I’d just be happy if you took a break on videos for a while to fire all cylinders on Jason, and whatever other films or shorts you have in between, cause that’s your best work.
It's not just this game people also like making fun of how the Lego Batman games have better characterization, writing and consistency than the entire DCEU/Snyderverse combined.
You gotta give props to how creatively they actually kill the Justice League. Batman was shot with a gun. Flash was taken out with a gun. Green Lantern died from a bullet wound from a gun. And Superman was shot with a gun.
Just like how creative Arkham was. You take out Bane with a punch, Joker with a punch, Mr. Freeze with a punch, Deathstroke with a punch. And Arkham Knight was punched.
@@inshal6420Bane was taken out by the Batmobile Joker was taken out by an explosion to the face Mr Freeze got taken out by Batman’s gadgets and strategies Death stroke was taken out in a full on brawl Arkham Knight and Batman didn’t at all have a fist fight so no kiddo he was beaten by persuasion Maybe try using your tiny head again
@@trevorphilips9065 Flash was taken out by a speed-force decouplers, Superman with golden kryptonite, Batman with Harley’s fear gas, Green Lanturn with yellow lanterns. Maybe try using your tiny head again.
I hate the superman audiolog where he convinces the entire league to enter brainiacs ship. Superman is a good guy but not an idiot and i feel like modern writers are trying to turn Superman into a himbo.
One of the only other mortal characters who match Superman's intellect is Lex Luthor, but in terms of processing power and speed, he's only outdone by Flash. So, yeah, Supes would basically NEVER pull a stunt like that@@Bojoschannel
@@Bojoschannel If it wasn't for the fact that Batman and Lex were in the same universe, Flash or Superman would definitely be in the category of smartest people.
@@Bojoschannel Yes, it's often a common thing in the comics where Superman will confide in Flash about something that's troubling him because Flash is the only one capable of thinking as fast, if not faster than him. Batman and Lex are smart because of their inventions, and deductive abilities. Superman and Flash, are smart because they can think of 1000 different possible scenarios, with each variable given to them before a blink of an eye.
You know the plot would have been a great teen titans game, having these young heroes having to fight their mentors is much more heartfelt then a bunch of ex cons
Or just a Wonder Woman game playing as her taking on the League. Either or could work really, I’d enjoy either a thousand times better than this regardless, as it would be way more emotionally charged either way
23:16 Holy Fuck, that was YOU! DUDE!! I remember finding that video and was so obsessed with figuring out how Joker could still be alive. Good times man....
This killed me. That entire final section of the video is perfection, with writing that tugs at the heart strings. Alex and I lived an almost identical life apparently cause I was that same kid, doing the same things, beat for beat. Even if I didn’t like some of the execution of Arkham Knight, those games have such a special place in my heart.
Fun fact, none of the devs for Suiside Squad actually worked on any Arkham title, as most of Rocksteady's talent left a long time ago. Explains a lot, doesn't it?
The Teen Titans vs The Justice League. A bunch of young heroes, many of them the apprentices of the Justice League top dogs, must now learn to work together and defeat their mentors and role models.
Yeah I hate that people say this game shit on his legacy or whatever. The game sucks ass don’t get me wrong here, but obviously they never could’ve predicted we’d lose Kevin. This isn’t the first time he has played an evil Batman and he has said he thinks it’s really fun too. Kevin read the script and knew what he was getting into. Nobody could know it would be his final performance as Batman it was just another in hopefully many gigs to come.
I think he was having a lot of fun with some of the lines, however, I dont think he would've been ok with this being his LAST performance, especially as Arkham Batman, which is one of the most beloved iterations of the character.
