and i had my heart set on a sweet cd player...i'll just be donning my tactical tuxedo t-shirt, stuffing my chrome plated jennings in my pocket, and having a natty light in the garage...thanks James
I had a stainless ppk back in the 80s, I loved it. It digested Winchester Silvertip like a champ. I also had a Browning BDA in a nickle finish. I think the BDA could be in this list as well.
Choices 5,4, and 3 on the list are my favorites. Walther PPK is tops in my opinion. I've had many over the years. First pistol I purchased was an Intrerarms example. Good quality. Wouldn't touch S&W variant or Fort Smith iteration copies. I have the original made in Ulm PPK in 7,65mm. My opinion is that is the ideal caliber for the PPK. 9mm kurz seems like it was an ass after thought. I also really enjoy the Beretta 81BB and Beretta 81FS.
When it comes to ranking handgun beauty, I think James really missed his bullseye here. I challenge his list with... 1. Any German Made Luger 2. Browning Hi-Power 3. Walther P38 4. Any Beretta Cheetah (- 89 & 87 Target) 5. SIG P210 6. Any Handfit or Legacy 1911
The only gun on your list that isn't too large for carry is the Cheetah. Other guns like the 1908 Hammerless or Mauser HSc are much easier to carry when wearing clothing that's supposed to be form fitting (I.E. a tux or suit).
@@sartorialdriver6528 My guns too big? That's where the vertical shoulder holster comes in. Pointing the muzzle down to the floor so the height of the gun is what the set up has to conceal instead.
@@sovietcapitalist no he’s right that isn’t classy it’s the creepy middle aged guy w a cheap watch and a dip can in his suit style. None of those are tux guns those are service pistols
Hmm...I'm going to have to disagree. The MR-73 and P210 (and I own one of the latter...Swiss-made) are both outstanding pistols, but they are also service sidearms. Good in uniform, not really the sort of thing you wear with a dinner jacket. The P7 is at the outside of that range. And while I like the P7 in theory, HK did not wring the best trigger possible out of them. Now, the PPK...The first rule of PPKs is that they will eat your hand in .380. Get one in .32 or .22 and they are a delight. It's not well-known, but the progenitor of the legendary Hammerli 200-series target pistols is the Walther PP. Excellent single-action trigger, excellent accuracy. But I'd go for a German or French-made gun.
“Tuxedo guns” Me: *Confused Hillbilly noises* Also fun fact, we found a HK P7 on a target in Afghanistan in the Hindu Kush near the Pakistani border.. NO clue how that pistol found it’s way there but I bet it’s a hell of a story. It was definitely not taken off target in someone’s dump pouch
@@cameronbuckner254 I've always wanted one..One of my favorite handguns of all time..Such clean lines and super compact...Not to mention a John Browning design.
The fact the browning high power did not even receive and honorable mention is criminal. Throw that sweet piece of Belgium performance art in a shoulder holster under an Armani two button and the prince of Monaco will be impressed with the lines of your suit.
IMO, the BHP is one of the best semi auto pistols ever made, and I agree, why it wasn't on the list is disappointing. I guess it's because the round count is too high cause it sure isn't due to quality and shootability.
I agree. My Hi-Power Practical, with the two-tone look, is my dress gun in a black X-15 shoulder holster. Tuxedo ready. Should have been on the list...
@@jantschierschky3461 no it's not a "low cost" manufacturer. Ist sitting more at the medium to high spectrum of costly gun makers. When you show up with a SP5 or Mk23 on the range, you're the unicorn and people who uses the G28 or MR308 are the "flexers"
@@Jebotito well I use to be S4 in the German army and I can tell you for a fact H&K was the lowest cost manufacturer. Yes it is expensive to purchase in the US, however in Germany it was a low cost manufacturer till the 2000s. For example the G3 did cost about USD90.00 in 84, MP5 about $100.00, P7 $120.00. VP70 $20. So low cost manufacturing expensive sold in the US
The HK P7 is still used by LEOs in Bavaria, Germany. Since they're not built anymore, the government started distributing the SFP9 in 2018 but the P7 is still around, especially with detectives who carry concealed.
