havent ironed all the kinks out yet.
I'm just kind of concerned with what activities I can do with other players. rRght now it seems like the only group activity is cutting down magic trees. Do they plan on expanding on this?
I mean, in a game where the aesthetic of your character and home is the real main goal, cash shop only items for those things is effective P2W. I’d rather pay $60 for a game with no MTX. Developers make games to get paid. If they aren’t charging for their game, it’s because they’re sure they can make an equivalent of $30-70 per player, accounting for whales. Combat focused games can at least claim the main focus of the game isn’t affected by MTX. Not sure this one can.
The first thing i thought when i heard Free to Play is its gonna be a playground for Bots. What is preventing that from happening? Is there any trading or economy of the game? Or is it more of a single player progression in a multiplayer setting?
from reading their faq site, there's going to be put limits on trading, so a bot wouldn't really be worth that much, depending on how they make the limitations, and there's not really anything to speed grind for, since there's no end goal. also from what I understand then alot of crafting is timegated (not nec. a bad thing), so even if you have an unlimited amount of resources from bots, you wouldn't nec. be further ahead from some just taking their time gathering.
I completely understand that and I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling burnt by the predatory practices the game industry has used (and continues to use).
I think it's ok that they have shop cosmetics BUT, they DO need to add some form of cosmetic OUTSIDE the paying method. Obviously they can and should make the paid cosmetics "better, fancier, and flashier", but they definetly need to add some crafted cosmetics, specially taking into consideration that we have LEATHER AND FABRIC. It's a no brainer for me the need to add these kind of crafted cosmetics in these type of games.
I always felt like pay 2 win only really applied to pvp games. like if you can get money toenhance your gear to defeat other players, thats bs. but if the games pve, in general, what really is winning then? like in GW2, technically you could use money to get gold and use that gold to buy gear, and in turn you are strong against the world, But whos winning with that? you are beating the game easier sure, but like then you vut out the experience of working for stuff. So TLDR, to me, pay to win only exists when it affects pvp lol, otherwise its just affecting the person paying.
Never turst devs when the say we wont put progression behind a paywall All free to play games said this and the all now have it its normal and it is going to happen 100% No matter what the devs say
instances is fine but to call this an MMO with a 25 player cap is false advertisement. and it's quite a disappointment to me. I was expecting 100 or so players in an instance, people trading in town, people farming and having a large map to explore and have people to come across and houses all over. still seems like a great game just doesn't seem at all what they made it out to be "mmo" wise
for me I don't like the way they are doing the servers. one of my favourite things to do in a mmo is go to a a town or city an seeing tons and tons of players but here with the 25 people most of the time it feels like a desolate towns.. and I also do not like the community limits. I have been in rp guilds in eso where events had 50-60 sometimes 100 people all just hanging out but that doesn't work here. and I also have old mmo friends (about 80 of us in total) that moves between mmos but due to the community and map limits they left the game when they found out
The biggest misconception is that the game is fun. Not playing it is considered winning. The game feels incomplete at best. It is not a mmo it is a copy of a shitty jrpg I played on ps2, but without the combat. The game was like if they made those anti depressant commercials into a video game. Woeing will be a premium feature later lol.
I would have enjoyed the game more if it wasnt linked to servers. Almost everything in the game including this could still happen just the same if the game wasn't linked to servers. Really hit themselves in the foot
As a GW2 player interested in Palia I appreciate the GW2 references in this video. I imagine Palia being like the pcifist child of GW2 (for the MMO aspects) and Stardew Valley (major gameplay), with some own characteristics added. Regarding the "p2w": This term is used to often and it seems like everybody has an own definition. Sometimes it also looks like someoneis twisting the definition so it works for the game they are attacking. This is especially true when the game doesn't really have a "winning" state. Monetization models have evolved, there is pay for cosmetics, pay for convenience, there are battle passes, optional subscription and sometimes some of the stuff combined. And some of these systems had iterations that looked worse than p2w.