The Arkham audio logs added to the characters’ history and worldbuilding, but were never full of vital information that was necessary to the story. They were cool Easter eggs and fun to hear, but the main story felt complete without them.
the reason why brainiac brainwashed them was one of the most stupidest thing that i've ever read, superman is not that dumb to blindly trust a stranger alien who just landed on earth
@@jackdandy3579 yeah people who only understand Superman on a superficial level wrote that. He’s supposed to be very smart and doesn’t make dumb strategic decisions just to be nice to strangers
@@dynaguy3like Superman can be kinda naieve but naivety is not stupidity and i feel like he would atleast feel sketched out by brainiac and have the rest of the league stay while one of them goes
I worked on this game for some time, I came along when the project was already started and stayed there for a couple of years, if only you knew... this video made me tear up as you have achieved other times but this one was different, this stung, I wish the game could have been what much of the team really wanted and hoped for but sadly most of us are bottom of the barrel when it comes to decission making, money and suits always ruin shit. Thank you and I truly hope you can acomplish with Jason what you hoped to find in this money hungry dumpster of a game.
This game honestly could've been it's own unique thing, had it not been part of the Arkhamverse. Wish they gave us a Batman Beyond, Superman or even just a Justice League game instead.
Facts. I don't know what rocksteady is expecting from suicide squad. They think the jokes are funny, and they think players will like it just because it's supposedly the "arkahmverse"
@@OBC24-q8h Honestly if story from the start wasn't killing the Leage but sneaking up to a country and assasinating a poltitical figure for example I don't see why that couldn't be a part of Arhkamverse. But what we got? Definetly not.
That last half of the video was extremely relatable talking about how you found out about Arkham Asylum through a magazine, while your dad got smokes and it brought up some memories. It made tear up, man. Keep doing what you're doing, Alex ❤
Maybe this is why insomniac decided to cancel the multiplayer spider-man game. If they thought this would be the the fate of that game then I’m fine without it
@HiTopFilms hey! Its a good thing though...the dedication comes through. As a life long superman fan, I'm super tired of the Evil superman trope, I feel you bro
Could have easily made a JL game; Give Harley's grapnel to Batman, Deadshot's flight to Superman, Shark's jumps to WW, Boomer's speed to Flash and shift the story to "The league defends Metropolis against an invading Brainiac and his gallery of assorted Rogues he's collected from other worlds." Character moments could easily stem from those villains, and they can explore each member's personality and interactions as a newer formed team, battle-hardening them into a Justice League that can kick ass in a sequel. Immediately a better-sounding concept than "haha Squad kills superman". What a joke.
Yeah and have some of the villains be versions of villains from some DCs famous elseworlds like Superman red son, Justice league the nail, batman gotham by gaslight , dc bombshells etc etc etc with the dlcs grabbing the heroes from that world to stop them
Making a game called "Suicide Squad Kill the Crime Syndicate" would have also worked and probably would have turned out better since you can do all the disrespectful deaths and less build up since it would be villains killing villains.
As a die-hard Rocksteady fan who has absolutely adored and treasured the Batman Arkham series growing up (I even love Arkham Knight in spite of its flaws), this game truly broke my heart. Despite it being an online-only live-service title, I hoped that they would find some way of surprising me and recaptured the spirit and essence of the Arkham games and they just didn't. Maybe the Batman Arkham games are so damn good, not even the studio who made them know how to do it again.
We should stop believing in studios, and start believing in individual artists. I know it’s easier to remember just studios and brands, but we gotta be honest, it’s the effort of individual artists who actually make stuff good.
@@NoahToledo-xo5pj Yeah, FE games will also have one or more "essential" units that you need to keep alive to tell the complete story and you can have those be Harley, Deadshot etc. while having more "killable" characters join as you progress like Polka-dot Man, Peacemaker etc.
Imagine this, ACTUALLY imagine this: - Open world Flash game where it's so much fun running around - Open world Superman game flying in a beautiful environment with hopeful themes -Green Lantern with adventures and lore so creative and adventurous - Forever People traveling everywhere and are as charismatic as the Guardians of the Galaxy - Wonder Woman being an ambassador of love with epic combat gameplay - Zatanna and Constantine in a mature game incorporating magic - Batman Beyond, where we could've seen Bruce Wayne after Arkham Knight and eventually train Terry McGinnis for a futuristic Gotham So much isn't being brought to life. The Suicide Squad are interesting as a concept and compliment DC's lore but shouldn't overtake so much potential
Harley a lowlife murderer dressing down Bruce before shooting him, Wonder Woman being the only character to receive respect in her death even though the Flash saved the SS twice, and the gross Games as a Service model. Rocksteady is gone, and wee should never support them again. Hope they go under after something like this.