@@Error_404_Account_Deleted Some people just like it and can afford it. They know it's not a good value but just want it anyway. I haven't met someone who incessantly talks about the HK P7. But the hobby is not much different than any other hobby in the ego department. The smug collector is always there to justify their purchase. A true enjoyer would say, "Yeah it's outclassed by other pistols 1/4 the price but I like it." That's most P7 owners realistically
The MR73 is my dream revolver, hearing that gign story of air france when I was little was nuts, those are the best of the best operators. Peak of the mountain. And that gun is a perfect PERFECT revolver, no dumb shit, just rock solid and beautiful.
Iirc, they even had one version of that or another revolver fitted with a telescopic optic.... Now this might sound like some dumb call of duty loadout, but it was specifically to be used as a mini-sniper rifle inside very long corridors of very big buildings. GIGNs are crazy.
An odd pitch here, but I'd submit the 1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless. It's in a solid calibre, it's a really sleek, nice looking piece. Not a bad trigger either. I recently inherited one with polished stag horn grips made in 1914. It is one of my "Suit Guns"
Honestly, someone could remake that gun today with the grips bored for higher capacity to create a fully-functional modern carry pistol with classic looks. It’s the exact same size as a P365XL.
For " Gangster Cred " Colt 1908 ( .32 or .38 not sure ) was the pocket pistol John Dillinger had in his hand drawn from pocket when he was killed in Chicago after leaving the Biograph Theater, sold out by the woman in Orange. Good consideration
"No. 5 gotta be the Walther PPK, I love this piece of shit!" And we love you James, making TFBTV thrive one deadpan one-liner at time!! 🍺To 7 years of bringing our American Gun Gala worldwide!!!🎉
Even before a full review, when you see the shooting montage in the beginning, you can sometimes tell how reliable a gun is by how James looks at it when he runs empty. Sometimes he so quickly brings the gun up and looks right in the ejection port, as if he's done it a dozen times already. Whereas with more reliable examples, when he runs dry, he hardly even looks at the gun, because "of course" it's empty, and not jammed. He's looking at his target or boasting for the camera. It's an interesting little observation, and you can sometimes sniff out how a review will go just by the beginning cumpliation of James shooting. ^_^
I have been watching James too long. I was able to name the manufacturers in order and 5 of 6 of the models specifically before he announced them.This was a great video.
@@tfbtv I reported the guy James but the guy under my original comment with your same screen name telling me to text something to that number just tried to scam me. I feel like a idiot luckily I didnt fall all the way for it. I reported him. Just thought I would let you know.
I'm getting married in New Orleans in September. Been thinking of what to carry that day. Was thinking the Walther ppks, Taurus gx4, Glock 43x, but need more ideas. That Beretta 84 cheetah is looking real nice. Perfect video for me.
When I bought my first tuxedo I took my Walther PPK/s with me to the fitting. When they saw my shoulder holster they were impressed. Yes, I carried a gun at my wedding and my son carried it as well at his.
Absolutely! Me too! And a Walther PPK/s is also one of my three Tuxedo guns. Though at my wedding I carried a Browning Model 1955 .380 handed down by my grandfather. The Browning 1955 is the US marketed version of the John Browning designed FN Model 1910. Really classy and sleek little handgun. And yes, I wore it to the fitting for the tuxedo. As I have for every tuxedo fitting since then. I'm not a fan of shoulder holsters for weddings though. I'm usually going to take my coat off, so I prefer a clip on, leather IWB holster that can hide (at least mostly) under a vest or cummerbund. And I usually don't wear IWB holsters either, but for tuxedos I make an exception.
I have to admit, I was about to say you were wrong for putting a revolver in the #1 spot.... until I saw it. The Manurhin MR73 is like the "Playboy Centerfold of wheel guns." But it's not just sexy, it also possesses a level of badassery! (Now I need one!!) ;-)
@@skeltonslay8er781 I was thinking between the PCR or the rami If I was going to include a 75 and I think that the Ramy just fits a little better because it's closer in size to a lot of the .380s
The Rami, Sig P938, Kimber Solo, and arguably S&W CSX are the only modern guns I can think of that belong on this list. The Rami is definitely deserving of the title, though.
