The Tragedy of Persona 3

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The Tragedy of Persona 3
With Reload coming, I think its a good time to talk about Atlus having a habit of changing their games endings. And there is tons of evidence! So spoilers for all these Atlus games, but its worth taking a look at. Thank you all so much for watching! Consider subscribing because I have a lot more coming. Also, this thing was a pain to write and edit. Mostly because there is so much information in these games.

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@maddermanner7776 Год назад

This is a shockingly high quality video from such a small channel - good job, man, keep on keeping on.

@duskkoala Год назад

Thank you so much! Even though it’s short, this one was a tough one for me to make

@thatoneguy5347 7 месяцев назад

I feel like the answers is where so many people got the “he has to die or else it will ruin the themes!” idea, and I kind of see a flaw in that logic. The themes aren’t about embracing death, it’s about seeing the beauty of life through death. Nyx was the one telling SEES to embrace death, while SEES was fighting for their future, for life. Makoto didn’t die for the message of embracing death, he did it because he valued life

@duskkoala 7 месяцев назад

But Atlus also kept teasing that Elizabeth is going to bring him back. The idea has been there since P4. It’s time Altus

@EyeofKoruption 5 месяцев назад

Makoto deserved better…

@thatoneguy5347 5 месяцев назад

@@EyeofKoruption amen brother

@trewhite9578 26 дней назад

I really hope they find a way to bring him back into existence, it’s really sad that he couldn’t get to live out the rest of his life with his friends as third years 😢.

@DarthPingu07 23 дня назад

Aigis deserves to save him with Elizabeth. He deserves to be saved. They both deserve to live in the literal sense and the psychological sense.

@Bagelboy4 Год назад

My biggest hope for persona 3 reload is an arc dedicated to Elizabeth's attempts at saving makoto and freeing him from being the seal

@duskkoala Год назад

I think when the game was originally written they didn’t expect it to still be relevant 18 years later. I’ll make an update video hopefully with a new true ending!

@sanjixalv6956 Год назад

No. That absolutely ruins the entire message of the game.

@Bagelboy4 Год назад

@@sanjixalv6956 we already know that Elizabeth is on a journey to save makoto, so I don't see a problem with them having doing that

@arthur_roberto8 Год назад

@@Bagelboy4She doesn't want to "save" him, she wants to free Makoto's soul from the seal Just so he can finally rest in peace, reviving him would be against the main Memento Mori thing Persona 3 is about

@sanjixalv6956 Год назад

@@Bagelboy4 Literally Aigis and already had it

@LizardKingRequiem Год назад

Alot of people loudly claim that Makoto being saved in any way would ruin P3 and ive always hated that logic. Because p3 wasnt just saying “death is inevitable, and you will die too” it was “death comes for us all, so we must appreciate the beauty of life and those around us” Makoto sacrificing himself wasnt just “he had to die eventually, so this is his acceptance of that” it was also “makoto has learned to appreciate the world he lives in, and in order to protect it and his new found family, he happily gives up his life to preserve them.” AND his journey affected Elizabeth, completely changing her existence and showing HER the beauty of life and humanity, so for her to eventually come back and free him from the seal would make it a beautiful full circle theme. EVEN if she frees him and he just dies anyways, and EVEN if she takes his place (what i think would happen). it would still align with the themes of P3 AND also giving it a hopeful spin which i personally think is very valuable in times where the world actually feels like it’s dying in front of our eyes. (Sidenote, major disagree about femc’s absence being fine, its really just an excuse on atlus’s part to not have her in the remake, considering its already been built from the ground up.)

@duskkoala Год назад

Yes! Also I didn’t think about the possibility of losing Elizabeth. But I’m hoping they made the decision to change the ending like all their other games. And for the fem mc, that’s ok to be attached to her. My experience with p3p was different. As I was disappointed I couldn’t run around with my hands in my pockets and play the equivalent to fes on my psp.