I saw that feminist BS too. They couldn't do anything to the female and instead is given respect throughout the game. There's even feminist speeches in the bios too. If they had the balls, which they don't, they would had killed the entire Justice League with no discrimination of any sort.
To be fair to Rocksteady, i doubt it was their choice to make a game like this considering everything they've given us in the past, theres no doubt in my mind that some executive that only cares about numbers and not about providing an experience fans will enjoy told them it was either make a game like this or nothing for who knows how long. Not to say they cant be critised for what they gave us, but i feel we should understand that they were probably forced to include the "Games as a Service" model regardless of what they made, though i guess we'll never know forsure until like a decade from now when current Rocksteady employees speak about their experience years after the fact like what usually happens
@@terryrocks2joh God! Not only is a gamergate part 2 electric boogaloo is here with this bullshit but that every single death was bad in this including Wonder Woman's death. It's nothing to do with any form of feminism or whatever and has to do when bad writing because executives made a studio make a thing they didn't want and that wasn't a feminist game but going from single player greatness to a live service. Be like forcing insomniac to make a punisher shooter live service game that they didn't want to make because they want to keep making good Spider-Man games.
What an absolutely insane decision from a studio. What a waste. Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything quite like it honestly. The absolute downfall of Rocksteady, and DC games in general, needs to be studied. Nearly a decade after Arkham Knight, and a monumental run for superhero games, Rocksteady returns with this??? How we didn’t get a Batman Beyond game with Will Friedle and Kevin Conroy set in the Arkhamverse is baffling. Could’ve been another trilogy, and a massive financial win for the studio and WB. Same goes for a Superman game.
@@jadenbryant9283 thing is, this game could’ve TOTALLY worked. It’s a cool idea and an interesting way to explore this universe for sure. Not the route I would’ve gone, but it could’ve totally worked. I feel like early on in development it was a great game, but WB’d decision to make it a live service ended up really tanking it. I think this game had lots of behind the scenes trouble. It’s a shame. Horrible execution.
@@AlexLove631yeah there's a good chance this game could have worked[not having it take place in the arkhamverse would be a step in the right direction] but they just fucking botched and I completely understand why people thought this would originally be a superman game
I really wish this game was set in its own universe, with its own take on the characters. By being set in the Arkhamverse it can't even live up to its title.
The fact that Alex was in high school when Arkham Knight came out makes me feel old... And I don't think I'll ever play this game. It seems like a missed opportunity. I'd like to see Alex make a video about his thoughts on a potential Superman game. See his passion come through.
I think the "White deadshot was just an imposter" is stupid, because it means that the imposter Deashot was operating for longer than the actual Deashot was, it makes no sense at all!
I knew once a random character like Harley Quinn got a solo film that some garbage like this would get greenlit, but it's a real shame that her popularity had to destroy the guys that created the Arkham games.
I just want to say how perfectly you organized your wording to fit my EXACT perspective on this game. I like how you incorporated the fact that people who mindlessly rage tweet, "this game is the worst thing the entire planet has undergone the presence of 😡😡😡" is outrageous. But also acknowledge the fact that this game isn't good and abundantly has many issues. But you also talk about how the core reason everybody is really so passionate about this game is because we all knew it had the potential to be legendary. Well done.
Suicide squad kill the justice league was basically like crushing your childhood dream with the arkham games right in front of you. And worse, they play it as a joke
You can tell there's resentment behind a script when they literally piss over flash's corpse but have an emotional and sad moment filled with pathos when WW dies And don't get me started on the character entries lol My feeling is that Rocksteady is either a new gen of devs. Like the ones that made the og Arkhamverse went on to other projects and we got fresher pairs of hands on the wheel now. Or that the Arkham trilogy was so pivotal to Rocksteady identity that they grew to resent it. Like they couldn't escape the batman's shadow. That and a not insignificant part of WBgames pulling the strings to make a live service game. The original trilogy will always be there. But now I everytime I remember it's moments I'm reminded of what would come later.