@@sartorialdriver6528 it's such a beautiful shooter too I changed the baseplates on my 10 round mags to the Hyve extension to get the +3 and a full grip and now it shoots like a dream and still less footprint than the factory 14 round mags Also I'd add the Sig P224 but only the SAS model without a rail
I don't know if you are gonna read this or not but the PPK reliability, ammo jamming is quite easy to fix. Just check the inner slide release break. Once that part becomes rounded - it jams, because it works as a case ejector as well. So, those are two things in one - case ejector (it hits the case out while the slide goes back) and slide lock. Just a couple of minutes of file working, make the edges of the ejector/slide release sharp and it's ready to go! Not sure if what I wrote was clear? Anyways, greetings from Serbia!
Own, have owned, or shot everything on the list except the MR73 so I must be classier than I thought. Still wouldn't be caught dead in a maiter d' monkey suit! That said, I was disappointed the Seecamp didn't make the list.
Good choices all. The MR73 is too big for a tux gun though a strong argument can be made that it is the best revolver in the world . As for the P230, nice choice. Less slide bite compared to the PPK and better ergonomics. X Files fans will remember that Dana Scully carried one for a while though its not FBI issue.
I just recently traded a S&W sd9ve for a 1969 Colt detective special, the guy wanted a semi auto 9mm for riding his dirt bike in the woods. My daddy proud!
You crack me up James with your PSA trash talk. I’ve been a proud PSA owner for years, but last night my cheapness hit an all time low…. I walked into sportsman’s and walked out with a new Hi Point Carbine for $266! Ahaha
Ya I didn’t agree with him using an after market mag for the review. I’ve seen a million other videos of them working great. It’s like ak47’s, I’ve had 2 that jammed like crazy but when you watch RU-vid it’s like the best gun ever! Lol. I only trust what I know from experience.
@@Blackpowderdad It was an "aftermarket" mag that hipoint sent with the gun. He didn't go out and get the mag himself, the manufacturer provided it. Also, it literally broke the firing pin, extractor and the front sight post after a couple hundred rounds lol.
Ya cause he was throwing the gun around and didn’t even clean the gun first! I’ve worked at a factory, people need to clean their guns before they shoot them, no matter the brand I always find metal shavings and thick axel grease crap in the barrels. Just cause some one makes intertwining videos doesn't make them an expert.
@@Blackpowderdad It's almost like he was testing it or something. I've also never had a gun break it's firing pin and extractor from brand new just because it wasn't cleaned. Never heard of it either. Why? Because good guns don't do that lol. If it's so fucking fragile that less than 200 rounds without it being cleaned will cause multiple catastrophic failures, then it is literal garbage.
As a guy that had to carry in suits a few times I thought this was a pretty good list. Although I never got anything on this list. If you haven’t carried in a nice tailored suit I will warn you that patterning is a major problem. A short barrel isn’t nearly as important as the width so most double stack are out, you can’t leave your suit unbuttoned or everyone thinks your either drunk or a body guard (which if your a body guard may be what you want), so a suit with only the bottom two buttons necessitates either a vertical carry shoulder holster, or if the taper on the suit isn’t too tight a small of the back IWB kind of works. Like women’s clothing most suit pockets are mostly not intended to be used except the hip pocket and the inside pocket, but the inside pocket patterns badly. So pocket carry is an option only with small thin pistols in squared off holsters that pattern like a wallet. You can also cut down on patterning with a heavier suit material like wool but just know it will be HOTTER than hell. By the way. If you are going to be carrying in a suit, just tell your tailor beforehand. You’ll be surprised how not surprised the tailor will be even in libtard establishments. They get it all the time and will even sometimes lisp out a few questions about model and carry method. They often will also then guide you to the more moderately priced suits knowing that your likely a body guard, protective services, or some slightly above poor who still can’t afford Nancy Pelosi security.