@xthekeymakerx1594 Год назад

You know a lot of people like to boil P3s motife down to "life and death" but I don't. I look to the social links to find the common denominator among all them. So to me, since not all the social links contain death, what I see is something like "having the strength to accept that which you cannot change while having the courage to keep moving forward" or simply "perseverance"

@cybelleeee1467 Год назад

yeah i agree, he finally finds the meaning to life and helps people with so many of their problems. I feel like after understanding that life is worth living, he should at least get to be happy :((

@gregomyeggo4639 Год назад

I doubt they’ll make a new “true ending”, based on interviews it sounds more like they’re going for a faithful remake of the og persona 3

@duskkoala Год назад

I’m still hoping for a new ending. But that’s me wanting Makoto to live after grinding through Tatarus

@mfsalatino Год назад

@@duskkoala and married with pink argus

@TheMightyMRP Год назад

Elizabeth's VA is the same as og P3 Elizabeth. Many theorize she's the same Elizabeth and traveled back in time or to another universe to save Makoto. Lets hope she succeeds! 😁 And yeah Aigis is best girl! I subbed!

@duskkoala Год назад

Hey thanks for watching! I have a follow up coming that I just need to film. I never heard of that theory. Do you know if the Japanese VA is also the same?

@TheMightyMRP Год назад

@@duskkoala hey! I'm not sure, I think she is. I think all the Japanese VAs are the same. But I could be wrong.

@conanian24 7 месяцев назад

All the Japanese VA main cast except Igor are same

@jordym6953 5 месяцев назад

He has too many parallels to Jesus i wouldn't be surprised if he comes back for a big EVENT

@duskkoala 5 месяцев назад

I’m hoping he does. It’s been teased since 2008!

@Lord_Helix 4 месяца назад

He'll come back after 3 games trust. Persona 7 is gonna be our year.

@holy9781 Год назад

I think they will expand the ending.everything after 3 tells the mc is alive but he has to hild the gates closed.maybe instead of the answer,we could get something that shows us trying to free him

@duskkoala Год назад

P5R has the extra semester right? It could probably be something like like. Either way I’m all for new content!

@Thommy141 6 месяцев назад

P3 Reload has not changed anything but made it even more sadder

@duskkoala 6 месяцев назад

I had been avoiding watching the ending. Still playing it. I’m shocked that they’re remaking the answer. Mostly interested if they’ll have that disintegration scene 💀

@DarthPingu07 23 дня назад

There is still hope that the answer changes his fate. Im usually against it but Makoto has earned a second chance at life.

@wakiyaXD Год назад

since the reply we were given a chance to get it back but unfortunately no one from SEES can do anything about it

@wakiyaXD Год назад

good video by the way

@duskkoala Год назад

Thanks so much! Anime/game videos take so long to make but they’re worth it😊

@Raiko_Star Год назад

I been waiting for this!! But seriously persona 3 is amazing

@duskkoala Год назад

This made me laugh so much! My coworker keeps quoting Akihiko and you beat him to it 😄

@RSJiyutoAnzen 2 месяца назад

Very fun to watch, and you have a cool voice too. Nice work!

@duskkoala 2 месяца назад

Hey thanks! Very hard video to write because of the whole Nyx storyline. (இ﹏இ`｡)

@abel8831 3 месяца назад

Persona 3 broke me and then rebuilt me by making me realize the fragility and most important things in life. It will always have a special place in my heart

@duskkoala 3 месяца назад

Which one did you play? Was it p3, fes, p3p, or reload? I didn’t play the original, but started with FES

@abel8831 3 месяца назад

@@duskkoala All minus vanilla. My favorite was undoubtedly FES. It’s the truest vision of the game in my opinion

@jamjam445 Месяц назад

Idk how to explain it, but I've never felt this... sad? empty? after the ending of a game.. or any media for that matter. I think it's because it didn't sink in that he was dying until he was laying in her lap and the text read that his eyes were heavy. It was so sudden. And then the implications of it started to kick in. And the music and composition of the scene were just so perfect. I feel like I really lost someone.

@duskkoala Месяц назад

Thanks for watching! There’s an anime that leaves you with the same feeling too called Toradora. I think part of it is losing that core group of friends. And then it’s all gone. The social links really do their job in p3

@jamjam445 Месяц назад

@@duskkoala thanks, I'll avoid that anime! Lol jk jk any media that can make you feel this strongly is worth consuming

@shaunfrost720 Год назад

Every body in the comments do be forgetting p4au Elizabeth route. No they can't bring him back to life here, in a later sequel post p4au/p5 maybe.