@@DadJokeCinema Agreed. But this also means that even a purely cosmetic shop that purely consists of time limited loot boxes can feel bad. But I don't think Palia would go that route.
people focus too much on the "Win" part to create strawmen. its not about winning in the literal sense, but its a clear indication of where the games focus will be in the future. do the costumes and cosmetics in the cash shop look leaps and bounds better than what you can earn in game? just means you will be getting more nice looking paid cosmetics and shitty potato bag crap in game, because they care more about monetizing you like a fashion whale than giving you a fun game to play with nice cosmetics. thus the game is "pay to win". if the cosmetics are balanced, and you get really nice cosmetics in game and in the shop, then everything is copacetic.
Why does every game these days have to run to the creeper aspect of Romancing? It's weird and sad....so keep your kids far far far away from the future trafficking game ..got it.
Seems like the instancing is gonna be like what occurs in Forza Horizon 5 where other players will randomly drive through your game world so long as you are connected to Horizon life.
While *technically* it's very different, it does *feel* the same to me. I used to always think of it like the 2020 MS Flight Simulator, where it was a similar thing. I was playing (usually by myself) in a big world and sometimes I'd see someone else fly by.
so lets get this straight, people want it for free.. and are angry because the people who spent hundreds of hours developing the game, and pay for the servers want to sell optional cosmetics... christ people are dumb
I really woul'nt call 2 zones plus your home zone a mmo. They really need alot more zones in the future, becouse the 2 zones are gona get old really quickly.
I have never played one of these games before. I am 60 years old, not very computer literate but love games. I play Harvest Moon and Rune Factory on the wii and various games including Sims, Wylde Flowers, Raft and Don't Starve on pc. I don't really understand how these games work but loved the bits of gameplay I'd seen enough to be interested in obtaining it. However, I don't want to play with other people (anti-social I know!) so could someone please explain to me if it will be possible for me to play alone and if I will have to contend with others trying to be sociable? xxx
Hello and welcome! I'm so glad you're here. Unfortunately there is no way to play this offline or completely separate from other people - it's an online game only. It's completely possible to not interact with people, and they can't come to your housing plot unless you're friends. You'll see people running around doing things in the world, but there's not much in the way of interaction with them. You can go on your way doing your own thing.
42 years old nerd here: I dont understand this game at all so i am here to talk with another male adult. I saw everything (almost ) about this game and i found literally 0 news. Everything is almost (or identical) to any other cozy game. The istance "thing" seems just another way to call a place to farm..so.. What the point to start a game when is another copy/paste of any other cozy in this field? I know that all genres has copies, but here there is LITERALLY nothing new. Play with friends? Give a buff or a % of more farm(useless) There is even no way to "terraforming"(the best feature on acnh) or catch villagers.. Explain to me: why this over a previous one already bought? Caus is free? I mean..i m here to have more "views" or "ideas" I received only answer like "its cuteee" or "its freee" .. I hope to receive a reply to anyone who is not 8 years old 😅
Lol! I had no idea this game was getting so much flak just from simple misunderstandings. But aye, there are some things about this that obviously got misinterpreted. Still love the game though
I'm sorry, but whoever said "Buying clothes from a cash shop is winning a life sim" has bigger issues to deal with besides optional clothing in video games...
Like almost all MMOs, you'll be around random people. There's no private servers or even server selection. My understanding is that not anyone can visit your home plot though, they have to be given permission, so you can hang out alone there.
Some people love crafting and resource gathering and there are enough of us who'd want a game like this. If it's boring for you then it's not for you, which is fine.
"Many of the older adults are married, have kids and jobs and are less worried about romance". I already see some middle-age career woman crying in a corner after these words xD
They are not "servers", they are "layers" and it is normal that there is a maximum limit of players, it is necessary to not create too much latency. Even for example Diablo 4 or World of Warcraft are both like this and so are many MMOs now. Each layer is connected to another layer. So there will be areas where multiple layers are connected and we will see more than 25 people. it is better to inform oneself before drawing hasty conclusions. Have a nice day
With any mmo dev using unreal engine you can expect at best 50 players per world instance and Palia runs on UE4. So the 25 limit is due the engine. Its a number where its still in the safe zone. It's not an issue here though since you aren't trying to have huge pvp battles or big open world raid bosses. Would only make it worse if you had 100 players/ instance as it would lead to overfarming the available resources. Then they would have to extend the map 4x to keep player density low enough to not cause frustration.
