If they legit just remade or remastered Duodecim for modern hardware, added a couple characters and chapters, and added an alternate 3v3 OPTION for multiplayer, it'd be a perfect way to have done this. But instead, they shoehorned in a bunch of junk, watered down everything, and made it a cash grab. When will companies re-learn that pleasing fans is the best way to make a ton of money?
you have to understand that dissidia was unpopular in japan and their target audience was japan, hence the force 3v3 (super popular in japan with game like gundam) and no rpg. where they fucked is for console release they needed to add a 1v1 mode with cracked up character and more rpg mechanic, and the game would have been fine and still played a lot today.
@@aldofer8832 According to SilconEra and multiple review aggregation sites, Duodecim sold only 8% less copies in japan than OG dissidia, and the reviews were better... OG sold roughly 500k copies in Japan, with 012 selling roughly 460k. That's just Japan. In the US, it sold nearly 2 million copies. While I get the point that Japan is the target demographic, Squenix did have a flop on their hands. Let's also address the fact that one or the other Dissidia games were on the top selling lists for PSP in both US and Japan.
Oh Tom I can talk bout this game for hours. There is actually a "new game+" file online that unlocks all the characters and cosmetics for the free version. "Would you get banned" no. Square stopped caring years ago and it's p2p connection
@@VVVVV99611 The part that baffles me about that one is that I have a sneaking suspicion that it would provide a better experience on original hardware than the original operating system if someone could figure out how to completely wipe a PSP's OS and replace it with PPSSPP. Also, glad they actually keep legacy versions available, had a hiccup trying to get it running before realizing the issue was updates; newer versions don't run on Win7 even though there's no bloody reason for it. ...I'm'n'a stop before this turns into me whining about Valv€.
Still don't understand how Square Enix messed this up so bad. Literally all they had to do was take the Duodecim, COPY AND PASTE IT on console, and give it a graphical update. Bam, all the loyal customers would've ate it up.
I was wondering if this or your XV videos would come out first because of its original arcade release, but it became pretty obvious which was the case when, well, it was directly stated. ...I call figuring that one out some pretty good detective work on my part. Really, though, when I got this game, I played and dropped it in the same day. It was a fairly massive disappointment after 012. Not a terrible game, per say, but very lackluster, as you found out. Another entry I'm glad we've made it past. Not a lot more for me to say on it, unfortunately. This was a fantastic video, though, and I'm as happy as ever to have gotten to see more REFFOID! Thanks for all the time and effort you always put into your videos!
Ah, the game I hang onto solely due to the "what could have been". While there are many things wrong with it, I would like to offer up some defenses for some things. On the topic of dumbed down RPG elements, while I do think NT's balance is better, I would say it is a bit *too* shallow. The RPG elements were the growth that stimulated the campaign, and as long as NT's stat ratio is the default I can at least see room for a class system. With the more consistent gimmicks, players could be inclined to play into those gimmicks more, which combined with the summons would allow players to maximize their gains or at least compensate for a bad draw. And only having one HP Attack means that the more niche attacks will be even rarer to be picked. On the topic of the classes, I think you put a bit much emphasis on the rock-paper-scissor. Marksman will projectile-spam everyone, its what they do, and everyone can corner the Marksman. Likewise the only time Assassins will get bodied specifically against Vanguards is in a clash which almost never happens, and in fact the Assassin can win anyways due to having an attack which hits before the Vanguard's windup is even finished. Though yes it would be nice if they labeled the characters for what they are. As for the chaos of 3v3...there are arguments against it to be made, but for your arguments specifically? Sorry, but that truly is a skill issue. Understanding the evolving battle is a matter of adjustment, and while that is something the game does not ease into, it is not the crippling flaw. The crippling flaw is how the characters are so unresponsive that even when you can see an attack coming from a mile away you will still get bodied regardless. High-level play centers heavily around just catching opponents while they're attacking someone else, and then getting backstabbed when someone does the same to you, and then that person gets backstabbed, etc. And even worse is how the lives are shared, so even if you do your best if you have one weak link on the team all the opponents have to do is focus them down. Sometimes PvP is practically an escort mission. As for characters, I find it ironic that you rag on Locke right after praising Vayne even though their meta-circumstances are somewhat similar. Locke loses out to an optional party member, Vayne loses out to the guy who is the barely-a-protagonist's arch nemesis who changes sides to help you with the first phase of the final boss. And then there's the whole Golbez and Cloud of Darkness stuff, Ace can probably be included too, so I guess it comes down to preferences. Also for what characters to want, since (if I remember right) the total was supposed to be 50 I'd say these: FF2 Minwu (Marksman), FF5 Gilgamesh (Specialist), FF7 Aerith (Marksman), FF8 Laguna (Marksman), FF9 Vivi (Marksman), FF11 Prishe (Specialist), FF13-2 Noel (Assassin), FF15 Ignis (Assassin), Tactics Ultima (Vanguard), Type-0 Machina (Specialist), NT Materia (Vanguard), NT Siritus (Vanguard). And finally, onto the offense. You are going way too easy on the story. To begin with, while there wasn't the deepest lore to the psp games there was stuff going on beneath the surface, but where it really shined was the characters and had one of if not the best fanservice moments in the franchise, that being Tidus vs Jecht which is just great for the story on top of being something incredibly anticipated. Then NT barges in with with retcons that serve only to undercut the established setting, can't keep track of their characters with Kefka getting so much favoritism he's in two places at once, the most shallow fanservice with the snark-off between Ultimecia and Shantotto, and the two gods are moronic which sapped all investment once the crossover characters were replaced with copies. Combine that with the pathetic excuse for a campaign and this is *the* issue to talk about. In the end, NT's fate was sealed due to three big reasons: The garbage campaign, the unresponsive gameplay, and the lack of customization. The campaign could not have been fixed short of scrapping it before launch and giving something completely different and actually good later. The gameplay would have been so much better if they had only tightened it up with much more animation canceling for attacking/dodging/dashing, and maybe give dodging actual I-frames so that it can be useful at all. And even without stat customization, there was no need to limit character customization to presets when it could be like how you can set up CPU freely in Sparring, there could have been options to disable summons and basic EX skills or ramp them up, and they could have changed the rules as to the number of lives and whether its a team pool or for individual characters. If even one of these things had been strong NT could've lasted for its DLC plan, or at least the modders would've been more inclined to salvage it as best they could.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I definitely felt all those issues with 3v3 too, if I put more time into the game (or had literally any PvP matches) I would've went into it more. With the story, my expectations were so low that I was pleasantly surprised. I just wasn't as invested in 012 story for that to effect my opinion too much. They didn't try to connect the stories really at all, they just hit the reset button. If you look at it for what it is, a couple of random scenes with random characters shown across random battles, it's kinda fun. And I still think the boss battles were good. It's also the ONLY thing anyone would get this game for in 2024 and in the end I still wouldn't recommend it.