@duskkoala Год назад

I think they’re going to omit p3 fes, p3p, and the p4au with this new release. I’m curious to know if they’re going to change they year it takes place too

@shaunfrost720 Год назад

@@duskkoala they can't omit p4au because some of it's elements are referenced in p5r/pq2/p4d Omitting it would result in a mess for p4 timeline and future installments for p4/few p3 casts. especially the two spinoff chars that has pasts which are highly tied to p3. The only way to write a rescue arc is to add a massive timeskip post p5r/p5s, which is massively a big work and needs to be its own game at that point. So yeah, grounded writing isn't easy😅 (Also im with you with ignoring p4au because i don't like it but it's very highly unlikely).

@duskkoala Год назад

@@shaunfrost720 The dancing games also prove that Atlus is willing to disregard their own timelines.

@shaunfrost720 Год назад

@@duskkoala p3d is vague but it generally occured sometime in January, which is no problem because p3 January is practically empty aside from few interactions at the first week and last. Inconsequential. This is a result of aigis SL being dedicated to this month because of her arc and ultimate persona resulting in her developing a fully fledged ego. p5d on the other hand can get away with, but that was the result of being in production the same time as pq2/p5r. p4d occurred a month after p4g golden epilogue. Hate to be an 🤓 but i don't don't see how the dancing games give leeway to sudden curve balls in their writing p3?

@Randola1pep Год назад

Holy, your videos have an amazing quality, keep up the good work👍🏻

@duskkoala Год назад

Thanks so much for watching! I did my best to push myself and not to cut any corners with this one 😊

@Ninja07Keaton 6 месяцев назад

The P3 protagonist. Greek Tragedy really does cut like 100 blades, doesn't it? Such a cruel fate in the Answer, the P3 protagonist is paying for his "Innocent sin" with an "Eternal Punishment" as another once said.

@duskkoala 6 месяцев назад

It’s one of those games where you spend so much time with the character only for you to not survive. ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽ I just finished Jisatsu and feel more annoyed at the ending

@Ninja07Keaton 6 месяцев назад

@@duskkoalaThey subtly elude to his fate at the very start of the game. Greek Tragedy often inform the audience of the conclusion early on. The audience is humbly asked to see the journey of how the protagonist will bring about his own downfall in an ironic manner. We relate to, even sympathize with the protagonist. But we know from the start that the protagonist truly is his own worst enemy. P3's theming was Greek mythology for that very reason. But as you said in this video, Elizabeth might have the means to save him from suffering for all eternity. P3 was the game that saved Atlus from bankruptcy, and the reward for it's protagonist is a fate worse than death. I'd like to see the P3 protagonist be saved, or at the very least, put to rest.

@duskkoala 6 месяцев назад

@@Ninja07Keaton I didn't even think of the Greek themes!

@nicholasnajibi3082 4 дня назад

Game was meh. 120 hours I won’t get back. Was hoping for much much more. It was very “basic bitch” JRPG

@duskkoala 4 дня назад

You didn’t like it? What do you think is a better story jrpg?

@gabekyun Год назад

i wish that the remake changes the ending that we can save makoto....

@duskkoala Год назад

I’m pretty positive about Altus going this route. If they can saved Akechi😦

@djamil_ssb 4 месяца назад

Very good video man

@duskkoala 4 месяца назад

Hey thanks! My brain felt fried after researching the Nxy timeline of events

@jcstevens6283 4 месяца назад

Imagine making a clickbait spoiler for ur thumbnail cmon man

@duskkoala 4 месяца назад

But the game came out in 2005. I think enough time has passed

@ssjtruncks90 6 месяцев назад

I don't think we'll be able to save the Persona 3 MC but it wouldn't surprise me if in a later game he can be summoned as a persona himself. Like Elizabeth took a small bit of the seal and crafted it into that persona.

@duskkoala 6 месяцев назад

I had it spoiled for me. But maybe they’ll change the answer? After they denied they were going to remake it. I also really liked the fan art that people made of Makoto as a velvet room attendant.

@ssjtruncks90 6 месяцев назад

@@duskkoalaI kind of had a what if moment of maybe Theodor is Makoto as that attendant and Marie from Persona 4 Golden is the FeMC. Definitely a head cannon explanation but I think I could except that.