Man do ì love your videos...thank you for expressing how we all feel. I legit was depressed and bummed out when I saw how this game played. My son and I had plans of playing this together. We both were disappointed. Great video bro! Awesome job!
Thank you for making this video. It helped my organize my own thoughts about this game. I did not fully understand why I felt the way I felt and there was just a swirl of anger, frustration, and sadness. Ultimately, I'm left with heartbreak. You are absolutely correct that this should not be taken as disrespect to Kevin Conroy in light of his unfortunate passing, because they definitely didn't intend it. However, it was absolutely an affront to the batman we grew with and loved. Worse, it felt like we, the fans, were mocked for loving him, growing with him, and fighting with him, because we felt like we were him. We all had become the batman. That love was treated with apathy and indifference. It felt like all that strife and struggle that we went through, and all that we overcame meant nothing to the ones who should have valued that the most.
You explaining growing up with a franchise and first playthroughs/obsessing over every detail in a trailer or promo piece nearly brought me to tears. I was instantly brought back to 06 being a huge Halo fan and the trailer of Halo 3 dropping and watching it 200 times trying to pull anything I can find then going to message boards to talk about it. It's crazy how this is a shared experience amongst gamers.
Bro I love this channel you are one of my favorite content creators. I can understand the passion you have for Batman as I have the same amount of passion play all the Arkham games and loving every single one of them please make more content like this it is the best Batman content in all of RU-vid there isn't many good Creator channels like this one and this one has got to be the best you are very talented brother keep it up this is the best RU-vid video I have watched in months
Imo this game isn’t canon. My 3 gripes with the game is the utter disrespect of Batman, The JL, and Harley sexually assaulting Deadshot. If the roles were reversed, the entire internet would call for their heads on a spike. Yet, since it’s a woman doing it, nobody bats an eye.
We're gonna look back on this game the same way we look back on Resident Evil 6, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Final Fantasy XIII, Fallout 76, Sonic Boom, and Metal Gear Survive.
literally every single video you put out makes me tear up. i was never into superheroes as a kid, (they, oddly, kinda terrified me,) but i can SO relate to the idea of something you've grown up with petering out into a sludge of nothingness thanks to corporate greed. keep up the good work!
You have no idea for how many days I kept refreshing my feed just wishing to see a new video of yours. An update yesterday and now here you are! I had a blast listening to your thoughts on this game this morning, while washing my car simultaneously! That is how I like it. Much love!
Wow. I just had to leave a comment and say that the way you ended this video really got to me. Hearing you talk about how these characters and the Arkham verse meant so much to you really got me emotional. I really don't know how Rocksteady is going to recover from this, I have lost faith in them as a studio and 204 current Steam players says it all.
I found watching this weirdly hypnotic, just seeing someone talk with such love and passion about something they loved growing up and all the hits and many more misses from something they wished they loved and that could have been great
This video got me back to when I was just a kid trying to play arkham asylum for the first time and then years later going through an entire weekend playing arkham city with my friend. Thanks for reminding me of those simpler days, Alex. I hope you're doing well too :)
That ending was so beautifully poignant. I felt myself attaching to each and every word you spoke, whether through that beautifully nostalgic lens, or through the more existential prose you utilized. You perfectly captured my own passion for Batman as a character, and Arkham as a franchise. To be the Batman was to truly be Batman - to no longer have to embody all those struggles of daily life, and to instead save the world, even if just in a video game. Thank you for that. It is truly wonderful to have heard somebody else share such a deep connection.
Damn, your personal story with the arkham franchise hit me hard. Amazing editing skills btw. I thought this game will be my breaking point to buy PS5. And then I saw the gameplay…
Bro, your part about growing up with Arkham hit me so hard in my heart, wtf. I, like a lot of other people, grew up with this franchise. I probably won't play Suicide Squad, but at least with the switch re-release of the Arkham Trilogy, I'm passing on that love of the franchise to my little brother. Excellent video as always, keep up the good work.