On my playthrough of this game, I ended up really enjoying playing as Garland. His funny mix of long range & close range heavy hitting attacks made him the most enjoyable to use when grinding. I was so sad that Tifa's moveset was completely changed from her 012 days. During bosses, though, I always went with ranged characters, especially for Ramuh. Those were so unfun.
Dissidia is a franchise that was created to celebrate the anniversary of the franchise, it's hard to think of it as a tragedy since if the intention is to celebrate, profit is in the background. There are few online PvP options for Final Fantasy on the market and NT is very good at it. The main franchise has 300 single-player games with stories, so why make another one the same? Plus, Dissidia for PSP got two games with dozens of offline content, and the games are still available to play there, so why would the company make another game the same? NT has many fans who still play the game; it is a success in Japan, and games like Dota and League of Legends were never charged to have a single player because NT would have that if it is clearly a game aimed at esports. Regarding the price, it's possible to get the game for free on Steam with all DLC using an unlocker available since day one. If the game were so bad, there wouldn't be so many creators using the game to talk about it.
It's weird you have a problem with the growth in the dissidia and duodecim....with it not existing in NT ....kinda the whole point...the fighting aspect was secondary to the ff rpg core of the game.
I appreciate your opinions! Don't get me wrong! But I can tell you play smash bros...or fighting games in general.... probably the problem being the online aspect focus...where as the others (not opera) were wholly there own games without the multiplayer. I LOVED the equipment and rpg aspects...ALL THE SUMMONS!!!.....then NT comes out.... everyone got nerfed to hek for some reason....only like 5 summons....very disappointing.
The absolute worst? The fact that you can't customize moves or combat aspects like speed boost jump boost, or other passive abilities that were fun to mess with. Feels like a street fighter game....yeah sure you could count each individual frame of a hit or combo....but after that most of those games are the equivalent of a 25mb experience.
NT was just a misguided mess. it's an ARCADE game with SIX player matches. as in to play it as intended you need an arcade with SIX CABINETS and 5 friends. who tf came up with that? not to mention the 3v3 format caused one of the biggest UI monstruosities I've ever witnessed. AND it had no single player content while the previous dissidia and 012, who you'd think were the intended audience for a sequel, were massive. an absolute disaster all around.
I remember playing Duodecim for a long time on the PS Vita and even up to 2017 I would play it at my old job with a few work buddies on local multiplayer. We were so hype that NT was coming out in a few months but then I saw it was 3v3 and immediately knew something wasn't right after watching gameplay for it.. I ended up being so cautious that I rented it from Gamefly instead of buying it and boy was I glad I did.. My buddies paid the full price for the game FYI lol
Squeenix, please just remaster 012 with NT graphics and new characters. Maybe put in the esper boss fights too. No more 3v3 "Gang up on one to win" game modes please.
So I just saw that if you can put off this game's mobile version/companion for another month the servers will be shut down and you can avoid yet another gacha grind. You can do it! Procrastinate for your sanity!
The path to a shitty sequel. Sacrifice customization and gameplay elements that made each character unique for updated graphics? ✅ Launch a game that people anticipated on consoles for couch co-op/vs with online multiplayer only? ✅ No story? ✅ Less abilities, items, available techniques and overall resources in the game itself? ✅ Another polished turd Edit* Almost forgot. Micro transactions! Be sure not to release the entirety of the content and lock any new characters people would be excited to play behind shitty season passes that cost $.
My biggest issue with the game is the fact that there wasn't really a storyline. Like yes there was something you could watch, but it was awful in comparison to the original 2
I am sorry but if you sold me a Final fantasy JRPG fighting game I WANT THE JRPG part That includes gear, levels, story the whole shabang You can spent 200 HOURS before your first VS match in the PSP game, HOW IS THAT A BAD THING?
Ngl I think the person I was most hyped for in this game was Ace as a huge Type-0 fan lmao I cheered like I just won the mega millions at the reveal! Also the servers ARE shut down lol, you cant play online anymore as far as Im aware
I enjoyed the gameplay for what it was. But the online experience wasnt fun because it was peer 2 peer... and single player was... yeaaaaah... a big letdown
The P2P is not bad, no server = cheap, the game is still avaliable to play because of that, its possible to play matches between EU vs NA, NA vs JP and SA vs NA. Its just that needs a wired and good connection its not the game fault. The game was released for a small country like JP, we are lucky to have a version to play
