Can't deny that Alireza had fall, atleat he fs had a slow down in his rating gain. Im a Firouzja Supporter and I still admit he felll of since there was news about him getting interested in fasion. Before it was a real question if he could dethron magnus and stuff but now it just seems like rubish.
Exactly. This is basically what happened to Hou Yifan, who despite rarely playing, is 100 Elo points higher than the next highest rated woman player. I believe it when people often claim that she could have been the greatest woman player ever (overtaking Judit Polgar) if she only didcated herself full time to chess, because her natural talents are clearly a class apart from her peers. Alas, she wants to do other things. And so it seems with Alireza Firouzja that he can't focus completely on chess, and wants a side career in fashion design. Well, that's his life and his call.
The reason for his poor performance in elite chess is because he's a tactical genius which can spot any sort of tactic very quick, which makes him thriving in short time format (Rapid, Blitz, Bullet) but struggle in classical where preparation is a strong suit and it's simply not his strength.
I mean he just doesn't prepare as hard nowadays, he's very capable of playing classical at a high level, let's not forget he was 2800 elo two years ago
I also believe that candidates are really different from normal classical games because everyone wants to strike their wins for their country and themselves as a world champion. It's like Aussies not performing well in normal matches or IPL and then going on to win the World Cup. Like Ian Nepomniachtchi, he wasn't performing that well but he was undefeated in candidates, and he always is on top in candidates because they do a crazy prep for candidates with lots of engine lines that they don't play normally, so that it is also hidden, and the opponents don't expect them to play those moves, which will make their preparation more beneficial.
He is fantastic, I'd say some turbulence has been mismanaged by his team, that game VS Magnus eg. Also now with his father during that candidates. FIDE is to blame, still the management was wrong with aggression from his father, threatening with the police. Magnus father would never draw that card. Focus has to be chess. I hope he comes back with a vengeance, he has the potential to be one of the greatest ever.
@@rara4 1 match with hikaru and a win against magnus doesn't mean he didn't have a fall. I think he needed some time to get back into the chess world. But now since he had this long break other youngsters became favorites.
@@ChessNuke Probably hitting the age of 20 and wanting to enjoy his youth. Nothing wrong with that, happens to a lot of chess players. He will have a nice and long career with more maturity
I mean, i have seen many juniors but never seen such focus and discipline like Gukesh has, he is so nice, humble, calm, collected, focused absolutely no nonsense kind.
Correct. AliReza defeated Magnus Carlton again. Also AliReza still holds the world record of being the youngest Super GM reaching 2,800+ FIDE rating . Only an Iranian can achieve that. Iranians invented the game of chess 13:27 13:27 NOTE : The presenter is gay. Hence, lots of negative comments from a total loser was expected.
I’m done with this Prima Donna over the shoe incident and threathen using police thereafter. I don’t appreciate childish behaviour. Just look at Gukesh and Pragg. They are equally young but acted so maturely
Gukesh also had a hard time last year in asian games (resigning in a drawn position against parham, which made Iran won the gold medal) and grand swiss and almost lost 40 ratings. These ups and downs happen for almost all players.
True but Alireza was 2800, Magnus picked him as his successor, there was soo much hype and he was supposed to be the next GOAT. There were different expectations for him and Gukesh
@@ChessNukeAlso that hype put much pressure on him, that for a youngster such as Alireza was too much to handle. I think if Magnus didn’t say that he only defends his title against him, Alireza would perform better in 2022 candidate. In this candidate clearly he suffered from not having a good team around him. However, in his recent instagram post he showed his motivation to come back.
I clicked past the intro to 2:41, and as soon as I did, I noticed the subscribe button have a rainbow around it......... wtf I've never seen that berfore.
@@ChessNuke it’s a game where Magnus won because of the possibility of promoting a pawn to a knight after a time-out. Magnus swears in Norwegian in between.