Wonderful video. When you began to describe what you experienced, as a child, getting the first Arkham game I started to cry. I have had moments like these too and it was so refreshing to see another soul experiencing this too. Thank you for sharing!
There’s nothing tragic about the game except how tragic it was that DC and Warner allowed it to happen. God awful dialogue/banter with the characters, disrespect of the DC property and characters (least of all the Arkham-verse), and what has to be one of the most disrespectful deaths in superhero history with Arkham Batman… And then they had the nerve to thank Kevin Conroy after for everything he had done. I stand by what I said and after seeing this game hovering at around 300 players right now… they would’ve been better off just shelving this game and calling it a tax break. It would’ve been far more respectful to everyone involved.
No offence, but you’re exactly the other end of the problem. Watch this videos first 5 minutes again. Nobody intends to make a bad game. Nobody can Disrespect fictional characters. Kevin probebalt wanted to play an evil Batman cause he’s an actor and actors like doing and portraying different things. Making art is incredibly hard and it’s a shame that this one turned out bad. But wishing it to be deleted into “tax breaks” just shows how much you’ve been brainwashed by angry online alt right spaces.
@@bruhmoment1761 You can't say "no offense bro" then a few lines later say I've been brain washed, most of all by "alt-right spaces". There's so much wrong with your reply after that, but in order for me to even begin taking any of it seriously, do me and everyone else a favor. Don't bring politics into the situation, especially for a failed game that began and ended its life as nothing more than a product.
Whoa you made the 'Joker is still alive video'... I remember watching the video with my best friend when were both 14 years old and theorising what happens next even before Arkham Origins was announced, let alone Knight. All these years later I stumbled upon your new channel's ever since 'Spider-Man PS4 is a Perfect SPIDER-MAN Movie'. Love the content you create, HiTop Films!
this game is not an Arkham game.. but THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM. When you tell a group of fans who have a passion for this game that it is part of the universe they want, but not the game they want then kill the characters they loved... what else did you expect? they should have NOT have hyped it as they did. They should have made this game after a few more arkham titles. you can't release an ending to a loved franchise with all of these possibilities of tories OR the open plot points they did.
17:33 lol her character was assassinated, we don't actually see her change, but are instantly greated by a Harley that can't be 40seg whiteout cracking a joke, thinks her selfmede uniform from AK is bad n sexualized, the Joker was "just a fase" but peoples are like "omg, i'm soo proud of her, that she was capable of moving on and becoming strong and independent" lmao
Every time i see or hear about this game I just think to myself…… Were rocksteady trying to piss us off? Were they actively trying to tarnish their reputation? Did the dev team just make a bet on how much they could fuck this up? Why? Just….why would they make this? And why did they make it the way they did?
A little take here, I’m pretty sure rebranding the game as Suicide Squad *V.S.* the Justice League and the concept and story changed to where say… the JL have the opportunity to prevail as the heroes they were once free of Brainiac’s mind control and fighting alongside the Squad. Because that this is the Arkhamverse, it would’ve cleared up a good deal of the backlash and unpopularity this game receives today while also giving Kevin a proper farewell. They did THAT well for sure.
My neck hurt from sitting at target playing that demo over and over for 2 hours. Ten year old me fully believes ill never have a game, a series, an experience, hell a part of my life like the arkham series
At First I was skeptical that the Justice League would be killed by the Suicide Squad but I thought WB mislead us and that they would Unbrainwashed later, but then when they Announced that this will be connected to the Arkham Series I was one of the few people who saw the Red Flags, then Kevin Conroy passed away and this would have been one of the Last Roles( with Crisis Part 3 seemingly being his Final Role), and don’t get me started on the multiple Delays for 3 Goddamn Years, the Shooting Mechanic, and the Live Server B$, I knew that this would be not just a Bad Game, but a Insult to DC and Arkham Fans that would have loved to see Rocksteady make either a Superman, Batman Beyond, or Justice League Game but now it’s clear that the Original People behind the Arkham Games have left and are given the Keys to New People that don’t understand what they’re doing that would lead this Once Great Company into Bankruptcy in the Most Distasteful and Distasteful Way Possible, Nobody in their Right Minds would want a Game that you killed off Some of your Favorite Heroes in Cold Blood, the Live Server Shooter Angle is a Terrible Game for a DC Game, the Only Good Character is King Shark, I like Deadshot but his Anger with Green Lantern is Doom, this is the Wrost Harley Quinn played by Tara Strong I didn’t like, Captain Boomerang is the Worst Character in the Game, Lex is more Enjoyable than Waller, the Graphics are a Major Downgrade to the Arkham Games especially when Knight was pure Perfection even if the Game is Overrated, the Side Characters are Boring, and is just Depressing and Not in a Good or Enjoyable Way when you Play or Watch, all I can Say is that MK1 and Spider-Man 2 are far better than this Abomination that I wish was Cancelled completely, Rocksteady, WB, Sweet Baby Inc., and DC should be ashamed making this Abomination.