I’ve shot a friends HK P7 and it was a very accurate & nice shooting gun. Expensive AF if you can find one but guaranteed to be a conversation starter. Now I’m gonna go on a limb here and suggest a Kahr K9 stainless as the poor man’s tuxedo gun. Solid steel, night sights, costs just under a grand & looks good.
How dare you exclude the Rohrbaugh R9. A tiny 9mm with European style heel magazine release, no sharp edges, totally overpriced and made in the good ol' USA. Now that's a tuxedo gun.
James Reeves is the biggest Glock Fan Boy on RU-vid, which means he's got some serious explaining to do... Someone tell me why James didn't put the striker-fired, sharp-angled, original 9mm granddaddy of the Glock, The P08 Luger pistol on his list at all, let alone at the top?
I carry a PPK everyday, usually in jorts or jeans and a sleeveless shirt, its one of the new production ones so it does function. It's not the most modern thing but it's super nice and easy to carry. I'll move to something more "powerful" when someone volunteers to take a .380 to the chest and walk it off.
380 will kill the crap outta somebody...Idk why some people think it's not sufficient...With good defensive ammo and proper shot placement it's definitely nothing to sneeze at...Not to mention they are usually so small you can conceal them almost anywhere on your body and almost forget it's there...I wouldn't carry anything less powerful than a good quality 380 or 38 special but it's definitely enough gun for two legged predators if you do your job of putting effective shots on target.
@@PHOTOGRASPER if you’re that good a shot, fair play. The range targets aren’t charging at you and are moving in a straight line. An attacker? They usually will be erratically moving and moving quickly. IMO at least 10 rounds of 9mm is a must but just my two cents. I’ve seen meth heads take 6 or 7 center mass shots and still keep coming. Better overpowered and not need it than vice versa but again just my opinion
Damn literally called out my truck first. I was happy laughing watching this video bc tuxedo guns just make me laugh and smile and then you had come calling me out like that!!
I love the MR73 - but not exactly a "carry gun" the way I think of it. A carry gun is small to medium in size - a 4 or 5 inch MR73 is not small by most "carry" definitions. And it's not an auto... When I think of Euro tuxedo guns - I do not think of a friggin revolver... The list started out strong but sharted on itself at the end...
I kind of expected to see a Kahr K9 on the list based on your description of a tuxedo gun. All metal, check. Expensive, check. Impractical conspired to the modern competition, check. Sexy beyond reason, double check.
Must make a pitch for the Beretta 70s, in .380. Has been trusted companion for decades. Only modification needed was swapping out issue thumbrest grips for Turkish walnut to make it comfortable in either hand. "The Contessa" (I don't care what cat name Beretta hung on it) can go anywhere and, no matter which tux I am wearing (what, you only have one?), its sleek shape slides into place.
I agree and vote for the Beretta 70s, in 380. I bought mine in 1974, and will never sell it. I also ordered Turkish grips. Feels great in the hand and shoots great.
I would also add for your consideration: Mauser HSC HK Mod. 4 Flex time! I own a P7 and a Mauser HSC and the P7 is just too heavy for tuxedo carry. The HSC with beautiful wood grips would fit the bill very well.
The Mauser HsC would certainly qualify in the looking-cool department, although ergos are surprisingly, imho, terrible, and it has one of those sting-a-finger triggers for some reason.
May I suggest the Bond Arms Bullpup 9? Pricey, needlessly complex, a bit freaky, and great looking. Just like the companion one might seek to meet at a tuxedo event.
20+ years ago I did extensive traing with the H&K P7 & was not let down on accuracy or reliability. The down side is it gets HOT and stays HOT when you train like we did. No problems from hot summer dust & sand to below freezing & one ice pond giving way and submerging me briefly.
"Harry, seconds count buddy ditch the bitch!" I absolutely love your movie references. Excellent list as well. I've got a P232 and a Fort Smith PPK and enjoy them both, another classic fixed barrel tux gun could be the early war produced Mauser HSC. Early on they had much better bluing and finishing/machining