He literally rose from 0 elo to 2800 and then fell from world number 2 to World number 16. Preformed terribly in his 2nd candidates in a row. You call that what you want
@@upvotecomment2110 he'll be playing in other events as well, where some of the other candidates spot competitors will have something special prepared for ali
@@ChessNuke Everyone rises from 0 elo in chess world and everyone has ups and downs. Plenty of players have hd a fall worse than this and rose back. I think the title for this video is very click-baity and kind of misleading too. Why the rise and fall is tragic for example, if it is a normal part of chess world. The rise and fall title itself implies a beginning, a rise, and then a downfall which is the final end (with no hope of coming back). Clearly this is not the case here.
It's a good topic about a prodigy with 2800 elo at the age of 20 and his rise and fall i didn't see any type of content like this related to chess (rise and fall) keep it up it is really good content
The US Chess Federation could have done something to help So, as was being rumored or talked about because of what Alireza did. But SO wouldn't have participated in an event that was clearly something to emulate what Alireza did.
@@ChessNukeIndian chess players have a great support system that helps them handle the stress. Alireza will bounce back if he considers his chess seriously next year. If he does not want to play, then it’s his decision that we have to respect.
A lot of people were saying that its "Karma" (Mainly Filipino's) because he farmed rating near the end of 2023 to Surprass Wesley So so that Instead of Wesley he would qualify
Some GMs were also critical as well as others (GothamChess) were ciritical of the tactic by Ali. The fact that the event was named "Race to the Candidates" didn't hide the intent behind the tournament -- to help Alireza. It was so blatant. Alireza could have skipped some events when his ratings were falling, but he played on and on and lost and lost so it was all his fault. In Fact, not only Alireza was involved in the final seat -- Dominguez (Former Cuban No.1 now representing the US) also competed in an event as he was just a few points behind So for the last seat but it was a disaster for him and he didn't even finish the tournament.
What about the paper champion who never qualified for the candidates but farmed his rating in China after a certain Russian lost his place. The same Champion that failed to qualify for the final by finishing second in the candidates?
@@nononsensegames He didn't farm his rating, he was leading the ratings qualifications. What he lacked was enough games to qualify.. He didn't have enough games to qualify for the candidates, so he farmed enough games, not ratings, to qualify.
The real question is will he pick himself up or quit chess coz it is clearly hurting him mentaly. I think he is the type of person who wants to enjoy his life, not give up everything for chess. And he probably likes a complexity of chess in short formats just like magnus right now. Coz classical kills your life. He is playing classical like he plays others formats. Trying his talent to win but its not enough in candidates. I think all he needs is a catalyst, a win in a big tournament to bounce back. Otherwise he will end up quiting classical
As with a lot of other people on this thread, the phrase "this video has aged well" immediately springs to mind, since Alirezja sensationally beat Magnus in the final of a tournament just a couple of weeks after it was posted.
ridiculous how y’all jump to conclusions like this. youngest ever to reach 2800, only 20 years old. give the man a break smh. what were y’all doing at 20? lmao. if he’s going through a bad period, let it be. part of life, he’s so young
I was thinking about this during the Candidates. He was better three years ago. His play was so exciting that Magnus would have defended his world championship had Alireza won the candidates. But this past candidates, he was a total afterthought.
Taking part in two extremely small tournaments just to gain a few points and outrageously steal Wesley So's spot at the Candidates is actually WILD... And I LOVE IT!
Ali is the chess version of the competitor who is always considered the future, until we realize that actually he isn’t that young anymore, and he never he lived up to the hype. It’s sad to see. The recent Candidates exposed how toxic his father is, and that toxicity may his undoing. Ali needs a healthy environment and mindset to further develop and achieve his potential.
Lesson learned kid, Inflating Elo isn't good once at the top Wesley So should been the one playing at the Candidate spot, it could have been WAAAYYY more entertaining and competitive.