Im gonna be honest, im not really invested in the DCEU nor the comics, nor the games. Heck i didnt even know this game existed until now, but the hitpo got a way with words which always makes me long for something, his descriptions are always so on point, so nostalgia creating that i can almost feel the moments he is referring to, feel the joy he feels when talking about this stuff. this is what really makes me come back to his channel
What trully makes me sad is that we all could be playing a perfect Superman or Justice League game right now...but we are not. I must be in a Scarecrow nightmare
The worst part about suicide squad to me was seeing the studio who created a combat system so incredibly influential it lead to some of my favourite games being made.Sleeping dogs., Spider-Man ps4., Shadow of war, mad max and so many other games
I mean, I saw this coming miles away. The rocksteady that made Asylum and city is not the same as this one. Heck, you’re talking about repetitive gameplay in suicide squad as if 60% of Arkham Knight wasn’t tank drone battles. Knight looked beautiful and had some cool mechanics, but the gameplay was repetitive and the story was easily the worst of the 4 Arkham games. Like, wow… the Arkham knight is Jason Todd-who coulda seen that coming besides everyone who has ever heard of the character Jason Todd. Rocksteady started phoning it in back in 2015, it’s just that now they finally gave in to complete apathy.
The fact this game got anywhere past the pitch stage is mind-blowing. Why would they think we would like to kill the JL as suicide squad??? Instead of making a multiplayer game where you and the homies can play AS the JL. Absolutely braindead execs at WB.
You know I could forgive a lot of what makes the game so bad if the characters would just shut the fuck up once in a while. Every 4 seconds there's chit chat and dialogue that makes me feel like I'm playing the Simpsons Hit and Run featuring Cicero from the Elder Scrolls series.
This video was very well done and perfectly articulates the logical reasons for the games failure as well as the more ambiguous emotional reasons why the game failed. And quite honestly the way that you were able to clearly state the significance of the emotional connection to these characters is probably the best I've seen someone explain why we are all so upset. Fantastic job!
Really getting tired of Harley Quinn being an anti-hero without suffering the consequences of her actions for the Joker. Its even more disgusting that this game tried to make it as if hse has the moral high ground over Batman
If there was a true sequel to the arkhamverse. It would a game called Red hood: Arkham vengeance. It would be about Jason Todd trying Aton for his sins during his time as the Arkham knight and trying to get revenge on Harley Quinn for torturing him. He would put her goons and have boss fight with Harley where he beats the living shit out her and it would be set in the building where she torture him and when building suddenly the whole place explodes and final scene where red hood has harley on her knees ready to shoot her in the head but instead he doesn’t kill her only calling her out on her actions and leaves her to die. And then he pays his respects to Bruce and apologized for falsely wanting to kill to him and breaking his rule and pleads to Bruce to forgive him and tells Bruce to rest in peace. So it might not be perfect and I might have some things wrong but it would be better than what we actually got.
Well put, well done! Also very balanced and reasonable take. I'm not even as much as an Arkham fan as yourself, but my dissapointment did cloud me a bit when SS:KtJL dropped. The missed potential of what they could have done in 9 years does still hurt a bit. Like you said, a Superman game, Flash and would have loved myself: Arlham Beyond: Son of the Bat