Ian (Nepo) was also critical of what Alireza was trying to do and Nepo was consistent with his criticism of this tactic that Ding also employed in the COVID years when DING needed a certain number of games (he was way ahead in the rating lists) to qualify for candidates at that time. So the Chinese Chess Federation arranged games for DING to participate in just to get the necessary number of games to qualify. Ian already sounded the problem with "last minute" attempts to qualify back then, and it took the "Farming" technique of ALireza for FIDE to change the rules for future candidates qualifying.
since this year's candidates me and my friends call him BLUNDIREZA firouzja ( he's obviously super strong but he stole the place to Wesley So and yet he never won a game in that tournament )
He is still the biggest talent among all these youngsters. He simply doesnt have a good team and i think he will improve that situation in couple of years. Such things can happen. If he wins just one tournament and 20 Elo points then this video makes no sense
His poor performance at the candidates is karma for how he got into the candidates. He held a private tournament and played against people that were literally lower rated than I am.
i think because of fashion industry he is not getting enough time to study chess like other top gms the downfall was going to happen and it happened pretty early
he was the chosen one to take magnus's throne. He's talented enough to remain a top 10/15 player as is, but if he wants to truly become chess world champion he has to dedicate his life to chess. Esp with the recent talent blooming from india its going to be even harder.
I don't think this is aging well at all. While Alireza have had a poor 2023, it was short sighted to say that he had fallen off. If you looked at his results closely you would have noticed that he tried to play enterprising chess without much work and that backfired more often than not. I mean, who else would always go for the win regardless when they know that they are not in form. That is what he did and it did not work out for him. People read more into it.
Yes players have dips all the time, the strange thing is that almost none of them have a dip at such a young age, but also Alireza just looks less interested in chess (which I think is perfectly fine)
He's 20 and the youngest ever to cross 2800. What's more important is that he found a true passion in fashion (bars), and he has the talent to fund this endeavor. He is very lucky to be able to follow his true passion instead of being forced into a life of only chess
He should take inspiration from Gukesh and Pragg. Instead he is tried out shortcuts by cooking up tournaments to qualify for the candidates. What he has been doing can drag entire game of chess into another round of nasty controversy. I am personally relieved that he finished nearly at the bottom. Wesley So and Nodirbek Abdussattarov would have been better than Alireza and Abasov in the candidates tournament.
I don't know why you included Abasov in this. Abasov had a strong showing at the World Cup and finished in a surprise fourth place, only losing to Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana (who most people would lose to). It was Magnus Carlsen's decision to not participate in the Candidates Tournament that sent Abasov through. There was no controversy how Abasov got through. Abasov did it fair and square.
He's still only 20, #6 in the world, qualified for the candidates twice in a row and already broke 2800. Is there a real chance he'll never become WC? Yes but you can literally say that about everyone on earth except Magnus and Ding over the past 10 years.
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carlsen has in some destroyed ferouza by that one statement that he would be champions if firouza wins candidates. He went on a complete trip of high expectations since then and los tcompletet control. Not sure if carlsen played a mind game there
At age 35 Alireza is washed up and his career is over. Ooops. He’s only 20. He’s too young to buy an adult beverage in America! With the right coaching, less interference from his father, and steadier nerves, he could very well rise to the very top of the chess world. He clearly is a genius. Let’s give him another 5 to 10 years!
All this would be true, but I just don't see him as interested in chess as the young Indian juniors, which is completely fine maybe he doesn't see himself as a chess player in 10 years
@@ChessNuke People mature at different ages. Gukesh carries himself as a far older man. If you didn’t know anything about him, you’d say he was 27. The Indians - to their credit - are remarkably mature and incredibly hard working. Our boy Alireza at 20 isn’t as mature as Gukesh at 17. The next 3-5 years will tell us a lot about Guccireza!
just recently got back into chess. I was wondering myself why Alireza was underperforming in the candidates, compared to when I last saw him in 2023. This video helped a lot.
I don't think one can call the bad performance in candidate tournaments his "Fall", he's just 20 years old, if he now decides to put exceedingly more time into chess he has a ton of time to achieve far greater things than he has thus far...
BECAUSE he did not prepare enough in candidates. i know he has the quality to atleast being on the top 4 in candidates. but the preparations are a vital point in candidates.
Alireza didn't look prepared at the Candidates. Although i felt like Hikaru wasn't even Prepared either. I don't know what Happens behind the Scenes with his Family, but i hope that he wasn't Pressured into Playing Chess.
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